Topic: There are 17000 anti-tank weapons in Ukraine (Read 253 times)

How is Putin an Oppressor? he started the war over the surpression and the Genocide of the Donbass people

The War has same legitimatisation as the jugoslavia war that was run against the Serbs and in Favor of the Kosovo Albanians

War can be started with a lot of planning but once it kicks out no plan works perfectly. A fighter always is a fighter no matter which condition they are in. They are used to tough conditions and adapt to every situation change very quickly. And not speaking Russian won't be a problem because I think those troops are not going to fight with RF, they will have their own commanding officers and task. Putin is an oppressor there is no denial on that but he is not behaving as hard as he was with the city like Hama, Grozny.

Syrian troops in Ukraine just shows that things aren't going as planned for Putin. But they will fight not in their own land, it's not desert, they aren't used to fight in cold forests. Another problem for them is that they don't speak Russian. And also, even russians sometimes struggle to navigate in Ukraine, same can happen to Syrians.
Ukraine can become next Syria if Putin will continue to bomb cities, what already happened in Syria. While Russia is still claiming that they attack only military objects.
I'm not only sure why do you blame West for it. Because it's not that west send these Syrians to Ukraine.

So much lie in one post. I don't know why I still waste time responding to your post. I'm not sure from where you took 3 million soldiers when they have about 1 million active soldiers. But they can't send them all to Ukraine and leave other regions uncovered.
And I still can't understand how Zelensky can be jew and nazi at the same time.

Putin will not survive once the body count reaches 200K+, on average, 1 in 200 Russian families will have someone who died in Ukraine.
That is why he is using Asians, people from southern republics, underdeveloped regions.  No Moscovites to minimize the outrage at home.

On March 16, Russian sovereign debt will go into default.  They will have 30 days to settle it to avoid the official default.
After that their currency will really start falling, he will resort to confiscating foreign assets in Russia, but that will destroy
any shreds of hope for foreign investment. Even China will probably pull out of Russia.

Ukrainians need to survive another month or two, then things will really unravel for Russia.

He thinks he can withstand all the pressure.  Well, time will tell if Russians will allow him to rape their country as well.

Putin has a large number of soldiers (certainly not even close to 3 million). However there are many reasons why he is not and cannot use them:

a) The difference between a soldier and a cannon fodder is training, supplies and leadership. Putin most likely has 20.000 tons of cannon fodder. Seriously, I did not have Putin's army in high regard, but after what I am seeing published everyday it is even worse. They seem clueless about tactics, speed or any short of organisation.

b) The problem of being a despot is that you need the army to control your territory. Send more troops into Ukraine and you risk massive revolts (just remember how the Bolshevik revolution came from the monstrosities and gigantic leadership mistakes of WW I)  

c) Putin needs to watch his back. China is a friend until it is not. Europe is peaceful until it is not. US would not send troops until they do. Weaken your army too much and you are done.

d) Putin cannot afford to many body-bags coming back home. Russians tend not to question him, but there is a limit to everything and people are starting to have many questions they cannot answer easily.

Do not die for Putin, sell your vehicles, get on a bus a live to see a new Russia some  day.

Again, you are throwing the official propaganda about Putin trying to change an unfit government. This argument is so lame that nobody in the world, including Russia believes.

putin has at least 3 million soldier at home, and his global support is growing while the global support of woke usa and woke EU is collapsing

this war is increasingly becoming a war between putin and the insane part of the western elite that supports every single jew no matter how corrupt they are (not orthodox jew)

but corrupt drug addicted comedians like Bill mar or Zelinski.

putin will win morally sooner or later and even israel will have to do a choice and start distinguishing between good and bad jews

Ukrainians killed about 15K, wounded about 35-45K, some left on foot back to Russia, and Ukrainians let them (a big mistake).

There are still probably 100K+ walking bodies but they are mostly concentrated in the south and northeast.

Ukrainians should not be taking any POWs, they need to significantly increase the Russian body count.

That is the only way this war is going to stop.  

It is sad and cruel, but any dead Russian child soldier gets Ukraine closer to victory.

Show no mercy. Kill them every time you get a clean shot.

Oh my, are you making a deliberate effort to not understand?

You were blaming this war on NATO and I am stating the obvious: it was Putin who choose to send 60 battalion groups to destroy Ukraine and choose violence because his Russia is unable to gain partners by diplomacy and seduction, they have to bomb and destroy everything that they cannot win peacefully.

Putin is the one who thinks that Ukraine is his backyard and not a country free to choose their own path. That is not NATO being hostile in any manner. Let me put your argument in plain words just so you see how stupid it is:

"Putin's has reasons to invade Ukraine because the government of Ukraine would rather choose some other partners."

Now, let's put it this way:

"Ukraine cannot choose their own destiny because if they try Putin will start killing them"

But the worst is that it was never about joining NATO, that is a lame excuse, it is about the economy and strategic importance of Ukraine's ports in the Black Sea, the fact that the gas to Europe passes by Ukraine, that they are choosing democracy, that they are looking at the European Union.

How is this anyone's fault but of Putin's cronyism and Cold War mentality?

RE Syrian troops, yes, it is propaganda. The fact that some troops are sent from Syria does not make any difference. They will most likely be used and abused either for the worst war crimes or for those operations that will endure the most loses.

They (and chechens) are not going to fight with Russian forces. They are "motivational" support - shooting Russians attempting to flee.

