Topic: This is a total nightmare (Read 876 times)

How i wish its just a total nightmare that when i woke up everything around me is normally go smoothly just like the old time. But then,  the reality hits me.  We are in deep chaos and all the people around the world is extremely affected by this crisis. Too many losses in all forms and the economy began to drop down. And in order for us to survive, its not bad to try something new, an alternative ways to earn for a living. It only depends on our capacity and passion to do those things that we can benefit with. We can all still be productive in our own ways, despite the profession or job we are currently doing or we usually do. Being infront of a computer and working in a digital world for a long time is quite fine as long as you are still getting big profits. If not at all, i suggest it should be wise to do some agricultural stuff and be with nature. It could actually refresh our minds and be more active positively amidst of this covid-19 Pandemic. 

Speaking of vegetables, I don't follow the phenomenon that occurs in other countries. But in my country since the pandemic, the trend of gardening, growing vegetables hydroponically and raising fish in buckets has become a new habit for many people, whether it's for killing time and looking for new activities during quarantine, or because of the rampant campaign for family food self-sufficiency by eating what is produced by the family is a necessity due to the pandemic which will further destroy the joints of the economy of individuals, groups, and countries.

Besides the pandemic, everyone is getting creative and starting to learn to sell what they can make. Many have campaigned that "the 1 USD we spend on our friends' products can mean today's food for them." Many are moved because many consumers can still use their savings to support others, but the question is how long? until the pandemic rolls over, there will be more victims economically and socially, so that purchasing power will decrease over time.

Oh and you don't know the half of it, 4% of the price increase of btc during July was fictional, as it was due to USD losing value compared to everything else, which in turn made it also lose value against BTC. I think there needs to be a better standarized FIAT to compare against.

This is the one of advantages and the second one came on surface during this pandemic. Many countries closed their borders and import was difficult, also for agriculture products and people turned tp domestic products, for which they know how are where were grown. This is the advantage.that every agriculture producer should use.

Airdrop of tokens are still here though. There are certain projects that airdrop to holders, EOS holders usually get airdrops from new tokens and same with ETH holders which some developers decide to send out airdrops for marketing. Its not however valuable. Nothing is given for free today. Its better to just buy at least 0.1BTC if you have plans to ride the train.

An option to grow your own veges like tomatoes or so will save you, it only takes 3 months and you can already harvest some of these plans. Cucumber and bitter gourd grows anywhere and will ony take less than 3 months to bear.

It's great these days if you're producing clean food like the high quality veggies for vegan freaks.
I don't see how bitcoin going up against the dollar could be a bad thing and make it hard to buy it. Even if it goes to 100k it's still going to be easy to buy. You just have to stop looking at 1 BTC like you look at 1 of any other currency. With Bitcoin getting 0.1 is a step in the right direction. Times where people were giving away 1BTC for free are gone forever.

If you look at what the OP said, he never said he is shutting down his IT business and moving to agriculture. Why would you think that he is running a business with many employees and turning to agriculture when he plainly said he is moving because there is no scope and the competition is really high and the stress is too much and in my opinion if the OP wants to move to something that gives him happiness that is more than important than anything else.

Re-assessing is very important in which ever field you may be. One should be ready for a change and keep moving it. Also upgrading our self is so very important and if one is fully confident that the next move is totally in the win -win situation and would prove much better than existing one then one might need to take a chance else it might land someone in trouble due to such wrong move.

Such things like the Euros have beaten the US dollars when it comes to price value and government pulling out businesses are all effects of the existing pandemic. Yes, those can be considered as a total nightmare but such things are just for temporary while the world is still into the situation of crisis brought by the pandemic.

The US dollars value have been beaten up all due because up until right now US is still struggling to control or manage the number of the infected individuals in their country which brought their economy to experience declination because they are still the leading on the top most part of the world when it comes to the number of infected individuals by covid-19.

On the other hand, government is not totally pulling out the businesses. It just so happen that sudden temporary closure must be implemented to exhibit health protocols needed to control and prevent the spread of virus. But with the new normal set up existing, businesses are back into operation with minimal working capacity and following strict protocols to ensure the safety of everyone not to get infected by the virus.

Such things are just temporary although they were a total nightmare as of now, but such things will soon to come to an end once the vaccine become available to treat the virus leading everything get back to normal.

Instead of leaving your IT business and moving into agriculture, how about you run the both Businesses?

A situation cannot make you kill your IT Business, think of other people that are into the same Business, do you think they quit because of this? You just have to come up with a new strategy that will help your business growth. And if you’re afraid, then agriculture can be done in a small scale so you will be able to focus on both. And as for BTC, no matter the price there will always be people who are ready to buy it.

If you are working online, you are going to face extreme competition these days. Are you reading the forum? It is full of posts from some web-developer complaining about that thing exactly


No, this has nothing to do with religion

I'm mostly referring to this post. So if you are a developer or something to that tune, you should be familiar with this phenomenon, the so-called "legendary cheap Hindus". To set things straight, this is not my invention. However, I've heard about it from different sources at quite different times, so there is definitely a grain of truth in it


You don't take into account the tough competition that you will have to cope with and get rid of when offering your services online. In other words, the "legendary cheap Hindus"

It is obvious since I was talking about giving up on your business that I was not talking about those that temporarily close their business but about those that do so permanently, however as deisik stated above temporarily closing a business can be nothing more but delaying taking a definite decision about the future of the business, besides what guarantees the owner will be able to solve the problems of their business in the future when he has been out of the loop for months and depending on the industry that could be enough for the game to have changed significantly.

Depends on your location if you are a local service provider but if you are working online then there are massive opportunities because you can learn new languages and polish yourself and find new level of clients with every new skill you learn.


