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Topic: theASIC miner availible! (Read 4355 times)

newbie
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June 03, 2013, 05:32:11 PM
#63
There, reported this thread. Lets see if we make this disappear.
newbie
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June 03, 2013, 05:30:07 PM
#62
Why are moderators not deleting these posts but instead move them from newbie right here? This makes no sense.

Oh come on it's not as if they were going o make any money.  The 'Custom Hardware' section is a scam improvement arena for potential scammers. They have their scams reviewed and they pass, fail or adjust for future...

This particular scammer obviously graduated from the same school as Cedartec!

Unfortunately he learnt from the same shit teacher!!

I do love it when they adamantly try to defend their BS!

Yes, but how likely is that you have a product to launch, even more an ASIC, and have never had enough contact here to give you a non-newbie account, while at the same time you know NO ONE involved with bitcoin that posts here and could put in a good word for you. A guy with an account of this type is 99.99% scammer. Let them be in the newbies section if they want to post stuff like this.

What would make sense right now is ban this guy from the forum and delete his posts.
hero member
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June 03, 2013, 06:03:45 AM
#61
Why are moderators not deleting these posts but instead move them from newbie right here? This makes no sense.

Oh come on it's not as if they were going o make any money.  The 'Custom Hardware' section is a scam improvement arena for potential scammers. They have their scams reviewed and they pass, fail or adjust for future...

This particular scammer obviously graduated from the same school as Cedartec!

Unfortunately he learnt from the same shit teacher!!

I do love it when they adamantly try to defend their BS!
newbie
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June 03, 2013, 05:58:00 AM
#60
Why are moderators not deleting these posts but instead move them from newbie right here? This makes no sense.
full member
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June 03, 2013, 05:15:51 AM
#59
I came here to point out, as if it hasn't been said enough, that this is an obvious scam.  Don't give your money to these people folks.
hero member
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always the student, never the master.
June 03, 2013, 04:59:58 AM
#58
if you think this was bad, wait tilll you see my latest scam: FUGAISICS

fugaise: noun meaning fake. two sound blaster cards ducktaped to an old Gateway Server HeatSInk with 4 120 MM case for visual aesthetics. hell, i may even go spray paint the thing brown and print a shitcoin sticker and put on it for the logo
hero member
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June 03, 2013, 04:50:09 AM
#57
Ahh.  I see now - thanks for the Panda board close up.  Another question: why are there wires connected to the removed audio jack?

You (theASIC) truly are idiots.  Scam accusation time?

A bit late I'm afraid, looks like it was accused of being a scam from the third post onwards...
hero member
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June 03, 2013, 04:44:44 AM
#56
Ahh.  I see now - thanks for the Panda board close up.  Another question: why are there wires connected to the removed audio jack?

You (theASIC) truly are idiots.  Scam accusation time?
hero member
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June 03, 2013, 02:47:19 AM
#55
20 Avalon chips? On this?



And a please tell us what the SD card & VGA port are for!  Grin Grin Grin

It's like you're not even trying....
PeZ
sr. member
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June 03, 2013, 12:20:35 AM
#54
Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer

You mean it's got a doohickey that doesn't require a widget?
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 10:44:40 PM
#53
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, but i`m not allowed to put it into some other part of the board.

I want to advertise some new Bitcoin ASIC miner, build completely on our own except the main chip (Avalon). We call it "theASIC". It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt. Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer, if you are running more than two devices, you may chain them via HDMI.

At the moment, ~140 devices are availible in a maximum of two weeks, these are just getting produced by our partners! We already have some of them working at our company for testing and mining.

You are able to buy it on our web page (www.theasic.com, please order through our contact page), it is 3.2Bitcoins for one device with flat shipping fee (to all countries!)! If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask!

Have a nice day,

Tom

I just got a possible great news from this if it is true. So can I predict that the chips will be shipped in two weeks, tom?

sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 08:30:23 PM
#52
Shenzhen is too hot now, otherwise I will pay them a visit to see whether it really exists.
 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
#51
Hi tom if this is not a scam how about you send me the hardware I test it out and if 100% working and all fine I send you payment for the device and I  resell the products on my site and business?
member
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June 02, 2013, 07:57:39 PM
#50
how embarrassing..   Kiss
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 07:51:27 PM
#49
Can I use a VGA adapter with the HDMI cables?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the HDMI is clearly so you can connect it to a computer monitor to watch it mine?

