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Topic: "The Welcome Bonus Gimmick" - STOP GETTING BLINDLY ROBBED (Read 507 times)

legendary
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a casino can not just give money away. and the deposit bonus is exactly that. they are giving money away and when you do that, there will be a lot of people who will rush to abuse this free giveaway and bankrupt the casino. so you need to set some rules to prevent people just making a deposit, playing a game or two and going away with their money and reward for good as much as you can.

Yes, or without playing any game. Bonuses have wagering requirements so when you free x amount of bonus it's because you have paid y amount of commissions, being y usually x multiplied n times. The thing is, when you don't have a bonus, you just pay commissions and don't get anything back.

that is somewhat my point though.
we are talking about a Casino. and that is a business made to make money not to give money to the users. people go to gambling sites, the casinos, ... to "spend" money even if they think they go there to earn money. and in the end even if you win the jackpot you have been losing a lot of times which will negate that one win in total. either due to commissions or sheer total of losses.
that is why they make you make more and more bets because they always have the 'edge"...

Yes, may be you lose a lot from those bets before you hit the jackpot but people tend to hit jackpot and win big money instead of slowly get the profit. I do not know how are they thinking but this is the true thing. Jackpot sure is really huge but they wont let you hit until you spend more money, unless you are very lucky to hit the jackpot within no time. But this kind of players never show up a lot on casino, this is what I believe
hero member
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The welcome balance is like a gamblers fallacy trick. You see it really does increase your winnings amount vastly. The problem is it reduced your chances if winning by much more so in the be you rduce your chances if profiting. If 10000 gamble with the welcome balance and the same amount without it I bet all my Bitcoin the ones that didn't use the welcome bonus will leave with more then those who did.
legendary
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a casino can not just give money away. and the deposit bonus is exactly that. they are giving money away and when you do that, there will be a lot of people who will rush to abuse this free giveaway and bankrupt the casino. so you need to set some rules to prevent people just making a deposit, playing a game or two and going away with their money and reward for good as much as you can.

Yes, or without playing any game. Bonuses have wagering requirements so when you free x amount of bonus it's because you have paid y amount of commissions, being y usually x multiplied n times. The thing is, when you don't have a bonus, you just pay commissions and don't get anything back.

that is somewhat my point though.
we are talking about a Casino. and that is a business made to make money not to give money to the users. people go to gambling sites, the casinos, ... to "spend" money even if they think they go there to earn money. and in the end even if you win the jackpot you have been losing a lot of times which will negate that one win in total. either due to commissions or sheer total of losses.
that is why they make you make more and more bets because they always have the 'edge"...
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Unless until we not stop all the welcome bonus gimmick network wont stop getting blindly robbed. This the only Unique  selling point all gambling sites and it the formula / tactics so its not fault of the gambling site its fault / mistake of gambler only and it is logical what I told is Which I believe with full of confidence. Better all gamblers should stop entering / playing on those sites is the only solution.
sr. member
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I personally can't sit here in good consciousness and say welcome bonuses are scams. I personally use bonuses often not only for online crypto casinos but for normal betting sites as well. Now i always read the terms and conditions of any bonus offer before i accepted. Now if any site makes it mandatory where you have to accept bonus then i simply go to a different website until that bonus is over. I personally suggest never take a bonus that requires anything over a 40x  play requirements.

Sad thing is most people aren't aware of these T&C's. The roll over should be in BOLD BIG writing when you accept, like any ethical service.
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I personally can't sit here in good consciousness and say welcome bonuses are scams. I personally use bonuses often not only for online crypto casinos but for normal betting sites as well. Now i always read the terms and conditions of any bonus offer before i accepted. Now if any site makes it mandatory where you have to accept bonus then i simply go to a different website until that bonus is over. I personally suggest never take a bonus that requires anything over a 40x  play requirements.
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I have only won at casinos when I don't take a bonus. The terms are always bad and have a huge rollover like 10x or something that makes it basically impossible to win.
legendary
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Isn't PrimeDice the main factor in the Crypto Gambling Foundation  Shocked
+ they don't have a deposit bonus  Cheesy
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legendary
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Most people already know about this deposit bonus and pretty much most of the main sites offer this. Also clearly written in the terms on how it works. Sometimes its common sense. If it was like getting 5% bonus then one can assume its without strings attached but getting these 50-100% deposit bonuses its common sense some type of conditions will be required.