Can you please clarify because as far as I understand you are into some religious bs which is not the right thing to discuss on a public forum.

Anyways coming back to topic, I believe offering local services can be a tricky part of a job because locals near you would always know what is the real cost of the service you provide them while working online for clients abroad can get you higher payment for the same service that you provide locally.

There are investors who made lot of money from this pandemic crash so not everyone got affected who are one buying now to bring their total worth to more high.Agriculture can be a profitable one because now there is high demand for food products but remember you can't grow anything over night so make sure you have money to survive in that meanwhile period.Is it also possible to work in an IT and can manage your agri farms with workers

SUPER True, maybe this is the momentum to change and use a modern system. The advantage which bitcoin and other blockchain have to offer. With efficiency, companies can utilize unused human resources for things that have not accomplished yet. This change should have implemented a long time ago, and why should people wait for a pandemic.

And about IT Job, I got several bounties offers email every day. such as:

"*** Network will be committing $50K monthly for projects which utilize *** in their DApps. Register your DApp"

"There is over $250k in prizes & investments waiting for you. Click here to find a hackathon that suits you."

I'm not an expert developer, but at least I know where to find work that suits my expertise. At present, it is not difficult to find that information. The point is, if you work harder, then you can play harder.


People who can't sell themselves will not reach anything and satisfies in life. Maybe he is afraid, we all knew where the luck side.

You can purchase bitcoin in small quantity, why would you want to purchase an entire coin if you are not having the financial freedom and what i did not understand fully is how is the government forcing you to go out of business when these asset valuation increases.

If you have the passion and resources to do agriculture, it is not a small thing as i believe it is the future as you are feeding the world and we need more farmers and if you can incorporate technology with farming then it could be a successful venture.

I have dealt with agricultural business for almost half my life and I know about the difficulties and problems that are associated with this activity. It's not as easy as it seems. For example, if we take into account the current realities in Ukraine, then agriculture has a lot of problems, especially because of the weather conditions, which have begun to change dramatically in recent years. Many agricultural firms are starting to fundamentally change their livestock fundamentals and approaches to cultivating the land in order to make a profit in the current environment, rather than permanent losses. The coronavirus pandemic and the effects of global warming only exacerbate the situation. Therefore, it is more profitable to invest in gold or cryptocurrency, especially considering the current forecasts for the future prospects of the cryptocurrency market, but at the same time engaged in agriculture. It is best to always have an alternative.

Investing in gold or in agriculture business are very much different since they require different skills too. You may close your first business temporarily as it will not click this time of pandemic but resorting into an agriculture business is a good revenue too since you own already a piece of land. If you can manage smoothly your agribusiness, you can even make more profits from this compared to gold investment.

As much as I want to agree with you, there's nothing more permanent than temporary

This is not my observation, and it has been tested in ages as it has strong grounds, even if it sounds more like a joke. Okay, your colleague closed his business as he thinks for some time only, until the dust settles and the sun shines bright again, as it were. So far so good. But how will he know that it is the right time to open up again if he is no longer in the biz? And when that time comes, how can he be so sure he will have an inclination to continue? The point is, if he really were into this thing, he wouldn't shut it down. But if he is not, it will be hard to restart. To sum it up, keep us posted

Great people are those who can avoid potential problems. Being realistic and closing a business does not always signify a businessman giving up. I take for example the business of exporting my colleague's shells, the shells exported are usually used for raw materials for crafts and for the production of buttons. An automatic pandemic and the closure of some tourism objects caused handicrafts to be deserted by buyers, so my colleague temporarily closed his business and gave severance according to the law to some of his employees. With the consideration of my colleague, I do not know how long he can run strong, but by laying off employees, it also prepares themselves to deal with this condition.

Temporarily closing a business does not mean giving up and keeping quiet, my colleague tries to open a number of home-based businesses and continues to send offers to several new shell buyers around the world while supervising children's online learning.

A big plus of agriculture is that you can feed yourself and your family with quality products. And if you will do everything right and you have enough capital, then you can also sell what you have grown. I think you also will have time for your design services.

First of all, when there is a hiring, it is wildly known that they overask for stuff, they ask for 8 year experience in a 3 year old technology, they ask for a lot more stuff than they actually need, and there is 2 reasons for that.

First of all, the HR is asking these stuff, not the tech department I have been involved with an interview like that where they asked someone to be basically master of SQL of any kind, and I mean like literally master, has to be doing that all his life for a very long time, I went there saying "I have never worked any SQL job in my life, but I know how to use it as a hobby" and got the job, can you think of the difference? Like someone who has done it for 10+ years was asked and they hired a guy who never done it professionally. Secondly when you apply, they do not look if you fit that description or not, they look at all the people who applied, and pick the best CV out of all applied people.

I have to agree switching from one another is not easy especially if you are already established with it you can't get enough what you need if you will jump out instantly. Like online businesses right now, As I notice to my daily feed on social media, those businesses who already has an online option are getting a lot of orders/customers unlike those who just started during the pandemic, worse is that they only have a few people noticing that they have an online business. As for businesses theses days, technology based businesses is growing like computer and accessories since the new normal will be mostly available online. IT degree holders will have many direction on where they want to excel to.

I have seen you a lot in the forum spy100 and I actually like the thread you have made in the services section but from my honest opinion you need to just learn some marketing skills, I have seen more talented users not getting the job while someone with less talent grabs that opportunity because of the way how they present their services and how they communicate. I am not at all saying you are not good in communication, I actually never worked with you, so how would I basically know.

What I mean to say it, you should create a attractive website because believe me while you will get some projects because of your thread in the forum but you need some website and stuff to attract customers globally.

