Topic: there is one thing onely that can save the usa dollar (Read 440 times)

After all, war can at least unite people and it's just about bringing one group and another group together for war so of course anyone will come together to defend what is being voiced, it is not about the peaceful unification that few people hope for. Indeed, war will inevitably occur and will not be avoided, because the warming of the economy itself and this crisis will probably become a trigger for peace that can no longer be sustained because there is already a lot of chaos everywhere.

The US dollars is weakening and many people do not become aware on it, actually our local currency rate increase in these past days and it is a sign that the US dollar is weakening. Maybe one of the factors is the huge supply of the printed money in their economy, last months ago the FED printed more than $1 trillion in order to prevent the dying economy of the U.S. Yes they prevented it but the consequences is now happening where there is huge supply in economy. Rulers maybe a factor but still it is not the main factor, anyway the economy of the U.S is currently recovering so for sure that there will be also effect to their currency.

I do not agree with the general idea that the only thing that can save the US dollar is a war that is exposed by the OP, however it is well known that politicians have used wars to try to improve the domestic economy of their countries and improve their images as well, the US is going through a tremendous social crisis that is difficult to understand, a war could seem as an excuse to try to bring people back together and support the government no matter what, but to me this is a very naive thought but politicians things like that.

So it is entirely possible that we could see a new armed conflict in which the US gets involved but instead of helping bring people back together I think this is only going to alienate people even further.

I don't think so, war is not the solution on the problems of the USA right now. It may get worse because many innocent people are likely to be affected. Many people have already died from covid 19 and why would the americans still want to have a war, many of them suffered from pandemic and they will just add misery to their people.

So?
Does that change the fact that it's a failed state?
You want facts, let's have facts

GDP per capita 11,162, on par with the poorest of the EU, Romania 12,482 and Bulgaria 9,518, 6 times lower than the US at  65,111
Life expectancy, 72.4, same as Bangladesh at 72.3 or  Suriname 71.6, far below the European Union average at   81.2
Crime? Homicide rate of 8.21, like Gabon at 8.04 or Ethiopia at 7.56, almost double the US average at 4.96, and not even comparing it to Germany at 0.95 or Italy at 0.57

What more facts you want?
You can have all the natural resources you want, it's still a failed state for its citizens. Japan has none Brazil has tons of it, which would you chose?
Russia has only oil and nuclear weapons, that's the harsh reality, that's why millions have fled from it for a better life.

are you sure about Russia??? 

russia have natural resources,europe is number one user of russia natural resources!
you sure you have facts right here``?

And if you look at the value of gold vs oil you can see that oil is collapsing.
And if you look at the value of gold vs [btc , surprise is BTC that is collapsing.
You're taking a small timeframe and declared a collapse, Apple stock collapse a decade ago from 24$ to 12$, was that the end of the company?

Goldbugs have one mantra, every time gold spikes a bit it's the end of the world as we know it, no matter how many times this never happened in the past, this time it will.


Russia is already a failed state, once oil goes down everything goes after it, it has become of such little importance in an economic perspective nobody cares about them anymore.
As for China, people got bored with data from China, everything that comes out of there must have the acceptance of the CCP, everything in those numbers is so fake you have nothing to strat with.


Oil, gas, land, and a lot of food.
The US is a net food exporter while China is a net food importer, the US can survive on its own, China can't.

Actually if there was nothing wrong with the politicians and USA had like dreamy politicians that does feel like surreal but just "did what they suppose to" as in just serve public and nothing more and that's it, USA dollar would have been so valuable that we would be effected as bitcoin people because bitcoin price would go down.

In reality the only reason any currency goes down is failure of the rulers, this is not just dollars, in any part of the world when one fiat becomes less valuable that is 100% guaranteed because of governments acting to make themselves more powerful and rich while not caring a single bit about the people around them. I do not know how we could ever stop that but that is really just what it suppose to be in the start and somehow it is not anymore.

what does the usa have anything else useful for sustaneble living for their own people ?

usa dollars? and army ?   what else?

The thing is even we got a lot of latest equipment in medication we can't still have a vaccine right away, but I agree if there comes out a vaccine a quick release of it will ease the economy slowly since it is the most affected ones after life. And honestly, this is what I'm asking of, why are we getting long time to create a vaccine for this? I mean we already have SARS and MERS-COV back then, and covid-19 belongs to the same family of the virus, so it will be easy for them to mutate the vaccine for those, isn't it? and why are we talking about war? we are already in a war with an enemy that we barely see.

HOPEFULLY    War between countries is unnecessary, if Trump wants more death over the coronavirus (130,+++) then we all be in trouble.

funny but look at the china and russia economy the inflation there is even higher then in usa
and nobody dont talk about russia and china?

or im wrong??

