Thoughts on signature campaigns - helping or hurting?

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

i am also satisfied with your opinion . because i also thinks that if new topic comes at the forum then new replies also will come and then the advertising the site through camapign became a more opportunities with more croud of people to use .
in this way every member also will give his problem through the new topic .
but unfortunately here it is not mendetory to post new topic .

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don't blame the game-blame the playa.
if your posts are crap,they are going to be crap regardless of you being paid for that or not
yes,campaigns do stimulate posters financially,sometimes it encourages sensless discussions just for the sake of increasing one's post count
but you can look at it from a different angle:if you are enrolled in the signature campaign you try to avoid shitspam and 0 info replies,because next campaign
that pesky campaign manager may decide to not include you(because your posts sucked).
people generate more content,newbs get their newb questions answered more,the forum itself stays attractive for advertisers
paid signature/ava campaigns have pros and cons but we cannot just remove the source of advertising and income for some pie in the sky "quality improvement"

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in sig

Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

Watch your words mate.Even you cant resist to be a part of signature campaign again.Signature campaigns are not that bad as they are made to look like.They provide opportunity for users to earn bitcoin and campaigners to grow their business

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As said above, the spam from signatures is quite contained in"Bitcoin Discussion" and a few other places. It's really useful to make Bitcoin more widespread as each week a small amount of Bitcoin is transferred every week so it's useful for free distribution of the coins.
There should be slightly more things to stop spammers but it's difficult to do.

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Well if you are posting nonsensical posts and you saturate every sub-forum with such, then you are definitely not helping the service and the forum by being a nuisance to every discussion you posted in. As long as you keep your comments in topic, you should be fine and all. Most of the time, signature campaigns do really drive traffic to a certain site that's why some signature campaigns lasted for over a year or so.

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Quote from: Mumbeeptind1963 on September 11, 2016, 08:32:02 AM

Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

For me, its okay that they just repeating responses but they didnt know that thry responses posted in other pages because many people didnt backread they just read the topic and then reply for their own opinion about the topic. So for me it is okay to repeat the answer because other topics need opinion of all member so even if the same post, it is okay because thats their opinion.

This is one of the reasons why people do repeating post from other users because we are lazy enough to backread especially to 30+ pages topic which is somewhatwe think that its hurting if we intend to ready 1 by 1 to find out if your thoughts have been answered by someone. Its time consuming . thats why we put again our opinion that are being said earlier by some members.

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I would say that its helping both to those who are starting campaigns because they are getting good promotion of their company or sites and good for users like me as well as it is providing us some earning oprtunities.Yes there are scammers,but its the responsibility of campaign managers not to accept them in their campaigns.
And sorry to say you are also currently wearing the signature and avatar so i think you are also taking part in the signature campaigns.

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Quote from: Fatanut on September 12, 2016, 05:48:24 AM

Signature campaign isn't the problem in this place. Signature campaigns actually helped us connect to legit websites and get a job to promote their website. The problem is signature spamming, people are posting 1 to 2 sentence without giving the post much thought just to get paid at the end of the week. Signature campaign is just a force that drives people to do signature spamming. I guess if the detected signature spammers get banned right away, this place will have a better discussion and people would get the fear of posting nonsense.

Actually, that is already discussed in another thread about the signature spamming and in my perception until this time they're not finding the best way for fix that, and I think this will better if discussing with the sign camp manager because they are just the people is having a permission for taking an act for the signature spammer. and what about SMAS? and how it works in this time? because just depending with sign manager for monitoring all of their participants, I guess that is will not really helpful the campaign for a stay away from the spammer. well, I don't want for continuing about this problem and just my perception if finally the manager camp just holding the answer about this.

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Quote from: reb0rn21 on September 12, 2016, 07:23:30 PM

I agree the signature campaigns are problem, first of all the number of needed posting is just too huge for most
Also even if the post is a long and constructive in a topic with 20+ pages its all that already been sad or known

But also some of the boards are just made for spam, If I am not in sig I would never visit them and speculate for sure, but you can make 15 post in mining or you are limited by few and you your real post are not credited but you spam is, which is sad

the arguments that I bold above,this is your confession that you're actually speculating in order to get money and not pure your opinion?
although most of signature campaign doesn't require you to fulfill the weekly maximum posts and that's why there's minimum posts requirement
just few signature campaign strict their user to fulfill the requirements of the post that I can say quite high but not too high

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I agree the signature campaigns are problem, first of all the number of needed posting is just too huge for most
Also even if the post is a long and constructive in a topic with 20+ pages its all that already been sad or known

But also some of the boards are just made for spam, If I am not in sig I would never visit them and speculate for sure, but you can make 15 post in mining or you are limited by few and you your real post are not credited but you spam is, which is sad

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There are advantages and disadvantages for sure,previous posters already mentioned them and i am not going to repeat what they said.
I think that the positives are more than the negatives but there is still a big room for improvement,for this to happen we need signature campaigns with more strict rules and zero spam/low quality post tolerance.

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It really gives the forum big traffic, and more and more people like bitcoin, why not good?