I do like your work and you made a challenge recently about a particular BOT and if someone can bypass it, right? I like what you are doing and hopefully you get more business and don't change your line just because of tough times.

I agree, this is an endurance test there are many companies that are going to disappear and there will be a lot of people that give up but once this is finally over those that remain standing will receive the benefits of less competition and more profits as people go back to their old spending habits, and you want to be there to take advantage of those circumstances, I am sure that anyone that gives up now on whatever business they have will surely regret it down the line.

IT is not only the least affected in a bad way but in reality Covid has really positive effects on it, especially on web development. During this pandemic, a lot of companies were trying to move on online services and a lot of companies made new websites, apps, softwares and so on. Demand on web development was very high and I see a lot of vacancies posted asking for IT developers. But idk what's happening around to this guy, I remember he created a thread Business / private sector is dead and had the same dissatisfaction around IT (including blockchain development too).

Agriculture business is great too, especially Bio/Organic Products as you have less competition in this field. But it needs good time and investment.

Corona pandemic really makes us suffer, this is indeed a nightmare for most people. I agree with you, even I come from
an Asian country, which for IT projects is indeed valued very low. Luckily I have started an agriculture business since the
beginning of 2019, so this year I have got the results. It's not easy to do business in agriculture, it takes patience for
can be successful. I just when it took 6 months to be able to get profits from the agriculture business.

This is a phase where only survival is necessary rest of the things can wait or we need to hold it. So that we can bounce back rather than falling apart now. This is a time where we need to become more stronger, start to think of alternate or how can we change the things we are doing to become more efficient or add something new to it so that at the time of re-opening we will have something new to offer as well.

Exactly!
All this whining of modern white-collar workers is no longer even funny. Guys sit at home and write their shit-code from the sofa while drinking a decaf latte with almond milk and confidently talk about how bad they are when they are ordinary hard workers (without which there would be no this parody of milk, nor its technology, and much more) are now really much worse off. As in the joke where the rich man was upset that he could not buy another yacht because it would have to buy a personal port, and an ordinary man is happy with fresh vegetables for dinner.

I agree but this will totally take some time to be able to come back. A lot of business are been closed already. Vaccine need to be release immediately but the real score about the vaccine will take place by the end of the year. IT industry seems to be back on their normal situation since IT sector can able to work from home and can be able to prove important things to their employees.
I’m more worried about the situation of workers not be to work like public utility drivers, construction workers and other workers lose their job. There the one who totally in nightmare right now.

Wow, that last part was amazing. Very well said, dude. And I agree with that. This pandemic have affected and continues to affect all of us regardless of what you do in life. Maybe, for a while, shifting to a different field is an option in order to survive. Many have lost their jobs and a side hustle would be a great help in this trying time. But drifting away from your original work or business is not that easy unless you are really decided to shift career. After all, we're in the digital era. IT-related business would always be in demand. Agriculture would never go out of style, too. So maybe you can do both. Enrich your land but not necessarily leaving that IT side of yours.

There's another point worth mentioning

If we agree that the current dynamic looks pretty much like mid-late 2009, we mustn't discard what happened a few years later. That is to say, we should also envisage a crash followed by another decade of painful consolidation through most of 2020's


Somehow, I thought you should have sold out at the peak of a historic uptrend and bought back at the bottom of a downtrend no less historic in order to actually beat inflation. Then no questions would be asked, indeed

Don't forget that basically all major governments around the are printing money. The dream if the politicians would be if all people take out loans at nearly 0% interest rates and start investing. I think that everyone here on the forum realizes that the current price levels don't reflect the state of the economy. The aftermath of corona are not fully known because there is still no vaccines yet.
So if you have spare cash and want to invest in crypto currencies I would still think about buy atleast some. There might be a price drop coming for bitcoins if corona intensifies. But in the long run there is no upper limit for the price.

if this is the case by choosing another path to agriculture to be productive in order to make money, I think this is not the wrong decision made by the op even though from IT to agriculture is very different, the most important thing is that he can overcome the problem and can continue to provide for his family in any way.


the market will certainly not die while there is still trading activity in it, although lately Bitcoin has increased, everyone is free to buy Bitcoin at any price range

In any ways that there's possibilities to earn as this pandemic really
affecting everyone's life.


You can buy bitcoin in satoshi, means that you are correct you can
have piece by piece.



Hahaha, practical if you are really aiming to invest, you can do things
like this just don't do any illegals.


It won't happened unless there's really a big problem that affects the entire
industry.

You can buy a fraction when you need it to pay someone. If you don't have a source of income, then you don't need it. Buy food, mask, and hand sanitizer. Stop posting unimportant statuses and questions on social media to cut your internet bill.  Don't forget to turn off your lights or use candles to save the electricity cost. When you have extra money, then buy a buck or two and keep the bits until the last halving occurs. Investment is something that you can't force from your stomach nutrient.

he said he is going to agriculture and he can earn profit with it to continue buying bitcoin if he wants to continue his bitcoin career  .  other user said that bitcoin can be bought in pieces , we can afford bitcoin at any cost  . its impossible that you wont have a money because there are so many ways to earn  . you can even beg to your parents for some bucks and thats enough to buy a bitcoin  . market isnt dead and wont be because thats a total disaster if thats happen .

It wasn't a comment about the effects of inflation.

A new ATH = a technical breakout on the chart after a decade of consolidation. The point is a range breakout has occurred and gold prices are set to trend significantly higher. The chart looks an awful lot like mid-late 2009.

Markets range 80% of the time and trend only 20% of the time. If you hold gold during its historic uptrends, you'll beat the hell out of inflation, no question.

