Topic: thebitcoinquiz.com is an alt of puzzel.me (Read 3048 times)

The people without empathy are the loser scammers like you and your friends. It seems all your accounts have ever done is try to cheat and scam people and you didn't care until you got caught. I doubt you'll even learn your lesson and will just move on to the next proxy and account until you get caught again by your own stupidity and greed.

lol true, hes a good neighbour tho we all appreciate his services in the end it could have saved me quite a big amount to be honset

Is similar to the neighborhood watch program. We should all be watching out for scams. QS is very good at the detective work, but he's not a cop. He's a vigilant neighbor.

Edit: We need more like him.

agreed quickseller is doing what any human should do watch each others back!! Thanks Quickseller btw puzzl.me is a scamming account i know that for sure lol so if your linked then you should get the red trust...

He is not a cop, but is simply warning people of potential scams . But in the same process doing a lot of unwanted damage as well. He is also doing it unfairly as seen before. But in your case there is no evidence from your side to put forward a counter argument.

You bad guy, you deserve to get a neg rep..

Eh, I've already been blacklisted for a lot of things, and who made quickseller a cop ? (to me he is just ambitious and a guy without any empathy)
Also, if I would have further provided a signed message from earlier addresses then QS would have simply said that I control all the addresses of puzzle.me. I don't think that would have still helped me to prove my innocence(which I am)

He might be busy, maybe he'll answer you later.

Any account trader would know that negative trust accounts could become trouble in future. The only thing you can do to avoid it in future is as an account trader is atleast have some proof for it. The reason is that every scammer on the forum can simply say that he bought the account and deleted the message and get away with it.



No Double Standards. A Cop busts person A for being in possession of documents that were stolen . The documents are the originals and are exactly the ones stolen. Person A claims he bought them off someone else through ebay, but has forgotten the account details for his account. Cops won't release him and believe his story. They will probably charge him or atleast blacklist him for a lot of things. Thats how the current trust rating on your account is.

QS still ignoring my questions ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8147393

Can anyone show me the post pls ? I m seriously having trouble locating this Puzzling account.

And how? I've already told all these things in the past. What are you upto now?
Buying accounts doesn't make you an alt of someone.
Thanks

Thank you for proving you are an alt of puzzel.me. It's time to end this drama. Good luck to you.

Didn't use share send. But yeah those addresses are mine and I've explained enough I guess.

   even if I would have got a signed message, then would it had helped me in any good way? And no. They cannot be accessed.

And okay, my saying that the accounts were bought is not enough but quickseller saying that the accounts were not bought is enough? Double standards.
And moreover all I can claim is that I have done a lot of account trading in the past and QS knows it, we even discussed about one of my trade, and I never thought that trading accounts(without signed messages) for a mere profit would become so hectic for me in the future.

Have you ever mixed your coins or used Blockchain.info shared send? If you have used it, how many times?

I have a couple of things to add but before I do I have a question for Quickseller. I am not against him finding alts of scammers as thats partly what I did from my old account. But I am against his negative trust on my account as I clearly provided enough proof I am not a scammer.

@Quickseller in the Op you say


I actually did provide proof  that the account(Twipple)  was bought and even had master-p login and check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11475642
Any reason why you are still reluctant to remove the negative or atleast make it neutral ?



As for this thread @bitcoinquiz . If someone buys an account , then its his responsibility to have the messages as proof for future purposes if the accounts are under scam accusation . Specially in this case where I believe alts of puzzle.me were under red trust before you purchased them. Since you have literally no proof for it, just saying things isn't proof. Also you say puzzle.me was bought on PD. Can you provide transaction id's or account transfers done on Primedice(not sure if transactions from that back can still be accessed) ?

how is that even relevant? Right now I use blockchain all the time. Earlier I have used multibit and blockchain and I remember importing some addresses from multibit to blockchain. But I cant exactly claim which all addresses did import.

Which walllet are you using?

And so yes? I own 1LWjNBMVeAJcfqMfYvLXeGoPYVBMwf85zp . So what's the problem in here ? It was posted from my true account. And  I am allowed to use it whenever I want.
Sorry, I really didn't get that what's the problem in using this address? And I know that address is linked with the address I used in other account, and that address used in other account was used after november/december 2014  I.e after I bought those accounts and I suppose this address was active at that time and I just posted it in January.
Sorry, if I am missing your point bit I really don't understand what did you try to say/accuse/tell.

