Topic: THEY SAY HE'S TROLLIN THEY HATIN ..................This is a serious matter !!!! (Read 1059 times)

Ha, I like it too. I mean where would be the fun in bct without people like them making false allegations that they find impossible to substantiate over and over again. Or demonstrating observable double standards and all rewarding each other for observably untrustworthy actions whilst trying to punish others who are guilty of way way less.
My fav when they spout ludicrous crap in public and then don't admit it was a mistake and keep repeating it ...haha

I like these abusers keep coming to you CH,dont stop to what you are doing these people's time will come and im sure im with you.
Its like you are pointing out someone and all of the gang will come at you once,keeps me believing that there is such thing as hierarchy in this place.

@cryptohunter asked for more details, so I replaced my gif with a higher quality one. Am I detailed enough yet?

I still enjoy a good book although I recently moved house and moving my library was almost as much pain as reading one of cryptocunts posts

haha the ladiez are all here again, panting away hard for cryptohunters attention.

Never read, don't give a fuck, on ignore, never replying on his threads again, he's so stupid but I can't find any examples, I hate (that I can't breed with) him, he smells (lovely i bet) sniff sniff


haha I love you guys. Please keep bumping my threads and NOT reading, not giving a fuck, keeping me on ignore, never replying in my threads, not finding any examples of your false claims, hating, loving....

I can't imagine life without you babez. I just need lauda herself in here next then we'll really be rocking.

Anyway back on topic girlz. Or perhaps you were just giving text book trolling examples?

I think some people read, but it can be dangerous for health.

I highlighted and right-clicked that ...just for a chuckle...

No

You and me both. (and probably everyone else who bothers clicking on op's threads for shitz n giggles)

Who reads books these days... It should be a conspiracy blog on geocities with a fake visitor counter.

Does anyone actually read these walls of text? Maybe you should just start writing fiction books instead, you might get more readers than this shit gets

@tuffman

you seem to have missed the challenges that I set you to substantiate your (false) claims. If you can not then please refrain from proliferating false information since that falls under trolling according to the drill down in the rules.

@SS Some quotes here from you in blue

I'll avoid dragging this off topic by just addressing two differences of opinion that we have, and simply stating that because of them, our viewpoints are different. First, I disagree that red trust is intended to be solely for scamming or strongly likely to scam.

Theymos has recently posted that would be a good idea and that if people don't start falling in line with his intentions for red trust then perhaps some action may at last be taken.

I am of the opinion that the reason there aren't explicit rules for what you can and can't leave for feedback, is because needs of the users here evolve. For example, plagiarism spam is a fairly new thing, if not for the fact that it directly opposed moderation goals here, it may have been left alone in the same way that account selling is. If plagiarism spam was allowed by the rules, perhaps it would warrant negative feedback. These are decisions that individuals decide to make, and the community can either choose to agree with them or ignore them.

That's fine but they are not essentially related to scamming or strongly intending to scam.
Traders need to be able to rely on that SCORE to see if they will be getting scammed or not or taking a high risk trading with such a user. The score itself becomes useless if it then starts to be polluted with non scamming issues like lemon love or if people have received negative trust for simply presenting observable events in a person history here.  The score is now useless and you need to review every single review and bring a calculator because if you can get NEGATIVE trust for highlighting that people lie and cheat - then you now need to start using that as a POSITIVE score in terms of scams and getting scammed. Let that sink in a bit. This DT system is now being used as an distrust system haha. So like getting a negative for telling the truth about people lying in a distrust system obviously makes you less likely to scam haha


We also have a major difference of opinion regarding what is considered incorrect information, and willful spreading of it. Saying, I intend to buy 10,000 BTC at $10,000 each tomorrow, so buy now! If I have no intention of doing so, is about the extent of what I'd consider intentionally spreading fake information (typically for personal gain). Anything that is processed by the human brain is skewed by previous experiences, personal beliefs, whatever, and needs some sort of special consideration when you say its incorrect or willful lying. I draw these stupid analogies like with the lemons for the sake of trying to bridge as many misunderstandings as possible. Lets say I'm arguing with someone that the sky is blue, and they think its orange. They may have never seen a blue sky before, might be color blind, taught color names incorrectly, or are misunderstanding what I intended the question to mean, perhaps they think I'm talking about the evening sky. People are willing to argue over whether the earth is flat or not, if you get too involved in it, you'll waste way too much time fighting with people who really don't matter in your life.


Well yes of course you can inhibit yourself from making any sensible system that would be useful for 99.99% of the population if you have to allow rules that encompass the people that have been taught (and for some reason were never corrected during their entire life time|) that blue was in fact orange and that evil was good and that water was dry and thought eating a lemon makes you turn into a scammer on the spot?

 I feel you can cripple any useful system if you start allowing for the nano % of the population who just happen to be hyper weird  a little different. I mean this touches on the argument other DT's were using for needing to leave the systems of control wide open to their abuse personal points of view.

 I say better to have a USEFUL system that is going to serve 99.99% of the population well than a system that is useless. I find this argument you present almost verging on suchmoon levels of reason.

Related to the topic at hand, these are the reasons that I think all but the most extreme cases of "trolling" don't really matter. If someone's behavior is unreasonably obstructing everyone else, they are politely asked to leave by the moderation staff by means of a ban message.

