Topic: @theymos, proposals and rules. (Read 466 times)

If this is not suitable for discussion or incorrect ideas, about Ranking and Merit, the topic is locked.

Merit is cycled junk stop worrying about it. So long as it prevents account farmers levelling up then that's fair enough for anything else especially DT positions is it irrelevant.

Really merit can be viewed as a honey pot to demonstrate whom are the colluding scum bags sending it all to each other in a nice circle and those persons prevented from joining DT.

Perhaps a cap on merit for each account at 1500 there is no need to cycle more to each other.

Also you want to become a legend you need to present your best posts that made a difference here that are not just ass kissing in meta for merit crumbs.

You want a rank above legend then let's analyse their best posts and see what they have actually contributed.

I would rather give higher ranks on what people have "achieved" not how much ass kissing and merit cycling they have got away with.

If you have made zero difference then you should never even be a legend regardless of the posts you make supporting other merit sources and joining the merit merry-go-round.

If there is a new rank added with this name then it will make lot of confusion so I think adding a rank like Captain or Colonel will be better.

If I remember correctly theymos said that he won't add any new ranks for now so this is just a lost cause at the moment.

Those proposed in the OP sound a bit like in the military and here, besides some fights we are trying to keep a peace between the users. There always will be some small wars but.. lets keep it friendly.

Cool rank titles would be Mythical, Immortal, Divine, Godlike (or Vodlike ) and the one I like the most True BTC Believer or True BTC Supporter ... maybe Blockchainer

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Back to the OP and maybe a bit off topic but did you know that you have an open case for plagiarism?

I would add just one rank namely Legendary Hero (+2500 merits earned)  to what forum has right now.

People are allowed to have multiple accounts, it is not against forum rules. But you are not allowed to merit your alts, post fake trust ratings/reviews for your alts or be involved in other shady activities. So there is no reason to limit that since many trustworthy members here have alts.

Fraud and scams can happen from members of any rank, they are not only carried out by newly registered accounts. You have members of all ranks here that are red tagged for scams and illegal behaviour. Users also get hacked and if a trusted forum member with a long positive trading history gets his account hacked the members he trades with could be scammed.

That should only be reserved for Satoshi. Or else the title isn't really special XD

I proposed it there.
Post-Ledgendary name-calling.
I am not sure the term is relevant or not.

Those members having 2500+ merit should be given rank of 'God of Bitcointalk' of something similar xD

There is no place for free spam in the forum since the born of merit system and new rank requirements last year.
Those two controled spammers well over the last one year.
There is no reason to create a new place for spammers, spambies to dump their shits in the forum.

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Free place to dump shit posts, and freely allocated 1 to 5 merits to spambies who join that place.
OMG! The suggestion blows my mind away, honestly.

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The PROPOSAL I is un-necessary. Why?
- So many new ranks.
- Changes in both merit & activity requirements are not reasonable.
Users have to fight to receive single merit, really have to fight for it, so most of them will have enough activity counts or even abundance of activities till be able to meet merit requirements.
Reducing requirements on activity counts, consequenlty, does not make any sense here.

Well, that's what I want to know besides the name that I proposed, is there an idea from you, @The Pharmacist, for names other than military that can be counted on for Forum member rankings.
In your opinion, this one proposal makes sense, or as a joke.

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For all, about the issue of this proposal, give one idea, to @theymos,
Proposal: 1
The problem is, from the question, for what Merit is up to 4000 and 5000. More, up to the rank runs out until Legndr.
So there is no idea from you about this issue to rank.
Proposal: 2
this is to invade the multi-account register bitcointalk member, and the same name, fraud. Etc.

I mean, in this proposal what I want from friends here is an idea or idea, for the future, about more Merit and Multi-account Members.

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What I want to know about this is: the results of proposals 1 and 2, not creating more problems, solutions, solutions and solutions.

Not only OP is introducing lot off new ranks but changing the activity periods of existing rank. Changing activity period of well established ranks might cause confusion and chaos.