Fatanut

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Signature campaign isn't the problem in this place. Signature campaigns actually helped us connect to legit websites and get a job to promote their website. The problem is signature spamming, people are posting 1 to 2 sentence without giving the post much thought just to get paid at the end of the week. Signature campaign is just a force that drives people to do signature spamming. I guess if the detected signature spammers get banned right away, this place will have a better discussion and people would get the fear of posting nonsense.

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Quote from: severaldetails on September 11, 2016, 09:00:01 AM

I think that 50% (probably more) of all posts are from people who use a signature campaign.
I use one too and appreciate the little extra I get from it.
Of course, it is a lot of crap that is written just because somebody is in a campagin and wants to fill his post count.
But I can imagine that some of the quality posters may have started also just like this.
I think campaigns bind people to this forum and can help to make experts out of newbies.

Signature campaign help us to earn bitcoin easily. I think there is both bad and good side of signature campaign. Many user spam in forum for fill their post like yobit spammers.Again, many good poster help the community.

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I think that 50% (probably more) of all posts are from people who use a signature campaign.
I use one too and appreciate the little extra I get from it.
Of course, it is a lot of crap that is written just because somebody is in a campagin and wants to fill his post count.
But I can imagine that some of the quality posters may have started also just like this.
I think campaigns bind people to this forum and can help to make experts out of newbies.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 11, 2016, 07:40:29 AM

I think lots of signature campaign participants make really poor quality, shit posts but it's up to each individual signature campaign manager to be in charge of this.
If poor quality posters get kicked out of their sig campaign then they won't continue doing it.

I don't see a problem with people being in sig campaigns as long as they post on topic & add to the topic of conversation.

In some way though sig campaigns are positive for this forum because without them it'd be a lot quieter with much, much fewer posts & activity.

(And yes I'm aware that I am in a sig campaign but I try my best to make decent posts)

I agree chief ,that it needs to be clear that it is a must to the participants of any signature campaign to post on topic and to improve their post not just to post with a nonsense statements .
I think signature campaigns now are taking these part as they much aware and more strick with those who spamming.
This forum is all about sharing and knowledge , campaign signatures are just a bonus .so everyone that includes needs to be responsible as they take the slot .

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

For me, its okay that they just repeating responses but they didnt know that thry responses posted in other pages because many people didnt backread they just read the topic and then reply for their own opinion about the topic. So for me it is okay to repeat the answer because other topics need opinion of all member so even if the same post, it is okay because thats their opinion.

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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.

Bitcointalk gets its traffic from signature campaigns and signature campaigns pay because of bitcointalk traffic, which help offset the cost of developing new shitcoins to dump on humanity daily. It's like a pyramid scheme eating a ponzi eating a pyramid. Here is a superfluous pic to illustrate this healthy ecosystem:

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I think lots of signature campaign participants make really poor quality, shit posts but it's up to each individual signature campaign manager to be in charge of this.
If poor quality posters get kicked out of their sig campaign then they won't continue doing it.

I don't see a problem with people being in sig campaigns as long as they post on topic & add to the topic of conversation.

In some way though sig campaigns are positive for this forum because without them it'd be a lot quieter with much, much fewer posts & activity.

(And yes I'm aware that I am in a sig campaign but I try my best to make decent posts)

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Actually I see it as a win win situation for everyone, For investor, for us who do the campaign and ofcourse for this forum site to keep it alive and be informative to everyone who doesnt know bitcoin yet.

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My thoughts is it will help me a lots because it is a legitimate program. You cannot scam here just follow there rule and you can earn bitcoin. You can also weekly salary or monthly salary according to your campaign rules. So take this as an advantage of your in earning bitcoin. Hard earn is best than easy earn.

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Quote from: Wowcoin on August 25, 2016, 07:38:10 PM

Usually helps but sometimes also hurt . Because you time finishing sig campaign laws suddenly you could trust neg or be hacked or banned because migraine also expect that wages have done nothing shovel . Helping because demand at home also helps in our need.

Best post in the thread, hands down.

As blatantly awful as this post is, nothing will change. Sig campaigns are just too good for traffic. I just avoid the long 300-page threads because guys like these are just talking similar nonsense with their other alt accounts and other spammers.

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Usually helps but sometimes also hurt . Because you time finishing sig campaign laws suddenly you could trust neg or be hacked or banned because migraine also expect that wages have done nothing shovel . Helping because demand at home also helps in our need.

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I know about this like a dilemma at the same time that is usefulness and burden, because this forum is getting their funds to treat this forum.

Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to.

I believe it and is very very often I'm always seeing a people is surviving or recurring the old poster with spam post just like a bump posting.

Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here?

And all the topics is having a more than 10+ feedback average is just a useless post or just like a spam post like what do you do with you btc, if you had ... btc and blab blablabla....

Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

But in some campaign is not really educating their participant to make a more quality in their posting, and in some signature is applying more than 150 participants and too bad, very impossible for monitoring a lot of participants that makes the participant is can act as he pleases.

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Signature campaigns are a great thing, but the point is that (mainly people from third world countries) are posting low quality google translate crap.

