[Solved] Thread for Ararbermas case and 3 other accounts.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 09, 2022, 04:38:21 AM

That's my point: cheat hunters use methods that I wouldn't be able to defend myself against. It wouldn't be the first time someone gets framed by someone else.

Talk abour of traps, it's totally possible for someone with bad intentions to hurt anyone, but in the case involving Ararbermas and 3 other accounts, he might unknowingly create an ERC20 wallet on a fake site outside the forum so they have the same address. It got them connected because they posted the same address, but since the wallet was confirmed as a fraud wallet, then I think we have found the endpoint to solve this case.

Regarding the advice to delete the wallet on your archive site, again I do not insist. You have the right to keep it as complete and accurate as possible.

So now, I have removed the negative tag on the above 4 accounts and the problem is solved. So I will close this thread and Ararbermas can use this thread as a reference for the future.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on August 09, 2022, 04:05:58 AM

if you and I use the same address to join the campaign, then that's the problem and this is how cheat hunters have hunted cheaters so far.

That's my point: cheat hunters use methods that I wouldn't be able to defend myself against. It wouldn't be the first time someone gets framed by someone else. I'm glad Mods don't ban for this:

Quote from: Xal0lex on August 08, 2022, 05:18:07 PM

Again, if someone publishes your address, it will be after you have published it. In any case, the publication of your address from someone else will be later than yours.

It's also a good reason not to delete messages in which you've posted addresses for the first time if you plan to post them again later. Or better: it's an additional argument against address reuse.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 08, 2022, 02:24:52 PM

Posting an address is not the same as using it. Anyone can post it, only the real owner can sign a message from it. You can't link accounts based on an address they post, anyone can post an address I've posted, but that doesn't mean they're my alts.

I know that, but you seem to be describing something different. If you and I post the same address in a post for a special purpose ^{[not we own]} then I don't think people will linked the two accounts as alt. But if you and I use the same address to join the campaign, then that's the problem and this is how cheat hunters have hunted cheaters so far.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 08, 2022, 02:24:52 PM

I won't do that. My posts archive simply archives what has been posted. The posts in question still exists anyway. In cases when there is doubt about who posted what, my archive should be complete and accurate. Interpretation of the data is up to whoever looks at it.

I'm not going to force you to delete it because it's just a suggestion. This means that Ararbermas may need to clarify the scam address in his own thread to avoid confusion in the future, or he may personally ask you to delete the scam address he posted when submitting a campaign with 3 other accounts.

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A better solution is to only use solid evidence when linking accounts.

It's mandatory.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 08, 2022, 02:24:52 PM

Posting an address is not the same as using it. Anyone can post it, only the real owner can sign a message from it. You can't link accounts based on an address they post, anyone can post an address I've posted, but that doesn't mean they're my alts.

A huge number of users have been banned based on this principle. And not once have I come across any complaints about it. In any case, I have not seen any serious complaints. The thing is that no one will check whether the address was published on purpose or the address really belongs to the alts. This is practically unrealistic. But if after the ban the user will write a rebuttal in Meta, then the moderators will consider this case. But then again, it is almost impossible to prove.

Again, if someone publishes your address, it will be after you have published it. In any case, the publication of your address from someone else will be later than yours.

And anyway, what's the point of publishing someone else's address? The user will be playing against himself. After all, his post will be published later anyway, which means he will be banned in the first place.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 08, 2022, 02:24:52 PM

Here's theymos' address: 1NXYoJ5xU91Jp83XfVMHwwTUyZFK64BoAD Cheesy

That doesn't make me theymos!

No one is talking about that kind of thing. Matching elements from the profile as proof of a connection between accounts is not considered, IMHO. Matched items should be placed exactly in forum posts.

P.S. Well, if someone dares to publish your address without your knowledge, the global moderators will surely ban you Grin

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 08, 2022, 02:24:52 PM

Posting an address is not the same as using it. Anyone can post it, only the real owner can sign a message from it. You can't link accounts based on an address they post, anyone can post an address I've posted, but that doesn't mean they're my alts.