 Anyone that falls into any other category should be handled with an ignore button. If a person is on everyone else's ignore list, they probably should, and probably will be asked to leave. Not to make any of this personal, as I don't care about any spats you've had with other members. I perceive the motivation of your topics on the matter as having to do with them, which is why I mention it at all. You or the other parties are not currently obstructing the forum for all other uses, you are just annoying each other. That probably means that neither parties has to be asked to leave for trolling, spreading fake information, or whatever. Just use the ignore function and carry on.

If people consistently get into debates defending their untrustworthy and unfair actions that they have taken for financial gain at the cost of the board in real terms.  After they lose and lose and lose these debates, they may decide to ignore the person demonstrating their foul deeds. Their stooges and goons may also try to argue and debate but they lose obviously too because observable events are not something you can talk your way out of. If they all have a person on ignore and they also keep making false statements that the person is trolling them( when he only presents observable events) then it stands to reason that person is net positive and should not only NOT be banned they should be given a position of trust and power so that they can free the board from net negative and untrustworthy persons. Since they and only they were objective and strong enough to stand against them.

It is quite possible that innocent parties, or those just too afraid to stand against a gang of observable untrustworthy individuals that do have the power to damage their accounts will remain silent or be temped to join them as they perceive this is the sensible option. To me that no longer means they are innocent if they are knowingly supporting untrustworthy people and supporting their maintaining controlling positions.

The only reason I respond to topics like this at all, is because you are asking for a change in moderation policy, and I'm arguing that we need as few policies based on uncertain terms as possible. Interpersonal relationships are best not monitored by the forum staff. I'm probably biased here, but I think the rules in place are sufficient, and the tools provided to forum users are almost flexible enough to deal with any situation that doesn't require moderator action. If you are able to even understand my reasoning for the points we disagree on, even if you do disagree, that lends to my point that we'd be asking for new rules based on things that not everyone is in agreement over.

The tools in place that are provided to the forum users are broken. This is observable clearly by just realising it is entirely possible using these tools to cast someone as untrustworthy for encouraging other members to view observable events. It is completely stupid and useless. The tools are not given to "forum users" the tools are given to SOME forum users to share only to those they know will collude with them in pushing their flexible (depending on how it benefits them at the time) agendas.

 For instance you may see a gang member advertise their account for sale and get no red trust from their DT pals, where as they will rush to red trust anyone "non" gang affiliated for simply advertising to sell their account. Or you may see a user get red trust for simple encouraging others to review a gang members post history. That's without obviously getting into  the "tool" of merit that is now DT anyway which I think is even more abused for which there is NO comeback except if you are going up against the gang, then they can have your merits removed even in the post is more merit worthy than most of the net negative trash they give merit for (which is usually politically motivated) or just blatant merit abuse.

I think trolling as per the rules (wilfully spreading incorrect information repeatedly when asked to stop) in more beneficial that what you say trolling is which I agree is basically meaningless because it does totally depend on your point of view or what you understand the facts of the matter to be. So best keep the rules as they.

Voicing an alternative opinion which actually does have more substantial evidence to support it in terms of observable events than the currently favoured opinion (by those who benefit by sticking to that opinion) is not trolling it is simply a net positive post that is trying to assist reaching the optimal outcome.

Sorry for the delay I was messing about yesterday and having a good time. I feel better after a good nights rest and not going to indulge too much for a few days.

I mean I would have liked to keep it as a broad debate and not let it descend straight back into personal examples, attacks etc but since the local rules mean nothing to dt or merit sources nor even mods obviously (unless the gang makes local rules and you break them then all your truthful on topic and relevant posts are vapourised instantly)

TLDR

that's a shame, increase your attention span or stay ill informed for the rest of your lives.





 

Someone please buy laudasbitches.com and host that cat picture.

What the fuck.. you can’t have any friends....

Patience patience my dear Tman.

For those that don't know Tman (the lucky ones) let me give him a proper introduction.

1. An extortionist with his pals Lauda and Owlcatz  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/laudatmanminifrijironmarvel2owlcatz-extortion-attempt-1764757
trying to screw some btc out of some dude by calling up his mom hahaha - how low can people sink...hahah hide your grandmas haha

2. His team mate lauda also just got lucky whilst using other peoples money in his latest escrow scheme
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lauda-minerjones-blazed-missing-escrow-funds-4895354

3. He is a self confessed trust abuser  - I told him once he can't red trust for  listing observable events and facts demonstrating his pal laudas lies and other observable foul deeds. He replied " I can, Will and just have  "  .......... and then they said...... free speech is doing just fine here........ahahahha

4. He says that using abusive language (towards persons that previously abuse you) is worthy of red trust because it means you are mentally unstable. Then he jumps into a tirade of sexual deviant filth and abuse that has no grounding. When I challenged him at all he runs away. I find out that he is quite infamous for swearing and using foul language. Not that I mind at all but where is his red trust?? Oh that's right he is a DT and one of the most trusted people on the board. hahahahahhahhahahaahhhah

5. Has a ton of cycled merits .......but watch this..... Tman can you present here some of your original thought inspiring posts so I can take a look at these master pieces.   hahahahahaha

6. Tman can you present also whilst you're (not) at it.... some examples of the debates/arguments that I've lost?


........and then Tman said........ you can be banned for ignoring my local rules...................hahahahhahahahhhaha  that's okay TMAN I don't mind you breaking my local rules on this occasion since it just allows me to restate the disgusting tactics and actions of you and your bunch of dirty friends.

