Topic: This is a new concept for crypto-currency that you never heard before (Read 515 times)

A mathematical approach to crypto stability - a small nugget

http://rartokens.com/blog/f/a-mathematical-approach-to-crypto-stability-a-small-nugget

Third party review of RAR Tokens in youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JgZzFnqqCw

HI All,

Any solidity developer who is willing to code review rartokens' contract code?

Some exchanges require code review from the community as part of their requirements.

PM me if you are interested.

Please read the latest article:

The future of cryptocurrency may not be for a lone coin or token but a family

http://rartokens.com/blog/f/the-future-of-crypto-may-not-be-for-a-lone-coin-but-a-family

Please check these blogs:

RAR Tokens theory of stability for crypto-currency (The basic)
http://rartokens.com/blog/f/rar-tokens-theory-of-stability-for-crypto-currency

In Ratio we trust – the basis of stability for crypto-currency
http://rartokens.com/blog/f/rar-tokens-theory-of-stability-for-crypto-currency

Adding Artificial Intelligence to cryptocurrency – a crazy idea
http://rartokens.com/blog/f/adding-artificial-intelligence-to-cryptocurrency-a-crazy-idea

Nice concept and this is what users needed. But I believe this is not a concept, this is how the system works. Concept is the ideas and will created become reality by team to make services. Even you have great concept not guarantee will survive on real market, some project has simple concept and survive and this is what we are looking for. Thank you for information and I think it will be great if you make a blog/ video to get more audiences.

Anyone care to read my latest article:

Adding Artificial Intelligence to cryptocurrency – a crazy idea
http://rartokens.com/blog/f/adding-artificial-intelligence-to-cryptocurrency-a-crazy-idea

The RAR Theory of stability for crypto-currency is license
under Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 4.0 : https://zenodo.org/record/1186405#.WpdCnOfLebg

This theory is not solving everything. This theory will not kill Bitcoin or other coins/tokens or any of it. Those coins will exists as speculative instruments and will be not useful for daily use.

I am happy for those who profit well with this volatility.
 

When crypto will have stable price we will not have such profits 

I don't agree with you here. This is an extremely volatile crypto market and I am not expecting stability in this market anytime soon. It is completely possible that some of the major crypto currencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin etc will exhibit stability, but I am quite certain that will happen after a long time and not anytime soon.

Personally, I don't have a problem with this volatility of the market since it helped me earn healthy profits in the long term and short term. The coin that you are suggesting and the goals that it is trying to achieve do not seem realistic which is why I am not optimistic about this coin.

I don't understand your question.
But to answer, I am newbie and I only registered this month because the project was only finished last month.

Why you registred this month?

It is a dream, a dream that one day will have a stable crypto-currency.
It is a math solution not a business solution. It is a manifesto with clear numbers for ordinary Joe to understand the RAR Theory of stability.
I am the least important but theory is, whether it is crap or there is something on it. I am not convincing everyone, its up to you to read and decide.

This sound like a dream to me, I just check ed the webiste, no information on the team which is a concern to me, also the whitepaper has a very funny title term manifesto, if this is mathemetically backed then the team need a sound whitepaper to back their claim

RAR Theory of stability is not about the business. It is a mathematical solution that tackles the issue of stability in crypto-currency. It could not go beyond the premise of the theory.  

With its goal of stability, anybody could create a business on the top of this, but that is a separate thing.

My papers and articles are out in the public to support the case.

Yes you are right this project concept is not new and unique theres a lot of good project that have a good concept but in the end their turn to scam its better to provide us a project with a real product to attract more audience to pattonize your project but stil the idea of this project are good you need to improve your project to make people aware what your doing.

Crypto is still very young. There will be lots of endeavors to bringing it forward.

This project is interesting, but it is not necessary to say that it is unique and there are no similar projects. I know at least two similar projects which are currently exist with MVP. But I will not deny the fact that such projects are very useful for a crypto community. I wish you success.