Well, that's true, but you can't really expect us to have signed messages from the same address from a bunch of bounty abusers. After all, posting the same address and/or the same social media profiles in bounty campaigns has mostly been enough evidence for finding alt accounts and busting bounty abusers in the "Known Alts..." thread for years. There are always exceptions, of course, like this one. But I think that's rare.

Here's another point of view:

Quote from: Xal0lex on January 23, 2022, 03:36:04 PM

It's simple. If two or more accounts have the same information (cryptocurrency addresses, email, twitter, telegram, etc.), the banned account is checked first for matching information. If the banned account has the above information mentioned later than the non-banned accounts, then ban evasion is not considered. This is done to avoid mistakes.

As I understand it, the moderators consider that using a matching element (in this case an ETH address) is enough evidence to prove ban evading (depending on who posted first).

Quote from: LoyceV on August 08, 2022, 02:24:52 PM

A better solution is to only use solid evidence when linking accounts.

I agree. There is no doubt that it is better to have a solid evidence or more than one piece of evidence that complement each other. That's why I always like to use matching elements in posts as a basis for deeper analysis (registration date, forum activity, token transactions, etc.) before making a decision. I don't recall ever having a false positive, and in case that ever happens, I will always re-examine all the evidence. Your and Tryninja's tools are a huge help and I agree that the posts in the archives should remain as they are, as true to the original as possible.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on August 08, 2022, 11:03:54 AM

So, can you explain why the 4 accounts use the same address?

Posting an address is not the same as using it. Anyone can post it, only the real owner can sign a message from it. You can't link accounts based on an address they post, anyone can post an address I've posted, but that doesn't mean they're my alts.
Here's theymos' address: 1NXYoJ5xU91Jp83XfVMHwwTUyZFK64BoAD Cheesy

That doesn't make me theymos!

Quote from: _BlackStar on August 08, 2022, 12:36:18 PM

My advice to LoyceV and also Tryninja, the scam addresses used by the 4 accounts above should be removed from the archive.

I won't do that. My posts archive simply archives what has been posted. The posts in question still exists anyway. In cases when there is doubt about who posted what, my archive should be complete and accurate. Interpretation of the data is up to whoever looks at it.

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So some people who are now victims will be safer without having to explain the details of the problem again in the future.

A better solution is to only use solid evidence when linking accounts.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 08, 2022, 12:08:05 PM

@_BlackStar, it looks like Ararbermas might be telling the truth in this case, so unless you have other evidence, maybe you should reconsider the neg. tag.

I'm starting to realize about that mate, this might be a good reference for removing tags on the 4 accounts above. But since this is the first case I've come across regarding a scam address used by 4 accounts, then of course I want to get an explanation. I have tell Ararbermas via pm, this case will be fairly resolved by me. But he had to clarify that afterwards so there would be no more confusion in the future.

My advice to LoyceV and also Tryninja, the scam addresses used by the 4 accounts above should be removed from the archive. So some people who are now victims will be safer without having to explain the details of the problem again in the future.

Ararbermas, tags removed. This is an error that must be resolved immediately.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 08, 2022, 12:08:05 PM

Considering that you were one of the victims of this scam wallet, you should have reported it and warned other forum members. While your memory was still fresh.
I'm wondering why you've never done that?

well sorry, i thought our thread that time will visible for everyone since that was a very hot and common issue from beginninees.. So after my negative trust removed . I just spectate on the reputation to see if their reason is true as well or not or what is the new cases so that i am aware..

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First, don't violate forum rule no. 32. So you have to combine two consecutive posts into one.

Second, the logic is that if you have previously explained it in detail because you stumbled across the same case, then today you can also explain it without much trouble. I don't think someone who is smart enough to explain his past problems now becomes forgetful so easily. I'm sure you're still the same person, right?

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Quote from: _BlackStar on August 08, 2022, 11:48:12 AM

This must be confusing since you said the address changed after being caught, how did that happen? I'd really like to get details on this.

