Thurman Vs Stanionis WBA world welterweight December 9

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Quote from: Jating on November 24, 2023, 04:46:16 AM

I did check my favorite crypto sports bookies, and it seems that this fight is not yet listed and we are barely like 3 weeks from the fight and we haven't heard anything yet? Perhaps there's no more hype on the name of Thurman already.

And obviously it has something to do when he loses his fight against the legendary Manny Pacman Pacquiao and then he trash-talks him and in the fight, he can't back all his talking. He made a comeback to beat Barrios, but If I'm not mistaken, Barrios is now a world champion. And this could be another reason why this fight shouldn't be in the PPV as it might not sell.

The fight lacks the hype, Thurman is not a thrash talker and neither is Stanionis, but this is a fairly even fight with Thurman with a very slight advantage, both fighters possess good records even if they do not create big hype in the media, and this is still going to be a great fight in the making, Thurman has proven himself but Stanionis even though a dark horse can pull out a huge upset.
Stanionis is far better than Barrios so Thurman should not take Stanionis lightly or he will be in big trouble.

I think Thurman is a trash talker, remember that he used to be a boxing analyst as well, so he knows how and when to open his mouth. The problem is that Stanionis will not bite on that kind of promotions. And yes, there's no hype even though there is already a schedule fight between the two and the date is near but there is no social media coverage whatsoever.

And for me Thurman is done with boxing, I don't think that he still has the same fire in his belly, if he still has then he should have been fighting and not going on another long hiatus. Money fights for him is supposedly, Spence and Crawford, but it didn't materialized. He could be set for life though when he fought Manny and got a huge pay check in return even though he lost that fight.

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Quote from: Jating on November 24, 2023, 04:46:16 AM

I did check my favorite crypto sports bookies, and it seems that this fight is not yet listed and we are barely like 3 weeks from the fight and we haven't heard anything yet? Perhaps there's no more hype on the name of Thurman already.

And obviously it has something to do when he loses his fight against the legendary Manny Pacman Pacquiao and then he trash-talks him and in the fight, he can't back all his talking. He made a comeback to beat Barrios, but If I'm not mistaken, Barrios is now a world champion. And this could be another reason why this fight shouldn't be in the PPV as it might not sell.

The fight lacks the hype, Thurman is not a thrash talker and neither is Stanionis, but this is a fairly even fight with Thurman with a very slight advantage, both fighters possess good records even if they do not create big hype in the media, and this is still going to be a great fight in the making, Thurman has proven himself but Stanionis even though a dark horse can pull out a huge upset.
Stanionis is far better than Barrios so Thurman should not take Stanionis lightly or he will be in big trouble.

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Quote from: Jating on November 24, 2023, 04:46:16 AM

I did check my favorite crypto sports bookies, and it seems that this fight is not yet listed and we are barely like 3 weeks from the fight and we haven't heard anything yet? Perhaps there's no more hype on the name of Thurman already.

It's likely that this fight is not yet confirmed to happen on the planned date. Furthermore, I don't think it's Thurman who has lost the hype; it's probably due to his opponent, who isn't as popular. I have a feeling that this fight might be postponed or, worse, canceled.

Quote from: Jating on November 24, 2023, 04:46:16 AM

And obviously it has something to do when he lost his fight against the legendary Manny Pacman Pacquiao and then he trash talk him and in the fight he can't back all his talking. He made a comeback beat Barrios, but If I'm not mistaken, Barrios is now a world champion. And this could be another reason why this fight shouldn't be in the PPV as it might not sell.

Thurman has to be patient. Although he lost to Pacman, it's not something that should halt his career. His only loss was to Pacman, a living legend. I would have thought his career was over if he continued losing, but he came back and started winning, so there's still hope for him. Let's wait for a bit and see if the odds are out early in December or if there's an announcement regarding the cancellation or postponement of this fight.

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I did check my favorite crypto sports bookies, and it seems that this fight is not yet listed and we are barely like 3 weeks from the fight and we haven't heard anything yet? Perhaps there's no more hype on the name of Thurman already.

And obviously it has something to do when he lost his fight against the legendary Manny Pacman Pacquiao and then he trash talk him and in the fight he can't back all his talking. He made a comeback beat Barrios, but If I'm not mistaken, Barrios is now a world champion. And this could be another reason why this fight shouldn't be in the PPV as it might not sell.