RAR Tokens Articles:

RAR Tokens theory of stability for crypto-currency (The basic)
http://rartokens.com/blog/f/rar-tokens-theory-of-stability-for-crypto-currency


In Ratio we trust – the basis of stability for crypto-currency
http://rartokens.com/blog/f/rar-tokens-theory-of-stability-for-crypto-currency

absolutely, we should brainstorm on how we will push crypto-currency in to the future for betterment.

kryptqnick,

Those high volatility cryptos are not for ordinary Joe. They are speculative and cannot be used for daily use.

Those cryptos should continue in the hand of speculators only and not for public use.


RAX, AVY and RAZ tokens are the realization of RAR tokens theory of stability. They are the working proof of work and nothing to be added further.  
They were created to solve only one thing - to tackle the issue of stability, and nothing to do with any business. There is a possible business road map to be built on the top of this where you need a big team - but that is a separate thing.

At the moment is only dev and and may grow as time pass by. Wei'll list official dev later on.

You are absolutely right and I support your thoughts about the fact that any analysis of the project is a very good activity, in any case we will observe what is happening and we will be on the alert.

Okay, maybe your system of tokens will regulate the rar price based on pure mathematics and stuff.
The problem is that people here are mainly interested in ways to earn profit out of trading the coins. That is why coins with high trading volume and volatility are in favor. If rar tokens will be predictable and stable it will make trading for profits very hard.
And it's a shame the project doesn't have an official team and roadmap.

In case you have not gone to the blog about the basic concept :

http://rartokens.com/blog/f/rar-tokens-theory-of-stability-for-crypto-currency

RAR tokens theory of stability does not aware or know about the market or existing of other coins/tokens/fiat.

It is not the first token like this. There is the DAI token which is pegged with USD. And also Tether.
If RAR is pegged on ETH, Bitcoin, Litecoin, it won't be a stable coin. As they all depend on Bitcoin price.

Any attempt to develop technology is very good. We will observe how this project will manifest itself, although I have already seen similar ones

dado7,

RAR tokens theory of stability for crypto-currency is based on trust in the form of value ratio.

The value ratio is always constant; this would be the basis of trust between tokens or coins. Violating this trust will destroy their integrity and eventually will lose their intrinsic values.
 
On the other hand, price ratio is  relative, but proportional to the value ratio. (for very a simple example, if the value ratio between two tokens/coins is 1:2, the possible price ratio would be 1:2, 2:4, 3,6 and so on... or even in fractional number) .

Now, if the market is bullish on these tokens/coins, price ratio would increase in fashion that is proportional to the value ratio. Any movement of price ratio that does not conform (like 2:5 or 3: to the value ratio is an anomaly and trust is violated.

On RAR tokens theory of stability, it does not have knowledge about the market; whether the market is bullish or bearish, it does not have an awareness of any other coins, tokens or fiat. What is has is a self-determination if price is violating the value ratio or not.
 
The tokens/coins, on the RAR tokens theory of stability, are not competing with each other but rather colluding in a consensus manner. Somehow similar in a blockchain, all tokens/coins have to be in agreement in their prices based on their value ratio.

In this manner, the tokens/coins will have a degree of control from within as if they have intelligence that can determine what price is acceptable and not.

OK, I understand your concept now. You aren't working on bringing the stability of prices (which I think is one of the crucial things for mass adoption - if you were the owner of Amazon for example, would you be willing to accept something that can be worth 1/100 or x100 in a week?) but you are working on implementing the stability of ratios and your example with oranges is very good to illustrate your point.

However, the usability of this still eludes me. As you mentioned it is good to gain the trust if you compare markets, competitors etc. but how would your coins, and market, actually benefit from this? OK if you would fix the ratio of say..... RAR to Bitcoin (like kn to EUR, DEM to EUR) but what is the benefit of fixing the ratio between three new coins?

