Topic: Tim Gurner wants Unemployment to increase. Employers have lost their power. (Read 509 times)

And I encourage this as well, a CEO is looking primarily after themselves and the company they are managing and not their employees, so if you join one of those large companies then they are going to try to extract all what they can out of you while paying you the lowest amount of money possible, but if instead you work on your own then you can work as hard as you want and you will get to preserve all of those profits for yourself, and you will not have to worry about being fired as no one can do it as you are now your own boss.

Tim Gurner is not alone in this. We have CEOs all over the counties of the world with just the same mindset about their employees. This is the reason why I encourage self-employment or the type where you are not committed to just one organization. And yes, these organizations can achieve their organizational dreams and goals without these types of staff. Employees should not be committed to an organization where the CEO is bent on making himself "fatter" while the employees labour their life's, health, happiness, relationships , dreams and career away.

But it is precisely that increase on options employees have which is causing employers to lose a part of their power, the truth is if it was up to the employers they will pay you nothing for your work, but no one is crazy enough to accept those terms so they have to offer something in return, but what they offer is so small and with so many strings attached that people are simply turning their backs to them and finding other ways to make money, and this is what it is driving them crazy.

It's just that it is proven that works aren't that much limited on the employees local area nowadays. The work from home setup has proved that it is effective even if your client or employer is on another part of the world, employees have an additional options on who or what kind of work do they want to enter. It is not like before where people need to travel away from their local area to the business district just to get a well paying job. I believe that work from setup is effective, depending on the job of course. As long as the employee is responsible and the employer is supportive, the job will done right. Actually there are companies that had retained the work from home setup that had been utilized since the pandemic.

It's not that employers lost their power, employees just have other options.

Having a balance and mutually protecting workers' rights is a way for companies to keep their employees feeling comfortable in doing their work so that their company achieves their success. If there are still companies that use the current slavery system, of course the company has violated the existing rules and the workers too would not want to work for that company. Currently people certainly know their rights to work and if they do work that is not in accordance with what is not their responsibility, of course no one wants to work in that place because that place does not protect their workers' rights.

During the pre-pandemic era, the WHO restricted people from going outside, which is why some of the company must need to push their WFH setup to make their company still continue during this pandemic and somehow its benefits to the people keep it working but again, not all of the people are suitable with this reason why they get unemployed and in this case many people suffer and also accepts any kind of job just to make sure they can survive during this pandemic. Right now we are in the post-pandemic some of the companies and organizations resumes to their office or RTO. Still the employer have the power to manage their employees unless they don't really care and reason of suffering with their company.

Eh, somehow I am not convinced with what he is saying. From where does he get the idea that an employee can now tell the employer what he needs and what he doesn't? The corporate world will never bend its knees in front of the employee. Let us make one thing really clear about jobs. If there is Anthony who doesn't accept an offer of a $100 per hour job then there is always another Tim who is willing to do the same job at the payroll of $80 per hour. That is the world around here, and that many variety of peeps already exists. In my opinion, his assumption is based on the society where he lives or whatever his company's situation might be.

But it's never ever gonna be the other way around. There are so many jobless out there that if anything comes their way, they are going to accept that offer no matter what. Employers are always in power, they will always find a way to fund their pockets no matter what.

That's just the ramblings and selfishness of a company that would like to think that its power would exist without the contributions of others. So don't get your hopes up about getting a job in a company like this. In the world of work, regulations must be balanced and mutually protect workers' rights. The positions of company leaders and workers must complement each other in order to achieve goals. If you simply want to implement slavery in today's world of work, you risk being abandoned and forced into bankruptcy. Currently labor protection laws are set to eliminate the principle of gaps like this. As development progresses, people begin to be creative and realize that if they want to work according to rules that protect individual rights, then the involvement of company leaders must be in synergy with employees, namely creating mutually beneficial cooperation.

Personally, I think such statements are completely inappropriate. Even though basically he is a person who has power over the company he owns. But since he has made a statement like that, I think it will be controversial. Because, even though the workers really need money through the job opportunities opened by their companies. However, if the boss or CEO expresses an opinion like that, I am sure the workers will think a little about joining and working for the company. In fact, he said, workers had to beg to get jobs at his company. I think this will hurt the hearts of workers who are looking for work a little. So in my opinion the CEO's actions were very selfish and demeaning to every worker there.