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^^ Wow, so Danny Garcia also moved up in weight already and now going to fight Lara? Going to be very close as Danny has a great left hook and very sound fundamentally. But I'm surprised how Lara is still in this game, lol, no offense to him but I thought that he has retired already. But during his prime, he fought Canelo Alvarez and there are analyst who says that Lara schooled Canelo that time.

So with that, I think I will go with Garcia, he is still fresh, but Lara might give him a hard fight early as he is a southpaw and has great foot work. But in the middle rounds, I'm seeing Lara getting tired from all the movements and Garcia going to catch up with him in spurts and maybe hit him with his signature left hook knocking down Lara.

This is a very interesting fight to watch I'd like to see if Garcia can bring his power to the middleweight, he has a better chance here than in the welterweight category, Crawford is unbeatable in that division so no way he can have a chance in that division, whereas in the middleweight he has a chance and here is his chance against Lara.

He has outgrown the welterweight and super welterweight division and so he has to move up in weight class wherein his body is comfortable. And I'm only going to speculate that he could bring his power to 160 lbs. It's just a question on how he is going to carry himself in this bigger weight divisions as he is not a naturally bigger guy.

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Lara is the current champion in the WBA but I consider him a weak champion compared to other champions in that division, ALIMKHANULY and CHARLO if Garcia carries his power and speed against Lara he has a better champion, but it's hard to take Lara for granted he is the current champion and has fought great fighters the most prominent Canelo.

Yes, and we haven't heard from Lara and I myself thought that he has retired already. But most likely he become a champion now because of circumstances. Charlo went on hiatus and so this division was open and Lara is on the right place and at the right time. And Danny Garcia and his team also knows this, that's why they challenge Lara for the belt to help Danny become a world champion again.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 24, 2023, 04:20:36 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on October 23, 2023, 10:34:49 PM

^^ Wow, so Danny Garcia also moved up in weight already and now going to fight Lara? Going to be very close as Danny has a great left hook and very sound fundamentally. But I'm surprised how Lara is still in this game, lol, no offense to him but I thought that he has retired already. But during his prime, he fought Canelo Alvarez and there are analyst who says that Lara schooled Canelo that time.

So with that, I think I will go with Garcia, he is still fresh, but Lara might give him a hard fight early as he is a southpaw and has great foot work. But in the middle rounds, I'm seeing Lara getting tired from all the movements and Garcia going to catch up with him in spurts and maybe hit him with his signature left hook knocking down Lara.

This is a very interesting fight to watch I'd like to see if Garcia can bring his power to the middleweight, he has a better chance here than in the welterweight category, Crawford is unbeatable in that division so no way he can have a chance in that division, whereas in the middleweight he has a chance and here is his chance against Lara.

Yes, that's why I'm surprised because we haven't heard from him for a while and that's why because he has decided to go up in weight. If I'm not mistaken, he was a champion at 147 and 154 lbs as well. So maybe it's time for him to move up in weight as his body can't make that 154 lbs anymore.

But it's a big risk for him to fight Lara.

Quote from: coin-investor on October 24, 2023, 04:20:36 AM

Lara is the current champion in the WBA but I consider him a weak champion compared to other champions in that division, ALIMKHANULY and CHARLO if Garcia carries his power and speed against Lara he has a better champion, but it's hard to take Lara for granted he is the current champion and has fought great fighters the most prominent Canelo.

It's also one of the weakest organization if I'm not mistaken. And that's why he become a champion in this body. Nevertheless, it's a double header for us and it's good to see Danny Garcia back again and looking for that left hook of his to land on Lara.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 23, 2023, 10:34:49 PM

^^ Wow, so Danny Garcia also moved up in weight already and now going to fight Lara? Going to be very close as Danny has a great left hook and very sound fundamentally. But I'm surprised how Lara is still in this game, lol, no offense to him but I thought that he has retired already. But during his prime, he fought Canelo Alvarez and there are analyst who says that Lara schooled Canelo that time.

So with that, I think I will go with Garcia, he is still fresh, but Lara might give him a hard fight early as he is a southpaw and has great foot work. But in the middle rounds, I'm seeing Lara getting tired from all the movements and Garcia going to catch up with him in spurts and maybe hit him with his signature left hook knocking down Lara.

This is a very interesting fight to watch I'd like to see if Garcia can bring his power to the middleweight, he has a better chance here than in the welterweight category, Crawford is unbeatable in that division so no way he can have a chance in that division, whereas in the middleweight he has a chance and here is his chance against Lara.