Sorry this "loser" is just a tad busy enjoying the advantages of being exceedingly wealthy whilst you tell tales to peoples moms and dads if they don't hand you and your extortionist friends some btc scraps ....haha

No wonder your evil little ears pricked up do you have some bot that listens out for the word " extortion" or something. lol

So you see that although I have the odd 10 mins here and there to toy with you, I have not yet had the time spare to make a more involved reply to someone that is not such an imbecile so required a little more effort and time.

I am currently busy but let's face it this matter has been unchanged since the boards inception, so another day or whatever is not going to seem too long.

Thanks tman, please come back when you can. I'm happy to let you use my threads to spam your gambling sig for some btc dust..... every little helps and it is another grandma that is not getting strange phone calls from desperate dregs of humanity.





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 this was sent to my email... might have just been a gag but I will post here for others to make up their minds.

Dear cryptohunter

I want to help you out mate.. So I will send you the printout from our agencies wire tap...


Someones Granny = hello?
TMAN= Hey punk, don't fuck with me, your grandson jimmy has been a pajeet ponzi prick and now I want all your bitcoins right now.
Someones Granny = Is that you jimmy
TMAN=  DEAF YOU OLD BAT, I'M GONNA STICK A CARROT UP YOUR CHIMNEY PIPE
Someones Granny = Is that the green grocers ?
TMAN= I don't understand what is happening...I'll call you back, you window licking old creep.
Lauda= What?
TMAN= Hi Lauda this is not going to work out.
Lauda= Oh it's you TMAN... what an unpleasant surprise. What is not going to work out?
TMAN= You know that Abortion plan you were talking about ...the ponzi guy where we are going to dox his mothers bitcoins away?
Lauda= What have you done now you miscreant ?
TMAN= I tried the abortion plan out early, I need to get some bitcoins. My ten skanky kids need some new tattoos. One is going to get an extortion next week ....they breed like rats in my house . 3 already live in the shed.
Lauda= I wish your mother had decided to have an extortion.... What did jimmy say anyway?
TMAN= I've not spoken to him yet. I found out his grandmas phone number, cut out the mother - don't need any middlemen like you always say, told that old bird to give us her bitcoins. Also if I have to get heavy then I'd rather uppercut his granny cos I'm so fucking hard.
Lauda= That's not how this extortion works. You tell jimmy that we will doxxx him and tell his mom and dad what he's been doing, and we will doxxx them also if he does not give us his bitcoins. His old granny does not know what bitcoins are...you window licking spaz.
TMAN= What is doxxx again?
Lauda= It means we reveal where they live and who they are.
TMAN= So I call jimmy first now and threaten to tell him where his grandparents live if  he does not give us his bitcoins?
Lauda= No you inbred imbecile!! THE OTHER WAY AROUND. We tell jimmy th....
TMAN= aha I see now that makes more sense. I'll make you proud this time Lauda. BYE MASTER.
Lauda= Tman .,.,,Tman.....tman are you there.. oh fuck....nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Jimmy= Hello?
TMAN= Enough of the pleasantries scum bag. You better listen carefully or I'm gonna shove a cabbage where the sun don't shine mate.
Jimmy= In my garage?
TMAN= Yes right in the garage mate...imagine that. So send me your bitcoin address right fucking now pajeet swine - make it snappy or I WONT tell your grandparents where they live.
Jimmy= you want my bitcoin address???
TMAN= Stop asking so many question and stop playing dumb with me or I'll jam a parsnip in your pantry and tell you what my real name is and where I live. You won't be laughing then will ya.
Jimmy=err okay then mate hold on please don't send too many please please...74nti43ijt3gxxxfno3ijtrno......
TMAN= I don't even know how to spell mercy stop begging...Can you say that more slowly please
Jimmy=sure....74n
TMAN= so 47 what was that other one?
Jimmy= how about I email it to you it will be quicker ?
TMAN= shut up prick, well...okay email me [email protected]
Jimmy= Sending now. Let me know when you get it mate and if there is anything else I can help you with. Do you want my ETH address too? what about LTC or doge would those be useful??
TMAN= I'll be doing the sending around here pajeet loser.
Owlcatz= Hello?
Lauda= Did you talk about that extortion plan we had to that div Tman?
Owlcatz= I think that was you lauda after you took your ......errr vitamins the other night and were dancing around with your pants on your head. When you told tman you loved his ugly little face and gave him your laptop with your bitcoins on to play his barbie flash games.
Lauda= fuck it  fuck it... okay okay anyway got a new plan ......how does a share of 3000Bch sound to your demented little mind?
Owlcatz= what kind of share
Lauda= your usual 0.01% - you can give tman a big portion out of your small end hahahah
Owlcatz = or just not mention it to him?
Lauda= that was a joke you cretin.
Owlcatz= but what about ccccrryptohunntterrrr, I heard he's found out about meta board. He will drive us out and crush us like ants.
Lauda= I will deal with him.
Owlcatz= How? he's the scam hunter superstar who got a 2 000 000 000 USD air drop compensation offered to the board, he's made multiple millionaires  from his selfless tips, he is always fair and fights for the small guy? what can be done against such a real legend?
Lauda=My plan is brilliant.... I will keep falsely accusing him of being liar until he tells people to check out my post history for themselves....
Owlcatz- Okay, that  sounds well hmmm .....errr lauda are you currently wearing pants on your head  and taking vitamins by any chance?
Lauda= No no this will work, I will say he is blackmailing me by telling people to look into my past.... fox poop is a lawyer apparently said it's a master plan.
Owlcatz= ERRR i'm not sure.... But surely Theymos will do something about that.
Lauda = LOL Theymos thinks I'm cool. I mean he made me a mod after I was pushing that other scam for years LOL. Got him wrapped around my finger. I told him darkcoin wasn't a scam anyway and that when they said fair launch and no premine they were being ironic obviously.. that's why they did the exact opposite. .. hahahaha
Owlcatz= What about the other DT members?
Lauda= Nope no problem. Been talking to suchmoon. I hear Theymos is making a clever new DT election system that will enable me , you, tman, yogg, that cling on felcher the pharmacist (who sickens me)  and all our other untrustworthy pals , the entire gang. We all get on default trust now...hahaha I know hard to believe right? Suchmoon is working on getting us set up so that we are never getting pushed out again. Anyway when he cryptohunter get's pissed off then you guys all add more red trust too. It will be hilarious. That reminds me he's voting for me on dt too.
Owlcatz= Pharmacist?? who's that?
Lauda= Huge black woman
Owlcatz= Yes I know her. Those two are pals then?
Lauda= they are the same person.
Owlcatz= who knows about this?
Lauda= everyone knows about it ffs - that stupid fucking ass kisser used the same address to collect his btc dust from spamming 2 sigs hahah
Owlcatz= So he will never get on DT then right if everyone knows how greedy and sneaky he is?
Lauda= LOL he's already on DT and a Merit source hahaha. He's the 3rd most trusted person on the board .... makes sense right lololol
Owlcatz= haha this is getting toooooooooooooooooooooo easy man. Nobody can touch us or foil our devilish plans? even crrryyyppttohunnnter
Lauda= stop shaking at his mere name... there is someone even more dangerous..... TMAN. He will fuck it up if he gets any chance to.
Owlcatz= yes, keep him away from the details just send him out swearing and screaming his vegetable sex fantasies at people... we'll eventually make him the patsy right?
Lauda....yes of course what other reason would we keep him close ... right before I notice he's rather under the weather and needs some "vitamins" lots of them in one go... not yet though (evil cackling)  got to offer my escrow services to the board  first haha
Owlcatz= hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahaahah imagine that , that would be ironic
Lauda= I'm serious.
Owlcatz= .............. errrr Yes well that was obvious.
Lauda= why laughing then?
Owlcatz= That was crying
Lauda= about what?
Owlcatz= because errr I have not seen you for so long.
Lauda = hmmmmm