QS is talking about the post I am quoting not that idea of yours. This post was made on January 2015 which is after November/December 2014.

You know, I know over 6 people(some are well known here) who had the same idea of bitcoin quiz in their mind. And I've explained about it before.

No. I cant cause I am not. I started to control the account after november/december 2014, and since then it hasn't been involved in any scam.
And so why cant QS agree that he mistook me and rushed his decisions and by mistake accused me of being someone else's alt? Ill really have respect for him if he starts looking at this case from a neutral view and don't accuse me of doing wrong things based on assumptions. And if you(qs) feel I sent you PMs to you from different accounts then report them to Badbear and ask him if I am the one who is pming you from multiple accounts, cause I have just pmed you from this account. And just for the record, I have never ever accessed cryptforcause's account.

Thanks

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-shibaroll-has-lost-all-of-its-br-785003


False.


I have dealt with cryptoforcause, thebitcoinquiz.com and stellar. Didn't know they were one person!

Did puzzel.me scam anyone? He seems to own over 50% of the forum accounts here. To me it appears puzzel.me tried to scam by blackmailing a member. Anyways, attempting to scam and being a scammer is almost the same thing and this user has been creating numerous accounts on this forum.

Having dealt with stellar, he seemed to be genuine but the amount was really small to say anything.

Do you have a choice? Why are you keep calling yourself a scammer? Are you thinking this can be taken as proof to claim you are not alt of puzzel.me? Then you are wrong!

@thebitcoinquiz.com: Can't you just agree now that you are an alt of puzzel.me?

The first post of puzzle.me is also matching your handle. How do you plan on explaining that?

He got neg trust from Badbear in mid December but he had already got negative trust in November by others and this never spoiled the timeline! I've been explaining everything to you since the beginning. Stop harassing me and asking me for same things multiple times.

Your proofs don't explain that how is it possible that I couldn't have bought these accounts in November/december?

I am myself accepting that I was using these accounts since November /december, and all the addresses you mentioned in the OP have been used since november/december, and I was trading in a lot of forum accounts at that time. I am myself accepting those addresses are mine?
What proof are you giving? Nothing? You are just saying what I've told you but how can you claim that I didn't buy these accounts?

It wasn't proofs. He sent me a few messages between him and thebitcoinquiz.com. I believe he faked it because he is a liar. In those PMs he sent me is that bitcoinquiz.com did say puzzel.me was under his control. Remember, I am saying this by looking at those PMs he sent me. I haven't verfied it by logging into his account or in other ways.


Another lie.



It is quite sure puzzel.me didn't impersonate you rather you impersonated him which is very unlikely. See dates.


https://archive.is/Szcn0


https://archive.is/5EPbW

My proof is in the OP. If you don't understand how my proof connections your two accounts then feel free to open a thread asking for an explanation. The connection is solid

I swear to god or whomsoever you want, I've not accessed even a single alt account after you made this post.

Please start showing proofs rather than trying to divert the topic. You know your proofs cannot show that  I "created and scammed" with the accounts I bought for reselling, you are making false assumptions based on the facts that I myself clearly told you. You don't even have explanations.
It would be good if you apologize for your wrong accusation and then we can browse the forum peacefully.

I am not wrong. Stop talking to yourself with your alts on here, it is very annoying. IMO it is pretty clear that you are trying to make it appear as if your alts are not actually controlled by you.

When being asked upon further questions and explanations Quickseller replied me that now he wont explain anything further to me about how he assumed that those accounts were my alts cuz he thinks that I am learning from his responses. He has even blocked my PMs now.

Clearly he doesn't have anything to explain and thus cannot explain it and in this situation where QS has failed to explain his proofs further, I believe that now I don't deserve that negative trust.

This is again a case of quickseller rushing toward making bad decisions and destroying other's account. And now he is again fearful of being wrong again and hence my PMs have been blocked.

Found that post over here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-did-quickseller-add-this-negative-trust-without-any-reason-1053201

If you want me something else to provide as a proof, I will do, just ask me.