Lara is the current champion in the WBA but I consider him a weak champion compared to other champions in that division, ALIMKHANULY and CHARLO if Garcia carries his power and speed against Lara he has a better champion, but it's hard to take Lara for granted he is the current champion and has fought great fighters the most prominent Canelo.

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Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Both of them didn't compete for a while. They're both inactive for almost the same period. Thurman's 1 year and 8 month's inactivity isn't much different from Stanionis' 1 year and 6 months.

Before the Barrios fight, Thurman was also inactive for over two years. He wasn't just inactive, he was practically retired. I still have questions about whether he is still committed to the sport or just looking for a payday.

I believe it was his injury that really troubled him, but I won't dwell too much on his period of inactivity. He bounced back with a big win. He's still on the winning side after the defeat against Pacman, and he's making a strong comeback in a major fight of his career. So, he's here to stay. Let's not overanalyze it, Thurman is still a very legitimate fighter.

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The main event is going to be action-packed and so are the supporting events two former champions battling it out in the middleweight division

Danny Garcia 37-3-0 against Erislandy Lara 29-3-3

This is a hard fight to predict. Lara has only fought tomato cans in recent years and is only considered a world champion because Golovkin vacated his title and as a secondary champion he got elevated. Danny Garcia has never fought at middleweight and he struggled against a diminished Jose Benavidez Jr. in his last fight. I'm starting to lean towards it being a draw.

Why go for a draw if you don't believe in Garcia's chances to win? It's better to pick a side, at least then you'll either end up winning or losing your bet.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 24, 2023, 01:53:36 AM

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Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Both of them didn't compete for a while. They're both inactive for almost the same period. Thurman's 1 year and 8 month's inactivity isn't much different from Stanionis' 1 year and 6 months.

Before the Barrios fight, Thurman was also inactive for over two years. He wasn't just inactive, he was practically retired. I still have questions about whether he is still committed to the sport or just looking for a payday.

Quote from: robelneo on October 23, 2023, 10:19:37 AM

The main event is going to be action-packed and so are the supporting events two former champions battling it out in the middleweight division

Danny Garcia 37-3-0 against Erislandy Lara 29-3-3

This is a hard fight to predict. Lara has only fought tomato cans in recent years and is only considered a world champion because Golovkin vacated his title and as a secondary champion he got elevated. Danny Garcia has never fought at middleweight and he struggled against a diminished Jose Benavidez Jr. in his last fight. I'm starting to lean towards it being a draw.

Yeah, it seems that Keith Thurman is already contented at the sideline as it seems that he has no motivation to make a comeback after Pacquiao put a beating on him. And then a comeback against Barrios, not that impressive performance. And I do too has a feeling that maybe he is just looking for the paycheck now. 147 lbs is very different when he was the champion prior to his injuries.

Danny Garcia vs Erislandy Lara, a good threat for boxing fans. Not sure if Lara can still fight or if Danny Garcia is also past his prime. Although the latter has the left hand, but Lara could used by lateral and avoid the power punch of Garcia. We never see how Garcia though as a MW, maybe the power is no longer there for him. So I draw is very possible in this fight.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 22, 2023, 09:37:57 PM

Quote from: edmundduke on October 22, 2023, 02:42:07 AM

Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Both of them didn't compete for a while. They're both inactive for almost the same period. Thurman's 1 year and 8 month's inactivity isn't much different from Stanionis' 1 year and 6 months.

Before the Barrios fight, Thurman was also inactive for over two years. He wasn't just inactive, he was practically retired. I still have questions about whether he is still committed to the sport or just looking for a payday.

Quote from: robelneo on October 23, 2023, 10:19:37 AM

The main event is going to be action-packed and so are the supporting events two former champions battling it out in the middleweight division

Danny Garcia 37-3-0 against Erislandy Lara 29-3-3

This is a hard fight to predict. Lara has only fought tomato cans in recent years and is only considered a world champion because Golovkin vacated his title and as a secondary champion he got elevated. Danny Garcia has never fought at middleweight and he struggled against a diminished Jose Benavidez Jr. in his last fight. I'm starting to lean towards it being a draw.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 23, 2023, 10:34:49 PM

^^ Wow, so Danny Garcia also moved up in weight already and now going to fight Lara? Going to be very close as Danny has a great left hook and very sound fundamentally. But I'm surprised how Lara is still in this game, lol, no offense to him but I thought that he has retired already. But during his prime, he fought Canelo Alvarez and there are analyst who says that Lara schooled Canelo that time.