  

Time off forum. Come back, cryptocunt still suffering from the vaginal bleeding. Glad to see that the loser can’t even win an argument with a 4 year old still.

No that isn’t trolling it’s FACT..

Have a great day princess

Xxxx

First of all, blackmail is the threatened release of harmful information, not the threatened performance of harmful actions. The latter is called "extortion". Second, withholding my fucks from you isn't harmful unless you're an incel. Go back to your date.

Sorry, you'll have to do better than that if you want to see my vixenly "details".

"You've got to give me something new to work with, otherwise I'll ....."

blackmail..... red trust.

hmmmm...PM me the details (and a couple more vids) anyway....

Oh, you want some of this, do you?



Well, you're going to have to give me some encouragement. Lately you've just been posting the same nonsense over and over, and it's getting old. You've got to give me something new to work with, otherwise I'll just have to take my remaining fucks back to the foxhole and let the rest of the trust/merit gang have some.

EDIT: Found the original gif which is of higher quality because it hasn't been inexplicably converted to webm then back to gif again.

@SaltySpitoon

I am looking forward to making a full reply to you. I hope that you will engage in a full debate on many of the issues that you have brought up and I will see if I can use observable events and reasonable arguments based upon those events to change your current opinions. I mean this is the point of a discussion forum isn't it? to enter our thoughts into a big pool and then compare and measure their merits when they conflict or support or enhance until we have the optimal solution.

I am confident that I can through reasonable debate bring you more inline with what my opinion is. Not because I want everyone to think the same way as me. I just want the OPTIMAL and most BENEFICIAL opinions and points-of-view that would enable this movement to flourish to be the dominant ones until they through reasonable debate are demonstrated to no longer be optimal.

I  mean if someone through reasonable debate can demonstrate to you that your current opinions and points-of-view are sub optimal and assist you to adopt a more optimal outlook that is freeing you from being locked within your own self imposed matrix.

I will get started once I have had my swim and massage. I think you will really benefit from this debate if you are open minded.  People make the mistake of thinking that I am not open minded when actually I am very very open minded and love to be forced to see things how they really are and not how I had previously considered them to be simply because I lacked vital information or was relying too heavily on previous experiences that were not as relevant as I had considered them to be in another situation.

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my counter argument to SS post will start here but just a quick post atm since need to relax a bit first and get some sun.



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@mikey

I take your post as I take you. Well meaning, honest and a desire to be fair. However, there can never be anything boring about a person presenting evidence that he has been abused by a system that provides incentive to abuse, and provides the means to abuse, that crushes free speech. If it is predictable that someone will provide observable events demonstrating clear wrong doing to those that have done wrong when they seek to deride and punish others for the same crimes whilst rewarding themselves then that is the kind of predictability the world needs more of.  The very notion that people caught red handed doing wrong themselves  can lecture and punish others for lesser crimes whilst rewarding themselves and then go on to entrench themselves within a trust system that allows them to crush the objections of those that mention how disgusting and grotesque the entire thing is needs to be taken far more seriously.  I wish the world was far more predictable in the sense that the observable scumbags are called scumbags over and over until they relinquished their power and slunk away to be scum in the shadows.

