Topic: The war on drugs is failing – decriminalisation is the only way forward (Read 914 times)

I can only speak for myself and I think you need to go study emoticons.

No I lack self control and constantly need to address it want to help?
We are government or have you lost all faith?
To answer the rest...Wrong but I like the spirit and will only cut off one pinkie when we figure out which one of us is flying over to do it.

Exactly to disqualify political opponents... They are at least a thousand scams to build with prohibitions... All around money, power, access and threats... On a victimless activity.

bez there is no strong will to fight drugs and its a bread and butter for our politicians as well.

Sorry to ask but are you two half wits? Do you have no self control? do you need the government to hold your hand to stop you from taking things that could become addictive or damage your health? Can you actually tell me what a drug is and why it should be illegal? Im guessing you take the same stance against alcohol which is a drug and causes more harm than all other drugs combined, am i right?

Finally the one argument: for the children.

Rememeber children have responsible adults who should care for them. But do you think that criminal repression, meaning the power of the state against addiction will protect the children? The USA has tried... And in a big way and was unable to breach a simple equation: the riskier the psychoactive trade is the more profit it generates. The illegaler this trade is the closer to others illegal trade it will be handled. For human merchants for example, inert substances are so easy to handle in comparison...

But to comeback to your point don't you think education is better than repression. Let's say a child fall in the path of addiction, do you sincerely believe that putting him or her in a jail will make him later on a productive member of the society? Remember there was no victim !!!! No one was hurt but the child. So why should the child be punished?

The other aspect is Liberty. So what are you gonna ban for the children? Video games? Sugar? Too big sodas? What is the limit and who decides? This a combat between the cultural Marxists (or at least the statists) and the free humanity. Why shall you impose your standard on the children of others? Next is no pork for everyone? This is the slippery slope.

I hope you will one day be able to understand... But frankly I don't except much Gahs... But personally I think it's easier to fight you.And by this using the power of the state against you for infringing on the liberty of another individual. Without regrets and 0 remorse, your death is the liberty of millions. Sorry it's life.

Oh sorry man its to late,can we maybe fix the next generation after that one?
I am with you kill all of the drug addicts.

We can not stop fighting against drug use for the sake of the next generation.

This is not that surprising or sad. What saddens me the most is a soon as kid is a little bit healthy (energetic) he goes to the school counselor and get on a mix of ssri and others mind altering substances that will have other side effects and the mothers will cheers... Themselves being on antidepressants...

The war on drugs has made many many people rich--some of whom work for the government agencies so i think the only way is Legalize drugs and take tax from it after the price so expensive the people use it will stop.

I was watching sun sex and suspicious parents the other day and the parents were quite happy watching their children (over 18 obviously) getting absolutely mortaled  on all sorts of concoctions of drink but as soon as they saw them taking a few balloons of nitrous oxide (laughing gas) they were mortified. this pretty much sums up the public in general.

Like I said drugs in all!

Remove birth control pills from the water (and other chemicals) and we may talk until then... Crazy

Cut off his hands!

Drugs in all or no drugs for any one,fair? Good.

of course kryptqnick, another aspect is too understand the history of prohibition. It's only very recently that a group of people decided to "protect" you and decided what was good for your "health". The funniest is to listen album or read from brainwashed people on this subject... Tragic how conditioning works on otherwise functioning humans...

Decriminalisation seems the best solution to me, because I think adults shouldn't be forbidden to do something to their own health. As far as a person is not making crimes, this person can take whatever he/she wants

The war on drugs failed many years ag.  I  agree that decriminalisation is the way forward.  As  it stands many people fear the police when they shouldn't have to  only because they have the power to stop and search you for drugs.   Why not concentrate on proper crimes instead of victimless crime. 

How not to agree with you. However my point is that it's not a crime to spoil ones life what ever the reasons... Some people get so fat they die from eating... the second point is that by deregulation of the black market (legalization) information can become way more available, and from information education is easier. Rather than say it's illegal, showing the damages done (like overeating) are way more ethical and defensible. And the 3rd point is that normal market pricing make the products way more accessible, not in the sense of addict getting more but in removing the so called risk/fun/exclusive premium. and 4th all the resources wasted on fighting, resulting in the professionalism of the bald market traders can be used to more beneficial activities for a society...

The war on addictive substances is a total waste of resources... But I am not sure that an average voter and or autocrat has intellectual abiity to understand it.

The main problem is the multimedia where movies, television serials and music videos shows that drugs means coolness which are implied by young minds and are spoiling their whole life with it.

Then you add states with 3 strikes rules and how easy it is to frame someone and you have a great cocktail for injustice and later total chaos...

At the end this story is simple... Some people want to rule your life and threat you worst than a cat (a cat can always free itself and walk on the wild side). Some people surrender to servitude and love to have their lives rules by others. Some people don't.

Personally I think this issue can only be resolved through war. And I mean it on total scale. There is a fundamental impossibility in discussing with someone who want to jail another human beings because of consuming a plant, meaning doing a victimless activity.