Although it cannot be denied that sometimes there are workers who make demands or desires so that the company where they work can fulfill all their wishes. But such cases, as far as I know, are very rare. Because I am sure, the majority of workers in this world must have good ethics and be humble in carrying out their work. Because this will provide plus points throughout his career.

And actually, if you want to find a solution to the problem of workers who are always demanding, in my personal opinion it is enough to just fire the workers who are demanding. So don't be complicated, let alone make statements like that. Because in my personal opinion, workers and company owners are components that need each other. So company owners should not make statements that could cause controversy among workers. Apart from that, workers must also be aware that they are workers, so that they do not carry out strange actions at work. So that the company is comfortable with its workers, and makes a profit and the workers can also be comfortable with their work and can get a steady income every month.

Maybe some employees who truly care for their job, or afraid that they can't get a job immediately will obey those tight rules but there are some won't. It was still a wrong practice for the employers and they can get reported for this.

I am only worried for those who will lose their jobs after. Deciding to become unemployed sounds like an awful decision even though you still have the resources to survived because they can still run out someday. Will wait for that moment to happen? The pandemic on the other hand have changed a lot of lives. Some companies got weaker, some didn't survive, while some found an opportunity during this period.

I would guess that this could be the approach for employers, but employees may not give way, and that's the important difference. When unemployment increases a lot, that still gives a lot of power to unemployed people. Because if unemployment went up, that means there are jobs that are not getting done as well, and you need to increase the salary to find people if everyone rejects it.

There is a good amount of movement going around where people just quit their jobs and do not accept terrible job offers no matter what happens, they rather collect welfare check than be the soldier for an employer. Unemployment increasing will not change that, those already super rich billionaires will have hard time finding workers.

More reasons low skilled employees should advance their skills to a competitive standard, such that they won't run short of work. Greedy employers don't care about their employees, and interpret the employee's request as too demanding. As if the employee invest the fund and time somewhere else other than the same company. If an employer removes a skilled worker from the number of staff in the company. He'll be affected in no distant time, as he may not get a replica of that skilled person, he removed. But the skilled person, will easily find a better paying and conducive job that values his help and intelligence. Hence, if a person is well skilled in his field, unemployment rate shouldn't frighten them. For instance, a professional sales person, who generate or earns high income, when he losses his job, finding a unique company will be simple. So, employees should endeavor to learn and be vast in their field of practice. Because employers don't care anymore once they get the result, they wished to see. Once the employer's goes is achieved, paying of salaries will be difficult, which delays the financial growth of the employees. Moreover it's important to work ahead of the current situation in our work place, create new stream of incomes. Provide people what they want. If not, get ready to be a modernized slave to the boss.

Looks like guy is not aware how middle class exists. When employed people have important rights, proper housing and healthy foods they will never stop working at all cause there will always be enough encouraging. When you force people to die even if they work, they will need jobs that's sure BUT working quality will drastically go down. In the end for functional society we need better rights for workers! Otherwise people could radicalize! Rich should understand this.

I am confident that he has received enough obscene insults and curses, so I will not say more. This man is an example of a tyrannical authoritarian who wishes for the return of the eras of slavery that humanity got rid of after great suffering and sacrifices.

Such tyrannical aristocrats do not feel the extent of the need for people to work, especially via the Internet, to secure their monthly expenses. They smell of tyrannical power and hatred, and they hate Bitcoin and even the Internet, which has given people the opportunity to work from home and earn more.

I think he needs a lesson in politics before economics, because politicians in every country brag to voters that they are seeking to eliminate unemployment, and this idiot is spouting this nonsense about the necessity of increasing unemployment.

I relate to you. In the country I live in unemployment is a severely loud problem. Adding the pressure of food and products' price hike does not help the situation of the people. Hence, I cannot blame employees who prefers to work remotely in order to have a side job or manage a small business at home while working to earn more in order to gain enough income for their daily needs. A work from home setup has opened an opportunity for a lot of employees to find more channels of income that helps them manage their expenses. However, this of course does not give them an excuse not to follow their company's policies. Hence, if it is Tim Gurner's problem that his employees are not following his orders as an employer then it is best to use the authority of the company policy rather than making such bold and obnoxious statement that unemployment should increase.

Here in our country, the percentage of unemployed people is very high. And when it comes to the salaries of the employees here, even the minimum wage is still not enough for every family if it only depends on the salary of one employee. Unlike other countries where wages are high compared to this.

That's why many of my compatriots here work in other countries because the wages are higher, but even so, I noticed that unemployment is also a problem in many countries. But sometimes there are other employees in a company who are also demanding, but I don't think everyone is like that.

