Topic: This project is over. (Read 2186 times)

Hi there just because the bull and the bear are in similar positions it inst actually trying to reproduce the sculpture in the slightest so it is not in breach of any coyright laws this I am absolutely sure of.

Haters I termed the people who have since removed comments and I tried to speak with privately so as to not make public my leaked designs. One however did take action which I appreciate.

But now I have an influx of abuse which is interesting to say the least. I am very sure none of you would say this to me in person so I shouldn't really take it as Defamation should I? Its just people angry at me for some reason.


Your first coin the litecoin I have seen and is a great design and concept with out a doubt. But if you compare side to side then some elements of the design were similar to other coins on the market at the time. I really don't see how it could be considered more original to what I have produced (apart from the mishap with the Chicago Bulls - this was completely an oversight and fail on my side personally - however not just myself gave it the all clear). The coin is fully original and within any law of copyright infringement. I am in no way trying to replicate the sculpture in the slightest and that is obvious. A sculpture is a sculpture and this is and embossed coin from a sketch that has animals in a similar position. You cant claim copyright infringement unless I was trying replicate it. Look at the paintings for sale which have the Eiffel tower here http://fineartamerica.com/art/paintings/eiffel+tower for an example. I have been involved in artwork my whole life I do know these things.





Thank you for this it is indeed interesting and I will have to investigate further to see how they worked their way around using part of the logo which we did.

there's something i dont really understand , concerning chicago bulls logo ...  after few quick researchs,  it seem a bit obscur , about the copyright & or creative commons licence registration on this artwork..    the strange part is:  "aparently" there's no official registration from chicago bulls, and google seems perturbated too on this point....




any explainations ?


edit: this seem confirmed too..  http://www.publicdomainpictures.net/hledej.php?x=0&y=0&hleda=chicago+bull

I have to agree with opinions on the forum.

Everyone here is trying to prevent you from big law suits, you should be happy with such honesty.

Bull vs Bear is not a new concept, but the design must be original.

I sculpt all my artpieces from scratch.



As said the design it is a copy of the Stifel statue.

Cut your losses, learn from this experience, start from scratch and create a new coin, the actual mint of the coin looks great.

One more advise, don't call your potential customers haters for being honest, it's bad for business.

Good luck, if you need some design help let me know! 

This. You aren't fit to run a business and why anyone would trust you with their money is beyond me - this is another Coinographic in the making.

Wasn't it minerjones who pointed out the Chicago Bulls reference?  You gotta give him a free coin as well, right?

I know you don't want to read more criticism, but you may want to change your art even more, because, as smoothie pointed out, it looks too much like the Stifel statue. 

You don't want Stifel coming after you, especially after you've sold and delivered the product.  Sorry to say, but I would start the drawing from scratch, just to be on the safe side.  The concept of a bull and a bear fighting is a good one...just don't make the design such a duplicate of an earlier piece of artwork that people are challenging you on a public forum.

The feedback saved you a LOT of money.  Imagine if you found yourself in a lawsuit with the Bulls or STIFEL if you had not heeded the advice from posters on the thread you started.  You are lucky to have a community where you can get honest feedback...one without bias.

I look forward to seeing your end product and I wish you success.  You have gotten farther than I have in minting a coin 

To be clear I was talking about the usage of the Chicago Bulls logo which from what I gather is a direct copy of the original art. Am I mistaken on this presumption?

Also I don't believe giving constructive criticism is "hating". Then again I can only speak for myself and what I have said thus far.

Speaking from my own experience in making coins, I've always tried to keep to originality. All my art is custom art (with the exception of the simplistic LTC logo I used on my LTC coins which was open to community usage).

I know you said the artwork is not like BitcoinArchitecture's but is it a copy of the STIFEL image you posted?

Many people on this forum were trying to help you, to avoid legal issues. 

LOL... Yeah this is a great way to sell coins, indeed.  Good luck with that, cryptomint!  