It is possible that the scammer (the owner of the coin-wallet.info domain) periodically changed addresses to avoid negative reviews on etherscan explorer.

Looking at the old comments from https://etherscan.io/address/0xaD3DF2892d663ba5167d891CcbC0668AA94338e2#comments it seems that this address was also linked to the coin-wallet.info scam, but was actually part of a hot wallet from the BTC-e exchange. @_BlackStar, it looks like Ararbermas might be telling the truth in this case, so unless you have other evidence, maybe you should reconsider the neg. tag.

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I'm wondering why on this year you all find these information with the same wallet.. It would be better if it happened on the same year because my memory still fresh on that scam site.

Considering that you were one of the victims of this scam wallet, you should have reported it and warned other forum members. While your memory was still fresh.
I'm wondering why you've never done that?

Btw, stop making multiple posts in a row, it's against forum rules.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on August 08, 2022, 11:48:12 AM

This must be confusing since you said the address changed after being caught, how did that happen? I'd really like to get details on this.

correct, because after that issue i visited that site again because i saw a lot of tagged in Reputation section. And i saw it and they're totally scam.. Unfortunately it was totally shutdown. because i want to create an account so that you will see what's new addy they have on this year 2022.. Lol
https://www.coin-wallet.info/

I'm wondering why on this year you all find these information with the same wallet.. It would be better if it happened on the same year because my memory still fresh on that scam site.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 08, 2022, 11:18:31 AM

I think this one is a evidence why it happened wherein 4 account used the same address, that time every one who created account on it get the same address but when they got caught they changed another address to get another victim if i remember it correctly..

It looks like now something will be revealed here if you really go into a bit of detail about what's really going on. I'm trying to put together a few reasons why you could be right/ not about that, but can someone confirm that it's a scam wallet you created from a phishing site?

This must be confusing since you said the address changed after being caught, how did that happen? I'd really like to get details on this.

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Quote from: Solosanz on August 08, 2022, 11:30:44 AM

Quote from: Ararbermas on August 08, 2022, 11:18:31 AM

Honestly it's hard to me to believe if the scam exchange changed their address for few times.

I can still believe the first address 0xf902aa3a62f9e28878129e1a8f1eb71e4fd7a88c is a scam address since Coiner_ have been tried it himself and proven if the exchanges using the used address. But your excuses saying the exchanges may update the new address when someone already expose the address, that's the part I don't really believe.

Even it's already 5 years old case, but it's still appropriate since someone can get banned due to his old post which mean forum rules isn't only for current year or when merit system was implemented.

yes that's right 5 years ago, but did you see that I've been using that address until now after the issued? I was very new that time so i decided to make research to find legitimate platform to generate new wallet and after that i did not use those wallet for my security and of course to prevent being tag again with the same issue.. But guess what after 5 years here i am again.

Quote from: FatFork on August 08, 2022, 11:43:18 AM

You are connected to three other accounts through the use of this address: 0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2. Do you remember where you got that address from?

its been how many years mate, so its impossible to remember..but since then i don't have an access on that wallet after i found a legit and secured wallet. I'm scared though because of that accusation so i ask and choose which is more reliable and safe. And this is what i am talking 0x814200B920e3D2134E43589251F3129328A221C6

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 08, 2022, 11:18:31 AM

I think this one is a evidence why it happened wherein 4 account used the same address, that time every one who created account on it get the same address but when they got caught they changed another address to get another victim if i remember it correctly..

It seems that both of your examples refer to the same address: 0xd0457d7d5c5d81e2323723b1fddc2e4ff4480dbf.
However, if everyone who used that scam wallet got the same address, as Coiner_ confirmed, how did you get a different one?

You are connected to three other accounts through the use of this address: 0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2. Do you remember where you got that address from?

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 08, 2022, 11:18:31 AM

Honestly it's hard to me to believe if the scam exchange changed their address for few times.

I can still believe the first address 0xf902aa3a62f9e28878129e1a8f1eb71e4fd7a88c is a scam address since Coiner_ have been tried it himself and proven if the exchanges using the used address. But your excuses saying the exchanges may update the new address when someone already expose the address, that's the part I don't really believe.