My issue is more with the sites that all of a sudden ask for KYC/AML right after someone hits the jackpot. Those are not fair in my opionion and those casinos are clearly scammy.
legendary
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Freedom&Honor
It's math

Imagine a 1% House edge dice
x100 rollover

With each rollover you 1% on average (over a million or so bets, let's say), which is a 100% loss on a x100 rollover
You succesfully lost everything  Cheesy

That's with betting small increments, imagine doing this with Martingale..

There are some good deposit bonuses, such a FJ, where you can use your bonus once you lose your initial deposit, if you win, you can just withdraw the winnings, since the bonus is only used once you spend all your deposited funds

Rollover doesn't count on dice there though  Cry
But since you get it once you lose your whole deposit, it's freebies, literally.

Locking your entire balance instead of just the bonus is well.. often negative EV.

legendary
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It is still a bonus though, but do you really expect a gambling site to give you free money? Why would anyone give anyone free money right? The bonus are really just that, "bonuses". They are not free money. There are terms and conditions to them to get them. That is why it is also part of the gamble. You are gambling whether you will get the bonus or not, plain and simple. If you don't want the bonus, there is always the option to opt-out anyway.

Agree it is still a bonus but these kind of bonuses are designed to make player lose all their deposit plus bonus because there are some requirements behind the bonus. I also agree there is no free money on gambling, but this is not the main idea here IMO.
As I can see the main purpose of this thread is to warn people about deposit/welcome bonus which sounds so good but in fact it is not good for players. So yeah, it is better to avoid such bonuses unless players ready with all the terms.
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legendary
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Good article. Welcome bonuses may sound appealing at first, but in most times it's more or less selling a daylight robbery dream.

Keep in mind this article isn't just about the welcome bonus, but reading T&C. A lot of traditional websites have websites which "allow" them to hold your funds due to some unethical terms they tend to add in.

Be cautious people.
I think a good strategy to deal with new casinos is not to deposit any money there until there're confirmations from other members that the money can be withdrawn. As for bonuses, I suppose if a casino is just giving you a welcoming bonus which you can spend on their website (and this one is usually to small to withdraw anyway) then it's fine to use it. And it is quite fair as well that one cannot withdraw it from the website, since it is meant to be used to gambling testing purposes.
legendary
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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
Some dubious online casino copies some effective advertising promo of some real online casinos like the welcome bonus gimmick to attracts many unsuspecting players into their games then later scam them.
Lol that is too much of an obvious scam mate. If you do find any site doing so and they have an account here dont forget to mention it in scam accusations to get their account negtagged. But if they are smart enough they wont venture into this forum because most scammers know about this forum and dont want to get more fed-flags to their "obvious" scam

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Terms and conditions should be read carefully before any online casino.
Not just any online casino but to all other services as well. But often T&C are so huge and technical that people skim the first few lines and then overlook the rest.
hero member
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It is still a bonus though, but do you really expect a gambling site to give you free money? Why would anyone give anyone free money right? The bonus are really just that, "bonuses". They are not free money. There are terms and conditions to them to get them. That is why it is also part of the gamble. You are gambling whether you will get the bonus or not, plain and simple. If you don't want the bonus, there is always the option to opt-out anyway.
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Some dubious online casino copies some effective advertising promo of some real online casinos like the welcome bonus gimmick to attracts many unsuspecting players into their games then later scam them. Terms and conditions should be read carefully before any online casino.
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The whole online casino market is scammy af.

Minimum deposits, minimum withdraws.  The minimum deposits are too high, it's a good thing it stops me from gambling and losing money  Grin
I don't think so if you are playing in provably fair casino and don't take deposit bonuses or other bonuses with high wagering requirement than you can't get scammed.

Also minimum deposits is considerably low in most of the casino and fee they take on withdrawals are actually network fees not commission that will be taken by casino. Most of the fiat casino can banned you without any reasons or can ask for verification when trying to withdraw out. Also all of fiat based casino are monitored by governments or other authorities.

I always try to not take any of such bonuses with hidden and confusing terms and conditions.

Yes there are many online casino that are scam, we can see some post here in the forum advertising their fake online casino but do not generalize all online casino a scam as there are many legit ones that are paying and fair.