Also, even if every country's government wants to resolve the unemployment status in their territory, they are not able to provide a 100% solution.

Tim Gurner is a capitalist. He is one of the people who should be used to cite example of how bad capitalism is. Imagine if there were no labor unions, this man would literally work his employees to death because he wants them to bring him money.

This is exactly how those financial elites think, all they dream and scheme about is how to increase the desperation level of the workers. They make their employees suffer to exist in a multi-trillion dollar economy.

This is a big display of idiocy and a show that you lack moral decadence, decent culture and home training. I wonder how what I posted caused all the unguarded vulgar words you used, it's a very show of shame on your part and speaks so loudly about who you are.

Stop being sentimental, and whether you like it or not, the market will continue to play the economics of demand and supply between employees and employers just as I iterated before, and none of them will have permanent dominance in a sane economy depending on the economical condition in play.

It is completely absurd for the person who made the statement to say that he is very demanding for workers when the rich 1 percent own half of the world's wealth. I don't understand how he can make this statement so easily. Salaried people in the world, workers are not demanding despite everything.
Except for a minority group, the number of people seeking their rights is very small and as a result, such arrogant statements can be made. All they do is work, work and work to increase the wealth of the 1%. In order to meet the demands of people with this mindset, you have to starve to death. The fact that these statements are even being made is entirely due to our own incompetence. It's time to speak out.

At present if the nation is ahead of the curve it is never possible to increase unemployment an employee wants his freedom in work and the boss should not impose everything according to his wishes. If he wants to improve his company he must treat the employees well many new jobs have been created unemployment is inevitable because the economy is always changing. Some organizations are shrinking while others are expanding. Some regions are experiencing faster growth than others migration of workers within firms and between regions is accompanied by temporary unemployment. The workers are now very aware and when the owners put pressure on them they create new ideas to stay ahead of the competition.

He is the kind of boss that no one wants to work under, and that is what is making him say this. The thing is, employees, haven't got thousands of opportunities, but it's just that there is more awareness in the market now, and employees have started realizing that the bosses can't really overburden them for their own benefit and since these big people want power and control and talk about rules, they are basically the ones who don't follow the rules in the first place.

I would never like to work under a person who puts me under pressure and gives me a lot of extra work just because he pays me a salary, and if I raise my voice for myself and demand a change or I'll resign, the boss starts talking shit like this person who is crying like a baby that he and some other useless people are losing control of their employees that they treat like trash.

The fed also wants the unemployment to increase because it’s one of the main causes of inflation. When you got labor shortages you need to pay your workers more. But if you are forced to pay your workers more you need to increase your prices. Hence why inflation goes up.

Another issue is productivity. The workers productivity is lower and hence why it takes longer to do certain jobs. With labor shortages the employers can’t do much. They can’t fire the person because they work slow becuase they will get nothing done.

That's just stupid. Imagine if you said this shit when news broke out from 2014-15 about the Nestle CEO saying "water shouldn't be free and everyone should not have inclusive access to potable water", you'd probably feel stupid about it. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion sure, but if it's wrong you better face the consequences especially if you're too proud about it too like this mf Tim Gurney. The market will steer towards whatever will profit the richest the most, it's not about the welfare of the common people anymore. We're just glad that for once at least the common folk and the rest of the planet's richest are in agreement with how beneficial WFH is. Soon as the narrative changes just see how disgusting things could be again.

Not only Tim Gurner, also many country administrations and central bank members want the unemployment rate to increase within the scope of the fight against inflation. This is due to the expectation that if there are more unemployed people, individuals will be forced to restrict their spending and consumption, will decrease making a positive contribution to inflation. Unfortunately, today's economic conditions have reached a full crisis threshold and for this reason many people are losing their jobs every day. Individuals who haven't yet lost their jobs are now left under a workload that exceeds their job description and perform as much as possible due to the fear of losing their job.

Unfortunately, the increase in unemployment rates and the fear of individuals losing their jobs will not end unless the fight against inflation is fully taken under control and many country governments stop increasing the unemployment rate in order to combat inflation.

Man is here blaming covid for his employees not working hard when it's probably his fault (and their shareholders) for having bad contracts and salaries (probably). I can't even not blame him since the cost of living is rapidly rising and yet this man probably thinks that he should still offer the same thing that he always has for his workers, or maybe even worse. Who would want to stay then? or at least not try to renegotiate?