So with that, I think I will go with Garcia, he is still fresh, but Lara might give him a hard fight early as he is a southpaw and has great foot work. But in the middle rounds, I'm seeing Lara getting tired from all the movements and Garcia going to catch up with him in spurts and maybe hit him with his signature left hook knocking down Lara.

It's like a double treat for the fans. Danny Garcia vs. Lara could easily headline a card on its own, but let's pass the spotlight to Thurman and his pal. We'll find out if this young champion has what it takes to shine in the division for long period. If Thurman faces a loss, it might just hush him up for good. So, he better put in the work, not underestimate his young opponent, and maybe keep the trash talk to a minimum to avoid any bad luck.

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^^ Wow, so Danny Garcia also moved up in weight already and now going to fight Lara? Going to be very close as Danny has a great left hook and very sound fundamentally. But I'm surprised how Lara is still in this game, lol, no offense to him but I thought that he has retired already. But during his prime, he fought Canelo Alvarez and there are analyst who says that Lara schooled Canelo that time.

So with that, I think I will go with Garcia, he is still fresh, but Lara might give him a hard fight early as he is a southpaw and has great foot work. But in the middle rounds, I'm seeing Lara getting tired from all the movements and Garcia going to catch up with him in spurts and maybe hit him with his signature left hook knocking down Lara.

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The main event is going to be action-packed and so are the supporting events two former champions battling it out in the middleweight division

Danny Garcia 37-3-0 against Erislandy Lara 29-3-3

and 2 top contenders in the lightweight division battling for a possible title shot

Chris Colbert 17-1-0 against Jose Valenzuela 12-2-0

So to prepare you for the excitement that will come with the main event be sure to watch the supporting events too

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- Thurman, in my opinion, has more expertise than his rival. And because of the struggles he had, he will have an advantage over his rival. I can observe that despite being younger and appearing aggressive in the battle, he also moves quickly or is agile.

As far as experience goes? Yes, we can say that Thurman has the advantage, he even is on the top of the division until he got injured and then Spence ascend to the throne when he was absent. He did try to make a comeback, I remember him fighting a very tough comeback fight against a durable Josesito Lopez. He won that fight but it was not the same Thurman though. And then he lost against the great Manny Pacman Pacquiao. And after that he makes another comeback fight against Barrios who recently beat Ugas.

Thurman's injury didn't impact Spence's championship run because they're not in different organizations; they're in the same division. Thurman genuinely lost his belt to Pacman, and that was a legit defeat. Spence then took down Ugas, who had beaten Pacman, to unify the title.

Long story short, Thurman hasn't faced off against Spence and Crawford yet. That's why it's still intriguing to see if they'll cross paths. For that to happen, Thurman needs to make sure he wins this bout to keep climbing the rankings.....

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They might compete in combat prowess and endurance. And based on their current standing, they are practically a match for one another; each player's plan is how they will prevail in this contest. I predict Thurman will triumph there, but don't discount his rival.

I think Stanionis is a good boxer as well, so don't sleep on him. He might be unknown for some of us. But I think he will do good here against Thurman as I think Keith could be on the way out of his boxing career. He might be doing good as as boxing analyst/broadcaster and maybe he is just scratching his itch just to fight again.

I think we should study deeper on who really is Stannionis.

According to https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/who-is-eimantas-stanionis-background-record-championships-biggest-wins-of-vergil-ortiz-jrs-next-opponent/c3bwr6ijhrk911hstrvg8uwb8... he is currently a champion, while Thurman is only ranked number 3 in WBA Weltherweight divison.

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Eimantas Stanionis fought for the WBA regular welterweight strap against Radzhab Butaev in April 2022.

He defeated the incumbent with a split decision after the fight went the distance.

Biggest wins
His biggest win is probably said bout against Butaev last year, as it brought his first and only world title.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on October 23, 2023, 02:07:57 AM

- Thurman, in my opinion, has more expertise than his rival. And because of the struggles he had, he will have an advantage over his rival. I can observe that despite being younger and appearing aggressive in the battle, he also moves quickly or is agile.

As far as experience goes? Yes, we can say that Thurman has the advantage, he even is on the top of the division until he got injured and then Spence ascend to the throne when he was absent. He did try to make a comeback, I remember him fighting a very tough comeback fight against a durable Josesito Lopez. He won that fight but it was not the same Thurman though. And then he lost against the great Manny Pacman Pacquiao. And after that he makes another comeback fight against Barrios who recently beat Ugas.

Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on October 23, 2023, 02:07:57 AM

They might compete in combat prowess and endurance. And based on their current standing, they are practically a match for one another; each player's plan is how they will prevail in this contest. I predict Thurman will triumph there, but don't discount his rival.

I think Stanionis is a good boxer as well, so don't sleep on him. He might be unknown for some of us. But I think he will do good here against Thurman as I think Keith could be on the way out of his boxing career. He might be doing good as as boxing analyst/broadcaster and maybe he is just scratching his itch just to fight again.

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- Thurman, in my opinion, has more expertise than his rival. And because of the struggles he had, he will have an advantage over his rival. I can observe that despite being younger and appearing aggressive in the battle, he also moves quickly or is agile.

They might compete in combat prowess and endurance. And based on their current standing, they are practically a match for one another; each player's plan is how they will prevail in this contest. I predict Thurman will triumph there, but don't discount his rival.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 22, 2023, 09:37:57 PM

Both of them didn't compete for a while. They're both inactive for almost the same period. Thurman's 1 year and 8 month's inactivity isn't much different from Stanionis' 1 year and 6 months.

Very true, that isnt too different.

Quote from: mirakal on October 22, 2023, 10:04:04 PM

Good luck with that, I think you are putting your money at a high risk bet, but we never know for sure what the outcome would be, as you know, upset is not impossible, Honestly, I have a feeling this is Thurman's time to shine. He loss the opportunity or a significant fight, one that was rumored to be a prelude to facing either Spence or Crawford. I'm sure his goal is to make a comeback and get another shot at the championship. Winning this fight is the first step, and his performance needs to be electrifying to drum up excitement among the fans, which is what the promoters are looking for. So, I think there's a good chance Thurman might secure a victory by knockout in this fight.

Yeah i know Thurman is the clear favourite going into the fight, not even a question. And i am sure he is highly motivated to get back in the ring and get his chance a the championship. Still something tells me Stanionis still has a good chance Cheesy

this might be a terrible prediction btw, i will still roll with it.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 21, 2023, 10:09:10 PM

This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Stanionis though is a belt holder at 147 lbs, WBC which him and obviously the unified champ Crawford hold as well. But we all know how f**k up boxing governing bodies as they have a lot of belts, interim, regular champion, etc etc.

So I don't think it's fair to say that he is not a rising star. In fact, he had a schedule fight with Spence back then, but it was not push thru because again, there's corruption and that's why we haven't seen mandatories being enforced by this body.

So yeah, it could be 50:50 as Thurman has a long lay-off, doesn't look good against Barrios although he won the fight. But Stanionis though is also coming from injuries that has been sideline him for a while.

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I'm not sure if the odds would be that low. I'm expecting the odds to be between 1.40 to 1.50. That's fair to me. We will wait for the experts to release their odds.

Thurman odds against Barrios is 1.53 (https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/keith-thurman-vs-mario-barrios-fight-prediction-odds-undercard-start-time-preview-how-to-watch/)

Man, that was up against a fighter I think is better than Stanionis. So, it's kinda hard to expect Thurman's odds at 1.50 or even 1.40 against some unknown boxer. Maybe 1.30 makes more sense, but honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if they go even lower than that.

You're right. 1.30 could still be fair especially if we take into account the fact that if Barrios, a younger fighter and who can put up a good fight against Thurman, could only have 1.53, then Stanionis might have much lower odds. But I hope it won't be around 1.20, or else it is a testament that this match is not really a good match. Especially if the odds would go down even lower than 1.20, why should it even be fought? It doesn't appear to be a fair or exciting match anymore. They better be looking for a boxer who more or less belongs to Thurman's caliber.

Well, you know, aside from being young, Stanionis hasn't really shown much in the ring yet. This is like, probably the biggest fight of his life. If he manages to beat Thurman, it's gonna be a huge boost for his boxing career. I mean, up until now, only Pacman has managed to beat Thurman, and we all know the legend that Pacman is. So, if Stanionis puts in the work and upsets Thurman, it's gonna be a game-changer for him. Heck, it might even push Thurman into retirement.

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Quote from: Kasabus on October 22, 2023, 10:30:24 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 22, 2023, 09:37:57 PM

I'm not sure if the odds would be that low. I'm expecting the odds to be between 1.40 to 1.50. That's fair to me. We will wait for the experts to release their odds.

