Topic: Think i have lost all my bitcoin :( (Read 175 times)

Oh man, that is very alarming, have you tried to get another HW and try to upload your seed onto that one? Maybe that could work? These wallets are not secure anymore and can't be trusted. I wouldn't be suprised if it had something to do with what someone at ledger did w/ the code/seeds and now they are draining wallets one by one and sparatically until a large group of people notices that all their money is all gone. I hope that isn't the case. I am terribly sorry for your losses here OP that is never a good feeling. At least you have the wealth of still being alive and breathing!@!!

Yes, if you need to set an arbitrary derivation path you can't do that in Ledger Live.

But (AFAIK) Ledger Live does not allow you to create wallets at arbitrary derivation paths, so if this is a derivation path issue then it will be far more straightforward to use Electrum.

It is not necessary to use Electrum to change the gap limit in this case. It can be done much easier, as Ledger Live has a built-in option for this. Go to settings -> experimental features -> custom gap limit -> change 20 to 100 (or 1000).

Here's what to do to narrow down the issue:

Go the Ledger Live account on your old computer which shows the address holding your ~1.5 BTC. There will be an options button or a gear symbol or something you can click on (sorry I can't be more specific, I don't use Ledger Live) and in that options menu it will tell you the derivation path of that account which is holding your coins. It will look something like this:


Link your hardware wallet to Electrum, and when you get to the script type page, select "Legacy (P2PKH)" and enter the exact same derivation path as from Ledger Live.

If that wallet is empty, go to the console tab in Electrum (View -> Show Console) and paste the following to increase the gap limit:


If that wallet is still empty, then chances are you used an additional passphrase which you will need to brute force if you don't remember it.

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It would be helpful if you could provide the error message of your old pc's Ledger Live. Pay attention not to disclose sensitive details. Obviously never post your mnemonic recovery words or similar.



Electrum or Sparrow need to know the proper derivation path to know about the correct addresses and keys of your wallet. If you have used multiple accounts in your Ledger Live wallet then this needs to be setup accordingly in Electrum or Sparrow.

Your address 19NduweV3Hn8RXHFBQ32pKwCtbP5RBKwQw still has five UTXO that sum up to ‎1.54580626BTC. I can only guess that this address is part of another account index of your wallet and therefore doesn't show up automatically unless you setup this account in your new Ledger Live wallet, too.

Could also be an issue of wallet gap limit. I'm just dropping key words that pop into my mind regarding your problem.

My personal advice would be to always properly document the creation a another wallet's account (when created, for what reason and purpose, ...). Anyway, I don't think all hope is lost for you. Just don't do stupid things and particularly never input your mnemonic recovery words into an online website.



To my knowledge of Ledger Live crap an optional mnemonic passphrase (that additional "25^th word"; it's not necessarily a single word, it can basically be anything) generates a whole new wallet which itself can have multiple accounts. You can't apply an optional mnemonic passphrase to a single additional account of a wallet. But I'm no Ledger and Ledger Live crap user.

I suggest you learn a bit more about hierachical deterministic wallets, derivation paths and account indices and maybe gap limit, too.
See here: https://learnmeabitcoin.com/technical/hd-wallets (it's beneficial to look around all pages of that site to learn more about Bitcoin).

That is correct: you do not need an extended seed phrase in order to open a wallet using Electrum or Sparrow. These wallets utilize a standard seed phrase, which can consist of 12 or 24 words, depending on the user's choice. Wallets that support multi-signature transactions or other more sophisticated features usually use the extended seed phrase format.


Yes, it is a really good explanation of how Electrum's expanded seed phrase functions. In order to generate a new wallet with a distinct set of addresses, the custom word (also known as the passphrase) is effectively a "salt" that is added to the seed phrase. This feature helps users to keep their money organized and distinct by enabling them to establish several wallets from a single seed phrase. But in order to get into the wallet, you have to remember the personalized word.

