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Topic: This shouldn't happen in the lifetime of the universe(Vanity Address generated) (Read 1401 times)

hero member
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JAYCE DESIGNS - http://bit.ly/1tmgIwK

i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

Luck is real.

I dont believe in determinism.

This is fuckin' amazing! You posted exactly what I was just gonna post, including the forgotten apostrophe in don't. What are the odds?

Much higher than what the OP claims to be happening. Although he can lie, but I would not rule out a possibility of compromized vanity software.
legendary
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Perhaps the most likely explanation is that he created the address in vanity gen, filled it with Bitcoins then posted this bearish thread claiming somebody else put them there. I feel this is the most likely explanation as it takes the least amount of effort compared with crafting a fake DOS box or cracking a poorly coded encryption application not seeded properly.

vip
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i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

Luck is real.

I dont believe in determinism.

This is fuckin' amazing! You posted exactly what I was just gonna post, including the forgotten apostrophe in don't. What are the odds?
hero member
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JAYCE DESIGNS - http://bit.ly/1tmgIwK

i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?

Luck is real.

I dont believe in determinism.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
Lightning strikes are common..
http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime

They also tend to strike in places repeatedly.
Proof of this is the advice they gave you to steer clear of them.
They are attracted to things like the highest point.. such as a tree etc.
Then there is rock that could affect that.

Bears are habitual.. i was camping a couple months ago and had 5 bear encounters.

They can smell a chocolate bar through a wrapper from more than a mile away.
They follow predetermined routes and usually stay in their own marked territories.
So if you go in that same spot again and again your going to see the same bear again.

Watch, Through The Wormhole - S05E02 - Is Luck Real
It does a good job talking about the issue.

and the fact that people over estimate the rarity of things.. and underestimate others.
a lot of myths about luck are easily dispelled.
like having the same birthday as someone else.. people think it's rare / special
that show i mentioned broke the numbers down and showed how it's not unusual at all.

i think the real question is.. IS luck real ?
Or is it all predetermined etc ?
vip
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That address was only funded about an hour or two before your post so the logical assumption, at least for me, would be that you funded the address.

Odds of such an event occurring...
legendary
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Can you post a signed message with that address?

1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

jacklito has found this address through vanitygen and now has the privatekeys for it

HCr11NL9hdUYHDjMWkaPw8PjbD2LAgLESwqM9RVfG/pZHiBHRFlBvbOREngoCbI/D5/mdB7jp1QbOz3D9g6Luco=

Maybe the vanity app has a shitty random number generator, and it generates in patterns that repeat on several PC's.

I recomment an audit of the vanity app fast, before somebody gets his BTC stolen.

I think the moral of the story here is don't use an address gen that uses the date & time to seed the PRNG. Of coarse there could be trickery involved here like making a fake vanity gen DOS box in photoshop with an existing addy. It's a vanity gen why would the OP create an addy with 1AxPR that's not exactly a very vein address...  
newbie
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damn lucky guy huh... but i still find it fishy finding an address of that kind with bitcoins through vanity is really impossible..

The thing is such improbable events should never happen. If you hear 1 in (Big Number) anything of that occurring
to anyone is just assume a make belief or a lie.

What if it really happened to a person per say "Joe" lets say. In an infinite amount of universes or realities there is bond to be one that has an insane event occur. Theoretically a person could walk through a concrete wall if all the quantum particles in his body were to shift momentarily. Yes its Googolplex to one, but then again its not 100% "0"
Just its so close to zero that you might as well call it 0.
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damn lucky guy huh... but i still find it fishy finding an address of that kind with bitcoins through vanity is really impossible..
legendary
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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4241376
If you are lucky as this man you would certainly find another addy via vanity.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
This is a fantastic story and i don't know what to believe.
I wish there was more ways to verify his story.

Buy some lottery tickets OP Wink
sr. member
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I understand why no one would believe this since its so improbable. It shouldn't happen in many universe lifetimes. However I checked it on blockchain seems to be a recently deposited address of some coins.

I used a vanitygen program to generate an address. Did one as a test or so, and see how the process of adding privatekey to your client works exactly, before I go out and generate an address with a name, or thing in the first few chars. Much to my surprise it contained 0.248127 BTC. Which doesn't make any sense what so ever. Sure its possible but we are talking many universe lifetimes for such an occurrence to occur.
https://blockchain.info/address/1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

I can understand why you'd think I am making this up. I would say the same thing in your position as well. The thing is anyone to generate a vanity generated address that has BTC in it is so unlikely that no one would even think once about it being true.

Anyways I thought I should let you know

Update: I am just wondering if someone could calculate the odds and post it here of the odds of such an event occurring.
its highely unlikely. what makes it even harder to believe is that the address was funded the sameday you found the key. i smell something fishy.
hero member
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Can you post a signed message with that address?