For proposal 2:
I guess you forget that few user will come to this forum when they hit an issue like (scammed, coin stucked, need urgent fix) and your proposal will not allow them to discuss there issue/problem at once, instead  they will stuck at Board of Children Newbie Discussion.

PS: Why the word "Children" ? Newbie can be mature enough.

I would only be for more thanks if they actually achieve something. There has to be a point to having a new rank, some new feature or thing that is unlocked for that new rank only. Making new ranks simply for the sake of it, or because "too many" people have reach legendary and need something else to aim for is pointless.

Your second suggestion is essentially a newbie jail, which I don't agree with at all. It punishes the good newbies for crimes they didn't commit. This has been tried in the past and abandoned, and theymos has previously stated he is also against this as a concept, so unless he has changed his mind, this suggestion will go nowhere.

There are several people who create an account to post a single fact or discuss a single subject. Often they do this because they are in an environment not so secure to access their main account or do not wish to link their main account with some specific project. Or sometimes do not even have an account, just read the forum and decided to discuss a subject that he dominates.

A newbie account does not mean that it is a newbie person in the Bitcoin world.

BTW, Why these military ranking?

That's a valid point, but if merit matters so much then we should give less weight to activity, a full member with 100 earned merit should have a higher rank than a hero member with 2 earned merit. activity should still be somehow added to the equation, but merit should over-weight it by a good degree.

While I am against proposals that aren't well studied and not based on in-depth analysis of forum statistics, (besides we are crypto enthusiasts not an army), I have to admit that the ranking system should be reviewed.

There should be a way to differentiate between ranked members before the introduction of merits and self made ranks.

I don't have too much to say about the first proposal, although i think it's unnecessary to set new and more restrictions in the ranking system.
But i totally disgree with the second proposal which a set of big limit for all the new comers and guests willing to share something with the community here.
Instead, i suggest a dedicated new board to banned users where the can create their ban appeals without polluting Meta or to just authorize them to post in Reputation board. I thought about a banned user being accused for something then how he can defend himself or his situation if he is not allowed to create new accounts (just a single one account to appeal for the ban in one forum board Meta).

Not enough explanation about your proposal. And I don't see any point to implement it. Current system is fair enough. Only thing that I am agree a additional rank above Legendary. Whoever have 2000+ merit they deserve something extra from normal legendary. Merit system has been implemented more than year, but lot of Legendary even failed to earn single merit! So both Legendary isn't same and there should be something for who have earned more than 2000+ or 2500+ merit.   

I'm not completely against making new ranks, because I think it would be good to have ranks higher than Legendary, but I'm turned off by the military titles suggested in the OP.  That's not a political thing, either--those ranks suggested just sound cheesy to me. 

If I'm not mistaken, there have been at least a few threads where similar ideas were brought up, and I thought I recalled hearing Theymos dismiss them because he's not keen on creating any new ranks.  If he doesn't want to make any rank(s) higher than Legendary, threads like this are a waste of time.  It would be a very good thing if he chimed in here to give some guidance on the matter.

My thought on Proposal I :
It's not bad idea if there's no changes on available features (avatar, signature, etc.) for existing ranks, even though it might confuse some member. You might want to suggest what available features on suggested ranks.

My thought on Proposal II :
I disagree, that would restrict freedom for people who isn't newbie on bitcoin/cryptocurrency world, but just joined this forum.

Example : Member warith joined this forum to share critical vulnerability of Coinomi wallet at WARNING - Coinomi Wallet CRITICAL Vulnerability Made Me Lose My Life Savings, if he only can post on (Board of Children Newbie Discussion), many members won't know about it.

What's the test system? Is this some question about forum or bitcoin? If it's true, newcomers can search the answer on Google and modify it with their style to avoid plagiarism before they post the correct answer. So, by that method, I think everyone can pass the test easily.

And about the board, if the board isn't only for brand new and moderators or other staff I think it just would be a mega spam board.