Not at all I read your post wrongly, i thought it is about importing the wallet. The connection between the hardware wallet (ledger is this regard) with any of the software wallet doesn’t need a seedphrase because logically that will defeat the purpose of offline wallet concept offered by the hardware wallet.

 
This is also my guess, but my suggestion is if the hardware wallet back up seed phrase is available and he is finding it hard to connect it can’t he just import it into another wallet like electrum and the choose the right address type (legacy address type). This could be easier than the other methods I think

You are correct, all you need to do is unlock your hardware wallet, so ya, this has nothing to do with any seed phrase issues.

Here is my guess, OP's Bitcoin is still there (it does say so on the blockchain), but that address he posted is P2PKH aka Lagecy address which starts with '1', when he connects the wallet to Electrum, he probably uses P2WPKH aka Native SegWit starting with 'bc1' and thus those Lagecy addresses won't show, I also think this is the default behavior for the new ledge live app.

The reason why he couldn't spend from the old ledger which does show the balance is probably due to outdated software "common with Ledger".

So ya, if you post the error you get when using the old PC it would give us a clear idea, otherwise, try to set your new ledger to show P2PKH addresses.

oh ya, and be aware of anyone trying to help you via PMs, they are most likely going to attempt to scam you, keep the conversation public here, and don't post your seed phrase or private keys no matter what.

I'm aware of that but I'm asking about the "connection process" between Ledger and Electrum/Sparrow. Do you actually need any of that instead of just plugging and authorizing the connection from the device?

If you are sure that the seed phrase you back up is the correct and the wallet you’re recovering returns a legacy address that’s if you did it properly then I will say you might have add a passphrase which is the 25 word and without it you will be getting a different wallet with empty addresses because that’s not your own wallet.


Yes you need to add the custom word that you use to extend the seed. Without it you will be getting a total new different wallet, it works like a passphrase. The extended seed in electrum is basically to create multiple wallets from one seed phrase with just different custom word at the end.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but even if you had an extended seed phrase, I don't believe you need to use that when you're trying to open the wallet using Electrum or Sparrow.

Are you sure you selected the correct account type (legacy) when linking your wallet?

Something else I'm not sure I understood is regarding the "dust amount". So you can see this small amount in Sparrow, Electrum, and even in Ledger, but the difference is that Ledger also shows the 1.7 BTC which you say you can't spend? It would help if you could share a screenshot (by uploading it to an image provider) of the error you're getting.

After holding my bitcoin for a long time, i think i have somehow completly fucked up and they are gone. I have my bitcoin stored on a ledger and use ledger live. I have had a new pc recently so decided to install ledger live on my new pc. It dosn't show up my bitcoin account. So i went back to my original PC and ledger live still shows my bitcoin there. However when i try and make a tx i get an error message which i will provide in photos. Also when i connect my HW wallet to another bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Sparrow wallet they find absolutely nothing either, apart from a small account with some dust that ledger live also finds, which i sent the bitcoin from. I am gutted . For some reason in 2019 i sent my bitcoin to this address here 19NduweV3Hn8RXHFBQ32pKwCtbP5RBKwQw

ledger live on my old pc still still shows this account as mine as you can see in the photo. Yet dosn't let me send any bitcoin from this address. My life savings gone on some dumb error on my part.
The only saving grace i can think of. Is that this account is a 'secret account' where you can add an extra word to your 24 word pass phrase. Which i do remember setting it up as i have it wrote down. However i am not sure i ever sent bitcoin to this. The problem is i had to recently buy a new ledger hw wallet because of the screen dimming issue on my old one. So maybe i need to set up the 25th secret word on the device propely? and by some miracle the bitcoin is in that account. i dont know how though?
And i havn't input the 24 word key into my new device wrong because this key has some shit coins on it which it found. I know its only 1.7ish bitcoin, but its basically most of my life savings. Thinking i had done everything right buying a hw wallet and storing my coins myself and now its gone is heart breaking. I know this is on me, somehwere i have fucked up and dont know how but still.

Any advice much appreciated

i am sorry i am not sure how to add images.