Yes you connect your "theASIC" to your 1080p TV, so you can watch yourself getting screwed in hi-def.

Daisy chain them together so you can share with your neighbors.
hero member
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KS
sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 12:01:24 PM
#47
bASIC was also a great name Wink

changed my sig Smiley
member
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June 02, 2013, 12:00:57 PM
#46
Can I use a VGA adapter with the HDMI cables?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the HDMI is clearly so you can connect it to a computer monitor to watch it mine?
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 11:58:13 AM
#45
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, but i`m not allowed to put it into some other part of the board.

I want to advertise some new Bitcoin ASIC miner, build completely on our own except the main chip (Avalon). We call it "theASIC". It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt. Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer, if you are running more than two devices, you may chain them via HDMI.

At the moment, ~140 devices are availible in a maximum of two weeks, these are just getting produced by our partners! We already have some of them working at our company for testing and mining.

You are able to buy it on our web page (www.theasic.com, please order through our contact page), it is 3.2Bitcoins for one device with flat shipping fee (to all countries!)! If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask!

Have a nice day,

Tom

I want order one with the price of 2.8 bitcoins for the first time. Can be delivered by SF-Express to Beijing or Nanjing, JiangSu Province? I will pay for the delivery fee if I have recieved your product.
If your product is true , I will show photo in this bbs, and I will order more.
So many thinks!
With Best Wishes.


8 posts; you're either a noob, a shill, or an idiot...
KS
sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 11:57:54 AM
#44
I like the name though. I thought it was very inspired. I wonder whether they would accept LTC as well, or maybe CNC.
bASIC was also a great name Wink

I thought aasic was a good name. My friends tell me it stinks like feet. I do no understand that joke.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
June 02, 2013, 11:55:08 AM
#43
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, but i`m not allowed to put it into some other part of the board.

I want to advertise some new Bitcoin ASIC miner, build completely on our own except the main chip (Avalon). We call it "theASIC". It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt. Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer, if you are running more than two devices, you may chain them via HDMI.

At the moment, ~140 devices are availible in a maximum of two weeks, these are just getting produced by our partners! We already have some of them working at our company for testing and mining.

You are able to buy it on our web page (www.theasic.com, please order through our contact page), it is 3.2Bitcoins for one device with flat shipping fee (to all countries!)! If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask!

Have a nice day,

Tom

I want order one with the price of 2.8 bitcoins for the first time. Can be delivered by SF-Express to Beijing or Nanjing, JiangSu Province? I will pay for the delivery fee if I have recieved your product.
If your product is true , I will show photo in this bbs, and I will order more.
So many thinks!
With Best Wishes.
legendary
Activity: 1890
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June 02, 2013, 11:54:49 AM
#42
This is a scam, HDMI only carries video and audio. Full Stop.

Also 0 contact information or address. Never buy anything without a physical address.

Additionally, the website looks like it was put together by an 8 year old. Why they didn't just adapt a free professional-looking template I don't know.
Actually it also carries ethernet signals in the newest revision.

But looking beyond that, it is a tenuous offer at best. I am not aware that HDMI 1.4 contains any daisy chain structure to begin with.
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 11:51:04 AM
#41
I like the name though. I thought it was very inspired. I wonder whether they would accept LTC as well, or maybe CNC.
bASIC was also a great name Wink
KS
sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 11:45:27 AM
#40
I like the name though. I thought it was very inspired. I wonder whether they would accept LTC as well, or maybe CNC.
newbie
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June 02, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
#39
looks really amateur .. he needs to take some butterfly lesson
sr. member
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Supersonic
June 02, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
#38
because they are clearly newbies at scamming...

this
sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 09:59:37 AM
#37
 Grin Good one!
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 09:57:11 AM
#36
sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, [...]

This post should have stayed there.... it was in "Newbie" section for a reason.