Some people really have no grasp of devaluation, specially on the more stable economies of the world (read: USA), it's easy to forget how bad inflation can get when you've never personally experienced it in a significant manner. Now I know the USD has steadily inflated over the years, but it's slow enough for people not to notice the harm it can cause, and makes it hard to gauge how different things were, specially with all the new technologies that come up, it always feels things are going forward at a steady pace and they don't care much about the economic side of things.

I wonder what pointers you use to call a deflation is on the horizon, I've been hearing for months about how many economies will crash, I'm no economy expert but I've lived through several economic depressions in my home country which gives me just a tad more perspective, but not enough to call future behaviors of things.

IT isn't looking very promising these days

The space is massively overcrowded, and the decision to move to something else seems to be a right choice, especially when you are still young, say, under 35 years old. Indeed, there's no rule without an exception, and if you are offering some local services (I dunno, maybe network stuff or in-house developing) or taking a very specific niche (you know, without "the cheap Hindu element in it", yet), then you should probably stay. For a few more years, wasting the precious time of your life, until it is too late to change your career path

Maybe all these are false signals. Pointing to higher inflation when in fact a tsunami of deflation is on the horizon?

I do not think there needs to be any reason to move from one sector to another sector, if you want to you could do that at any point, pandemic or not.

I was working in hotel business for example and during that period I really hated it, thank god I am not doing that for the past 3-4 years now but can you consider how my friends who are still doing that got affected? I mean we are talking about a period where everyone was afraid of getting Covid or infecting their loved ones and they still had to go most of the days and that meant they were basically risking their lives to make some money.

About 3-4 years ago I decided I do not want to do that anymore and moved to another business, now I am working freelance and I am feeling much better about it, there wasn't any national or global crisis, I just wanted to change and I did. So, I support OP if he wants to change as well.

Some of us have family to take care of ... we are not all born with a gold spoon ...

How in the world is hiring ...show them to me ? as i sent my cv to 200 companies by now


Here is an example of some stupid idiot posting a job ad :

FullStack Developer
$5k – $10k • 10.0% – 20.0%

Hello Developers,

• 2-3 years experience developing in Java.  ---> he wants you to know Java
• Proven track record of delivering end to end solutions from scratch. ---> What the f..uk are talking about you stupid son of ...? Go ask my last boss for  ssh login details if you want to see what i did
• Enjoy building production grade code then supporting and maintaining it once it goes live.  ---> So you want web developer to be a webmaster also
• Courage to dig-in, refactor code, and explore new technology. ---> So you want me to debug code and learn new tech ... ok i will learn new tech if you PAY ME
• Knowledge of micro service technologies and building REST APIs.---> Ok
• You are proficient with following technologies / technical aspects
• Core Java & Java Frameworks: Spring Framework / J2EE / Reactor   ---> 3 frameworks ... mofucker are you crazy ? do you know how much time it takes to learn 3 frameworks ?
• HTML / CSS3 & JavaScript / TypeScript. Added advantage if you know ReactJs / Redux / AngularJS -> Another f...king 2 framworks ---> Do you know how much time it takes to learn does you stupid moron ?
• Node.Js & Node.JS Frameworks: Express / HappiJS ---> Express and HappiJS  ,Who the f.... uses HappiJS you idiot ? You train your developer you dumb f..k
• Data Structure / Algorithms ---> Do you know how many algorithms they are you dumb son of a ... ? Did you even open the Encyclopedia of Algorithms ,Here you go Genius : https://doc.lagout.org/science/0_Computer%20Science/2_Algorithms/Encyclopedia%20of%20Algorithms%20%5BKao%202008-08-06%5D.pdf 1200 pages
• Unit Testing using JUnit ---> unit testing usins jUnit ---> in what school or company do they teach JUnit you moron ?
• Object Oriented Analysis and Design ---> This is a technical approach not used by all you stupid f...k

• You are competent using following technologies
• MySQL / MongoDB  --> MySQL and MongoDb .... seriously are you  a f..ing  Alien or something .... ? 2 ways of managing databases and making sure they are secure ...
• Container: Docker / Rkt  ---> 2 containers ...no s...t !
• Orchestration: Kubernetes / Mesos / OpenShift ---> How the f...uk uses this ? Not a single web developer that i know uses them
• Messaging: RabbitMQ / Kafka ---> What the ?  So you want me  to communicate with what ? I used Hangouts / Telegram / Whatsapp / Skype ....
• Design Patterns ---> Only in big companies they use Design Patterns  you stupid f..k
• Integration Testing / Performance Testing ---> Now you want me to be a tester also ok
• Agile Development methodology ---> And Agile ... most companies don't use Agile you moron ...

• You have working knowledge and some experience working with following technologies
• Scalability / Performance Engineering  ---> AWS / DigitalOcean / Google Cloud --> just came out a few years ago and you want experience .... if you pay the bill sure no problem i will learn
• Application Security best practicesskills-Qualifications-BE/B.TechExperience-2 to 3 Years ---> And hacker with diploma ....hackers with diploma ? Are you a moron ?

This is what i have to deal with ... and my fellow developers ....it's a nightmare ...


If a develop knows node.js and express.js you train him to use HappiJS
If he knows MySQL you train him to learn MongoDB
If he knows React / Redux you train him to learn AngularJS
If he knows Docker you train him to use Rkt
Same for the other technologies ...


Most companies use tech that they only use ... what a company uses does not mean that other companies use  ... either you train new blood or you take good care of your experienced developers ...

And for 5k/ month to know all this stupid guy is asking i wouldn't even get out of bed .

On one hand, you say that you'll need to increase your prices up to 5 - 10%, what for?
Is it for your IT biz? But on the other hand, you are thinking to move from your IT biz to agriculture! You're too confused atm and I suggest you should consult a legal investment advisor before taking any decision because it'll definitely affect the health of your capital.