Imagine you captured video of thieves stealing your shit. You took it to the police and they did nothing. You later see them out socialising with the thieves, and praising the thieves, saying these thieves should indeed be able to join the police force. So you keep taking the video back to the police day after day saying look these people are thieves, here they are on video stealing my things. They say yeah yeah we see the video.  Can you stop repeating yourself, can you stop being so predictable. You keeping rattling on about this issue over and over. Too boring and predictable. We wish you would just shut up and disappear.

thieves break in and steal your things whilst you record it.

you: but you see they are thieves, you see the video right, why do you not arrest them?
police: stop being boring you already said this, we have seen it 200x now. BTW That ming dynasty vase..so they are better in pairs ... where do you keep the other one??
you: okay but why are you saying those thieves should be police now too?
police: this question was predictable also it is boring. Stop repeating yourself. So about those other ming vases you said you had ...
you: now those thieves  have police powers (that you gave them) they say they will take more things if I keep mentioning it or come back and really try to fuck me up.
police: hmm trouble maker hey, They told us you said you intended on reporting them to the police, we are going to have to charge you with blackmail. Sorry that's the law.
you: I will report this to the sheriff, it is totally fucked up.
police: Let us know how that works out. That's a double blackmail charge now btw.
you: sheriff--your police force are crap they wont arrest thieves and have hired them as fellow cops, they now say I'm a blackmailer for telling the thieves I would report them to the cops?
sheriff: snore snore, too long and boring sorry can't read all of that - my police are excellent - thieves have good points too, you're annoying me. Shut up.
you: that was a bit disappointing
police:hahahahhahaahahahhahahahahhahhahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahah how did things go with the sheriff?
you: still does not change the fact you are failing to arrest criminals and hiring them onto the police force.
police: we are excellent - the sheriff just told you that. What part of we are excellent is not clear to you?
thieves : hows it going? how did you get on with the sheriff hahahah?
you: fuck off scum bags I will show the video to everyone else now
thieves: see we told you all he's mentally unstable, trolling us all, not against a bit of blackmail too now it seems. Get him locked up before he can do more damage to society. ANIMAL.
you: well I have you on cam stealing my stuff so eventually someone will do something about it.
thieves: can we get a copy of that for our collection. Also we can get a few adsense bucks if we stick em on youtube.
you: fuck off you pieces of shit
sheriffs deputies : please retract that disrespectful aggressive comment, abusive. Seek medical attention.
you: its true though
sheriffs deputies : predictable and boring, please play a new record.
you: you're not being objective, you are even now supporting proven thieves being cops.
sheriffs deputies: we don't like you now either.
you: oh well I can still relate this to "others"  and you will look like complicit scumbags too.
sheriffs deputies: "what good are others when you are unable to speak"
you: arrghghghghghghghghghhghg.... your mouth starts welding shut
cryptohunter: mikey look we know you got your shit taken by thieves who are now promoted to cops, you are probably a good guy but whats with the boring repetitive and predictable droning on. You should just go on a long vacation and enjoy yourself. You need to chill man.

you: this robbery was quite fun. I mean you get to experience an entire new version of  reality. It's like ALICE diving down the rabbit meta hole. It's quite addictive. You almost want to replicate yourself and have your house robbed 3x a day. Lucky I hid that other ming vase down the back of the red sofa in the drawing room on the east wing. They will never find it there.










Satoshi never envisioned a small group of observably greedy,ruthless untrustworthy scum grasping power to crush anyone who dared mention their observable historical dirty deeds. This board is akin to gradually turning bitcoin back into a centralised banking cartel. Never before on this board was it possible for sub admin to provide STRONG disincentive to post observable events that have taken place here. It is now.


@pharmacist aka Huge Black Woman,

1, can you describe how this thread is trolling.
2, can you provide examples of MY trolling and debate them with me
3, you wish for people banned that present observable events that demonstrate your sneaky greedy nature.

HE WILL NOT ANSWER ME


@suchmoron - after debunking your own arguments and letting your mind collapse in public spewing out ludicrous statements that only a fool would post in public. How can you keep embarrassing yourself further.

@agent foxpoop  - my new fav ahahahahhah you crack me up. I can't get enough of you lately. Suchmoron is out until further notice. I want you and only you. Please make longer posts. These teasing little snippets merely hinting at the damaged inner workings of your vile broken little mind are okay but the occasional reward of a longer post should be mixed in. It's like a girl continually stripping down to her bra and panties then putting their clothes back on. I want the full exposure now and then ffs. Come on babe.

Cryptohunter , sometimes people get attached to something more than they should, i think you give the forum much more importance than 100 members combined , you are so consistent it makes me a bit worried about you, you are a good person i can sense this, i am sure many others think the same, some don't , but i am sure we all agree that you have been on replay for a few months now and it is getting boring and predictable , i always know what you going to say next.

I suggest you take a break, clear your mind, after all this is an imaginary fake world we use to run away from our miserable real lives.. do your self a favour, have a break,
let them miss you, i am willing to bet that you will be missed regardless of what they say to you.

That's not healthy. It's especially not healthy if your date finds out you've been blowing him/her off to spend time with a sexy vixen, and a promiscuous one at that - one of these days you should make a giant chart showing exactly who in the DT/merit cycling club is asslicking/felching/fluffing whom (it's getting hard to keep track of at this point).