War does not always have to be in the form of combat or gun wars. There is a trade war like the one between America and China or a pandemic which is assumed to be a biotechnology war. There is talk that in some time Trump will be waging a currency war. As we all know, the dollar dominates world trade and is used as a tool to stabilize the national currency. So many countries depend on the dollar. So that America, who owns the dollar, can use the dollar as a weapon to suppress and fight against other countries. In a very light stage, the embargo carried out by the United States is enough to confuse many countries. Moreover, if America reset the value of the dollar, many countries with a deficit in their trade balance and small foreign exchange reserves would be badly hit.

As Henry Kissinger thought, you control food, you control people, you control the energy you control the nation. If you control currency you control the world, you control health you control life.

You can do the same analysis with any other currency, the USD is losing value over time. Since the FED has shown no intention in stopping printing money (especially int hese last few months), one can assume that this situation will not change in the near future.

i really dont think war is the solution from this. why not speedy release of vaccine to the public? we already have sophisticated instruments, gadgets, equipment, that can help in accelerated development of this vaccine. and hopefully before the end of this year, the vaccine will be available to everyone. if most of us can get back to our work, the economy will be live again. and that war, is not really a good solution!

In that case, you could argue that gold was collapsing from 2011-2015. I would say both are exaggerations.

What is probably really happening: U.S. Bond Markets Are Driving Force Behind the New Gold Rush

Near-zero and even negative yields in the US bond market are driving investors away from the USD. Meanwhile, the combination of Fed QE, fiscal stimulus, and inflation fears are driving risk assets like precious metals, equities, and BTC to the moon.

If you look at the value of USD vs gold you can argue that the collapse is ongoing.

Apart from the endless war on terrorism (in which the US takes part on both sides), there are no other wars anymore and they are not expected in the near future, for sure. This is because a) no one needs wars b) the wrong time.
Even China isn't stupid enough to start a war. In the future, I think we will have a conflict for our favorite "black" continent, but for now, surely no

It can be the only solution but it will be catastrophic one and it will affect the whole world.

We are already suffering from the pandemic and now you are saying that wars are the only way for the USD to save. Can you site some reasons or proofs that this is the only way that can save USD?? Right now we are in the digital era and the US can recover from these the digital way. It isn't the wars that will help them but something that can be done digitally. Maybe some hacking or anything that is digital related. I'm not saying that this is the way but just an assumption.

Thanks for you kind words though Mr. Jr. Member
#sarcasm

I don't understand why war is the only solution that you have think to save the US economy? Do you know if the US would start a war a lot of countries would get affected and the situation could get worst. So the best way to save the US is make a vaccine, and governments and citizens should work together to stopped the active numbers of virus cases.

A war is the method of choice for 200 years, why step away from it? The USA don´t even have to win, I mean, when was the last time the USA won a war? Vietnam no , Afghanistan, no. They should fight Europe, that would be an easy win. If they mess with China, they will lose, that´s for certain. They really need to think about something to get out of this debt economy cycle

You don't have a very good knowledge of Economics I suppose if you think the only way out for the United States is war right? The war will only worsen the state of things both inside the country (very shaky) and outside. If the United States starts a "small victorious war" it will lead to General censure and even greater decline rather than to a return to normal. Do you even understand what you said?

Yep, it was extremely important to the Fed to prop up the equity and crude oil markets. A weak dollar facilitates exactly that, which almost makes me wonder if there is more to this narrative than meets the eye.

I agree with you, more or less. I still find Raoul Pal's "dollar wrecking ball" theory for debt deflation to be fairly persuasive. https://twitter.com/RaoulGMI/status/1254110879479746562

Timing it is damn near impossible though.

It is known that historically wars have been used by those in power to consolidate their power and obtain profits, this is nothing really new and are many instances of this happening, however if that is truly what you think then why you don't tell us which will be the right opponent for the US? Because while there is little doubt the US has superiority when it comes to the technology aspect of any war, one of the most important aspects is for the leaders of the country to have the will of their people to go to war.

Do you really think that the US which is facing a pandemic, an economic crisis and a social crisis so deep that is questioning their own values as a nation that they have what it's needed to win a foreign war? Because for what I see I don't think the US citizens are willing to go to war right now.

Caps, fat fingers and an autocorrect that somehow recognize URSS rather than USSR as a valid name are to blame.   And of course...not paying attention before hitting post!


I'm 40+, I was raised in a communist country, I've seen and heard this bs about the failure of the US since I was a 6yo kid when they dressed me up and put a flag in my hand to wave at our great leaders, while the whole country was on foodstamps in the '80es,  nearly till I finished high school.