After watching your comment before mine, I'd like to add something more. If you're from IT industry and you can't even afford a piece of BTC (I'm not saying 1 whole of a BTC but some part), then I guess your job is worthless. Another thing, why do you think you need to change your job when companies have started hiring those who can work from home?

How are you going to buy BTC if no income is coming ? To buy BTC you must have a source of income (work etc) ...now the market is dead ...hope it gets better

I really don't the bone of contention here. All these while, the price of bitcoin had been relatively constant for weeks it began to seem that there is no longer room for either development or increment and now the $10k barrier was broken few days ago and now there is still some concerns about how a government is trying to run the entire crypto enthusiasts out of business.

I think everyone can buy bitcoin at any price because they can buy a fraction of 1 bitcoin. Bitcoin is used not only for investment. People use it to send money. They can buy according to the invoices they want to pay at any price. Bitcoin is safe electronic money, especially in the middle of a pandemic, while paper money transmits the disease. One of the potentials of bitcoin.

IT and agriculture are strong synergies and can improve the lives of farmers. I speak because I went to an agricultural high school. I learned all subjects in first grade and took landscape as a major. After that, I went to university majoring in IT. I have been successful in breeding fish that I learned in first grade (betta splendens) and selling them via the internet. I have won many national and international (IBC) contests with my team.

I suggest you combine both industries.

The increase in gold prices makes many people shock because they do not predict the rise, but that is what happens now. People who have a lot of gold will make a lot of money if they are selling their gold now, but I wonder if that can make gold price will stay at the high price or not because if many people sell fast their gold, it could make the price jump to the lower price. I wonder if that will impact the other market or not, but bitcoin had already increased a few days ago.

Of course too, IT business is thriving now. I wonder how op is complaining where hoteliers should be.
Schools have gone online this period and many other service providing agencies.
Maybe he just wants to go into food production too.

Absolutely! No words can express how devastating this time is.
But, just hang on...we may experienced hardship now, but I guess this will be over.
Agricultural jobs is far different from IT thing. Knowing both the kind of jobs is quite awesome! And for me, its always been great working in the farm because we can interact with nature, relax your eyes, refresh your mind, fresh air, fresh foods, and animals if there is. Its an advantage actually. So, if you have a land, then go try it. After all, you can still be connected and do IT jobs from time to time.

Even if they are that vulnerable like what you have said the tech industry is not as vulnerable to other industries where their business involves around products being sold physically or properties being leased as right now these types of businesses are the ones who goes first in this scenario like Airplane companies shutting down their operations and Hotels closing down some of their branches for goods. Tech industry on the other hand doesn't have these kinds of vulnerabilities so I think it's really better if the OP tries to answer this question directly as he is the one experiencing it in his company.

Oh, again the miracle cure!
How would this have helped the OP when it clear he can't find clients that pay him enough for his work?

Just because he is going to be paid in crypto you think people will pay your four times more for four times less the effort?
Cryptos are money, if the client doesn't want to pay you more than 300$, he won't pay you even if it's euros, yen, bitcoin, eth, or some token and if you talk about decentralization, he is already in a decentralized environment, he talks directly with the client, how more decentralized than p2p you can go?


Same here, why the sudden rush when it makes zero sense based on the news?
The so-called second wave started a bit earlier in few countries so that wasn't a surprise, the future doesn't look that bleak as it was when everyone was in full "we're all going to die" mode, so probably is just speculation or manipulation. We will see in the next months how this will end, if it deflates as fast as it has grown probably it was pure manipulation, and some gold bugs who have jumped all in are going to regret it, just as they did 7 years ago.

I guess depending on what type of business you have, IT is the future as the world is evolving into a digital world.
If you have a job or business, you maybe are just affected by the current situation, but mind you, this is just temporary as the moment the government will release the vaccine, the world that we once knew a better place to live will come back.

It's easy to say you move from IT to agriculture, the question is do you have the knowledge and the passion to be successful in that field?
Having a land is not enough my friend.

This is why it's very important we have very safe, very decentralized and easy to use crypto. You could build the right ecosystems and get people to earn, reward and trade with each other with moderately deflationary cryptocurrencies/tokens.
It's also risky (in my opinion) to rely too much on centralized usage of cryptocurrency.    So, you have to worry about that also.
I would invest long-term in a well decentralized, easy-to-use crypto, driven by right principles, rules and consensus

Not even in a developing country would accept that.  Even beggars would earn more than that in just a month.

Anyway, I think the client just want the best of you in the most minimal price.  He is just trying the what ifs of negotiation.  Just dump that client, he does not deserve professionals like you.

It depends on his capability to engage in both industry. If he can't do both then he just need to choose only 1 between these two, and he chose to engage in agriculture so its up to him. We just need to respect other people's decision and encourage them to continue what they're doing to become successful in a path he pursue. We can't conclude right now, because maybe he find agriculture the best for him and he prioritize it, and IT can be his sideline.


It is true, because as our technology is continuously developing, programming will never be outdated because they are required in every businesses and also in high demand.

Most times I dont trust analysis that put other currency ahead of dollar, it has failed severally. The economics behind dollar is strong and such stories are trap for those that react to it. Looking at the coming palliative with this news some might expect the worse but we need to remember the position of America and dollar in the world economy, it cant just slide off like every other coin.

why will he need both knowledge when he said that he is leaving the internet and he will switch to agriculture . he sounded like he already have a knowledge on farming and for what that he have a land if he dont have any idea to do with that ?  agriculture isnt that hard to understand and its the reason why less educated people prefer it or will fall from it  but im not underestimating it or the people that does this job but i am proud of them because this industry plays a big role .