It will also great if you carefully read the terms and conditions of what you are signing up for. If you do not like it then do not sign up.




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legendary
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The whole online casino market is scammy af.

Minimum deposits, minimum withdraws.  The minimum deposits are too high, it's a good thing it stops me from gambling and losing money  Grin
I don't think so if you are playing in provably fair casino and don't take deposit bonuses or other bonuses with high wagering requirement than you can't get scammed.

Also minimum deposits is considerably low in most of the casino and fee they take on withdrawals are actually network fees not commission that will be taken by casino. Most of the fiat casino can banned you without any reasons or can ask for verification when trying to withdraw out. Also all of fiat based casino are monitored by governments or other authorities.

I always try to not take any of such bonuses with hidden and confusing terms and conditions.
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Anyone that expects to get free money anywhere in the world is just stupid. OF COURSE there are terms & conditions about the bonus and OF COURSE they're hard to achieve.

I don't find anything scammy about this. Read before you "invest" your money and everyone will remain happy.
hero member
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This happens with many different sites, even in the stock trading world they are services that do these "welcome bonuses".

I remember I once registered for a binary options trading site. I deposited I think $100 and was offered $100 extra, and just took the offer.

Basically after a few losing trades I decided to withdraw whichever amount I had remaining I think $70. However due to the "$100 bonus" it states that you cannot withdraw anything until you get a certain rollover amount; which was very difficult.

Ended up I think losing the entire $100. Live and learn I guess.
Same experience, not on binary options but on forex trading which broker did really make some nasty promo of deposit bonus and the common mistake that we do always do is that we dont even think to read up their terms towards it and our expectations would really be broken if we decide to withdraw funds but as usual we would really need to rollover before we can able to cash-out it. Not only on gambling world but also to those kind of businesses.
legendary
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for the casinos welcome bonus still be main feature to get new players but for the players itself unfortunately sometimes they didn't read the TOS carefully because they're tempting to see their balance can be double even triple although wagering requirements is very high with low chance to get our money back because basically the casinos didn't give money to the players but admitted or not welcome bonus can give profit to the casinos
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Ahahah,

You have to be an idiot if you think you'll earn anything from those bonuses.
I've always thought that the most important features in a casino are, in order of importance:
-House edge
-Diversity of the games and possibilities
-Long term rewards

But welcome bonuses melt like snow under the sun. There is no way you'll get back anything on them just because you'll have to bet something like 20 or 50 times the amount first ^^
legendary
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This happens with many different sites, even in the stock trading world they are services that do these "welcome bonuses".

I remember I once registered for a binary options trading site. I deposited I think $100 and was offered $100 extra, and just took the offer.

Basically after a few losing trades I decided to withdraw whichever amount I had remaining I think $70. However due to the "$100 bonus" it states that you cannot withdraw anything until you get a certain rollover amount; which was very difficult.

Ended up I think losing the entire $100. Live and learn I guess.
legendary
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I've always hated these things. They're complete scams and this article sums it up perfectly. When you see a website offering you a deposit bonus, you will pretty much NEVER get your money back. It's an illusion and it gets you playing the games with close to no chance of actually cashing out.

Don't get me wrong, some people successfully beat the odds, but your chances are VERY low.

Article below quoted from the Crypto Gambling Foundation

https://cryptogambling.org/articles/welcome-bonus-gimmick/

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Wagering Requirements

The most controversial welcome bonus condition set by casinos is called the wagering requirement. This is the amount set by casinos which a player has to bet before their bonus is credited into their cash balance.

Most times, when a player opts in for a bonus, they are unable to withdraw their deposits and bonus until they have made enough bets to reach the required turnover threshold set by the casino.
That is surprising for me. I find it reasonable to have a wagering requirement to withdraw your bonus, but not for your deposits. I suppose this only happens in crypto casinos as I haven’t heard anything similar in fiat ones.

To claim that all deposit bonuses are a scam is like claiming that all online casinos are a scam! But in reality it depends on the casino that offers the bonus. I personally have used several bonuses and they gave me a financial advantage. Of course do rogue casinos try to misuse deposit bonuses, but it is basically the player's fault if he deposits at any casino without checking it.

This. I’ve personally benefited from deposit bonuses in the past and I regretted not having deposited more, so I could have had a bigger bonus and benefited more. It wasn’t in crypto sites, though.