Well in that case, fox poop has wolf boy's sympathy.  I decided "Lady Lauda" has a nice ring to it.

You can replace me with "fox poop" in the poem. That's the new favorite chew toy.

I can't really be bothered to engage aside from an occasional meme, it's just too boring to keep waiting for all the proofs of all those crimes I have allegedly committed, in buses and whatnot.

Agree with most of what you said, but OP is one of the nuisances, and he's not about to use the ignore button when that would deprive him of fuel for his trolling.  He's not genuinely concerned about any real issues; he's simply making much ado about nothing, or at least exaggerating problems that certainly could be solved for him by putting some people on ignore.  OP likes to write, to rant, to get attention.

LOL.

To troll or not to troll, that is the question.
To post, and not sleep, is that all?
To wake, to post, to sleep, and to make merry
the dreams of green trust DT.
The arguments of merit fall by the way side
upon reading the musings of Lady Lauda.
Oh, and such a moon to ponder while
finding myself in this way.
Scorned by the campaign managers
who see my trust as blood on the hands.
Cursed by the poor as they must flip burgers
to feed their children.
Yet I endure the onslaught
and continue to expose the tyrants
and the judgments they make.
To grunt and sweat under this weary life
without the help of anyone but Thule.
For what sake, may I ask?
For a dream of something after bitcointalk?
It puzzles the brain and confounds the sense.
This which makes us bear the burden.
Alas, alas, I continue to battle alone.

I'll avoid dragging this off topic by just addressing two differences of opinion that we have, and simply stating that because of them, our viewpoints are different. First, I disagree that red trust is intended to be solely for scamming or strongly likely to scam. I am of the opinion that the reason there aren't explicit rules for what you can and can't leave for feedback, is because needs of the users here evolve. For example, plagiarism spam is a fairly new thing, if not for the fact that it directly opposed moderation goals here, it may have been left alone in the same way that account selling is. If plagiarism spam was allowed by the rules, perhaps it would warrant negative feedback. These are decisions that individuals decide to make, and the community can either choose to agree with them or ignore them.

We also have a major difference of opinion regarding what is considered incorrect information, and willful spreading of it. Saying, I intend to buy 10,000 BTC at $10,000 each tomorrow, so buy now! If I have no intention of doing so, is about the extent of what I'd consider intentionally spreading fake information (typically for personal gain). Anything that is processed by the human brain is skewed by previous experiences, personal beliefs, whatever, and needs some sort of special consideration when you say its incorrect or willful lying. I draw these stupid analogies like with the lemons for the sake of trying to bridge as many misunderstandings as possible. Lets say I'm arguing with someone that the sky is blue, and they think its orange. They may have never seen a blue sky before, might be color blind, taught color names incorrectly, or are misunderstanding what I intended the question to mean, perhaps they think I'm talking about the evening sky. People are willing to argue over whether the earth is flat or not, if you get too involved in it, you'll waste way too much time fighting with people who really don't matter in your life.

Related to the topic at hand, these are the reasons that I think all but the most extreme cases of "trolling" don't really matter. If someone's behavior is unreasonably obstructing everyone else, they are politely asked to leave by the moderation staff by means of a ban message. Anyone that falls into any other category should be handled with an ignore button. If a person is on everyone else's ignore list, they probably should, and probably will be asked to leave. Not to make any of this personal, as I don't care about any spats you've had with other members. I perceive the motivation of your topics on the matter as having to do with them, which is why I mention it at all. You or the other parties are not currently obstructing the forum for all other uses, you are just annoying each other. That probably means that neither parties has to be asked to leave for trolling, spreading fake information, or whatever. Just use the ignore function and carry on.

The only reason I respond to topics like this at all, is because you are asking for a change in moderation policy, and I'm arguing that we need as few policies based on uncertain terms as possible. Interpersonal relationships are best not monitored by the forum staff. I'm probably biased here, but I think the rules in place are sufficient, and the tools provided to forum users are almost flexible enough to deal with any situation that doesn't require moderator action. If you are able to even understand my reasoning for the points we disagree on, even if you do disagree, that lends to my point that we'd be asking for new rules based on things that not everyone is in agreement over.



It took me about 6 minutes to write this post, I write fast and any post I spend more than 20 seconds on ends up with multiple paragraphs, check the TLDR if you don't want to read it.

TLDR: We have a difference of opinion on the qualifications for what is required to be "trolling". I disagree with asking for more rules in general for a problem that can be solved with the use of the ignore button and interpersonal skills. We've got a lot of people here, some you won't mesh with. Who cares, use the ignore button. Moderators will get the nuisances.

Well I agree with you in part. Trolling (not the guidelines in the rules here) but generally is a useless term because as you say it means something different to everyone depending on their POV.

I mean I could say you were trolling me telling me when you said that openly demonstrating that I loved lemons is reason enough to give me red trust. I mean that is what most people may consider a troll. This now would per board rules be a troll. Since red trust is intended to be for scamming or strongly likely to scam.

This is why the rules drill down more and for the sake of this board and say it is more of a case of deliberate and wilful spreading of obviously fake or incorrect information.  Again to me this is not as I understood trolling before but I find it to be far more useful for a forum than just a worthless different-for-each-individual term..

Spamming is not trolling to me. Spamming is certainly more defined and usually I would say linked to financial gain more than trolling. Although I guess there is crossover there.

Harassment is a BIG debate in itself and certainly not tied to trolling.