Cheap labor in a nutshell. Man was too used to having his way in dictating what his workers can and can't take or accept so I guess being introduced to reality kind of hit him too hard when it did. I'm just surprised it took covid before it actually did to him (or maybe he just outright ignored it beforehand).

To be fair the situation is not like this in my nation, so I wouldn't know. There is still unemployment and majority of the workers end up working for minimum wage as well. I do not know the official number but I know that it is well beyond %20+ that earns minimum wage here, which is rare in most other nations. The problem of a nation starts when one boss says "we need more desperate workers", think about it, that is what he says. Saying you want unemployment higher so that people would accept your offer since they are forced to, otherwise they will starve, means that you want workers who are working for you because they have to. I rather have employees that work for me because they prefer working for my company than the competition, maybe that would make it better? He should start thinking about that.

Does he want to return to the age of slavery? What exactly does he mean when he says these? There is nothing more natural than an employee demanding his rights and wanting to work in a better environment. These words may be true if the employee does not do what is required or requests things that he should not ask for, but it is not right to generalize them.

Isn't it ridiculous that rich people think they should have a say in everything? I looked at his statement and I can't take someone seriously who says something like "less arrogance in the employment market".

I am talking about Bitcoin here not Ethereum not any other shitcoin because they were created for different purposes and Bitcoin is the most decentralized crypto even in the future.

Becoming rich depends on our efforts but bitcoin gives a way that isn't controlled by the system which is indirectly controlled by existing rich people in one or another way. Bitcoin is not going to make us rich that should be clear in our minds, it we bought it in 2010 then we would be billionaires now but at present still there are ways we can make money and store it in the form of bitcoin to stay away from the controlled system.

It's absurd that people can have such a mentality. These kinds of peeps will not hesitate to okay slave trade if the issue ever came up! Even if they are employees, I feel they should have a right to draw the line when these bosses are trying to overstep. This is a first class selfish opinion of you ask me.
He feels employees are earning a lot for little? Gimme a break! I think this guy just has some entitlement issues and this comment self serving he is. Even though his comment has received a lot of backlash from unions and workers and even politicians alike, I doubt he'd feel sorry about it, even if he were to apologize for his insensitivity, it'd be so the media would have more fodder for gossip and nothing else. His kinds just see others as minions who are there to do his bidding and
for him make such comments in the wake of people losing their jobs and the cost of living in Australia is quite high just goes to show how much of a narrow thinker he is.
 Stats show that the unemployment rate in Australia for the month of August is 3.7% and yet someone is out there wishing for more unemployment just so the jobless can learn a "lesson '. I mean what other lesson can someone without a job and tons of bills to pay learn?

Well, people like Tim Gurner should be brought back to earth in a hard way.... because his attitude towards human beings suck. Your employees are not supposed to be subservient slaves, like they were in 3500 BC.... because we as humans evolved... and we now appreciate the people that put bread on your table.  

I hate arrogant rich pricks like him, because they think money make them special... and that their money allow them to handle other people like second grade humans.  

That means he has to recruit workers who really want to follow his wishes and they are not allowed to have the desire to make the company more advanced.
This means the company may not get creative ideas from its workers, especially in the marketing department, because they must obey their owners.
It would be a setback for all companies if many companies thought like that.
If he wants unemployment to increase, he must be able to destroy many companies or make large companies go bankrupt so that workers can no longer work and become unemployed.
But I doubt this can happen because we are now in modern times, where internet technology has developed a lot and unemployed workers can look for work via the internet.

This man lives too comfortable life. I think it will be okay if we require by law to force top management to do once every 2 weeks what typical employees do, then they'll understand whether their workers work less or are overworked.

Bitcoin was escape but it's not an escape anymore, I guess. It's taken over by rich people again, who owns mining farms? Rich people, you can't mine anymore at home because it's unprofitable unless you have a free energy. Who owns centralized exchanges? Rich people. I hope DEXs will get popular. What's ETH going to do? ETH is going to increase the validator stake from 32 to 2048.

They do that because that's what they learn and hear from people around them or that's what they experienced at past and now want to get pleasure of being on top of things and look at their employees like slaves because once he/she was like that. Employers don't understand that employees well-being increases employer's well-being but they think that they well-being can only be improved if employee's well-being is pressured down.

The working environment of organisations is evolving over time, the CEO should come to terms with the reality of what is on ground as employees have a better negotiating powers now. Even if this particular suggestion of his comes into fruition, employees will still want to migrate to another company hence the working environment of their present company is toxic.