It's the same everywhere

In any business no one gives a slightest fuck about how much effort you put into your work and how long it takes. However, there's a bright side to this. If you are on a strict deadline (it's actually not a bad thing unless it is completely insane), you can demand payment on exactly the same terms. If they fail to pay on time, you can either kiss them goodbye (not a good thing) or ask for an advance payment next time (a much better idea)

You do understand that a) you are not the only one in a similar situation b) it will not end soon
And instead of crying that everything is lost, it's better to pull yourself together and be together - this is the only way to successfully survive all this.
I'm sure you'll be all right too

Wrong move . Don't move but do it both. If you need manpower to do it then do it just don't give up your IT business because what is happening right now is just temporarily. Even the recent pump right now of the assets are just temporarily .

Can you share what is your IT business too and your possible business in agriculture if you may only so we have an idea. The demand for IT goes high as years go by but still it depend on what business you are right now in IT industry. Anyways, good luck with your transition if you will continue it and take note that nothing lasts forever . This will end so think wisely.

This is what you mean? Gold hits its ATH just few hours ago during this apndemic? I'll say wow.

Source:
https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do

Many people working with USD payment may feel worried about it because of the value. However, doesn't an increase and decrease in currency values often occur? Let's see, many countries in the world also ever experience bad things about their currency value toward USD where they are like facing a crisis. So, if you really can survive during this period, you may not need to panic. We don't know how long this will last and you may start analyzing the market so far. However, it is your own decision to move to other industries or not. Or you can still stay at your current job and also has other focus on the other industries. So, if USD is increasing or decreasing, you still have chance to survive because you have two different types of industries.

Lol at this.  OP, things might look bleak for you right now, but remember that nothing is permanent--especially the price of gold, the value of the euro to the dollar, and everything else in finance.  Just hang in there and things will probably improve for you.  I'm sure you've noticed that we're living in some crazy times, and often when I look at the world it's like I'm seeing it as the reflection from a funhouse mirror.

I'm not surprised that gold (and silver) are shooting up in value; I'm surprised that it's taken this long for that to happen.  I figured in the initial days of the COVID-19 outbreak we'd see gold & silver on the moon rocket, and now I'm wondering what the catalyst is behind the rise in prices.

And hey, if you can support yourself with the land you own I say go for it (but only if it's something you'd enjoy).  There's always going to be a demand for IT services, so you can fall back on that if you needed to.  Best of luck to you--and to the rest of us in these lunatic times.

If the pandemic continues and stopping lockdowns in various countries cannot boost the economy and create demand, it means that purchasing power will decrease which will be followed by price declines, if it lasts for a long time, depression will occur. Today many technology industries can still survive because people can still pay. But the final uncertainty of the pandemic has led to new questions about how long can tech companies last? So far, IT companies do have fantastic income so that they can have a lot of savings to slow down the impact of a pandemic for their existence. But there is also the potential for people to not be able to access the internet for long because they do not have enough money.

Everyone, all groups, all countries are in a marathon running to fight corona, one by one they have begun to fall and enter the path of recession. Business is stagnant, savings are depleted, finding loans is difficult because of the global effects of a pandemic.

First of all there is nothing wrong moving from IT to agriculture, but also remember agriculture is an never ending improvement and there are a lot more methods of producing crops than just having a land, you can now grow foods in labs in buildings, and it will both cover less place plus it will also give a lot more crops. Do not just check what I am saying but check out everything else as well. Population of world is ever growing so there could never be enough crops in the world.

Secondly, you could improve in IT business as well, I am sure some people could, but not all business has to become a success and rich, some business' fail, and that is alright, we can't expect every single business to actually succeed, if that was the case everyone in the world would have their own business and there would be no workers.

I can't know what your company does to make a living off of it, but I am pretty sure you can optimize the process this way so you still can gain profit from it.
Otherwise, starting an agriculture company is not a bad idea either in the long term 

Yes, and there's a whole world of consultants out there just waiting to fix mismanaged outsourcing by inexperienced project managers

Another aspect of the virus yet to fully come to light will be increased outsourcing to cheaper countries. Tech stuff is super vulnerable to this and many companies have realised there's little need for a physical location or physical meetings.

Those who didn't consider it before certainly will now and there's a whole world out there willing to work for less.

From what I have seen and from what I have said in relation to this I think that the tech or digital related business is the one who will survive this rather than the businesses who need their products to be sold physically since tech related business not need too operate in an office where people need to be together, their industry is a perfect one for be working at home. So I'm really curious why are you taking a hit when I don't see most of the companies in the tech industry being affected that much. Is it in your customer or what kind of business do you have?

Maybe, he had a reasonable decision why he switched to agricultural from IT. We really need to adjust depending on what is happening in our surroundings and if he find agricultural as his next job or business then that's a good thing. It is always depends on the people on where he think he can grow more not only sticking to a single experience.


That's a wise decision to make, you don't really need to push or force something to work.

Sometimes you need to think of the possibilities that might happen to your business as this pandemic don't end as soon as possible.


You should always be confident with what you are doing, and hoping that you will not regret your decision. Goodluck to your future! Prove them that switching from IT to agriculture is worth it.

The price of gold is only moving according to the natural supply and demand, while you are right when you say that a sharp increase in the price of gold is indicated by many books as a sign that people are losing trust in the economy and are trying to find ways to save themselves the growth itself we are seeing is in fact very low, after the Nixon Shock in 1971 gold went from roughly 42.5 dollars on August 1971 to 195 dollars at the end of 1974, this was close to a 5x increase in 40 months and I do not see gold doing anything similar in such a short time frame.