You can't provide proof that someone is trolling. Its just a really shitty and overly broad term for people you don't like that disagree with you in most cases. Just because someone intentionally does or says something to make another person angry, that doesn't automatically make them a troll. Posting factual information with the intention of annoying someone is still "trolling", it doesn't require any fake information. So lets say I really hate lemons (sorry I've gotta stick with the lemon examples) and any chance you get, you decide to slip a fact about lemons into your posts because you know it'll annoy me, I might call you a troll because of that. You didn't do anything wrong, and no one else will get it, but just because you'd be irritating me, I'd call you a troll.

I personally find the term to be absolutely useless because it typically only means something to one person or a small group of people. Luckily, the bad cases of "trolling" typically include spamming and harassment, ARE fairly easy to define and is against the rules. Anything short of that isn't a serious matter, and can be resolved with the ignore button.

LOL you're becoming one of my fav people here. You take a little more breaking down than suchmoron mostly because you're a little more sexy and I take a little more mercy on you... but still it's fun watching you cast doubt upon your own (false) accusations.

So you admit that IF there are any trolling or stupid posts you may need to go through the entire 13.5k of them. So not that many examples then hahaha. POW  

So you can say from your limited experience in reading my posts ( a lot and giving lots of fucks about them) since I came to the weird but fun world of meta, that I produce stupid posts and  trolling posts. But together you and that other dumbo the pharmacist can't find them? hahahahahah

You could ask Huge Black Woman to help you both ....perhaps all 3 of you together will be able to produce some false and incorrect information that I am proliferating after it has been demonstrated to be ....well.... false or incorrect. I can't wait to start debating these posts with you two.
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So still more trolling from fox pup. This is like 'trolling trolling'. Trolling people about their non existent trolling. I like it.

On a serious note and I mean this. Thanks guys this forum had lost all of its fun until I found you. I honestly mean it. I am missing tennis matches, dates, massages... such is the entertainment you all provide me.




 

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You may post here if you like.

Local rules only work if you are a DT or DT felcher anyway. Anyone can freely observe that the DT's do not stick to the local rules at all they just do what they like as always.

The problem is that most of the responses to bitcointalk are shitty messages. And the rest of the people who are now interested in the forum may not have activity 150.

I didn't say I can't give a fuck, I said I can't give enough fucks. I naturally have a few fucks available to those who are interested. But I'm afraid The Pharamacist and I combined don't have the 13,577 fucks it would take to go through all of your posts. We just don't have that many fucks between us.

And stop calling me "he" unless I'm no longer a vile vixen. (NB: Ceasing to be a vixen may adversely affect the quality of my fucks.)

Well that is all interesting and great advice. In this case though it is not applicable to me.

I do not feel hurt. These people have been scamming and promoting scams since they joined. To be attacked by them is not hurtful, it is a pleasant and gratifying experience. It demonstrates you clearly stand in contrast to them. I have crushed them before, brought their lies and scams to the point of offering to redeem themselves and compensate those they scammed. I have no interest in acceptance by them.

Acceptance by bad eggs and their supporters would indicate capitulation on my part. Disgusting and weak.  

There is no middle ground. There is a transparent and fair system for all or there is a corrupt and broken system gamed and abused by self serving scum.

You do not as yet realise the implications for this board if you allow freedom of speech to become manipulated by a small corrupt and provably untrustworthy gang.

This though is ALL off topic and too personal for this thread.

Let us get back on topic. Trolling and those making trolling accusations.

Lets analyse what we observe so far in this thread.


1. the pharmacist aka Huge Black Woman - the sneaky greedy racist trolling sock puppet sig spammer making TROLLING accusations against me. However, he fails to produce any examples of this? sounds like a false accusation to me? actually since I have already challenged him MANY times to substantiate and debate with me his claims then I now say that this is tantamount to trolling himself. We know huge black woman is a master sig spamming racist troll so perhaps the pharmacist is unable to control his trolling ways.

2. fox poop appears (who told me he can not give a fck about my posts and yet appears on my threads and seems to give many fcks) and not only fails to produce the posts he claims are stupid, but now will not even help his pal Huge Black Woman to locate and present my  "trolling" posts to analyse and debate.

Why?? because these dumb fools make false accusations over and over again. They try to weaponize trolling and then cast that umbrella term over posts that contain observable events and factual accounts that they wish to hide and bury in the past that demonstrate they are net negative garbage.

Trolling.... proliferating false information continuously and knowingly is trolling. These are your trolls. One caught red handed trolling for btc dust under a sock puppet account, the other busted slathering merits over all his pals accounts seconds between each allocated bunch of cycled merit junk.

I need no acceptance by these types.

TROLLING is the topic here, and those accusing people of trolling over and over without producing evidence even when challenged are the trolls here.

Yes, I understand what you are facing right now, but all that must be, ask yourself? is this disappointment triggered by a negative experience in the past and I understand for now you are angry or upset, but don't get caught up in this situation.

Don't accept this something that you can't change?

Feeling hurt is not an option, but experiencing suffering is a choice, by saying "life is unfair" or "I don't deserve to experience this", you reject the reality that is happening and deny the truth you must accept.

You will have difficulty understanding the other person's point of view if you are angry.
However, you can overcome problems and relieve heartache by sharing sympathy. You will avoid feeling disappointed with more sympathy. Remember that you can also make mistakes and still want to be accepted. everyone wants to be accepted, even though they face problems.