1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

jacklito has found this address through vanitygen and now has the privatekeys for it

HCr11NL9hdUYHDjMWkaPw8PjbD2LAgLESwqM9RVfG/pZHiBHRFlBvbOREngoCbI/D5/mdB7jp1QbOz3D9g6Luco=

Maybe the vanity app has a shitty random number generator, and it generates in patterns that repeat on several PC's.

I recomment an audit of the vanity app fast, before somebody gets his BTC stolen.
newbie
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Can you post a signed message with that address?

1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

jacklito has found this address through vanitygen and now has the privatekeys for it

HCr11NL9hdUYHDjMWkaPw8PjbD2LAgLESwqM9RVfG/pZHiBHRFlBvbOREngoCbI/D5/mdB7jp1QbOz3D9g6Luco=
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That is impossible. It is mostly likely the op is lying. If the balance is deposited 2 - 3 years ago with 50 to 200 bitcoins on it I would believe. The fact that the address is deposited at the time he created the vanity address is very fishy.

Consider the number is like 1X10^32, having it within a few hours vs 1000 days away, is still almost just as impossibly unlikely. It be adding a few extra zeros
instead of like.

1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00
Its
1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
For example. At this point 2-3 years away or few hours away wouldn't happen in many universe life times. Regardless.
No one ever finds an address that cointains coins.

Yes if I was you I'd be saying the OP is lying and frankly you'd be insane not to. Its just too improbable for it to be true.

so you have the private keys to that address?

Yes I do after finding it

Can you post a signed message with that address?
newbie
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That is impossible. It is mostly likely the op is lying. If the balance is deposited 2 - 3 years ago with 50 to 200 bitcoins on it I would believe. The fact that the address is deposited at the time he created the vanity address is very fishy.

Consider the number is like 1X10^32, having it within a few hours vs 1000 days away, is still almost just as impossibly unlikely. It be adding a few extra zeros
instead of like.

1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00
Its
1 in 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000
For example. At this point 2-3 years away or few hours away wouldn't happen in many universe life times. Regardless.
No one ever finds an address that cointains coins.

Yes if I was you I'd be saying the OP is lying and frankly you'd be insane not to. Its just too improbable for it to be true.

so you have the private keys to that address?

Yes I do after finding it
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why would you create a vanity address that looks like random meaningless crap ?
then why on earth would you go and run right away and check i fit had coins in it ?
i think your behavior+story is fishy / sketchy guy..

Well as explained in the OP. Here's more detail of what occurred.

I was testing in armory the import private key function. So typed something random and clicked enter in vanitygen.
I then proceeded to add it to my wallet to only find my wallet displaying a balance. Confused. I checked blockchain and to much my surprise
noticed there was a balance sitting on that address.

I was going to do one test then go to generate an address using the first few chrs of some significance like a name, object for example.

Yes again you shouldn't believe me and I don't believe it either since such an event is astronomically improbable. I mostly just wanted to know the odds
and got my answer in this thread.

so you have the private keys to that address?
sr. member
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That is impossible. It is mostly likely the op is lying. If the balance is deposited 2 - 3 years ago with 50 to 200 bitcoins on it I would believe. The fact that the address is deposited at the time he created the vanity address is very fishy.
newbie
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why would you create a vanity address that looks like random meaningless crap ?
then why on earth would you go and run right away and check i fit had coins in it ?
i think your behavior+story is fishy / sketchy guy..

Well as explained in the OP. Here's more detail of what occurred.

I was testing in armory the import private key function. So typed something random and clicked enter in vanitygen.
I then proceeded to add it to my wallet to only find my wallet displaying a balance. Confused. I checked blockchain and to much my surprise
noticed there was a balance sitting on that address.

I was going to do one test then go to generate an address using the first few chrs of some significance like a name, object for example.

Yes again you shouldn't believe me and I don't believe it either since such an event is astronomically improbable. I mostly just wanted to know the odds
and got my answer in this thread.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
why would you create a vanity address that looks like random meaningless crap ?
then why on earth would you go and run right away and check i fit had coins in it ?
i think your behavior+story is fishy / sketchy guy..
newbie
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Let's say it my way.
It's possible like if I win powerball jackpot for 5 times in a row.

Are you saying I should play the lottery? Maybe I should but then again chances have no memory. So my odds of winning the lottery is still just as likely as anyone else
and probably wouldn't win even if I played for 100's to 1000's of years.

Also If I did win 5 times in a row. They'd probably think I rigged it or have some inner rigged mechanisms and I'd bet I wouldn't get paid out and probably end up in prison for
fraud or attempting to manipulate the results. Just due to the improbability of such an event.
legendary
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Let's say it my way.
It's possible like if I win powerball jackpot for 5 times in a row.
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the chances are extremely low.
sr. member
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Just some odd bits plucked from the internet...

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However, if one was to chose a random seed, here are the probabilities of accidentally ending up with the same keypair / address:

To obtain the same address, the result of RIPEMD-160 hashing would need to be the same. Probability of that happening is 1 in 2^160.