I ain't Puzzel.me's alt. If you can check that meta post you will find that I posted over there only that its thebitcoinquiz.com who is his alt not me but I didn't have any proofs at that time. I contacted MZ in PM and showed him a few proofs but later I thought it isn't worth, you can ask MZ about this.
I knew that thebitcoinquiz was holding this account when I got accused of being puzzel's alt which am not.
Idk who the actual person behind puzzel.me is but earlier I had some troubles with this guy and he intentionally posted my address to destroy my account, and so now as it has been proven the thebitcoinquiz.com is puzzel.me so it proves that I am innocent and the negative rating should be taken off my profile.

QS now u know thebitcoinquiz.com is real puzzel.me so please remove my neg trust. Also if you think am an alt of thebitcoinquiz.com  , then why would I have stated that thebitcoinquiz is puzzel's alt in my Meta post, why would I destroy a close to Sr. Member account seeing one of my account already destroyed? This will be dumb and am not dumb.


And if you still think am his alt then show that am his alt, show that any of my transaction is linked with him (signed by both of us) or provide a solid proof that am him, If you do this I will suck you Dick 
I am not an alt, I am original Cryptoforcause

there are many proven alts of puzzle.me like cryptocause  the guy who has positive feedback even after he was proven as alt of puzzle.me
he has a clean account with positive feedback so he can scam anyone with his positive trust

quickseller already posted proofs about him, relation between puzzle.me and cryptocause
there are 2-3 more alts of him

You are really butt hurt when you tried to frame ndnhc but you failed now you are looking for some other fish so that you can satisfy your ego and gain back your faith amongst the people. This line is clearly a proof of this - "This is one that I am not wrong about.".

You are trying anything and everything to accuse me. You even said that my account got sold and said that you read it somewhere, and you also said that my address is linked with the address which was used to scam jhonny, but when asked upon to show the proof to show that my account is sold, you failed to provide any proof for it.
Clearly you are saying anything and everything and are saying things that don't even have any substance.

Accusing me for a part for which you have some evidence is still fine(although the truth is different from your proofs), but being a dick and accusing me of things for which u don't have a single proof(my account is sold) is insane.

Who the fuck are you to stop me from telling my reason? I am just telling you what I've been speaking since the beginning.
Go spam you fake ass scam/paid signature somewhere else.

Stop making further stories. You personally also know that now you can't help yourself so stop wasting your time. Nice find Quickseller. Thankyou Tomatocage for leaving a neg. feedback.

the alts had already got negative trust from others one month before badbear's rating came, and I bought the accounts after those trust rating and I didn't buy em all at the same time. Deals for them were made at different times.
And so hence, badbear's rating doesn't add up to timeline and so is invaluable to the present timeline.
All the other proofs are based on your certain assumptions and suppositions, and they aren't substantial enough to prove that I am wrong.

No that is not against any rule however the evidence shows that is most likely something that did not happen. As I mentioned previously addresses were posted that connected you with puzzle.me both before and after BadBear outed his alts. If the addresses were only posted after his alts were outed then it would be understandable/believable that you purchased all the accounts from him but this isn't what happened.

There is also the issue that there is zero evidence that the account was purchased (you just so happened to delete the PM's).

Then to top it off there is the issue that puzzle.me created a thread whose title matches your name on his first post.  

Edit: to add further suspicion, the posts that both you and several of your alts have created were edited with the addresses removed to make it more difficult to track your alts.

Jus a simple question, does buying negative trusted account and then using them for signature ads and reselling is something against the forum?? I don't think so, and in short that's what I did. I personally do respect each and every member out here and respect their opinions, but really am I being punished for buying negatively trusted accounts? Wow, I really feel these proofs aren't watertight and I just think after qs's few claims went wrong now quickseller is doing all this just to gain name/fame on the forum by pushing down people and making assumptions based on incomplete proofs.
Thanks

On other account? And lol yes he is disagreeing with himself because he is making stories.

I do agree QS at times doesn't see the situation properly and goes ahead with giving a negative trust even without having solid proofs.
But this time, he is all correct. All his proofs are good enough to prove that thebitcoinquiz.com is a scammer and an alt of puzzel.me

Too Many Haters for QS around here 

Interesting how puzzel.me is disagreeing with himself.....or maybe he just can't see my rating on his other account by default.

That is a funny example you have there about someone who no longer sells accounts, where was this "trying to get rid of account sellers" with me? Nothing new to see with the post above Just your average hater troll and all around scammer as usual QS is doing the job other scammers would prefer he never, glad he does.