Revenge, anger, emotion, and disappointment just as you drink poison and expect others to suffer, when in fact, you are poisoning yourself.
Even though you feel you are on the right side and on the other hand there are people who have hurt you.
To let go of disappointment is always the best solution. if you are ready to free yourself from the shackles of disappointment, remember I do not look at you something negative, war is not a good thing, a decision 100% depends on you in taking a policy, the Forum continues to run and remain victorious, even though we are lost in this world.

I think we'd all prefer that you not use anyone's asses, dumb or not. What is it with you and asses, anyway?

Wouldn't it be easier to just present the posts where you aren't trolling?

What, this Little Red Vixen's not good enough for you?

Huge Black Woman aka the pharmacist the sneaky greedy racist trolling sig puppet spammer appears to break my local rules by making it personal straight away.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17808231

I wonder how long this imbecile will hang around to help me.

Oh well, since we have a trolling professional here (the pharmacist) to help us debate we shouldn't complain too much.

Now I will use his dumb ass to make an example of what I am talking about here.

HBW can you please present the posts where you claim I am trolling so we can work through them together now.

Can you switch character to Huge Black Woman just for this thread so we can double down on the hilarity.

Also can you bring some of your greatest posts demonstrating original thought provoking insights that made a huge difference here .... just so we can really see the contrast between a troll and a great post deserving of a highly paid sig campaign SPAM right under it.

That's code for saying he's constipated, and I would urge him not to consider a laxative but rather seek out another forum to troll.

But I don't take those words of his seriously, though.  How many times have trolls and assorted morons said they're going to leave bitcointalk only to stick around and continue to stink up the place?  Hopefully scunter sticks to his word in this case.

No trolling in this thread please. Irony like this is okay, but not first thing in the morning after the heavy night (of laughter) before.

You are likely the only one that is sad about this... The rest of us, not so sad!

Emotion is acceptable if you feel strongly.

However READ the local rules. They specifically say this is not to be made personal. Or keep it as broad as possible anyway. Don't go straight into personal attacks I mean I am sure this thread will descend into that eventually but let's hold out past the first post.

Better if you bring one point at a time and bring an example because it looks nothing like trolling. You seem to be referring to general forum debates and disagreements. You need to separate the truth from the bullshit before you can tell whom if any of the different factions are trolling or just fighting for their respective views that they actually believe in. Aggression, emotion, harassment are relative terms (not essentially negative and actually quite net positive in some instances) and very context dependent. This is why any accusation of TROLLING needs to be examined closely.

One persons "destroy" bitcointalk could be another persons "save" bitcointalk from becoming a useless broken down echo chamber.

The best way to rid yourself of the negative characters that you seem to be trying to describe is to force them into debates and dismantle their arguments and crush their false claims. Once their false claims are crushed beyond doubt then if they keep promulgating these views or ideas that could well be trolling. Or you can just reference the topic where those views or ideas were demonstrated to be incorrect and false.

Since you arrived here very recently your views although genuine to you, could be net negative with regard to creating an optimal forum environment for crypto to thrive  if analysed by someone smarter or with more experience. That is what debate is for.

I mean to say that which may you consider net negative could actually be net positive or the other way around. Only a debate will eventually reveal which it is.










 

I don't think that this one-purpose Forum for life is not the real world, trolls.
If you continue like this, you are also said to be one of the trolls.

That is to say: people who start a fight or annoyance at the forum, DT, to divert and sow disputes by posting inflammatory and aggressive content, forums, outside the community, with the aim of provoking the reader to display an emotional response, whether you make this fortroll entertainment or certain benefits for you.

the trolling that you mean is: "troll" means you "people who destroy the bitcointalk forum with the aim where the main character posts harass people online and try to infiltrate their circles by posting dirty and negative comments.

Sorry, a little emotional.

Local rules - no accounts with less than 150 activity, no making it personal. This discussion is for creating sensible general rules that apply to ALL persons equally.


Let us not focus on any one person, but rather a general rule that I think we need to establish here. Since the trolling accusation is often weaponized to silence people or provide excuse to avoid tackling issues we may just be ashamed of.


If we are to "constantly" accuse a person/s of trolling or being a troll then should we not be required to present evidence to substantiate  this claim?  It is quite a serious accusation after all.

I mean if the accused on numerous occasions insists they are NOT trolling, that their information is correct and true, and challenges the accuser to provide evidence to substantiate their claim then surely the onus is on the accuser to present the OBVIOUSLY FALSE NONSENSE that they the accused  are continually said to be promulgating ?? I mean surely it must be proven false or incorrect ??

Surely if the accuser can NOT provide proof of OBVIOUSLY FALSE NONSENSE then they themselves are TROLLING by continually presenting false information/accusations regarding that person being a troll. When they have constantly failed to substantiate their "claims".

You can not simply call someone a troll because you want them to stop saying things that you do not like or that you feel are true but casts you in an unfavourable light. That is just an unfair weapon to crush free speech/the truth.

I mean if the person accused of being nothing other than a troll challenges his accusers to present even one example of his obvious false nonsense and they can not.... then surely they must be careful not to meet the criteria of becoming trolls themselves??

I think that a person should be able to challenge his accusers in a rep thread,  and if they can not present evidence of habitual posting false information then they must be warned about making this same accusation again.

Let's start allowing the truth to shine through here on BCT again.




The rules on this board say...

"If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post)."


Apologies for my numerous posts today but unexpected poor weather provided me with opportunities that I had to capitalise on. Sadly I will be unable to sustain this level of content creation.