...to scam newbies, or because they are clearly newbies at scamming...?
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
#35
This is a scam, HDMI only carries video and audio. Full Stop.

Also 0 contact information or address. Never buy anything without a physical address.


They post a physical address (ASICMINER's)
sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 09:11:07 AM
#34
This forum needs a Danger-Minefield sign  Tongue
full member
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June 02, 2013, 09:09:32 AM
#33
This is a scam, HDMI only carries video and audio. Full Stop.

Also 0 contact information or address. Never buy anything without a physical address.

Additionally, the website looks like it was put together by an 8 year old. Why they didn't just adapt a free professional-looking template I don't know.
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 09:05:02 AM
#32


SCAM!
What's that?

scam  [skam]  Show IPA noun, verb, scammed, scam·ming.
noun
1.
a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.
verb (used with object)
2.
to cheat or defraud with a scam.
Origin:
1960–65;  orig. carnival argot;  of obscure origin

Related forms
scam·mer, noun


The screenshoot...
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 09:02:43 AM
#31


SCAM!
What's that?

scam  [skam]  Show IPA noun, verb, scammed, scam·ming.
noun

1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.
verb (used with object)

2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.
Origin:
1960–65;  orig. carnival argot;  of obscure origin

Related forms
scam·mer, noun

legendary
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June 02, 2013, 08:57:04 AM
#30
You are able to buy it on our web page (www.theasic.com, please order through our contact page), it is 3.2Bitcoins for one device with flat shipping fee (to all countries!)! If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask!



SCAM!
What's that?
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 08:22:54 AM
#29
My very expensive antivirus says that this site is bad for you. Might contain crapware.
sr. member
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Supersonic
June 02, 2013, 08:12:45 AM
#28
Cedartec revision #2, anyone?!
Cedartec had "believers"
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 08:11:06 AM
#27
Cedartec revision #2, anyone?!
sr. member
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Supersonic
June 02, 2013, 08:08:34 AM
#26
sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, [...]

This post should have stayed there.... it was in "Newbie" section for a reason.
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 08:06:47 AM
#25
Daisy chain via HDMI? LOL okay bro.

prefer scart cables myself Smiley
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 07:56:51 AM
#24
Hello everbody,

i can assure, that theASIC isn`t scam. The embedded board which is controlling theASIC is definitly based on a (modified) PandaBoard solution (to get the chaining feature, the power supply etc.). It`s also no classic "firmware" update of which i`m talking about, it`s the OS and applications on this embedded board which are going to be upgraded.

I will post a video tomorrow, as i don`t have a device at home and saturday is rather my family-day AND because of this:
I don`t tolerate to call us scammer, as we were really working extremly hard developing this device (which works really fine btw.). It costs us much time and a lot of money. If you don`t have faith in us - just don`t order a device, thats not my problem. I think you forum haters will also call BFL and Avalon a scammer, because you haven`t order sufficiently early enough, now are in a waiting queue and now make yours problem to them.

Greets,

Tom

You have to understand that people are risk adverse when it comes to loosing btc.

If what you say is true then why don't you pm me.

At the very least you can get me to validate a prototype.

I can even give access to the cgminer team if your claim is real you should consider this as an investment in your product.
member
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If you can't do something smart,do something right
June 02, 2013, 07:53:00 AM
#23
When trying to scam people, at least have the decency to do it right.

Josh could give you some advice.
legendary
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/dev/null
June 02, 2013, 07:50:22 AM
#22
Hello everbody,

i can assure, that theASIC isn`t scam. The embedded board which is controlling theASIC is definitly based on a (modified) PandaBoard solution (to get the chaining feature, the power supply etc.). It`s also no classic "firmware" update of which i`m talking about, it`s the OS and applications on this embedded board which are going to be upgraded.

I will post a video tomorrow, as i don`t have a device at home and saturday is rather my family-day AND because of this:
I don`t tolerate to call us scammer, as we were really working extremly hard developing this device (which works really fine btw.). It costs us much time and a lot of money. If you don`t have faith in us - just don`t order a device, thats not my problem. I think you forum haters will also call BFL and Avalon a scammer, because you haven`t order sufficiently early enough, now are in a waiting queue and now make yours problem to them.