To obtain the same private key, it is a probability of 1 in n, where n is the order of secp256k1 and equal to FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141, or about 2^256.

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In simple terms, if you were testing against 500k patterns at 25/Mkey a second, it'd take about 25 quadrillion years to get a few collisions. Factoring out the randomness of course, as the nature of randomness entails that it could take 2 seconds or 2 sextillion years.

Even if you put all the calculating power of the entire bitcoin network on it, it would still take 10^12+ years.

This site explains it quite nicely...

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Let’s say it’s 2045 and the world population is 9 billion. In an unrealistic scenario, every single person on the earth is using Bitcoin and each person has created and used 10 million addresses; yes let’s go overboard with this: that would mean a total of 90,000,000,000,000,000 addresses spent addresses.
So, the possibility of collision, in this scenario is:
90,000,000,000,000,000 / 2^160 = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000615%
You see, 2^160 is really a very large number. Very large. Much larger than our brains can comprehend.

http://www.miguelmoreno.net/bitcoin-address-collision/

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Comparatively speaking, your odds of being struck by lightning are about 1 in 280,000, so you’re about 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to find an address within the first year. Since that’s also a big number, the odds are equivalent to being struck by lightning about 4.6 times in your lifetime.
newbie
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it looks like a fake/madeup address.

https://blockchain.info/address/1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti
The address is a real valid bitcoin address.

Its a valid address but does anyone in the world have the private keys for that address?

I would of replied sooner, but there is a newbie restriction of posting every 10 mins or so.
Program: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Vanitygen

Well if I did find a address containing coins. Yes theoretically there should be another person out there that has the private keys to that address as well.
Me and that person. It is possible to find the private key of an address containing coins of another person address but its so improbable we are talking many universe lifetimes.
I am just wondering what the odds are that if someone here can calculate the odds of such an event occurring.

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it looks like a fake/madeup address.

https://blockchain.info/address/1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti
The address is a real valid bitcoin address.

Its a valid address but does anyone in the world have the private keys for that address?
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full member
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it looks like a fake/madeup address.
newbie
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Ok. I'd be interested to know the probability for this as well. And I'd also like to know why shouldn't such a simple thing have a probability of 0. Sounds absurd to me.
newbie
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Highly improbable, but somehow possible, with quantistic computers? Roll Eyes

Theoretically, but only with an address that has spent once. You could in theory get the private key from the public key using quantum computers.
However this address has never spent, so that wouldn't be possible.

What is the proof that you're not lying? Also, what is the proof that somebody didn't transfer you BTC? I am new to Bitcoin. Can you please elaborate how is your proof infallible?

Yes this isn't really possible. Let alone even if I were to sign it, I could of theoretically payed someone to sign the address for me, etc. To 100% proof it, is a bit of a problem
in computer science. You shouldn't believe me anyways, I can understand why you wouldn't. I wouldn't in your situation for sure.

All I wanted to know is the odds of such an event occurring. Can someone calculate this and post the answer?
hero member
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so you get free 0.2BTC  Undecided
newbie
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What is the proof that you're not lying? Also, what is the proof that somebody didn't transfer you BTC? I am new to Bitcoin. Can you please elaborate how is your proof infallible?
legendary
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Highly improbable, but somehow possible, with quantistic computers? Roll Eyes
newbie
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That address was only funded about an hour or two before your post so the logical assumption, at least for me, would be that you funded the address.

Yes I was quite surprised to have found an address with coins let alone it had been funded within such a short frame of finding it. However again I can understand your skepticism. I myself don't believe it either.

I am just wondering if someone could calculate the odds and post it here of the odds of such an event occurring.
sr. member
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That address was only funded about an hour or two before your post so the logical assumption, at least for me, would be that you funded the address.
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http://s16.postimg.org/wzs7ep6lh/address.png

I understand why no one would believe this since its so improbable. It shouldn't happen in many universe lifetimes. However I checked it on blockchain seems to be a recently deposited address of some coins.

I used a vanitygen program to generate an address. Did one as a test or so, and see how the process of adding privatekey to your client works exactly, before I go out and generate an address with a name, or thing in the first few chars. Much to my surprise it contained 0.248127 BTC. Which doesn't make any sense what so ever. Sure its possible but we are talking many universe lifetimes for such an occurrence to occur.
https://blockchain.info/address/1AxPR69MZ3FnadhGrG4wMq69Q7svvnqdti

I can understand why you'd think I am making this up. I would say the same thing in your position as well. The thing is anyone to generate a vanity generated address that has BTC in it is so unlikely that no one would even think once about it being true.

Anyways I thought I should let you know

Update: I am just wondering if someone could calculate the odds and post it here of the odds of such an event occurring.

Odds of such an event occurring: 0.00000000000000000000000000000000615%
Or 1 in 1 in 160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Which is also 1 in 1.6 Nonillion
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