Yes he looks all right this time and I have reverified all those things and confirm that thebitcoinquiz is a scammer and is making stories to save himself.
Xestr can you leave a negative feedback? As neither I not Quickseller is in default list.

Hate quickseller all you want but look through what he posted. More then enough "evidence" has been posted IMO.

I do think he can be a little quick once in awhile but it looks like he's done a fair amount of research and is probably right this time.

So yet another story. So you mean you bought both puzzel.me and stellar69. Also you stated they were both from different buyers and different places. And now you say that "co-incidentally" stellar69 proved out to be puzzel.me's alt.
Wow, So Weird Story. I tried a lot to make myself think its true but sadly my brain and heart don't agree.

Please stop now. You have made enough stories. You are literally trying to get out of the situation by making silly excuses. Stop making more stories. If I put up another accusation I am sure I will get a nice story once again.

Its really sad that legendster is backing him up.
The best thing we can do now is PM theymos to check IP Logs and if the IPs are close to similar ( many people have dynamic IPs ) its obvious this scam accusation is 100% correct.

Accusations had already been made against stellar69* back in mid of November, badbear just made the mark permanent after a month, it doesn't mean that I was an alt of puzzel.me, its that stellar69 was an alt lf puzzel.me back in November and badbear based on previous evidences left a neg trust in December.

P.S : I am not going to explain any further.

 Tldr; I am an account trader and traded a lot and lots of accounts back in December/november(all my customers were happy), I also bought stellar69, mailmansdoge, puzzel.me after they got negative trust(got em for cheap), and so I used those accounts and this guys is indirectly/unknowingly harassing me for using those accounts.
 bye
Edit: You all are free to give me negative trust if you believe in quickseller. Thanks

There is also this thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-did-quickseller-add-this-negative-trust-without-any-reason-1053201

The account is spend-linked to thebitcoinquiz and puzzle.me however he claimed to know nothing about puzzle.me

seller69 was tagged by BadBear both before and after the various addresses were posted. This should serve as evidence that the same person likely controlled the accounts both before and after he tagged the accounts as being probable alts of puzzle.me (the person why tried the failed blackmail attempt).

There is also the issue of the fact that puzzle.me's first post is essentially your handle.

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most of the other posts here are "I hate quickseller" posts and are off topic.

The original owner was a pretty fine person and I don't really think that he would have done something wrong. But idk much.

If you knew what he was upto then you knew very well about the kind of heat it would bring if you bought such an account. Now you have to deal with it.

Quickie boy is a moron; so dont worry about him, try to stay true to the people who you trade with and maintain transparency in everything you do here, no one will care about his accusations.

Puzzel.me was bought from a guy on primedice, others were brought from btctalk users.
And I know the original owner of puzzel.me account, we used to discuss ideas together on dogecoin IRC, later on he sold that account, and then after a few months I bought that account from this pd guy. Don't know much about what happened in between.
And as account trading is allowed on the forum, I don't think I did anything wrong.

The quiz idea was mine's and puzzel.me's both. Later on he went on to conduct it alone. And I don't know much what happened after it, but I know that puzzel.me got sold. And yes, puzzel.me was indian, idk if he was school kid or not.
And the accounts weren't registered during the same period, and there weren't any accusations against the quiz (IIRC), but I don't remember much.

Why can't puzzel.me be an Indian school kid? I am pretty sure thebitcoinquiz.com is his alt. Legenster sorry to say but you are just backing up a scammer. Your statements don't prove that thebitcoinquiz.com isn't his alt.
Also I got another proof though might not be a valid one. Puzzel.me ran a quiz game and it was all scam. He asked for bitcoins to reveal answers to people. Everyone knows about that scam quiz thing. Also thebitcoinquiz.com was registered during the same time period. Thus, another quiz game after puzzel.me was a flop.
This is just my small accusation adding in the list of BIG accusation of Quickseller.

Very well done Quickseller.

Out of curiosity, why did you buy these accounts and from whom ?

Just another example of where Quickseller is trying to abuse his trust power to get rid of account sellers besides himself. Nothing new to see here guys, move along.