The CEO's suggestions, even if it's implemented, it will send a negative feedback to the labour market, what if an employee is in a company that has a toxic environment, that employee shouldn't resign or seek for better options somewhere else because there is scarcity of jobs, That's a no no for me. That's more like infringing into people's lives or  wanting to strangulate the workforce.

Instead of making it look as if, it has been the fault of employees to seek for better options, the CEO should come up with better options to favour both the workforce and the employers of labour.

Well, you know how people like him think. They want their employees to be loyal to them and follow all of their demands without raising any questions but they fail to be considerate employers. While it is true that there are instances that some employees are requesting for too much, employers like Tim Gurner have the power of the company policy in his back that he can use to discussed and argue with these employee rather than dictating such a statement that is beyond ridiculous.

This shows how the rich don't want the poor to be free from their oppression. How on earth if you are a good employer will you want your employee to see you as God, when both parties are helping each other. Is it that the employer is paying his employees without them carrying out their duties. Employers love taking their employees for granted just because they are the Boss, you can imagine this selfish proud brat called Tim Guner saying these word out in public, that he wants people to loss their jobs so that employees can beg for retaining their jobs so that he can come out with harsh conditions for the employee. What power does an employer want over an employee rather than to make sure that they are doin their jobs, and any one that is incompetent of the job would be replaced. Also for them to come up with fresh ideas which doesn't need you to be in the office, before you can do all these.

The rich become even richer precisely during economic crises and wars, because then they can manipulate the market even more and convince people to work more for less and that they do everything in their power to make us better off. When you already mentioned Comrade Bezos and his empire, I remember how during the pandemic he even asked for help/donations to pay his workers, the same ones who tell stories every day about what it's like to work for him.

These are the most ordinary hypocrites who will publicly call out people that they need to allocate their money better and reduce their carbon footprint, while at the same time their planes, yachts and super cars together with their companies are destroying the environment at an incredible speed - all for profit, of course.

That's the sad reality, the thing is if we want to complaint about wage increment, our boss will say our wage is already good enough and if we keep insist it, they can easily fired us and replace with other people who willing to get paid less as long as they can work.

We can't do much, the only possible thing to quit from rat race is become a freelancer that give opportunity to earn big amount of money from developed countries.

Isn't the unemployment rate already too high in most parts of the world, and besides if unemployment rates raises then this will force the skilled labour to migrate to places where they are needed forcing employers to pay more for those that remain as they will have the bargaining chip once again as skilled personnel.
Besides, Isn't this been to selfish of Tim Gurner to want so much power over employees, if he wants this them let him pay them well and he will get what he wants.

Modern day slavery at its best...

The first comment under the video explains everything. I guess the numbers are different, in some countries this ratio is even worse:


And looks like the pandemic and war in Ukraine didn't stop rich people from getting richer... in the past years their profits are hitting the roofs, but we "slaves need to work harder". And we need to drive less, apparently, my car produces more pollution than Jeff Bezos's 500 million-dollar yacht.

With the adoption of work from home setup during the height of the pandemic, this has also retrieved the freedom of many employees to be with their families while working and putting food on their tables. While it's true that many of them have been demanding because it's hard to go back to the setup that they used to be in an office setup. But this is easy, the policies of the companies should still be followed by employees. If they don't want to RTO then they're free to resign if their demands can't be provided by the company. But if they can be given that opportunity to continue working at home then it is a blessing. Anyway, it's always equal, whether WFH or office setup having a job is the true blessing. On the other hand, it's just hard to get back on the setup that they've been used to be comfortable and that's the WFH setup. With this Gurner's point of view, this is something he shouldn't wish for. The world is struggling and many have been laid offs and it's not going to stop everywhere. He should just give an opinion about employees helping their companies through returning-to-office if that's the setup he wants most employers wanna be.

And that is precisely the problem, we are seeing that many companies are trying to force people back to the office as in that way they can keep a very tight control of their employees, and people do not want that, however even when threatened they will be fired people are simply deciding to quit instead of going back to the office, this tells us the conditions are so bad at the office people are deciding to become unemployed or to start their own business, and when the biggest threat companies have has no effect on their employees, then they should realize they no longer hold the power they had before the pandemic.

So, here's how business works. Everyone wants power over something, yet they depend on each other. Companies have gained more benefits than their employees, but when a company's reputation is at stake, they feel compelled to lower the status of their employees, almost treating them like slaves, just to maintain control.