Edit - Plus what zepher says

Gotta say CryptoMint... You are an ass.

That's all. Good luck with your sales.

You baited me back with this and I attached the original artwork 'flipped' just to show its nothing like it. As for the whole concept sure I got inspired from bitcoinarchitecture but this is a coin which has been made for people as a more interesting way to invest in bitcoin. His was a work of art. So how I stole anything is completely beyond me. I even offered to give the person involved a free coin so he can see how art can turn into a coin and to say thank you for the inspiration.





Anyhow we have decided to clear up the 'bulls' head issue. This has been wiped off everything and replaced by something incredible. Actually this is even better. What we have replaced it with is also copyrighted and we have permission to use it for a fee.

Thank you tremendously for all the haters anyway I do appreciate it. There will be a few people ignored during sales and I am sure you know who you are. There are certain ways to speak to people whether in life or online which are considered disrespectful and all those who fell into that category will unfortunately will be ignored.

smoothie I feel like giving you a free coin for baiting me back to this. We were simply going to carry on with the new design which is going to be even more grand but because of you this coin is back on the menu. Time wise both coins will be released 1st or 2nd week in November. Only a few will be sold on this forum as we have buyers willing to buy already and also want to attempt to target different markets in order to bring more appreciation to bitcoin.

Thanks for taking the time to read and I wont answer any more questions until coin sales have started.

Dang, that was really fast to close the project. 

I was hoping this would turn into something but I see the concerns about the designs now that the issues were raised.

Go Bulls!    

Was it ever revealed who was reviewing the coins before public release?

Unoriginality is not the way to go.

Well said Lauda. We will create unwittingly a monolithic monopoly over the collectors and there is nothing they can do about it. I respect this forum and users a great deal and do not want any part of copyright infringement, copying designs or unregistered legal identities. The OP talks about gold it was probably fake gold. With no registered company how would you know? A lesson to be learned indeed and probably a very harsh one for the OP. I hope he has some time to reflect that you can not mess around with the users of this community and we are not stupid. The winners write the history and he was a loser. Bad luck.

There are lessons to be learned here.

Why? Because you hit a few bumps along the road? That happens with every new coin maker.

It would appear that a ton of money has been poured into this project.. It would be a shame to give up now


LOL!!

Seems about right.

waw... that's was fast ... 

Wooow this is going too far this project is over and I am officially no part of it anymore. How setting reasonably good turns into a shitfest. I am personally making sure this project does not go ahead it's over.

This project is over.

I am going to post this link right here.... Again

It's not bitcoinarchitect design that was copied..

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkxHsSEzVAUo1ccs5CzGKzxzo5RnbZ_bURtBGkeAcObNk6m4Jk4Q

I wasn't trolling, bro.
I think you should spend some time to create your own design, rather than copying someone else's.

As soon as someone sends an anonymous tip to the Chicago Bulls, you're likely to receive a lawsuit for that (obviously stolen) design. This is such a disappointment. Hint: Taking down pictures makes you seem guilty.

You are trying to sell us your products, yet you will insult your potential customers who give you their honest feedback

Even though you were joking, it does not come across as professional.

I am interested in your coins, from what I have seen they have a very premium look to them, and that appeals to me personally.
I have some gold coins which are in very fancy wooden boxes.. Why not crypto?

The problem with what we have seen so far is it feel like you have copied some things, such as the Bull and Bear design ( yes it is somewhat different from bitcoinarchitecture, but it is instantly recognisable when you have seen them before ), and the logo for the Chicago Bulls that you used on your display boxes and business card, which you are now being forced to change.

I know a lot of us here are all for new makers to enter the market, but originality is wanted.
I am also quite surprised personally to see that bitcoinarchitecture has no problem with this.

Please don't take personal offense to this post. It is just my 2 cents.

Thanks

This project is over

Why don't you spend some time to create your own design?

This project is over.

I mean the bear and bull coin was inspired by someone elses' design.
I wonder if the phoenix one is also inspired by someone elses' design?