Badecker is right. There is no victim but the plant. However in his road case the road being public asset, using them impose the respect of a code of conduct. However it makes every human a prisoner in his own home or a vagabond in a nomansland.

yes it is  a fact but what the reason is behind this fact. i think there are some countries who are promoting drug trafficking because they have a decent income from the drug supply that is why are in struggle to promote drugging. and 2nd reason is that increasing population of the world and unemployment is  also a big reason of the failing of the war against the drug. i think it is becoming a bit issue of the world. our younger are invoking in drugs in a large numbers which is creating threats to the peace of the world.

If we are want to fighting the war on drugs concentrate on those who use drugs for pleasure instead of those/us or who use drugs.

This will not work. Insane rhetoric might have helped him to win the elections, but he is not going to be very successful, if he tries to implement his "war on drugs" to practise. As long as the demand is there, there will be a supply of drugs. No amount of punishment is going to deter the drug users. The only sane solution is legalization and regulation.

Alcohol is legalized. When you distil your own stiff alcohol, if you do it in large quantities, you can get a license for it. The regs say that you have to take all kinds of government certified precautionary measures to do it.

As it is, you can grow your own marijuana if you do it in a fashion that is protected, so that no outsider can access it. This means doing it on your own property, inside your own residence, just like for your own personal alcohol you distil.

The difference is that you can sell or otherwise distribute your legalized alcohol off your property. Not so with your marijuana. Your marijuana is not even transportable.

This doesn't mean that you will not be persecuted and prosecuted if it becomes known to law enforcement that you are growing pot at home. It only means that you can beat it if you use the most important point in all court law.

What is this most important point? If you are ever taken to court by government for anything and everything you are taken to court for, you must demand that the injured person appear, take the stand, "show" his injury, and prove it was you that did the injury. And it has to be a REAL injury. This is of top importance for you to do if you want to win.

If nobody appears and takes the stand with first-hand knowledge of the injury to someone, or if he can't prove it was you who did the injury, you win. The courts don't want you to win, but stick to your guns and require that a real injury be shown, and that someone with first-hand knowledge (saw it happen) appear and testify. They place themselves in jeopardy if they don't free you when they can't find an injured person to take the stand. (This goes for every traffic ticket, as well.) ("Injury" includes damage to property.)

Just because you win in court like this, doesn't mean that they will automatically get your pot returned to you, or that they will pay your court expenses. You may have to fight for these. But your win will make it easier.

All the attorneys understand this stuff. But many (most?) of them will not even tell you about it, but will let you be fined or go to prison rather than help you beat the government. Keep your head screwed on and force your attorney to require a damaged party with real damage. If he won't do it, fire him and find another. If you can't find one, you are better off standing in court alone and simply demanding this on your own.

This is what Karl Lentz is all about - http://www.broadmind.org/.

That I understand, since the man made chemical based drugs are way worst then marijuana.

As for war on drugs alone though, its impossible if there is always users - buyers/sellers and if theres "profit" then it will always be there ready to be sold.

The most that president can do is lessen as much as possible, but thats about it.

Have you heard how the new president of the Philippines are going all out against war. Well atleast not marijuana that is what i heard. But yea, all out war against chemical drugs going wild on killing even just primary suspects of drug affiliations.

The war on drugs is a great success. It was designed to make war on Americans. Even non-drug users are afraid, because any moment SWAT might come crashing in on false or accidental information.

Close to Nazi Germany because of the war on drugs, and that is what the government leaders want... Nazi Germany in America... and they almost have it.

The war on drugs is failing – decriminalisation is the only way forward

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/23/war-on-drugs-failing-decriminalisation-prohibition

<< It is generally accepted that the international "war on drugs" has had devastating and far-reaching consequences. These include public health crises, mass incarceration, corruption, and black market–fuelled violence. Even the United Nations Office on Drug Control (UNODC), responsible for monitoring and managing the international drug control conventions, acknowledges failure resulting from the creation of "a criminal black market of staggering proportions" that is a fundamental threat to global security.

On Sunday, the UN will promote the International Day against Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking, otherwise known as the International Anti-Drugs Day. Each year, the 26 June becomes an expression of global solidarity and determination to combat and eradicate drug abuse, and champion the "war on drugs". This year's theme is benignly titled Listen First, and attempts to encourage listening to children and youth in order to prevent drug use and protect their health and safety. It is a particularly apt theme, given the news this week of the three 12-year-old girls who were taken to hospital in Salford after having taken ecstasy pills marketed as "teddy" pills.

This recent incident highlights the flaws in prohibitionist drug policies, enshrined in the UN conventions. It is an example of how criminalising drug use can cause more harm than good. Drugs sold on the black market have no age restrictions, no labelling, no instructions for use, and for the most part you can't be sure what you are buying. Many of the health risks associated with drug use result from the fact that drug production and drug use is unregulated and controlled by black market forces. People take too much, don’t get help quickly enough, take adulterated substances, and are poorly educated on the substances they are taking. Additionally, new psychoactive substances ("legal highs") pose problems because health agencies have no idea what is in them, or how to deal with them when something goes wrong. >>