Greets,

Tom

Tom, tell me about your feeling.) buy domain and space, create web page, create forum acc with hope, that you will suck some BTC on board..and revealed, alone and without any proofs, videos, history..it must be so hard be a scammer in these times.
full member
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June 02, 2013, 07:46:33 AM
#21
This shit is fucking comedy gold!
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 07:45:24 AM
#20
Scam all the way
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 07:39:38 AM
#19
Hello everbody,

i can assure, that theASIC isn`t scam. The embedded board which is controlling theASIC is definitly based on a (modified) PandaBoard solution (to get the chaining feature, the power supply etc.). It`s also no classic "firmware" update of which i`m talking about, it`s the OS and applications on this embedded board which are going to be upgraded.

I will post a video tomorrow, as i don`t have a device at home and saturday is rather my family-day AND because of this:
I don`t tolerate to call us scammer, as we were really working extremly hard developing this device (which works really fine btw.). It costs us much time and a lot of money. If you don`t have faith in us - just don`t order a device, thats not my problem. I think you forum haters will also call BFL and Avalon a scammer, because you haven`t order sufficiently early enough, now are in a waiting queue and now make yours problem to them.

Greets,

Tom

I'll bite.  Why did you remove the audio jacks?  Why not just leave them on the Panda board?  Why would a Panda board need a CPU heat sink on top of it?

©2013 theasic.com | Shunda Co., Limited | Rm 23D, Block A, Duhui Bldg, Zhonghang Rd, Futian Dist, Shenzhen | [email protected]

Why are you copying another hardware companies address?
full member
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June 02, 2013, 07:31:20 AM
#18
sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, but i`m not allowed to put it into some other part of the board.

I want to advertise some new Bitcoin ASIC miner, build completely on our own except the main chip (Avalon). We call it "theASIC". It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt. Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware ...

 Sold me right here. Seems legit.

Hey, I'm sure he just doesn't want to give away the secret.  If he told us what the secret kind of embedded hardware was, we'd all just order a PandaBoard ES and make our own.  You know, kind of like the formula for Coke, or the colonel's secret fried chicken recipe.  I'm sure that's why he's being vague and saying things like "some kind of embedded hadware", and "it`s the OS and applications on this embedded board which are going to be upgraded".  Makes perfect sense.  Stop trying to steal his secrets!  Wink
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 07:24:44 AM
#17
also put off the fan to see the avalon chips please
newbie
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June 02, 2013, 07:20:17 AM
#16
Hello everbody,

i can assure, that theASIC isn`t scam. The embedded board which is controlling theASIC is definitly based on a (modified) PandaBoard solution (to get the chaining feature, the power supply etc.). It`s also no classic "firmware" update of which i`m talking about, it`s the OS and applications on this embedded board which are going to be upgraded.

I will post a video tomorrow, as i don`t have a device at home and saturday is rather my family-day AND because of this:
I don`t tolerate to call us scammer, as we were really working extremly hard developing this device (which works really fine btw.). It costs us much time and a lot of money. If you don`t have faith in us - just don`t order a device, thats not my problem. I think you forum haters will also call BFL and Avalon a scammer, because you haven`t order sufficiently early enough, now are in a waiting queue and now make yours problem to them.

Greets,

Tom
member
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June 02, 2013, 07:08:46 AM
#15
From their FAQ:
"theASIC can only be bought via Bitcoins, as we greatly enjoy this kind of currency."

For sure that is true. Unlike the rest of this scam.
donator
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June 02, 2013, 06:46:56 AM
#14
You know why it's a scam? Because i already own that board. It's a PandaBoard.
http://i.imgur.com/B8Mb8hf.gif
vs
http://theallbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/39158-hi-Pandaboard_image.jpg
At least they were smart enough to remove the audio jacks.
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 06:26:05 AM
#13
You know why it's a scam? Because i already own that board. It's a PandaBoard.
http://i.imgur.com/B8Mb8hf.gif
vs
http://theallbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/39158-hi-Pandaboard_image.jpg

ohh love services for searching same pictures on the web.