There is nothing to deny this fact that one can surely earn a huge amount of money once he gets into the world of crypto currency and there are people who are making a huge amount of money too. However, you need to work a lot and that you need to work consistently and try to gain as much amount of knowledge as you can. Crypto will definitely bring money for you but the condition is you need to stay firm and consistent.

Agaton,

I know... lots of tradesr like the high volatility that lead to big profit.
These speculative cryptos are not for general use but only for glorified casinos.


SeanL9941,

Stability...refers to stability of its value. Not just price only but also the value it represents.

'Without stability, it would be just a speculative instrument and will not be suitable for general use. Practicality comes only if the public is confident enough to rely that it is a stable store of value.'

RAX, AVY, RAZ tokens are the first realization of this theory. There might be no demand for it or it may. Only time will tell.

Didn't quite get - the stability of what? The idea is beautifully described, still practical use is quite opaque.

What purposes does each token serve for? Why are you so sure there will be demand for any of the three?

Nothing thrills if price of all crypto-currencies having a natural and stable price, many people love to invest crypto because of the price situation that unstable, and their total value up and down. And in that situation many investors concentrating about the price movement, by buying and selling. This is on how the way being manage by all crypto creator.

dado7,

RAR Tokens value Ratios are always constant.

The movement of the price (up or down)  should conform to the ratio value of all parties involved, thus, the trust is kept.

For the three tokens to preserve the 'Unity of Prices' (UOP) principle,  if one of the tokens price goes up by a certain amount, the other two tokens should also goes up by certain amount.
So the amount of increase for each token should be proportional based on value ratio in order to say that they are in agreement (ie. trust is kept).

For example, if RAX token is priced at 2.62 USD, AVY token is priced at 1.62 and RAX is priced at 1.0.  At this current price level they are in agreement and trust is preserved.
If RAZ token price goes-up to 1.5 USD, AVY token has to be priced at 2.4 USD and RAX has to be priced at 3.9 USD in order to keep the trust.

But in another scenario, if RAZ token goes-up the price of 1.5 USD alone, and the the other two token did not, then there is an anomaly and trust is not kept. So by self-determination the two tokens are in agreement and RAZ is not. There will be pressure on RAZ to come back to the previous price of 1.0 USD in order to kept the trust.

There are three tokens but these tokens work as a single unit. If one of the tokens is subjected to inflation, the the rest of the tokens may be subjected too, as long as they preserved their 'Unity of Prices' (UOP) which is the price amount increases are proportional to their value ratio.  

There is  'Token Price Calulator' on the home page, and you could test price of a token and see the equivalent price from the other token.

OK, if I understood correctly, you propose a stability of value in terms of stability of ratio, not in terms of stability of price.
So, when the price of one coin goes up, the price of other will go up by the same amount? 
That would mean that each of the tokens could have a different person, but you could have some gain from keeping them in the same ratio.

However, it is also hard to keep this behavior as if you would for example list all three tokens, one could receive much more investments then the other and it would  be a subject to hard appreciation and inflation pressures.

P.S. Try to edit your posts and not post in succession as I believe it could provoke a ban (deliberate post count building) and it would be a pity.

This explain the basic concept of the theory of RAR tokens

http://rartokens.com/blog/f/rar-tokens-theory-of-stability-for-crypto-currency

Let you decide if the RAR Tokens theory of stability is nothing or there is something on it.

someone has removed my thread on 'Bitcoin Discussion'. It might be becuse someone mention ERC20 on the forum. Anyway that's ok.