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a casino can not just give money away. and the deposit bonus is exactly that. they are giving money away and when you do that, there will be a lot of people who will rush to abuse this free giveaway and bankrupt the casino. so you need to set some rules to prevent people just making a deposit, playing a game or two and going away with their money and reward for good as much as you can.

Yes, or without playing any game. Bonuses have wagering requirements so when you free x amount of bonus it's because you have paid y amount of commissions, being y usually x multiplied n times. The thing is, when you don't have a bonus, you just pay commissions and don't get anything back.
legendary
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this is actually a delicate matter that no matter what you do, there will always be one party that is going to regret it.

a casino can not just give money away. and the deposit bonus is exactly that. they are giving money away and when you do that, there will be a lot of people who will rush to abuse this free giveaway and bankrupt the casino. so you need to set some rules to prevent people just making a deposit, playing a game or two and going away with their money and reward for good as much as you can.

but when casinos are trying to do that, they always go overboard because a casino is not a charity, it is a business that was created to make money from people who play there and lose money. so they force people to play more and more to lose more money or have a higher chance of losing money when they play more. and players losing means casino earning more.
legendary
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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
I agree to this because lot of offering site nowadays are with welcome package etc, and that could make how caught a fish out of there ponds.

It is a marketing method to promote the site. When the site is still young and needs to gain popularity there are many people who promote the site with the tag line - Join now and get this this bonus. Albeit those bonuses are too small and are just to get potential gamblers to get addicted to the site.

However some scam websites show very lucrative bonuses which one must be careful to judge as to whether the site is legit or not. A big welcome bonus does not mean you can win the minimum withdraw in a short while and you can cash out.

Also some idiots may deposit their money on the site and if it was a scam then obviously we all know what will happen.
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I agree to this because lot of offering site nowadays are with welcome package etc, and that could make how caught a fish out of there ponds.
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I dont like this kind of promo to be honest due to the high wagering requirement, but I dont think it can be consideren as scam. Players always need to read all the terms before deciding to take any bonuses or even before registering in any sites. This is why all casinos has their own terms, if players complain the terms after taking the bonuses then it is their own fault.

Players should abide by terms of the site but such terms too should be clearly visible.
Promo from established and proper gambling sites (talking about the crypto ones) are straightforward.
It's just the  scam and fiat sites with shady promos.
legendary
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I dont like this kind of promo to be honest due to the high wagering requirement, but I dont think it can be consideren as scam. Players always need to read all the terms before deciding to take any bonuses or even before registering in any sites. This is why all casinos has their own terms, if players complain the terms after taking the bonuses then it is their own fault.
legendary
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The whole online casino market is scammy af.

Minimum deposits, minimum withdraws.  The minimum deposits are too high, it's a good thing it stops me from gambling and losing money  Grin

You can't tell everyone is scamming but you need to understand one thing that they are doing the business to bring them a profit not distributing money to gamblers. So when there is a bonus means it comes with some conditions. It is our responsibility to check those terms before start using those bonus. Usually, those terms are very difficult to achieve so I never bother to check those bonus.
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To claim that all deposit bonuses are a scam is like claiming that all online casinos are a scam! But in reality it depends on the casino that offers the bonus. I personally have used several bonuses and they gave me a financial advantage. Of course do rogue casinos try to misuse deposit bonuses, but it is basically the player's fault if he deposits at any casino without checking it.
Most of the time, deposit bonuses are -ev for players. It's essentially trying to get you to choose something you think is a good deal but is in reality shit.
There are some +ev deposit bonuses but they are a rare event as most casinos can't afford to waste that kind of money. When you see the typical online casino layout, you know that their bonuses are almost certainly horrible deals.
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To claim that all deposit bonuses are a scam is like claiming that all online casinos are a scam! But in reality it depends on the casino that offers the bonus. I personally have used several bonuses and they gave me a financial advantage. Of course do rogue casinos try to misuse deposit bonuses, but it is basically the player's fault if he deposits at any casino without checking it.
legendary
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I'm never using those type of bonuses because this is the way to get your money locked under turnover restrictions. People just need to read more before click on "I accept" terms.
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The whole online casino market is scammy af.