The thing is when you are creating proposals here in the forum you must have a very good reason for it to be considered, your Proposal #1 doesn't add any real purpose for it to be applied here in the forum. So what if you add new ranks here in the forum? How do you think members here will benefit from the new ranks they will have? And why did you decrease the merit (for Full Members and Sr. Members) and activity requirement (Jr Members - Legendary)? Is it just because you just want to rank up faster and other members as well? With the proposal you want to achieve you are just wanting lower members to rank up faster which I don't think is a good idea at all.

Your proposal # 2 won't work as well, supposed that they pass the test given by BCT it doesn't guarantee that they won't post spam here in the forum, as long as there are paid sig campaigns expect a lot of members to post shit just to complete their post requirement. Instead of proposing solutions you must need to identify the problem first.

Proposal I introduces too many new ranks which are not really necessary at all, and I’ve got a feeling that the numbers suggested for rank and activity are rather arbitrary, and not based on a pre-study of what the set values should be in accordance to a certain objective (i.e. number of running members per rank). At most, an upper rank may be interesting at some point, although that has been discussed previously, and for now rests at ease.

It also shifts the bare minimum of 1 merit from the Jr. Member rank to the Newbie rank, which would mean that Newbies would be able to bear a campaign signature, thus making “newbie” the new “Jr. Member” in an exercise that would only bring confusion. Anything close to the proposal would be better-off rebranding all the ranks with different names, but as I said, there is really no operational need to complicate ranks further now.

Proposal II would drive down the number of new members drastically. Perhaps during early 2018 something or other of the kind would have been more welcome, and variations had been suggested at the time, but confining people nowadays to a specific area, when the numbers are in recession, would overkill the forum due to a restriction hara-kiri.

I see only sense in increasing the amount of merit obtained for the following ranks:


And I see the point of adding only one highest rank, for example, with merits of more than 2500.

I don't know that what I think is good or bad, the point is I give one thought that I think is positive.

Just go to the topic, in this year many rules have been implemented and implemented in the Forum, starting the [Merit] system> [Newbie Rules]> [Coper Member] etc.
For that I think can some more proposed rules be applied?
As:
PROPOSAL: I
I see for now many Bitcointalk members who have excess (Merit) outside the requirements starting from 1 Merit to 5000 Merit.

While the current rules are:

Ranks and activity:

Brand New: 0 posts
Newbie: 1-29 activity
Jr. Member: 30-59 activity
Member:   60-119 activity
Full Member: 120-239 activity
Sr. Member: 240-479 activity
Hero Member: 480 activity
Legendary: Somewhere between 775 and 1030 activity

Merit:

Brand new: 0
Newbie: 0
Jr Member: 1
Member: 10
Full Member: 100
Sr. Member: 250
Hero Member: 500
Legendary: 1000

@theymos, What if there is a slight change or added to Ranks, activity and Merit for example:

Ranks and activity:

Brand new: 0 posts
Newbie: 1-15 activity
Jr Member: 20 activity
Member: 25 activity
Full Member: 80 activity
Sr. Member: 170 activity
Sergeant Member: 276 activity
Hero Member: 450 activity
Colonel Member: 700 activity
Legendary: 900 activity
General Legendary: 1100 and 1150 activity

Merit:

Brand new: 0
Newbie: 1-5
Jr Member: 8
Member: 25
Full Member: 90
Sr. Member: 200
Sergeant Member: 300
Hero Member: 500
Colonel Member: 800
Legendary: 1000
General Legendary: 1500 and 4000

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PROPOSAL:II
I look at members who register new every day there may be dozens every day who register.
@theymos, What if one more rule is applied in the Forum Every newcomer must have a test system, or a passing pass from Brand new to the next, made one place in the Forum (Board of Children Newbie Discussion) to discuss, that's where he is given 1- 5 Merit, to be able to post freely.
If the member is not achieved in the rules that have been made, it means that they are not allowed to post freely.
The goal is to avoid or reduce spammers etc. The forum is cleaner.
Previously, if there was a mistake or no memory, I apologize, humans did not escape mistakes.

Thanks.