The HODLwin WIN token has a unique feature, it was launched with a dedicated buy back contract.  This buyback contract has one mission. That mission is to purchase our WIN tokens back from token holders. Any ether that is generated by HODLwin once we get the platform up and running will be programmed to feed directly into the buyback contract. Any holder of our WIN tokens can call the exchange function on the buy back contract to swap their WIN token for ether whenever they want. This exchange contract cannot be turned off or stopped as it lives on the block chain. As long as we can provide a source of ether for the contract it will always be available for token holders to use. The contract cannot pay less than the final crowd sale price for WIN tokens, if no one is willing to sell at that floor price it will increase the amount it is willing to pay until a willing seller is found. When tokens are sold to the exchange contract they are trapped and essentially burned meaning that the token holding percentage of those who have not sold will increase. It is basically designed to provide those who HODL longest with the greatest reward.
We are pretty sure it is the only token out there with this concept at the moment!  Even though we have listing on as many exchanges as possible on our road map they will never be essential for token holders to swap their tokens for ether. No registration, sign up or extra fees associated with exchanges is required. It is truly a decentralized system. Check it out on the ANN page https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29897104 or at our website www.hodlwin.com both the token and buyback contract are already live on the blockchain to inspect the code, its very simple, straight forward and transparent.

alkhie01,

I am not worried if I am just newbie. I am not for quick bucks. This will be my legacy if this works right.

go to the website and check the white paper manifesto link:
http://rartokens.com/

Posting an Ann with very few information and using newbie account will not attract a lot of investors.What will is they will think that you are just want to scam them.

The important is the value ratio, for example in the barter system without money, an orange will be exchange for two apples. and vice versa. This exchange ratio will always be  constant in all the communities.
When money/price is introduced, the price will proportional to their ratio. If apple is price at 1 USD  the equivalent price for orange will 2 USD. What ever price dictates (up or down)  it should confirm to the ratio.
If you go to the other market and their are selling orange for 3 USD. you know immediately that is not correct because apple is worth 1 USD only. This is a self regulation based on value ratio.

The Fibonacci beautifies the ratios to be more natural or even perfect

Don't be confuse, there three tokens but these tokens work as one unit. The three tokens will have different prices but their value ratios will be the same.

There is 'Token Value Calculator' on the website that calculates what would be the value of the other two tokens if the price is given for a token.

thanks dado7 for your feedback.

Is true the the price are governed by supply and demand. Price might move up and down. A particular scenario was described in 'Jargon Of Words.pdf' also on the website. It will give a scenario when the price of one of the tokens  changes.

Note that these tokens are working as one. Their prices are not based on their average.  But their value (nor price) is based on their ratio (value ratio). This value ratio dictates the price ratio.

Seems interesting. I like new concepts and I read the paper. However, I don't see a long-term sustainability here.
Based on your calculations I confirmed my thoughts on this - I thought that the only way to preserve to value is to make a bridging system and keep the surpluses of value moving around.

However, if you keep all three coins on exchanges you will automatically have a problem.

Fibonacci by itself doesn't mean anything, it is just a tool used in statistics that is kept as a norm so that all predictions can be made on the same basis. It is also calculated in such way that it can provide the most usable data. While being very handy it is not a crystal ball or a magic wand.

Value of the token, bond, coin, or whatever good is given by the rules of supply and demand. Value of a good is only as high as how much is someone willing to pay. Since there is more than one person trading with a single good, the actual value is the average of all trades made in a certain period of time. Above principle is explaining why the water is worth almost nothing while gold which has a much less usability is worth much more. Most of the people will say that the scarcity is creating the value, but it is only the most important parameter, the rest is simply "as much as anyone is willing to pay".

Hence, if you put all three of your tokens on the market they will be eligible to the rules of supply and demand and the only way to control them would be to intervene through increase/decrease of supply or trading (functioning something like a central bank). There is also a problem of the back-up. Your RAX could be backed by AVY, AVY by RAZ and RAZ by RAX, but really if the inflatory pressure would be high then they couldn't back themselves and they would need an external intervention or other back-ups like gold...... If you would put only one of the coins on the market then also eventually the supply of the two back-ups could dry out and you would have a problem.

I am glad to hear that you are gaining from crypto trading. With high volatility , profits could be massive I imagine.
As you know, if you are gaining, someone also is loosing.

Maren,
Tell me what about Bancor and I will explain what RAR token concept of stability difference

the fact of the matter is that many users with the help of crypto currency are earning, not stored to save their funds. Long-term storage, it is the hope of increasing the price of their investments.