Minimum deposits, minimum withdraws.  The minimum deposits are too high, it's a good thing it stops me from gambling and losing money  Grin
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Good article. Welcome bonuses may sound appealing at first, but in most times it's more or less selling a daylight robbery dream.

Keep in mind this article isn't just about the welcome bonus, but reading T&C. A lot of traditional websites have websites which "allow" them to hold your funds due to some unethical terms they tend to add in.

Be cautious people.
I experience this enticement from option24 when I was gambling in what was name binary options and put in good money with the aim of making it big in option trading but i was disappointed when the odd is always high against me and I lost heavily in it.  If a company will keep on changing there terms and conditions it then means they have in mind to luck the clients money in.
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Good article. Welcome bonuses may sound appealing at first, but in most times it's more or less selling a daylight robbery dream.

Keep in mind this article isn't just about the welcome bonus, but reading T&C. A lot of traditional websites have websites which "allow" them to hold your funds due to some unethical terms they tend to add in.

Be cautious people.
sr. member
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I've always hated these things. They're complete scams and this article sums it up perfectly. When you see a website offering you a deposit bonus, you will pretty much NEVER get your money back. It's an illusion and it gets you playing the games with close to no chance of actually cashing out.

Don't get me wrong, some people successfully beat the odds, but your chances are VERY low.

Article below quoted from the Crypto Gambling Foundation

https://cryptogambling.org/articles/welcome-bonus-gimmick/

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Online casino bonuses come with Terms & Conditions that are not player friendly. Accepting these bonuses often leads to bettors not being able to withdraw their winnings, and in some cases having both their deposit and bonus confiscated by rogue casinos.

The average gambler, especially those unaccustomed to the online casino scene, are often not aware of some of these bogus T&C’s. Many see the welcome bonus sign and proceed to deposit funds, thinking it is all free money. Sadly, a lot of online casinos operate solely to cheat players, and do everything possible to ensure players lose.
Wagering Requirements

The most controversial welcome bonus condition set by casinos is called the wagering requirement. This is the amount set by casinos which a player has to bet before their bonus is credited into their cash balance.

Most times, when a player opts in for a bonus, they are unable to withdraw their deposits and bonus until they have made enough bets to reach the required turnover threshold set by the casino.
It is worth considering that casino games are always established to be in favour of the house. The house-edge, vig or over-round are set in a way that ensures players lose in the long-term. Even when gamblers go on winning runs, they eventually lose trying to reach the turnover limit set by the casino.
To add insult to injury, some bets are deemed ineligible for clearing turnover requirements. For example, bets made playing blackjack don’t often qualify because very good players are capable of devising strategies to minimize losses and increase their win rates.

In sports betting, the required odds are set very high by the casinos. This, coupled with the number of times a player must turn over their deposit and bonus amount ensures they lose it all. Generally casinos aren’t enamored towards winning gamblers and often ban or limit them as soon as possible.
Experienced online gamblers often say claiming welcome bonuses is too much of a hassle these days. However, there are still genuine offers that aren’t designed to cheat players.
Casinos also use this method to protect themselves from players that abuse sign-up offers. There are a few things a player can do to ascertain if a bonus is worth claiming or not, before depositing their hard-earned money into an online casino.

Look out for predatory T&C’s

  • It is the player’s responsibility to always read the casino’s bonus terms and conditions. The player must make sure they fully understand all the clauses before making a deposit. If the turnover requirement is draconian, avoid the casino at all cost.
    Operating with true fairness
  • Before depositing into any casino, it is very important to confirm that they are either providing provably fair gambling, or in some way or another are regulated and have a license. If they don’t have any form of fairness system in place, avoid them at all cost.
    Positive reviews and endorsements
  • Players must try as much as possible to search online for reviews and feedback from other players, both positive and negative before making a deposit. This is often the best way to gauge if a casino will cheat you or not.
    Verification & jurisdiction
  • Most casinos require KYC to determine if a player is eligible to use their platform. Always confirm if a casino allows players from your country. And whenever possible, confirm your identity before depositing to save yourself future hassles during the withdrawal process.


Established casinos have a brand to protect and more often than not offer bonuses with reasonable terms. However, these conditions are designed to keep players betting for extended periods and only a lucky few complete them. The only way players can protect themselves is by researching and due diligence. Always read the T&C’s before committing.
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