gj.)
Except that this was my own knowledge... But ok Wink
legendary
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/dev/null
June 02, 2013, 06:25:04 AM
#12
You know why it's a scam? Because i already own that board. It's a PandaBoard.
http://i.imgur.com/B8Mb8hf.gif
vs
http://theallbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/39158-hi-Pandaboard_image.jpg

ohh love services for searching same pictures on the web.

gj.)
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 06:14:41 AM
#11
You know why it's a scam? Because i already own that board. It's a PandaBoard.
http://i.imgur.com/B8Mb8hf.gif
vs
http://theallbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/39158-hi-Pandaboard_image.jpg
full member
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June 02, 2013, 06:12:50 AM
#10
In their FAQ, they say they can make and honor without delay the first 80 orders.
Quote
NOTE:
As we have received some Avalons, we are proud to annouce, that the first 80 devices are ready for shipping! Read more at "Products"!

I contacted them, but did not recieve a confirmation mail ...
sr. member
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June 02, 2013, 06:09:39 AM
#9
avalon will ship chips in the next two weeks?!
hero member
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June 02, 2013, 05:49:19 AM
#8
BS, they've just read about BFL's proposed 2gh/s firmware upgrade and decided to build a product looking similar to a Jalapeño around not fully understanding what a firmware upgrade is.

Then dropped Avalon's namesake for added confusion.

This is one of the more idiotic scams...
legendary
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/dev/null
June 02, 2013, 05:37:27 AM
#7
ok, message send to customer support via web. no confirmation mail yet.(
full member
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June 02, 2013, 05:30:55 AM
#6
Until we see this video, I'm going to have to agree this looks like another scam
legendary
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June 02, 2013, 05:27:43 AM
#5
Man, the scams are rolling right in the door today.

Tons of newbies want people to fork over 10's of thousands of dollars.

If theASIC is real, much love to em'. If not, join the crowd.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
June 02, 2013, 05:15:57 AM
#4
sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, but i`m not allowed to put it into some other part of the board.

I want to advertise some new Bitcoin ASIC miner, build completely on our own except the main chip (Avalon). We call it "theASIC". It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt. Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware ...

 Sold me right here. Seems legit.
newbie
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June 01, 2013, 03:52:25 PM
#3
Hi,
It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt.
But the website says 5.5 GH/s.
Which is it?
With the newest optimized firmware we are getting 6-7 GH/s (depends on the device). We will update this information if its tested enough!

Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer, if you are running more than two devices, you may chain them via HDMI.
Daisy chaining via HDMI?
Even if it's possible, why?
Yes!
When using two devices with the chaining feature, the device gets controlled by a primary device, the embedded hardware on the other devices will be switched off to save some power.


Could you post a video of your device hashing?
How long have the boards been running without issues?
Also fixing the English on your website would go a long way towards people trusting you.

Cheers
I will post some videos of our device later. Sorry, as we are a chinese based company, it may be possible to have some typos on our website. I will tell it to the responsible employee! Thanks for the tip!


Tom
newbie
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June 01, 2013, 03:42:23 PM
#2
It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt.
But the website says 5.5 GH/s.
Which is it?

Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer, if you are running more than two devices, you may chain them via HDMI.
Daisy chaining via HDMI?
Even if it's possible, why?

Could you post a video of your device hashing?
How long have the boards been running without issues?
Also fixing the English on your website would go a long way towards people trusting you.


Cheers
newbie
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June 01, 2013, 03:11:12 PM
#1
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

sorry that i have to post this to the "Newbie" section, but i`m not allowed to put it into some other part of the board.

I want to advertise some new Bitcoin ASIC miner, build completely on our own except the main chip (Avalon). We call it "theASIC". It is able to mine with around 6 to 7 GH/s at a power usage of 70 Watt. Onboard there`s some kind of embedded hardware which allows mining without a additional running computer, if you are running more than two devices, you may chain them via HDMI.

At the moment, ~140 devices are availible in a maximum of two weeks, these are just getting produced by our partners! We already have some of them working at our company for testing and mining.

You are able to buy it on our web page (www.theasic.com, please order through our contact page), it is 3.2Bitcoins for one device with flat shipping fee (to all countries!)! If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask!

Have a nice day,

Tom
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