Should have read Bancor whitepaper first before making big claims.

if we do not want stability then it is for gambling only. Happy for those who gained and sad for those who loose. Its casino.

Tether is based in USD and indirectly regulated by fed.

True crypto is independent.

Why not bring regulation intrinsic to crypto. This how the theory of stability comes in.

We truly want a true independent cypto that is decentralize and widely used.

We let the speculative to the specualtors, and the one for the people.

Interesting concept..

Its very interesting but as others have said, no one will be interested in cryptocurrency with price stability as most people here only want to invest in cryptocurrency to make huge and fast profits. Personally, I think this kind of currency is what a lot of people are looking for during Bitcoin bearish, because they want to keep their money in a stable currency, but I wonder how this coin will do against Tether which is more stable in price .

This is a  mathematical solution for crypto stability. Read white paper manifesto for details. www.rartokens.com

speculative coins are good only for trades not for Joe

pure speculative like Bitcoin. We will not use Bitcoin to buy groceries, food and basic needs

if crypto is not stable, its only for casino and will not be used by ordinary people.

Who wants stable currency, stable doesn't go to Lambo moon!

You have to read the white paper manifesto and understand the two principles - the 'Epistomology of Supplies' (EOS) and the 'Unity of Prices' (UOP)
These two guiding principles dictate the stability and predictability of the tokens. This is the RAR tokens theory of stability.

this concept is similar like concept of consensus in blockchain.  Each token is checking it own value from the other two tokens and that create interlocked of value.

these tokens are self-regulated and mathematically interlocked to each other in order to achieve stability and predictability.

Ask me if you have question.

Gov't will not able to regulate crypto that is popping-out every minute.

What we we need is to bring regulation intrinsic to crypto itself.

And this how the RAR tokens theory of stability comes in.

This is a mathematical solution for stability.

either this a breakdown or breakthrough concept, but if this solve the problem of stability for crypto-currency, this will revolutinise on how we deal the  future stability of crypto-currency.

You have to read the white paper manifesto and understand the mathematical significant detail on it.

http://rartokens.com/

ANN thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rar-tokens-self-regulated-and-mathematically-interlocked-tokens-2880391

please read the white paper manifesto to see the details and judge it.

So? Does it have a ANN thread, and I hope to learn more about this token through the ANN thread.
Otherwise it just looks like a scam.

You are going to keep your coin stable, practical AND predict price? Sounds like a scam to me.

What are RAR Tokens?

RAX, AVY, RAZ Tokens
RAR Tokens are a family of three token systems - RAX, AVY and RAZ tokens. These tokens are unique innovation and can be described as individually independent but mathematically intertwined to each other to create a stable platform for business and commerce to strive. Each token is equally valuable and has a vital role to play in order to achieve stability and predictability for its value and its price. With three token systems, it provides a support mechanism for sound value balance and helps to minimize value volatility deterioration.

Realization
RAX, AVY, and RAZ tokens are the full implementation based on 'RAR tokens theory of stability for crypto-currency' with a goal to achieve price stability through constant feedback.

Why Three Tokens?

For Stability
Group of tokens that naturally support each other to preserve its stability in term of its value and its worth. These tokens retain their own individual uniqueness, yet there are interconnected working for each other.

For Predictability
It helps to self-determine the ideal value of a given token providing the reference from the other tokens, and aids to detect if a certain token behavior is outside the tolerable limit of acceptance from the other tokens.

For Practicality
Without stability, it would be just a speculative instrument and will not be suitable for general use. Practicality comes only if the public is confident enough to rely on that it is a stable store of value.



To find our more about the details, please read the white paper manifesto on the visit : http://rartokens.com/

ANN threads :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-rar-tokens-self-regulated-and-mathematically-interlocked-tokens-2917280
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rar-tokens-self-regulated-and-mathematically-interlocked-tokens-2880391