This is a bit ironic, I couldn't stop myself smiling reading this.
You know, the dollar was more sought during communism here than it's now without it, and it's the same in other countries in Europe that have not switched to the Euro, the more the talk about the imminent collapse the more valuable and harder to get it become, and it's all because that if we ignore the people that all day are predicting collapses and dooms and famine and god knows what the majority in this world trust the green notes. I've seen this in my short trips to Asia and Northern Africa, there is an exchange in every village there is always a hotel and a restaurant that will accept directly $, people that don't care about zerohedge, people that know the notes can be exchanged at ease for anything valuable.

I think this is not the first time you mentioned URSS. I assume you are referring to USSR every time?

Anyway, I agree that all these talks of the USD falling out of value has been around for decades. But it seems to me-- a highly unreliable spectator at that-- that the US is generally doing well despite of it all.

I don't know how old you are but I've watched documentaries of the US of old and old interviews and in those videos it was quite common to hear people casually alluding to a falling USD, a sovereign currency which was perceived to be losing its power sooner rather than later. But until now all I can see is a strong USD which is still the most powerful global reserve currency at 62%, the green currency which my countrymen have been longing to hold all their lives, the money which people are setting as a sort of an ultimate goal that they are willing to let go of their families and their managerial jobs in exchange for dirty jobs for the sake of its value, and so on.

I know war is costly in so many aspects but a full blown war at this nuclear era is going to be devastating to every single country involved. And I suppose the cost-benefit of it has already been carefully studied by those at the top. And the result of which is probably one of the reasons why the US is resorting to relatively small yet very profitable domestic and regional wars. These are not even wars; these are more like a modern and subtle way of annexation or invasion which have economic underpinnings more than anything else.

The usual recycled URSS propaganda now regurgitated by everyone who wants to blame somebody else for his own failures.
The capitalist pigs will be slaughtered and their economy will fall unless they will finance a costly war with their bankrupt economy...fuck logic! And this BS comes over and over again, the US will save its economy with a war, how...that is not something the average Joe has knowledge about as it implies economics, not studies in reptilian cosmology. The war in Iraq was something at around 2.5 trillion if we price the barrel of oil at 50$ at the start of the war that's 50 billion barrels of oil or 200 years of production, although most of the exploitation is done by Russia and China right now but who would bother with those, we all know USA invaded Irak to steal its oil. /s

That aside, I've been hearing about the collapse of the dollar since I was born, I've heard of it at the start of the century, I've kept hearing about it when my child was born and the way things are going my grandchild will hear about this when he will tell stories to his own grandchildren.

You mean this is just temporary and you're expecting a dollar recovery soon?

The USD actually isn't getting weaker across the board. It's steady against Asian currencies and is actually strong against high yield emerging market currencies. It's primarily developed-market currencies, especially the EUR, that's driving down the DXY right now. I assume this is related to COVID-19 and the disparity between the recovery in the US and that of elsewhere.

So it's been especially rough for emerging markets. For them, the dollar is actually strong the past few months, which makes them vulnerable to inflating dollar-denominated debt. The pandemic-related decline in growth makes it a double whammy. Their inability to print money like developed countries makes the disparities even worse.

Wow men You just said it Right!!!
What's your Back ground like really.... You should be teaching About economy!


Yes USA is not sacrafice economy and people like europe is doing they keep euro Strong by Control the money supply and high taxes euro is that way artificial way Strong.

War isn't a solution for the America to get the dollar strength, what they need is a solution for their economy, as you have said the  current international investors are moving away from dollars. They need an economic solution and that is not by war to get, besides they are always in war with Iraq. And thinking that there is China and Russia on the opposite side, America is quite in danger for these two, and just to tell you with the modernized weapon that every country has got, America knows that it will be the end of the world if 1 or 2 nuclear is launched to target a country, the purpose of their dollar strengthening will come in dust.

Trump only needs one or two days for the handling of corona with the discourse to banned the application TikTok. Banned TikTok will not have a significant impact on China. Trump does need a justification to postpone the election and the only possible reason is the war against the common enemy. Trump is also mimicking China's propaganda strategy. With propaganda, Trump said that the cause of the American recession was China, the cause of death in America was China, the cause of many unemployment in America was China because China was the spreader of the Wuhan Flu. The aim is to create a military emergency issue or situation in order to delay the November 2020 election.

Okay then so That's Why the Trump said will ban the tiktok to have tiktok  shares with cheap Price?

Who is moving away from USA? Stock market is doing good there and also there are talks about they are going to buy Tiktok if the app have to work there by Microsoft and lot of positive things for USA.

Okay but You Tell me what is the Solution? 

Have you Got the better idea?

The hyper inflation is highest and That's normal to start War Once the Country Goes in debt at least they will fight.