Yea, in hindsight, I shouldn't be giving too "politically correct" suggestion. Thanks though for doing the dirty job

However, regarding the "nightmare" stuff, in my country (and I think globally), businesses haven't fully recovered, and layoffs are still happening. People who were fired or in a brink of bankruptcy would regard this situation as a nightmare.

Not really, the "boom and bust" is everywhere! Not sure if there is empirical evidence to support the relationship between the increase in gold price and crash/recession. It would be best if you find one before making such claim.

I understand minimizing costs ... but 300 euros for 3 months of work ? not even in Eastern Ukraine they accept that ... not even the lowest skilled worker in that country will accept this ...

Obviously, whoever the client is mad.
I actually agree that your services is the need now.

Perhaps you cannot just find the right clients. I wont stop there.
There is so much out there rather than switching to something far away from your skills.

Consider the facts also that clients are trying to minimize their expenses due to the virus but your example is just the worst.
No IT will agree with that, even the lowest one who is in deep need of money.

When people invest in gold it means that they are expecting something really bad to happen ... in portfolio diversification chapter they always tell you to put some of your money in gold like 1-10% ...well this looks like they are moving like 50-60% of what they have in to gold ....the stock markets are not moving up it's just govs creating the illusion that indices are ok and everything is back to normal,they are pumping money in stock markets do to fact they can print as much as they want ...on crypto : this is another pump and dump by institutions / hedge funds etc ... what makes btc so special so that price of btc increases from 9600 usd to 10375 usd in such a short period ? Did btc discover a coronavirus vaccine ? Did btc discover a way to stop world hunger ... ? It's just a coin based on blockchain nothing more ... there are thousands of crytos out there...

Yup. This is a very interesting disconnect between 'physical' work and the virtual. I don't think it's a perception that's going to change soon enough to save many an industry either. So many other areas have been blown open by the advance of technology too.

If I were starting a working life now I would have to think very carefully about the future of the area I was planning on specialising in. Most of the people I know in practical trades make loads more money than those who spent years at university to end up pressing buttons.

It tells me a FOMO is happening and that the bubble will burst again, other than that it tells me zero, did I get food poison from it? Do I win the lottery? Did I lose my job? Did I get a promotion? Oh, wait, nothing of the above!

Again, other than gold moving up, where is the nightmare? What is so bad that I shouldn't be able to sleep at night?
People are investing in gold, gold prices go up, people are speculating and they might be right and they might be wrong.
Yes, we're heading from a recession but looking back to the dark days of April even a 8% GDP slump till the end of the year is good news compared to the scenario that were thrown at that time.

well that is the point all economic textbooks and all investing textbooks tell me that when gold price increases so does inflation increases ... Gold is a anti inflation financial instrumant...

You shouldn't worry much about the price increase of assets like Gold and bitcoin. It was expected that the price of Gold will rise 15-20% this year and I have written like 10-12 posts on that since January. But increase in assets' prices have little bearing on people like you who are earning in fiat money. The more important metric that you should concern about is 'inflation'. Compare prices of essential goods you were paying in January (stable month before Coronavirus Pandemic) to current prices. If you are still able to put bread on your table at nearly same price then I don't know what are you complaining about.

I don't know why you are so concerned with the increase in prices of Gold and bitcoin. Price Curves of assets and securities have more dynamism/volatility than the prices of consumer goods (CPI index). We don't consider economy in danger if assets outperform National Income of the country.

Some people i tell them to buy ready made scripts as it's cheaper and i design template for it  or work on that script and we add new features...but there are some situations were you have to start from scratch ...

And some people actually want to start from scratch even if you tell them there is a script for that ...

When gold futures moves from 1600 usd to 1942 usd in 5 - 6 months what does that tell you ?


What does all economic and investing books tell you when gold price increases 17,62% in a short period of time ?

its not just you that are affected in this economic crisis, those who are looking to start a business are also trying to get cheaper services to save funds. how is a web development project going to take months, are you going to start from scratch? you just need to offer that client an option to take short route like CMS.

agriculture and farming is a good choice, be self sufficient.

I had clients in Europe but the big companies hire recruiting agencies ,you just give them your cv and all you can do is wait ...
Another problem is that they want you to move there ...i have family to take care of where i live ...i just can't move to another country just so you can watch me "code" ...the only way i can do it is remote ...

I gave my cv to a "uk company"  few days ago we agreed to work remote and to do a test project ...they wanted someone to code html/css ...so i said to them ... i will send you video of my work for each project, if you like what you see in video you make payment and i send you the html/css files after ....they said "no" ,they wanted me to send the html/css code and after they make payment if they like it ... Basically screw you we going to pay if we want to. but we going to do what ever we want with your code ...

In coding biz it does not matter where you live or how many hours you work on project ...only thing important is you deliver your work before deadline and client must like your work ... that's it. And if you do programming it must also be secured and no bugs .

That is because nowadays everyone does websites, everyone can install a theme or a shopping cart, when you on a freelancer websites there are hundreds and thousands working for pennies, so itr's normal for a lot of people when they see this amount of offers to lower the price they are willing to pay.
When you get quotes from people from Asia for websites in a few hundred $ it's quite impossible to pick a westerner for 2000$, isn't it?


Agriculture as in surviving, or agriculture as in surviving and earning a bit to buy stuff above clothes and light bulbs level?
The first can be done by almost everyone if you have land and it's not really shitty rocky or mostly clay soil or in a real extreme weather region.
Second, that's whole different stuff altogether, the basic knowledge you learn from Wikipedia or discovery is not going to help you.

And since we're talking about agriculture and people like to think of basic survival agriculture as having a few animals on their farm let me tell you this..
Animals don't know it's Sunday, animals don't know it's X-mas or easter, they don't take weekends off they don't take holidays, they don't give a damn it's your birthday or it has just snowed.  At 6 o'clock, you'd better be fully awake and strat feeding them and giving them fresh water, and then....oh god...prepare to clean..! It might be your birthday but the first present you're going to get will be a load of crap!