What do you mean?

Thanks for the update. Looking forward to see the design.
Is the phoenix coin design also inspired by another coin?

This project is over.

Hey guys,

The design does have some simularities to my design i guess 
Copyright is a tough thing, I think you need to change 5 elements of the design to not infringe.
Would have liked if they just contact me to do a joint design or whatever, but hey what you gonna do. 

TheCryptoMint has contacted me a while ago and said he was making a coin inspired on my design.

They are sending me a free coin, so that's a nice thing to do.
@TheCryptoMint: When are you shipping the coin(s) 


For the inverted Chicago Bulls logo: I do like it but it's taking a risk.

(I think I am entitled to a little plug  : Click on my signature to see my Bull vs Bear Design)

Thank you defcon32 (;

Really, I did not met with any of them before. Maybe I did not met them because I have not searched either. I imagined how nice a collectible would look with a phoenix only after OP mentioned that they would have a phoenix version. I still could appreciate an unique phoenix realization that make this coin not only nice, but unique too.

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OP, if you need help in GFX design, not only phoenix but a new bull for example, you can PM me! I could send you a portfolio and you could decide how helpful an additional helping hand could be.

It does seem to be shown on your business cards and other products like a wood box.  It should not be used.

The mythical creature Phoenix is a super good idea ! 

Technically, you could make a Washington Redskins coin.  I believe they had their trademark pulled by USPTO, and there was a South Park episode about it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_trademark_dispute

I am no lawyer nor am I educated on such matters, but this looks like a clear case of copyright infringement.
Are you 100% sure that you are not in breach of copyright laws?
As far as I know, you cannot take a copyrighted image, invert it, and claim it as yours.

I certainly wouldn't attempt to use a major sporting teams logo as my own, whether I inverted it or not. I would fear severe legal issues for doing such a thing publicly, as you have done.

On that note... I am interested in buying one

ho .. really ?

here you are:

http://goldsilvercity.com.sg/product/mythical-creatures-2013-phoenix-1oz-silver-proof-coin/

http://www.numiscollect.eu/index.php?task=product&p_id=15080&prev_id=&c_id=650

http://goldsilvercity.com.sg/product-category/collectibles/mythical-creatures-and-figures/

 

I look forward to seeing the phoenix one because as a symbol I love phoenix and I have not seen any other collectible that would have had any kind of phoenix as its logo :3 It is an interesting project, but I will want to see more pictures before thinking about order.

Also I have additional questions like what sizes will I be able to choose from?

I believe this is the statue that was used for the graphics image

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkxHsSEzVAUo1ccs5CzGKzxzo5RnbZ_bURtBGkeAcObNk6m4Jk4Q

STIFEL is an investment bank,.  Not s good logo to use for crypto coin...

Inverted, flipped, turned, or not...it is copyright infringement.

I never noticed that before!  Mind blown!

Hey cool....a licensed Chicago Bulls coin...oh wait...

You really need to change your logo.  Its copyright infringement.  You even have the hidden secret in the logo, with the robot reading a book.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/6/6/5786672/bulls-logo-upside-down-robot

And the coin itself looks far too similar as shown in mj's post.

LOl it see it was precisely the goal desired.... ( dont see it correctly ) man... he he he ..  

well done !   
congrats for the "promotional" effect

Hmm. Can you please re-tag the picture? I can't see it.

In any regard, I hope you intend to raise the bar.

I can you reveal the middle tag of the coins. looks like a bull.. better reveal the middle of coins so that its clear to see if this is good to collect..
the gold one also want to see it..

Looks interesting as well, can you share the prospective sizes for the coins?

it's looks like promising     i'm indeed interested as well ..

I'm very interested in this.please do let us know when the first coins are up for sale.

Will the coins be loaded with a face value?

Interesting but sounds expensive... 5 Oz silver... Gold...

Looking forward to more info and pics.

From what I can see, that packaging certainly has a premium look to it.

My poor wallet

This project is over.