This practice indeed seems cruel, as it comes across as oppressive. Companies can play the role of job providers, and when the unemployment rate is high, their power becomes even stronger. What if the situation were reversed? Jobs are abundant, and unemployment is minimal. It seems that companies would start to appreciate their employees.

 Tim Gurner can WANT anything But he will have to accept and come to terms with the fact that the world has changed. And yes, COVID was some kind of trigger that changed the labor market. Not everywhere, but in many countries and heads. And what's amazing is that people realized that you can work not "man-hours in the office" but productively and remotely and even multiple jobs at the same time. And it WORKS!
And even by personal example I can say - I have a group of developers and system administrators, and after covid, and then after the terrorist attack of russia on my country - they do not work in the office, they work at home or in places where they relocated, 1 outside of Ukraine, in the EU. And no problems happened ! For people this format of work - additional non-material motivation, for me - reduction of expenses on office maintenance and providing workplaces

I hope this kind of stuff will get him cancelled. People finally got empowered, calling at least some of the shots about their lives. They're already working and providing profit to the employers, so yeah, I think they should have a say about their working conditions in that case.
Employers have been mistreating their employees, now they finally realize that they gotta listen to the people who work for them, and this guy wants to punish those who usually just want decent lives and decent work environments for having the audacity to want that stuff.

It just made me laugh reading this as those employers lost their powers. Well the only reason why those employees are kind of demanding this is that they don't see the hard work that was done by employees. I've gotten too emotional here as I've experienced this. Employees are the key to company success as those people are the ones really continuing the transactions but the way employers do it is they are going to slave their employees lucky on them if those employees won't leave but most of them will. They should look at their management and know what is the problem with their company, they should know the reason behind it. Employees should feel the power and be compensated well.

Modern slavery and nothing more than that, because what else can you say when you see how someone treats workers' rights, or better said, considers these rights completely unnecessary. According to them, people should work, shut up and put up with everything the boss tells them, even if it means humiliating themselves to the point of renouncing their basic labor rights, such as going on a break or going to the toilet, or maybe even working without regular pay.

In my country, employers mostly treated workers in the private sector very badly while there were a lot of unemployed people, and today, when people have gone to all corners of the world, they import foreign labor that is not even half as good as the local ones. A good worker should be appreciated and paid, but this is something that some employers realize too late, perhaps only when they wonder why profits and production are falling, or when their company fails.

It is sadly true that this is the case in almost every facet of work, because that is how even the government control the citizens.
It is true also that employment in many cases is same as slavery. All the managers and owner care about many a times is you working your ass off till overtime for the salary, without having to say a word on being treated wrongly or unfairly.

The good news is that Crypto currency trading and all its form or decentralization has made this control over ones purse or finance to not be effective. Hence the regulation that government wants to impose so as to still keep a leash on the citizens.
The rise of entrepreneurs is one stand against the modern day slavery idea of being employed in a job that doesn't care about you.
Think like a boss and be financially, independent and free.
By investment in cryptocurrency and the emerging technology of Web3 and Blockchain technology.

Tim Gurner opinion make sense only to the low skilled labor. As you said, employer could just fired an employee and find another one, but this only applied in low skilled labor, because many people can do the job and the training/trial period is quick and cheap. But in high skilled labor, the demand for 'good' employee is actually higher than the supply, not everyone has the set of skill that is required, and even when the employer can find another employee they need to train them about the work-flow and some basic principle of the company, because not all company has that the same, and in high skilled-labor job, that's not cheap for the employer.

I know employers always say that there are other people willing to take up the job of their employees as soon as they are fired for incompetence or not meeting up some productivity metrics. There is already unemployment and if he or any other CEO think that their staff are not being productive enough, they can easily find another person willing to do the same work since they pay what the work is worth. Consequently, if their staff is not being productive and the CEOs aren't able to find any person to replace those workers, then it means that they simply aren't paying what his work is worth, and people will choose other better options.

Wow, this is very great, good initiative, now that he has spoken, the world is going to be a better place and employees will become serious after what he said. When others are innovative and creative to bring the cost of a good environment for their employees, he is looking for alternative ways to sabotage the effort of people who allow us to do remote work. It doesn't make sense, we didn't call for COVID-19, it happened as caused by others mistake and we dealt with, and the alternative is still saving people to date, the majority has turned their company to virtual and is more productive and economical in cost.