Back to the nightmare the OP is claiming is upon us...Sorry but I don't see any.
I don't know from what part of Europe you are but here things are slowly back to normal. Another apocalypse avoided.

Ironically it can help to raise prices. Gets rid of the cheapskate clients and the ones that stick around usually gain more appreciation for the time you give them. If all you have are cheapskate clients you're shit out of luck though.




Have you been trying to acquire projects in Europe? Unfortunately the market has been mostly locked down by head hunters but expertise is still very much sought after.

Exactly like that it is ...

They're not joking, nor are they mad... They just don't realise our skillset is valuable. They just see our punching on our keyboard and nothing physically gets produced so they think "i can do this, it's more of a hobby, why would i pay anybody for this". Offcourse, our skillset also takes years to develop, it's not free, it's not our hobby either... But hey, that's just not how we are perceived.

I can't even recall the amount of times i went over to friends or family to fix their home computer, and they don't even offer me something to drink. Just fix it and get out (you don't get payed, you don't get a cup of coffee, you don't even get gasmoney)... And if their crappy homecomputer breaks withing a year after you fixed it, it got broken because something you did a year ago (according to them) so it was your fault and they basically force you to fix it again (for free offcourse). ugh...
On the other hand, my nephew is an electrician. If he has to fix something for friends or family he charges €15/hour (wich is cheap in my country) and everybody is gratefull for him coming over and giving the friends and family discount... But he comes over and physically changes something, he works with powertools and electricity, so nobody thinks this is his hobby...

Well i just hope it will get better else 15 years of experience goes down the toilet do to some chinese guy in Wuhan who decided he has to eat bats  for dinner... if it goes bad i will raise prices and do something else until it gets better again i hope...  i can't complain as i can afford to raise prices and wait ... but some people can't ... IT sector is crumbling...people say they need us but i don't see money moving ...Today someone asked me to build him something that takes 3 months to build i gave him price 4500 euros ...fair price do to economic coditions ...and he wanted me to build his project for 300 euros .... "300 euros for 3 months of work are you joking or mad ?"

well dude,just for reminding,my uncle on my hometown work as a farmer,on 2018 i am back to my hometown, and I do what he does on his farm. for sure its really hard,and also many many thing u need to learn about agriculture,i just wonder,did u really want to sacrifife your IT skill just because this pandemic,just try some new thing with your skill,i am sure u will get some,rather than work as a farmer,i doesn't say farmer is a bad job,of course it is a noble work,but well,its just kinda dissapoint to see people desperate like this.

Have you already reached a problem with a lack of buyers or is it thst you're expecting this trend to continue? Did gold have much to do with this?


I guess if no one gets interest from risk free places like banks and don't want to take the risks on bonds or shares - the precious metal sector has a lot of attractiveness. And if they're below the inflation rate currently since 1980 compared with the dollar that means they might still have growth space.

Gold's ATH was 40 years ago. That is adjusting and accounting for inflation which I'm told is the entire point of gold. If you'd piled in in 1980 you'd still be waiting to break even. This is why it doesn't cause me to thicken and engorge.

Exactly ... and it's based on International costumers that pay in dollars ...dollar falls  i have to increase price do to fact i am based in Europe ...

Judging by his signature he is in "Web development,Web Design & Graphic Design services".

I don't see any direct correlation between your IT business and the Gold,Euro and Bitcoin prices.
What exactly is your IT business?During the last few months,the IT industry was flourishing,there's no reason to complain.I assume that you are located in the US and your revenue is in US dollars.
Agriculture is a really difficult business and you still depend on the government for support.
I don't think that "no one will have money to buy" Bitcoins.Most of the people have some savings and they will soon discover Bitcoin as a financial safe heaven.

real nightmare..  maybe this can support this topic https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-25/the-message-behind-gold-s-rally-the-world-economy-is-in-trouble.

Agreed, i've been a sysadmin for a long, long time... And I don't expect to be jobless in the near future (unless something horrible occurs). Everybody is teleworking so demand for people that know how to keep hardware running, know the basics about networking, know how to configure and troubleshoot OS problems is high ATM (at least, in my country).

Yep, it's a nightmare. But I'm not sure about moving from IT to agriculture would be a good idea because both require different skills, plus you will need more capital. Well, it depends on you, do you have enough motivation to learn and start from zero?

Look, I also forced to close my business temporarily, and what I said to my stakeholders was, "try to survive this pandemic by any means necessary, and we will come back stronger than before." In other words, there's an option to stop the business temporarily, not to change direction permanently.

What technologies are you working with? IT is very broad and anecdotally IT seems to be one of the sectors that's least affected by the pandemic. If you're in events or tourism, then you're fucked, but IT seems to be fine for the most part.

Whoa, I hadn't noticed gold just hit a new ATH against the USD. Risk assets are looking bullish as hell.

Without knowing the structure of your business or where you're located, it's difficult to comment. Your business has foreign exchange exposure to the dollar? To gold?

How is the government putting you out of business?

Where are you and what were your potential margins?

I think any currency exchanging services will always face problems with exchange rates unless their margins are high enough to cover the volatility.

I guess if you're selling gold could you not buy as the orders come in instead of maintaining a surplus?

This is a total nightmare

Gold is now 1941.25 usd today
Euro value is increasing against the USD ...
What this means is that soon i will have to increase my prices to 5-10%...
BTC is now above 10200 usd ( How in the hell is going to buy btc ? if no one will have money to buy )
Govs are putting us out of business ...


I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...