Thurman odds against Barrios is 1.53 (https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/keith-thurman-vs-mario-barrios-fight-prediction-odds-undercard-start-time-preview-how-to-watch/)

Man, that was up against a fighter I think is better than Stanionis. So, it's kinda hard to expect Thurman's odds at 1.50 or even 1.40 against some unknown boxer. Maybe 1.30 makes more sense, but honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if they go even lower than that.

You're right. 1.30 could still be fair especially if we take into account the fact that if Barrios, a younger fighter and who can put up a good fight against Thurman, could only have 1.53, then Stanionis might have much lower odds. But I hope it won't be around 1.20, or else it is a testament that this match is not really a good match. Especially if the odds would go down even lower than 1.20, why should it even be fought? It doesn't appear to be a fair or exciting match anymore. They better be looking for a boxer who more or less belongs to Thurman's caliber.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 22, 2023, 09:37:57 PM

I'm not sure if the odds would be that low. I'm expecting the odds to be between 1.40 to 1.50. That's fair to me. We will wait for the experts to release their odds.

Thurman odds against Barrios is 1.53 (https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/keith-thurman-vs-mario-barrios-fight-prediction-odds-undercard-start-time-preview-how-to-watch/)

Man, that was up against a fighter I think is better than Stanionis. So, it's kinda hard to expect Thurman's odds at 1.50 or even 1.40 against some unknown boxer. Maybe 1.30 makes more sense, but honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if they go even lower than that.

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Quote from: edmundduke on October 22, 2023, 02:42:07 AM

Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Good luck with that, I think you are putting your money at a high risk bet, but we never know for sure what the outcome would be, as you know, upset is not impossible, Honestly, I have a feeling this is Thurman's time to shine. He loss the opportunity or a significant fight, one that was rumored to be a prelude to facing either Spence or Crawford. I'm sure his goal is to make a comeback and get another shot at the championship. Winning this fight is the first step, and his performance needs to be electrifying to drum up excitement among the fans, which is what the promoters are looking for. So, I think there's a good chance Thurman might secure a victory by knockout in this fight.

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I tried searching for the betting odds for this fight, but it looks like they're not available yet. We could've used that to see how the bookies are sizing up this match. If the odds gave Thurman a win probability of, say, 1.20 (implying an 83.3% chance), we might think they're overrating him, and it should be more like 80:20 in his favor. But until the odds come out, our own assessment is what we've got. Of course, it's tough to question the bookmakers; they're the experts at this game, and their odds usually represent what most bettors are thinking about a particular fight.

I'm not sure if the odds would be that low. I'm expecting the odds to be between 1.40 to 1.50. That's fair to me. We will wait for the experts to release their odds.

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Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

Both of them didn't compete for a while. They're both inactive for almost the same period. Thurman's 1 year and 8 month's inactivity isn't much different from Stanionis' 1 year and 6 months.

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Even tho Thurman did not compete for a while i think he is still the favourite going into it. His record is pretty good and his last performance (tho long time ago beginning of 2022) was good. I would not could Stanionis out tho, and i think he might actually be my pick for this fight. He is young and active with a good record aswell.

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This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Why's it a 50:50 for you? From the way you're breaking down these fighters, it doesn't seem that even. Maybe a more reasonable call would be 60:40 or even 70:30 in favor of Thurman. I agree with your point that Thurman seems to be on a higher level. It looks like a tune-up fight for him, no offense to Stanionis fans, but this boxer is pretty much unknown. You don't hear his name in conversations about rising stars in boxing. So, I'm kinda puzzled about why Team Thurman chose this kind of opponent.

You're probably right, 60:40 or 70:30 is perhaps the right ratio in this fight's potential result. I'm just taking too much from Thurman simply because of his age and inactivity. But I expect that the odds of this fight will, even heavily, favor Thurman.

If this older and inactive fighter was able to outclass a much younger and more active Barrios in their fight last year, I don't see how he would fail to manhandle an inactive and older Stanionis.

I tried searching for the betting odds for this fight, but it looks like they're not available yet. We could've used that to see how the bookies are sizing up this match. If the odds gave Thurman a win probability of, say, 1.20 (implying an 83.3% chance), we might think they're overrating him, and it should be more like 80:20 in his favor. But until the odds come out, our own assessment is what we've got. Of course, it's tough to question the bookmakers; they're the experts at this game, and their odds usually represent what most bettors are thinking about a particular fight.