He doesn't have a say when there is a high increase in labour, you can't beat it because if you want the country to develop, you will need labour and when you need labour, you will also need more employers. You can't have fewer people to have their ass work up with less pay, nobody will do that, you can't even enslave employees, there is a labour congress union watching for the rights of the workers.

It is ridiculous. It does suggest systemic and structural causes of the problem and distress are simply an employee being unproductive while being paid "a lot". What is more absurd are the answer to the problem which requires the unemployment rate to rise.


That is simply a supervillain attitude that wants to control their employer, instead of seeking the root of the problems. He wants obedience, structurally. Control and obedience.

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Based on the latest news, he apologised. Nevertheless, it still may do convey what his true deepest sense. It was unemphatic, but that kind of thinking is what societies or employers' deepest problem.

Or conversely, employers with opinions like this are actual dictators who support a system of slavery. They think they can still stick to the old rule of "money is power". The Covid pandemic has actually helped employees to remove the shackles of dictation from previous bosses and opened up opportunities to find better economic stability variables. Covid is the new economic order.

Sadly, this is just how some people who have occupied positions of power often think. It can corrupt just as it this CEO has been corrupted in thinking and opinion because he has been in a position where he dictates the employment and unemployment status of people. CEOs with this kind of thinking often overuse their staff and are not usually happy when they see that their staffs are doing well. People have often said that there are some CEO's who are not happy about the progress of their staffs, this Tim Gurner is an example of this.

I kinda understand his logic and his point of view, but I don't understand why does he have to share his thoughts publicly.
If he was a member of the working class, such statements would probably make him angry.  More power to the people and less power to the rich elite is actually something good. The employers are still making lots of money(even after the pandemic and the "work from home" trend). What is he complaining about? I don't really think that the employers need "more power". They have enough power and more than enough money.

To a greater extent I think we are saying the same thing. If I'm not mistaken, you are corroborating my views on the internet revolution on job creation which is witnessed during the COVID-19 work from home sager. So you will be surprised that if such factory workers lose their job or resign from it, they won't find it very difficult to hook up with opportunities online if they are internet compliance or are willing to learn the requirements of using a smart phone or computer/laptop. The internet has given more opportunity of assumption of unemployed people, the internet has driven people into hidden talents they never knew, like different video on YouTube teaching on different life experience, comedy skits, health talks, relationship and marriage etc.

Although Tim Gurner has a point that there are cases when employees are demanding too much and are taking so much authority from their employers, this is just a ridiculous outlook, especially from a developing country's perspective. Unemployment is one of the biggest problems developing countries are facing and it contributes to a lot more pressing matters that we face. Moreover, it will be close to impossible (especially right now) to take control of the rising quantity of work-from-home employees as it has flooded the industry when COVID-19 hits. If he wants to take back the power he feels like employers are losing to their employees I'm sure there are other ways to do so than engrave fear of unemployment to others. This honestly just feels like an idea from a privilege individual (which I don't doubt that he is).

But this revolution you are talking about does not apply to everyone. There are still waiters and factory workers whose working conditions are like those of the 20th century. More and more people are able to work online, or at least generate extra income from the internet, and that's a power they didn't have in the 20th century, let alone further back.

Anyway, I think he's partly right that with COVID people were sent home and paid not to work. This meant a change that is now returning to the previous normality, little by little, but what he says about the fact that we need to see 50% unemployment for this to be fixed is too exaggerated. Neither one thing nor the other, neither paying people not to work nor mass unemployment to make them accept slave-like conditions, which is what he would like.

Have you taken a second thought to ponder that just maybe the fall short in maximization of profit could be arising from the management at the top due to poor managerial decisions? There's much to consider on both sides, therefore laying off an entire staffs and employing new won't make that much difference when the management haven't taking a sober reflection on their on path in whatever downturn the company might be facing.

There certain worker's in a company that when you lose their kind of unique expertise it take you if not +5 to get someone to fill their space perfectly. Hope he the employer/company can cope with losing such staff's going by his idea of mass sack?

Todd Boehly   the new owner of Chelsea football club  is a simple example, instantly sacking of all old staffs to employ new staffs and since then the resultant effect of that action on the club results hasn't been the same despite billions spent on players.

And you think that the world returning back to normalcy after the effect of the covid-19 global pandemic is by employers laying off their entire workers based on the excuse that the employees are gaining or have gained much power? 
He's only heading for his company's doom as it's only an employee that doesn't know his worth would be begging for job.