I have already agreed that I posses puzzel.me , mailmansdoge ( the address 1Km9U8gY4ZNjkAoLPiicQcw33JKL9yK4wL  is linked with mailmansdoge account, you forgot to mention it). And you never asked me about stellar69 , I also posses that account but they were all bought by me cause they were being offered for cheap prices and I thought they might have a market and I might earn some profit, but I failed to sell them(for a marginal profit), and so these account kept on stinking with me and I used these accounts to get my investment(which I used to buy these accounts) back by joining signature campaigns with them, and that's where I used those addresses. Those addresses are not linked to any scam and have been just used after November/december after I bought these accounts. I now don't know that how do these things makes me a culprit of all the things that other people did?
I've been telling you all these things since the beginning and I don't anything going wrong here. Yes those all addresses are linked and are owned by me cuz those accounts are also owned by me(since the time those addresses were posted I owned those accounts) and so its obvious that if I own an account then ill use m address with it. But there is a huge difference between owning it and creating it.

Disagreed. This is a kid who's giving his boards. I have his residential address as well. Also added him on FB. If this is puzzel.me then puzzle.me has to be an Indian school kid.

PS : I do not know puzzle.me or have any recollection of what his origin story was or the fallout of his scam attempts(??), I was absent from the forum for a good amount of 2014.

Relevant PM's

This is one that I am not wrong about.

Scammers profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thebitcoinquizcom-349239

I had originally left a neutral on thebitcoinquiz.com saying that he is a potential alt of puzzel.me, because I thought I remembered reading a post somewhere in lending saying that the account was sold.

Earlier today I had received a PM from him asking me to remove the neutral, and him claiming that he purchased puzzel.me in November/December of 2014. However this did not fit the timeline of my rating against him:

The two addresses are connected via txid 34cc6c87ece57db5cc87a8c2412ced34dcbe61f852d256cb6d4b10bc3b0e19be

After I explained to him that his claim did not fit the timeline, I told him that I would need some evidence of the purchase of puzzel.me for me to remove the neutral, he told me that he deleted his old PM's and did not have it. I later explained that I only gave him a neutral because I thought his account was sold and it would be possible that he is no longer puzzel.me. He later claimed that he personally created the account and it is not a sold account and that he could sign a message proving as much.

I eventually ask him to sign a message from 12Xbr6rM6NiVGhXuf14r2jAz1royY3vAyf which he was quoted as posting here (his original post has since been edited). He replied saying that he is on his phone and cannot access his bc.i web wallet to sign a message, but could send a small amount to an address of my choice. I tell him to send a small amount to 1Ct3qb4nE3THsmHmSirP4XQqf8qn5Xf2Ad (my tipping address), which he did via txid 5b865c95e8a6a3ed64b599e1195d4a9928241f8f9ace4636410820d3aa67d71d (please view via blockchain.info - there is a public note from him)

The address 12Xbr6rM6NiVGhXuf14r2jAz1royY3vAyf also signed txid 19bf7ad467ecbc915aa1040507d4aad206097160ede048def052384f8a39c96b which was also signed by 1Km9U8gY4ZNjkAoLPiicQcw33JKL9yK4wL

The address 1Km9U8gY4ZNjkAoLPiicQcw33JKL9yK4wL also signed txid 34cc6c87ece57db5cc87a8c2412ced34dcbe61f852d256cb6d4b10bc3b0e19be which was also signed by 1BwEvWwjBTfJBBQBKPiq5i9GdS7ZxsRCqo

The address 1BwEvWwjBTfJBBQBKPiq5i9GdS7ZxsRCqo was posted here by puzzel.me. In theory the fact that thebitcoinquiz.com claimed to purchase puzzel.me in November would point to his innocence, however this is not the case.

stellar69 is tagged as being a probable alt of puzzel.me by BadBear (in mid December). This account asked for a loan on this post to be funded to 1DDpkieFmJuRAskNYzDAdDfjhFqRHAmeNk which also signed the above transaction. Not only that, but since he offered collateral, he got the loan and repaid it via txid a54650f6ce38ddd5b46606fa94d4ee0f50bfd9ec025b0dc3d259b7a2baafbd5c which he posted here and had inputs from 1DDpkieFmJuRAskNYzDAdDfjhFqRHAmeNk

edit: Also the very first post by puzzel.me is this which was a contest entitled "The Bitcoin Quiz! Win Upto 1BTC! From 5th August to 11th August "