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But this is still a potential fight. I hope this will happen.

There's a possibility that this fight will be postponed or worse cancelled since it isn't a big one.

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This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Why's it a 50:50 for you? From the way you're breaking down these fighters, it doesn't seem that even. Maybe a more reasonable call would be 60:40 or even 70:30 in favor of Thurman. I agree with your point that Thurman seems to be on a higher level. It looks like a tune-up fight for him, no offense to Stanionis fans, but this boxer is pretty much unknown. You don't hear his name in conversations about rising stars in boxing. So, I'm kinda puzzled about why Team Thurman chose this kind of opponent.

You're probably right, 60:40 or 70:30 is perhaps the right ratio in this fight's potential result. I'm just taking too much from Thurman simply because of his age and inactivity. But I expect that the odds of this fight will, even heavily, favor Thurman.

If this older and inactive fighter was able to outclass a much younger and more active Barrios in their fight last year, I don't see how he would fail to manhandle an inactive and older Stanionis.

But this is still a potential fight. I hope this will happen.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 21, 2023, 10:09:10 PM

This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

Why's it a 50:50 for you? From the way you're breaking down these fighters, it doesn't seem that even. Maybe a more reasonable call would be 60:40 or even 70:30 in favor of Thurman. I agree with your point that Thurman seems to be on a higher level. It looks like a tune-up fight for him, no offense to Stanionis fans, but this boxer is pretty much unknown. You don't hear his name in conversations about rising stars in boxing. So, I'm kinda puzzled about why Team Thurman chose this kind of opponent.

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This is a 50:50 fight for me, but I think Thurman will prevail. Stanionis isn't a fighter of Keith's level. Even though Thurman is inactive, Stanionis is also inactive. Even though Thurman is much older than Stanionis, I don't see how the younger fighter's age advantage can defeat Thurman's vast experience.

Stanionis isn't special. He's not a rising star. Thurman on the other hand was once a star. He had the power and the skills. Although he's not anymore in his best of shape, neither is the young Stanionis.

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We haven't seen Thurman in the ring for a while, although he did win a fight after his loss against Pacman. But the Pacman fight is the one that really stands out in our memories, as it was a major event, especially for me since we consider Pacman as our hero. Thurman is known for his outspoken nature, and rightfully so, because he was a champion and still fights like one. If not for his injury, he could have been more active in boxing, but that's in the past, something we can't change. What matters now is that he's gearing up for another fight. I'm not sure if it's a big fight, but with Thurman in the ring, it's bound to be an intense battle, really worth watching. My concern is for his opponent, as I don't think they'll fare well in a toe-to-toe fight against Thurman.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 21, 2023, 12:45:42 AM

Thurman doesn't fight often and outside of his win against Barrios, a b-level fighter, doesn't have a meaningful win in many years. The ring rust will be a factor although Stanionis hasn't fought in 18 months himself. Stanionis isn't all that great but I expect him to win simply because he is younger and still in his prime.

Thurman cannot afford to lose to this up-and-coming fighter he is on a comeback trail his fight against Barrios cannot be considered as something that has built his reputation, since this is a championship fight he will regain a crown and from here he can challenge big names in the welterweight because he already has a title, but this Stanionis is not a patsy, he has a good record and a hard puncher, so Thurman should use his vast experience to overcome Stanionis power.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 21, 2023, 07:41:13 AM

Indeed, Thurman's recent fights haven't been against popular boxers. It seems like a big step down, especially considering that one would expect him to face opponents at the top of the rankings. I was personally hoping to see him fight someone like Spence, but with the rematch activated, or perhaps Ennis.

It's good that Thurman did not take Claressa Shield's challenge if he had he would have become a laughing stock, Thurman cannot be considered a has-been boxer he can still keep up with top boxers in the division if he beat Stanionis and become a champion again, he will have a chance to redeem himself by fighting the top boxers in the division.
On Stanionis this is a big challenge, a win against Thurman will catapult his name to the top and who knows he will have a chance to challenge Crawford if he can get an impressive win against Thurman.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 21, 2023, 06:23:35 AM

Stanionis is undefeated with a good knock out record but not experienced enough to beat Thurman I thought Thurman was going to fight Claressa in an exhibition match, well this is the fight where Thurman will prove to Claressa that he is a dangerous fighter so she will stop pestering him.

