Topic: They're planning a Universal Basic Income. (Read 603 times)

It is not a bad idea, if not misused. If the people are receiving Universal Basic Income, then there must be some condition that they should do a fixed duration of social service of volunteering every week. Or it must be made mandatory that they should serve in the army for a short while. Else, the people will sit at home and refuse to do any work.

Universal basic income would be a good thing, allowing everybody to have the strictly necessary without too much sufference.

It depends who are "they": aliens? Reptilians? Communists?
Btw, it's a nonsense, any experiment in this sense was a failure: you can't take ambition from human beens

I don't think that it will do any good some people are "poor by default", and you can give them any sum of money, they'll lose it, gamble it, an so on.
Much better an educational program about how to earn and produce money

Contributory Pension is not stealing.

WTF 

There will have to be some kind of ubi, basic income, or something like that in the not so distant future when automation, ai, and robots are in full swing doing 90%+ of the work.

you might have a point but if you look at some under developed areas in the world and you think about the basic salary idea you will realize it is not a bad idea at all at the moment. It helps to provide people with this income and they can build on it.

You should never overthink ahead when you don't know what will happen. AI revolution is not something that will go over night, there will be many things AIs probably won't be able to compete in with humans for a very long time. And when we do make AI it will take time to scale it in order to make human contribution unnecessary. Chances are that those 90% of people would just find another job. Most likely most of them would change their jobs to the ones those 10% have and others might go more into art or something like that. You can always have a job to monitor AI, to make sure everything is going as intended and then pay people for that with the money we get from AI's jobs.

90% of people lost their jobs before and they just made new ones. Once almost all of the population was employed in food production, farming,hunting,fishing,... But once machines came to be, they all lost their jobs. But that only freed them to do other jobs, like sciences, engineering, art,...
Having more workers or doing jobs more efficiently is never a problem.

Do you thing there would be any future need for central support if everyone has a the possibility to create a own life base?

a universal income provided by a centralized State entity gee that sounds a little bit like a few of the things that end with 'ism'

I'm not going to lie it would be great to get provided a basic income just for existing, I think it's the dream of everybody to have a utopian society where it's possible to live for the betterment of yourself and Mankind... but to some extent power and money are means unto themselves and the chase of them are the Last Vestige of the hunter-gatherer instincts that we have left in our DNA.

I fear for a world where were wanting for nothing and pacifism rains through our DNA, we would be a weak species right for natural selection.

Who the hell is "They"
And UBI is not some sort of demonic plot. But people thinking ahead to what will happen in the AI revolution. Which is 90% of people will go out of a job

Universal basic income is a bad idea. If you give monetary handouts to people, then they will be less inclined to work. A better option would be to make healthcare and education 100% free. The government can even open soup kitchens for those who can't afford quality meals three times a day. But giving free money to the poor is a very bad idea.

Having a Universal Basic Income is ridiculous. Countries with different exchange of money will be affected. And what will be the universal money to be used? American Dollar again?

I have an even better one for you:

It's called global Communism. Step one is to have a universal basic income. Step two is to tax anyone who makes more than the universal income so that their incomes are brought down close to the universal income level. Now everyone gets the same.

Nice Bible verse.

Archetypal for the introduction of UBI we need a single centre of political control, which must be associated with the upper force, that is God (to use the terms religion) or Noosphere (if you use science terms) or Collective Unconscious (to use the terminology of psychology)

All hopes for the establishment of such a centre or subject of politics until usurped by only a handful of egoistically-minded corporate leaders, who now have a global impact

Against them can only independent community

Wouldn't this end up bankrupting Europe, with all those dependents they allowed in? Pay all your citizens UBI while also supporting all those refugees would burn through your income fast. UBI should probably only be implemented once we get to the point that almost anything we can do can be done by machines. At this time though, this would only encourage welfare leeches to be even more lazy.

From what I'm hearing, even the current unemployment benefits is flawed. There is a limit to how many months you can receive it but it still get abused.

The ability to have a universal basic income is simply inevitable in the modern world.

The one who first be able to implement it using the cryptocurrency has a chance to emerge on the international political level

I think you should consider first how much its costing you to not have a basic universal income, you might be quite suprised.
For most country's its cheaper to have basic income instead of having to rely on a multitude of organisations to tend to these people and all other costs that are associated with unemployed/homeless etc.

Also people do want to do something (unless they abuse substances) humans want to be of use and service cause else they become all depressed and what not. Everything in life wants to make use of itself one way or another. Supplying them with an income allows them to do what they really want to do and create something that really benefits society as a whole instead of going into administration, locked away in some office.

The amount of people that live in poverty is astonishing and when you think how much potential talent and intelligence goes to waste because of that is even worse.
Give people basic income so they can bloom and blossom, find new ways.
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I have no idea what is being said here. Can someone help me understand?

Who is "they"? OMG, what if it is the same "they" as in the book from thousand of years. The book predicted "they" will exist, wow, magical.


We need to save our Prince of princes or THEY will steal the stick of truth. Quick! On your horses!
...what a fun game

I don't hear on the news any Universal Basic Income discussions currently, but we could get started here, and become "they".

Well not everyone can really start a business. What if someone is born in a poor village in Africa? And all of a sudden due to global warming, even tho they never even used a car in their life, they can't grow any more food, since the dessert expanded? This isn't a hypothetical, global warming is already happening, it has been for decades, desserts have been expanding for years, famine increased due to bad weather and so on. We can see the ones who just lived their lives and not pollute the planet end up paying their lives for the mistakes of others. This sort of income would help them out.

That being said, it would make it feasible for a person to do nothing and survive. There will be at least one person who will want to have as many children as he can and all will be taken care of due to this, if he teaches only two of them to do the same, this will be unstable in couple of generations as the number grows exponentially, with 2^x amount of people per generation.

So I would say, that it would help a lot of people, but it would be unstable in the long run and then we will have the same problem.

They are planning it for quite a long time.
There are countries that have already implemented a basic income within the country.
But it's rather difficult to use a fixed amount for fixed people globally.

They may be planning some sort of Universal Basic Income for Global Citizens. I tend to wonder why people are paid this income whereas they can easily be encouraged to establish useful businesses and earn similar amounts..
I usually understand what they're up to if they keep mentioning something over and over again in the media.. It's been on their lips for awhile. I always thought it was a joke or mere suggestion until the meanest of them discussed it.
They would probably use this to attract billions of dependants and loyalists around the world?

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This is Important: Welfare schemes you do not work for (like Contributory Pension Scheme & similar schemes) must never be accepted. It is unsustainable and tantamount to stealing. [Stealing is taking what you do not deserve or  doesn't belong to you]

Another thing constantly on their lips is the INTERNET. They seem to be planning how to totatly reorganize the Internet infrastructure to make it easy to stop terrorism and uprising.

"He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power." - Daniel 8:25



Could this be why they constantly demonize hardworking people who do not depend on anyone and threatening them with extermination(keeps happening where I live)?