Even it's already 5 years old case, but it's still appropriate since someone can get banned due to his old post which mean forum rules isn't only for current year or when merit system was implemented.

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I think this one is a evidence why it happened wherein 4 account used the same address, that time every one who created account on it get the same address but when they got caught they changed another address to get another victim if i remember it correctly..

edit:
Coiner try it as well and he figured it our that it was a scam wallet.

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I invite Ararbermas to settle the case regarding my allegation against him in this thread because I don't want the settlement to be overshadowed by other user reports. So this is a dedicated thread for him, and I'm waiting for an explanation because Ararbermas wants his case resolved.

4 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue / Active profile (in ordinary link colour))

1. Ararbermas
2. Mhedz
3. MoneyIsDebt
4. YOYOY

Proof:

Quote from: Ararbermas on July 18, 2017, 01:44:48 PM

sorry beacause i forgot my account on eth address so i decide to create new one, sorry sir would you mind if i update again my eth add?
: 0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2

Thank you godlbless

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Quote from: Mhedz on October 03, 2017, 06:59:06 AM

attention please IRFAN_PAK10

PLEASE CHANGE MY ETH ADDRESS. I ALREADY SENT YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE!!
my eth address was hacked by someone here in bitcointalk. i joined facebook bounty and im on spreadsheet #294

This is my bitcointalk profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mhedz-1077631
This is my old eth address: 0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2
And this is my new eth address:0x29Ae805b9A67fF442433e96bC8B5f629F40e85f5

Thank you sir..

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Quote from: MoneyIsDebt on July 28, 2017, 01:21:54 AM

hey yahoo i am reapplying after wearing the signature. hope to be accepted this time.
Username: MoneyIsDebt
Rank: Sr. Member
Post count: 405
Bitcoin address: 1N2fSZGaBsEdkkp7qZ2nMjHZMCHZnRYSG6
ETH address: 0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2
Wear appropriate signature - yes

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Quote from: YOYOY on July 18, 2017, 07:20:10 PM

Bitcointalk Name: YOYOY
Forum Rank: Member
Current Post Count: 168
Bitcoin Address: 3H6zDKyrNx5hMvcRRy4nt8mLCYp11QJKG2
Etherium Address: 0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2

I want to apply for this campaign. Thank you.

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Reporting:

The 4 accounts connected above use the same eth address. They are also doing ban evasion and also cheat some campaign. MoneyIsDebt and YOYOY have been banned, while Ararbermas is still active and Mhedz has been inactive since 2018. Currently, I am tag these 4 accounts based on the available evidence. They ban evasion and cheat campaign.

YOYOY and Ararbermas joined the same campaign based on evidence [1] and [2].

Manager: goinmerry
Campaign: Care4Me Avatar & Signature Campaign [Earn BTC & CareCoin] [CLOSED]

Related Addresses:

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0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2

Miscellaneous:
Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.

Quote from: Ararbermas on August 08, 2022, 10:25:10 AM

sorry but my issue about that eth address is already solved OP and as you can see it was 2017.. And yes they tagged me as well that time, but they removed it after they figured it out why i fell on that scam wallet because i have a lot of proofs that time..
But really we are now in 2022 and you bring me up again? Sorry i was new in space that time that's why it happened. Grin

But try to check my history OP before tagging please.

Edit: here's the link to prove you that i was in the red tagged way back 2017 because of that wallet but it's already solved. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22107721

I have considered it and I have also studied it before I made this report. If previously you were involved in problems with these 5 accounts [masterwakokok7, addy4u, Ararbermas, geniabelty and markowpowlow] but now your problem is different.

Now 4 accounts [Ararbermas, Mhedz, MoneyIsDebt, YOYOY] using the same address [0xad3df2892d663ba5167d891ccbc0668aa94338e2], not this [0xf902aa3a62f9e28878129e1a8f1eb71e4fd7a88c].

So, can you explain why the 4 accounts use the same address?

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