Also, somehow I have the feeling that a lot of these newbie noobs have found this forum because they were searching for ways to earn money on internet.

That might explain their level of ignorance regarding Bitcoin and everything around the price.

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It would all depend on the poster.
If they posting crud then they should not be paid.

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

So this is going to be a biased response because I'm currently in a signature campaign, but I personally think that even though they end up having people respond in a similar manner to relatively homogeneous topics, however they probably do end up engaging people more with the forum when you compare it to what this would be like if there were no signature campaigns. Oftentimes signature campaigns give new users a means of entering the Bitcoin economy in a way that is a bit more efficient and effective than signature campaigns. While I do believe there have to be some fixes with how the replies are quite simple and monotone, they are more than likely a benefit overall.

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Quote from: illyiller on August 25, 2016, 04:54:07 PM

The problem, of course, is that people who are willing to work for extremely low wages are happy to spam the forum (and they wouldn't otherwise do it).

It's easy to forget that there are many posters in developing countries. With a couple of farmed accounts you could probably earn just as much here as in a crappy regular job. That's a huge incentive to keep piling up the spam.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 25, 2016, 04:39:02 PM

Signature spaming is serious problem. Due to spam, it's hard to something unique and interesting. Same questions, same answers, only in different words. Is it possible to add something new when topic have 30-40 pages. Mostly only reading OP and last few posts. I think moderators have to react stricter. When topic question is answered or answers started to be almost same, they should lock thread to avoid scam.

Yes, I agree. It is true that these days I have been involved in signature campaigns, but I have to admit that this massive tendency to post senseless things is only decreasing the quality of this forum. And some old threads asking about punctual issues related to three years ago valid questions are still being answered these days, so I also think certain threads should be closed to avoid this situation.

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Quote from: gentlemand on August 25, 2016, 04:25:47 PM

Maybe you should move this to meta, I dunno.

It's a fine balancing act which currently has tripped and landed on its face. It's probably brought in a lot of new users and drives quite a bit of commerce. At the same time it doesn't half inspire a lot of tripe as well.

Agreed, this belongs in Meta and will probably be moved there. I'm sort of ambivalent about the whole thing. Yes, I have a signature ad. I genuinely enjoy posting on the forum and am happy to receive payment for something I would do anyway.

The problem, of course, is that people who are willing to work for extremely low wages are happy to spam the forum (and they wouldn't otherwise do it). It makes the forum less readable. However, I'm sure it generates a ton of traffic, which helps the site's ad revenue. I don't see anything changing.

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Well, considering that you could argue that it drives useless conversations to be happening that has very repetitive idea floating around on a single thread over and over; you could also argue that it is the responsibility of the signature campaign to make sure stuff like that doesn't happen. Sig campaigns (and I really can't blame them) go through and just see if it is X amount of length without reading into what that person is saying and in what context. I feel that if every campaign was doing that, then what you see on the forums honestly would be so bad.

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Signature spaming is serious problem. Due to spam, it's hard to something unique and interesting. Same questions, same answers, only in different words. Is it possible to add something new when topic have 30-40 pages. Mostly only reading OP and last few posts. I think moderators have to react stricter. When topic question is answered or answers started to be almost same, they should lock thread to avoid scam.

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

Your thoughts?

This forum is unique thanks to that. Im not sure if this is good overall, but there are for sure good things in that feature and bad things.
Personally i don't attend any of that campaigns because i have regular job with good money. I put in my sig sites i like, like on every other forum out there

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

Sorry to say that although you are not wearing any signature but even your thread and post is also not unique.A lot of similar threads and posts already exists on forum

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Maybe you should move this to meta, I dunno.

It's a fine balancing act which currently has tripped and landed on its face. It's probably brought in a lot of new users and drives quite a bit of commerce. At the same time it doesn't half inspire a lot of tripe as well.

I think their future is going to depend on how utterly sick the forum operators become of it and whether the campaign managers are willing to be more proactive. If it stays as it is the party might be curtailed.

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Quote from: HabBear on August 25, 2016, 04:02:26 PM

What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

Well, I certainly hope there were more new topics being created since it does get monotonous, especially when looking at the same ol same ol threads. Though for a topic to get 30+ pages is not surprising since the community is growing so plenty new user would also want to give their own view.
Campaigns can probably give incentives for creating new topics(as some do for posts in gambling section) , but that would most likely create more spam(senseless/repeated/off-topic) (more work for the mods ,they seem extra active these days, a lot of threads getting deleted).

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What are your thoughts on signature campaigns these days? I know there's been plenty of debate over it's usefulness and burden on the forum.

I look through the first page of the Bitcoin Discussion board and see majority of the threads have multiple pages of posts, indicating that new topics are not being created but old topics are continuing to be responded to. My thought is that very few topics can have discussion that lasts 10+ pages of posts before members start repeating responses by others. Is that what we're seeing here? I feel like the signature campaigns should reward people for starting new posts, generating new discussion, not just parroting comments made by others on the same threads over and over.

Your thoughts?

Cheers!

(And in full disclosure, I've participated in signature campaigns int he past although I'm not involved with one now.)

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