The War is natural thing in life we been Living all Beyond Our means now the bubble will pop and War is Logical way

You are really delusional plus I am ashamed to say that a person is literally asking for a war to break out !!

War is not good for anyone !!

If you do think after a war by destroying small countries the US would fluorish , you are very very wrong and do need to understand the value of human lives !! Killing people , loosing peace it would be the last thing that should ever take place.

War is never the answer ! NEVER.

Nothing will save US if there are people who think like you . I am sure that you voted for Trump !! This is not how a economy works .

It's dependent on people , Government , good relationships between the countries. What the dollar needs is support and by killing someone you cannot get that ever.

Seriously? War will never be the answer,

I know that war will help them gain more power as they can expand their territories and rights if they will be able to win among others. But this should never be consider as one of the options as this will never give any good not only to us but also to them. The dollar is weak right now, but as this pandemic will end, sooner or later, the dollar will probably take the lead again as where it is before.

The dollar is weak, and definitely in a mid-term bearish trend, but let's get some perspective about this. The drop in the DXY looks exactly like the one in 2017. Still trading within a very familiar range:



Is the DXY headed for the 80s? Probably. Is it the end of the world? Nope.....

Before some uneducated dude says that the US is bad, capitalism is bad, the dollar is bad (but his religion is great, lol), USD is just a medium of exchange, and it doesn't need a savior. It will move because of the market mechanism (supply and demand). War will devalue USD even more, so no sane person will go to war without any substantial gain.

In the past, we had WW2 because Hitler is insane.

War is never an answer to any problems here in our world.
There's no advantages that can happen when countries started a war, it will just cause a wide and huge damage to humanity, economy, and all aspects of life.

How come war is the USA's last hope towards saving US dollar? If war happens, all currencies will become useless and valueless. No matter how rich you are, you will just lose your money including your life if countries destroy each other for the sake of dominance.

Like a cold war, yes, possibly it will become more effective for both of the country to strengthen their technology and economy.

By war? Fair enough, it makes sense somehow because the we can presume that the winner of it (USA in this case) will take over the losing country. Thus, will have the control on all of its manpower, assets etc. and they can also introduce their currency for them to use it. However, engaging in war does not give you a flawless victory. There's no such thing as that because nobody knows exactly the capabilities of the opposing country. Of course they will spend lots of money on their arsenal so the question is, Is that even worth it? Nah, I don't think so. Simply because it's negative side is always greater than the good one. Just like what Neville Chamberlain said, "In war, whichever call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers".
Every country got their own agendas. Some are willing to help, some are dormant and some are opportunistic. Now you may realized that our world is not based in your or even our ideals. It is what it is and I'm not happy about it .

Yes, wars are relatively events that give out resources to the winning party, and we all know how US can pretty much dominate any small to middle countries with relative ease, and as for countries on its level, it'd probably only take time, but let's be real here, the only thing they would be doing is losing more resources as it is already. Last hope? Probably, if they want to ruin their country entirely. I actually don't think that even with wars could US save their dollar. Even if they were pushed to again sell their bonds to foreign investors though, a war would probably not happen. They've already experienced such events in the past with the 2007, so I doubt they wouldn't know what to do to prevent that plus, even if they were willing to sell, only a select few could buy them due to each country having its own problems with regards to the economy.

Its reasonable to argue that contraction relates to dollar strength as most assets are settled in a dollar market.     However dollar debt relies on friendly relations, Japan owns 1 trillion of USA debt and similarly for most of the world including China even Russia I believe does hold dollar denominated debt which means bad relations and forced selling is likely not help Dollar especially.    Alot of people think war or conflict can help USD because they have the largest army and also a large amount of productivity in arms retail, ultimately of course war is not profitable but business is due to comparative advantage.    USA needs to close its trade deficit, theres your solution in plain demand in exchange for goods produced.

Would you please us tell why a war would be the US Dollar's last hope?

The US has been involved in several domestic and regional wars already. I cannot tell whether or not their involvement in those wars are helping their currency gain value. What I can tell, for sure, is that it has created the country's image as a meddler of other sovereign countries' domestic issues.

Like seriously, its the last hope of USA?
I don't think so. War is not the solution to this severe crisis that the whole world is facing right now. Yes, USA is the leading country on the world meter pool having the highest cases, but I still believe that they will make it through, just like the other Countries who are now covid-19 free. USA has a lot of unlimited resources in all forms. And they should, they will find a way to revive their economy and regrow the Country.
For me, instead of focusing to start war, why not focus on creating a vaccine as cure for this virus? And keep staying home if its not necessary to go out.
Peace be with you, stay safe 💕

foregin investors getting off the usd, usa dont like this!


there is only one thing what can save the usa dollar its a war the usa last hope.

the war if its start it will start before the  covid second wave crisis.