It should be enough because Thurman is a championship-level fighter, while Stanionis is relatively unknown and hasn't had significant fights against well-known opponents. The contrast here is clear, and I personally feel that this fight isn't what I expected. I thought Thurman would have the opportunity to face a more popular fighter.

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Stanionis has never fought a fighter as tough as Thurman, so this is his acid test as a champion, checking his fight highlights he is good but he has fought fighters that cannot be considered top rank so this is the fight that will define him if he deserves to a real champion.
I still consider Crawford, Spence, and Ennis as the top names in the welterweight division.

Indeed, Thurman's recent fights haven't been against popular boxers. It seems like a big step down, especially considering that one would expect him to face opponents at the top of the rankings. I was personally hoping to see him fight someone like Spence, but with the rematch activated, or perhaps Ennis.

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Stanionis is undefeated with a good knock out record but not experienced enough to beat Thurman I thought Thurman was going to fight Claressa in an exhibition match, well this is the fight where Thurman will prove to Claressa that he is a dangerous fighter so she will stop pestering him.

Stanionis has never fought a fighter as tough as Thurman, so this is his acid test as a champion, checking his fight highlights he is good but he has fought fighters that cannot be considered top rank so this is the fight that will define him if he deserves to a real champion.
I still consider Crawford, Spence, and Ennis as the top names in the welterweight division.

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I don't really think Thurman has done anything recently to be fighting for a world title but they are closely aligned with PBC so their fighters get special favors when they aren't very deserving. As far as I'm concerned, Terence Crawford is the only legitimate welterweight champion currently.

Thurman doesn't fight often and outside of his win against Barrios, a b-level fighter, doesn't have a meaningful win in many years. The ring rust will be a factor although Stanionis hasn't fought in 18 months himself. Stanionis isn't all that great but I expect him to win simply because he is younger and still in his prime.

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Quote from: Latviand on October 20, 2023, 10:10:24 PM

I've seen Thurman fight and even though he has a cocky attitude, his fighting style in my opinion is something to look out for, he won't be fighting Pacquiao if he wasn't worthy. Plus the wealth of experience that he's got compared to Stanionis is a big help.

Thurman was a champion, and that pretty much explains why he's considered a better fighter. He lost his belt to Pacman, which is fair enough since Pacman is a legend, but it was a well-fought battle. It could have gone either way since the fight ended in a split decision, if I recall correctly.

This fight feels more like his comeback, and I thought so, but it's not against a champion, so it's not as interesting. However, the fact that he has a fight now makes me believe he could still make a comeback to that championship fight one day.

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I'd put my money on Thurman on this fight although I would probably consider arbitrage betting.

Of course, that's the smart choice. But why arbitrage?

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I've seen Thurman fight and even though he has a cocky attitude, his fighting style in my opinion is something to look out for, he won't be fighting Pacquiao if he wasn't worthy. Plus the wealth of experience that he's got compared to Stanionis is a big help. I'd put my money on Thurman on this fight although I would probably consider arbitrage betting.

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It's great to hear that Thurman is making a comeback to the ring after over a year of being inactive. His last fight was back in May 2022 against Mario Barrios, which he won via unanimous decision. His opponent is still quite young, at 29 years old, and doesn't have much experience. So, I'd automatically put my bet on Thurman to win this fight, especially since he has only one loss, and many believe he could have won that fight against Pacman if he had been more aggressive in the first half of the round.

I think Thurman really needed this break, and while the fight against Crawford didn't happen, it's good to see him back in action. I'm hoping he wins this fight impressively, and I'm sure there's a big fight waiting for him in the near future.

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Thurman is supposed to fight Claressa Shields and he's been daring Crawford to fight but after all the negotiation he will end up fighting for the WBA world welterweight against Stanionis

Stanionis was scheduled to fight Ortiz in July but the fight was cancelled because Ortiz was hospitalized two days before the weigh-in.
Both fighters have a long lay off but definitely, they are going to be in the right shape come fight night as both fighters always show up in great shape.

For me, the fight is almost even but I have Thurman winning by decision since he is the more experienced and versatile fighter between the two.

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Thurman has agreed to challenge WBA world welterweight champion Eimantas Stanionis on December 9 in Las Vegas. The bout between Thurman, a former WBA/WBC 147-pound champion, and Stanionis will be part of a pay-per-view card Showtime will distribute from MGM Grand Garden Arena, which will commemorate the venue’s 100th boxing card that night.

Eimantas Stanionis-Keith Thurman Set For December 9 As Part Of Showtime/PBC PPV In Vegas

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