When did I say NATO sent 190,000 troops to Ukraine? They are not overthrowing anything but they are fighting the invader indirectly and sent mercenary troops to fight by the side of Ukraine's regular forces.


Putin's demand was that Ukraine not join NATO. It seems the hero of Ukraine also agreed upon these terms after seeing NATO's back stub.


Syria recruiting troops from its military to fight with Russian forces in Ukraine. Still think its a propaganda?

You mean NATO sent 190.000 troops into Ukraine? You mean NATO declared that they were to overthrown a their government and take Ukraine's land? I have news for you: that was Putin.

What did you think it was going to happen when he took that decision? In your dreams Ukraine would surrender immediately and they would all be one happy family?

On regards to Syrian veterans (mere propaganda), they are no different when an RPG get's them so I want to make my offer extensive to them: 100 USD per armoured vehicle in good conditions.

 Do not die for Putin.

And many still fighting there. These Syrian troops could die in Ukraine but this type of military allowance is opening the door for Ukraine to be the next Syria. We have seen how people with different believe and aim fought with each other in Syria. Now west and east are doing the same thing in Ukraine. Let's think that this war ended after another week but you really think all these different groups of mercenaries and terrorists will leave Ukraine so easily? They will use the soil of Ukraine and its instability to do damage in other EU countries. West just bring crocodiles by digging the tunnel.

Ok, can you offer solution how to end war? Diplomacy, negotiations simply don't work because Russiaisn't willing to talk. Sanctions don't help much too. I think that EU isn't doing enough to help Ukraine, but sending weapons is still better than doing nothing and leaving Ukraine completely alone.

Peoiple said same thing when Russia send chechen Kadyrovets troops, but many of them simply turned into meat in Ukraine.

Sounds totally legit

What happened to the army of 200 thousand?

Most of these NATO weapons will be in hands of RF or their supported militia. Today I saw there are 16000 Syrian veterans coming to Ukraine by the side of Russia who has plenty of experience to deal with this western weapon. NATO is making Ukraine the next Syria. Turkey also brings a group of terrorists who will fight by the side of Ukraine. All these years western countries were fighting all over the world to eliminate terrorists to bring peace. Now they are bringing those terrorist into the soil of Europe. This conflict will not only be on Ukraine. Those extremists will cause a problem for other EU countries too.

So it's totally understandable that they have strong motives and that's why Ukraine will not surrender anytime soon! They will fight until the very last man stands. People should realize that Ukrainians defend their sovereignty, their families, and their homes. Our solidarity lies in our commitment to peace, humanity, and democratic values! It won't be possible for Putin to justify himself with words, and he will be held responsible for destruction.

Keeping Ukraine in my prayers every night.
THIS WAR MUST END!

17,000 anti-tank weapons?

I don't understand the ideology of this war. I can see that Ukraine is not fighting this war, they are only defending their country and anti-tanks are to counter tank weapons right? Why not helping countries provide Ukraine arms to fight Russian. In football, they say the best form of defence is attacking.
If Russian is being attacked, they will not have much liberty to be bombing Ukraine, they will use some of their powers to also defend themselves, which could calm the war.

Of course! Much better to send an assortment of flowers and paradise birds that will turn away Putin's invasion forces with the help of the Unicorns and the Fairies of the Lake.

The most peaceful and sensible option is my offer to buy the tanks. Nobody dies, war stops, I get some profit and maybe one day a Peace Nobel Price for finding the best solution for everyone.

RIP tanks LOL. I guess this could be enough deterrent for Russia? What about SAMs, do Ukraine already have some? What is the state of Russia's Air Force?


This is too close to them so they'd be a lot more careful. If Ukraine falls, the next in line is Poland, which is a NATO member. If it ever get to that point, then it'll be a world war since this would trigger all the members to declare war in defense of Poland. They'd have to stop this conflict right in Ukraine - if they really want to prevent it.

It seems that the West will turn Ukraine into a second Afghanistan or Syria..
Instead of providing a solution by taking diplomacy, they provide more weapons which will only make the situation worse in Ukraine.

Despite the numerous tanks sent i still believe they must have some left behind because they cant just risk their own region into vulnerability in terms of security alertness, don't be surprised that more can still be left unused and kept for reservation, the tactics in war is in batches and not at once.

A big concern for me is the number of persons that will loose their lives for this cause, 17000 tanks, wow! Why not push for peace and an end to the conflict instead of the EU arming more persons in Ukraine to go to war. The war cannot go on for ever, so why not try to end it now rather than encouraging it to continue with 17000 anti tank weapons, This is an irregularity to me.

They need to save them.  As this goes on, they might need them for Crimea and Donbas.

This is far from over.  They need to inflict 10 times the damage they already inflicted on Putin's army,
i.e. 100K+ dead soldiers, 3000 tanks, 400 fighter jets/helicopters, 10,000 armored vehicles, etc.

I think the critical thing is they should stop taking too many POWs.  
Instead, they should kill as many enemy combatants as fast as they possibly can.  This will create a problem for Putin at home.

And the opposition will grow to stop this Brotherly Unification.

I am so angry at this. Apparently, the EU has sent another shipment of anti-tank weapons for an accumulated total of 17,000. This means that there must be in excess of 50 antitank per each of the tanks and vehicles Putin sent.

Why I am angry? Am I supporting Putin? No! I am angry because at this pace I won't be able to find any tank in good condition (nor anyone to sell it to me) as I offered in my thread:

I BUY RUSSIAN TANKS - 100 USD in bitcoin

Do not die for Putin. Go back home.