The pandemic actually gave more access to a variety of options for those working from home. People have realized that they don't have to stick with their former employers when someone else across the country is willing to pay him more for his services while staying at home. I'm pretty sure Tim knows this.

They could do that but they can't easily replace skill set and experience.

This is ridiculous. Unemployment is the main problem in 3rd world countries and a major problem in Western countries. This guy sounds like he wants to buy the employees with the salary and make them do whatever his company wants. I live in a country where a person works as a driver, but the employer forces him to do grocery shopping, cleaning the house and other things as well. The driver does not have other options except to do what his boss asks him to do. Because he is afraid of losing his job and thousands of people are waiting for this position.

I won't work for people who want to use their employees in such ways. I have worked with international companies where a European guy was the boss. He was too humble and always tended to apologize if it was his mistake. I cannot imagine any of my local employers saying sorry to their employees for their mistakes.

Employees have human instinct and they are self fish when they can. They do not care about employers and they should know that employers must maximize profit for their business operation so that lazy employees are at bottom of employer's choice. The pandemic actually gives employees great opportunities to work remotely, work from home but refuse to return to offices when pandemic is almost over and life is back to normal is unacceptable.

No doubt that without face to face interactions, working is less effective in most of companies and employees must know that.

The world will return to normality soon but it takes time to erase consequences of the pandemic and lockdowns, quarantines months ago.

So when these guys make millions/billions they love free market, but when the free market results in something they don't like, like the shortage of workers, then they cry like babies and want to fix it. And the hate of working from home is completely delusional, they are not even trying to hide that they treat their workers as a resource to be squeezed and discarded. So why should the workers shouldn't stand their ground, especially if they get more bargaining power? Out of sympathy for a rich guy who could only afford 1 yacht this year instead of 3?

You understand that some people just like to spread controversy because they have no other way of getting anyone to interact with them? You're basically doing advertising for this loser, who would otherwise disappear into the noise and occupy his tiny little space in the universe where he could have a power trip over his own employees. He sounds like a lousy person to walk for and is most likely venting because of high staff turnover in his own company. Instead of doing a bit of self reflection, he has decided that the employees are the problem and not his management style. They do say a large amount of people with psychopathic tendencies end up in the highest positions and maybe he is an example of this.

Tim Gurner must be speaking from a privately owned sector perspective, I don't believe companies have the authority to dictate work for their employees in a public sector setting. This only occurs in the private sector. I agree with him on how employers now misuse and always want to take control or advantage of the privileges they have while engaged to work, but generalising it to affect other employers is not what I want to agree on. You are the boss of your own firm; you make the rules; they follow, they break the rules; you fire them and hire fresh staff.

Unfortunately he can't do anything about the new online job revolution. The thread (trend) has already started with the COVID-19 pandemic that was a major factor for it. Gone are those days when sack from a job caused panic but now, the internet is there to embrace such person.

He should not instigate others to follow his myopic sentiment.

That's normally how the private sector operates, except Tim Gurner wants employers to collude with one another to drive unemployment artificially high, thereby reducing market wages of everyone participating in the labor market. His opinion is corporatist jabber.

Employees shouldn't monopolize the labor market to artificially raise wages nor should employers do the same with job openings.

His opinion actually make sense. Some employee are demanding too much right now and that is pretty weird because there is a set of rules that you need to follow as an employee. There will be always alot more of employee compared to the employer so instead of just submitting to all these silly request and whatosoever, employer could just cut them off then hire another person that is willing to do the job right

Its pretty simple actually, if you are not happy with the terms then you leave and find another that suits you

Well, this is Tim Gurner's opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs even if it's so dumb, selfish and foolish like this guy just spat out now. I wish the reverse is the case where he's the employee, maybe he will wish for such again.

Nothing has a monopoly forever, and the market will always drag itself between more jobs and fewer jobs in a sane economy. Everyone is free to jump from one to the other during surplus and even upgrade their terms as either employee or employer dominates in the workforce.

Australian Real estate tycoon.

But the employers already hammered mass layoffs post covid from Google, Facebook, Twitter/X and everyone else the reasons are pretty simple there is no need for the employees and the employers will not carry a dead burden no matter what so unless the employees provide something profitable for the employers.

Governments will not hurt rich people even if they make such calls as what happened here, which again proves money controls everything and the decentralized monetary system such as Bitcoin paves the way for an escape from it.

Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

https://twitter.com/FinancialReview/status/1701440109948887057?t=uK3d85OKPsJv9sGEVyiqAQ&s=19