Topic: To bust Casino? Blackjack, myths and reality (Read 702 times)

That will be tied to luck if you want to win in gambling, but the skills aspect will help too as in sports betting and poker, that is another factor which can lead you to win. Most people who gamble don't think or planning to be skillful because first they come to gambling place is just have fun. But then they curious more so they play more and more. Some of them learn to gamble, while others not and only depend on luck.


That could be. But do you know how many people can study math or computation better than the others? Not many, I guess. We know that people who can win in gambling are also not much, and most of them lost in gambling.

so you read that all stuff?really?how good of you mate nice long thread(novel)

like what i did mate,thats a long novel to read and some paragraph is enough to justify what OP is trying to impose.
but just like what post above said,its possible if you hit a jackpot but before that happens surely the Casino had already Won x10 of that said jackpot amount so in this means we really cannot beat them but its casino who beats us always and forever

Casinos put some precautionary measures to make sure that they are not going to lose on some kind of strategy like that. Simply shuffling the deck in every game will be impossible to use counting cards on blackjack or just stacking it to 8 decks, and shuffling every half of it is used will beat any strategy that can be used. It is possible to use strategy in some games, but every casinos are aware of it, so they are using some ways to counter it.

What if the myth to beat the casino is the knowledge of mathematics and probabilities? As you know, everyone who's in a highschool already studied how math uncovers the possibilities of winning in a game, or for something to happen. If we will try our best to rely on computation, there would be a chance that we can take advantage of most of the games that we are playing in some gambling platforms.

He wrote this thread in checking.theres no proof of being copy pasted so OP spend time to make this novel more worth it for readers.

We cannot cheat casino but strategized is possible but you are right not for a long time.,because casino will surely detect the strategy and blocked or make preventive actions towards winning combinations

And you are also right that for a rightful gambler,enjoyment must be the objective and winning will be a bonus for reasonable playing

The OP is too long I didn't read it word by word. Well, I read a paragraph or two, especially the conclusion. I guess the most important point is there.  It is nice of you though that you made the most important points in bold fonts.

Anyway, to bust a casino is a quixotic act. In other words, unrealistic and pointless! Well, a few extremely brilliant card readers could at least attempt to do that, and even successfully at that. But only up to a certain extent, meaning they could make huge profit but short of busting the casino. Everything is under the nose in a casino. They could kick you out the moment they have suspicion on you.

 

I don’t believe that it’s all tied to luck, it’s unfortunate the aspect of being skilled has greatly been underrated and little wonder why everyone sees gambling as just a place to try their luck without ever think or planning of become better with skills which I don’t know if it is because they only see it as game of luck.

This mentality is mainly the reason we have so many failed and unsuccessful gamblers all over the world. Those who believe in skills in winning have been successfully beating the house edge and there are numerous lists of gamblers that have done this. They might not come out to say it because they are aware a lot of people believe in luck and nothing can ever be said to change what they believe.

It's also about beating a casino on a regular basis, you know. Of course, you can go with your savings to a casino, play roulette once, placing the bet on, say, red, and double your money just like that. The thing is that you can't do it over and over again and succeed. But I tend to think that it's possible to be successful on regularly when it comes to games like poker where skills matter a lot. I have a friend who believes that this is not the case, and those people who are famous for being great players - well, they just exist because there is a certain possibility that even if winnings are random, someone will be winning almost all the time.

You have a very good point bro and I am so pleased with the second point. I fear anything that has to do with depending on luck and I know not everyone is destined to always get lucky but I believe in learning and I know you can be everything you want to become in life by determination and focus.

Poker games might be difficult to learn but it is much easier and dependable that those games of luck. There are a lot of gamblers that have beaten the house edge and so many are from poker games, it’s a game of expertise that even the house cannot manipulate. Rather than wasting time, efforts and money playing games of luck and hoping to become lucky someday, I thinks it’s better to just focus on improving in ones skills than relying on luck.

Checked it and it looks like a real deal and not a copy-paste job, you deserve to have a merit for doing such a long post but I guess some of us reading and commenting your post-run out of creating to give, but going back to your topic, any method is not going to work the very popular martingale method has been tested so many times but it always failed to deliver the good.

Gamblers are hope that they can have lucky in one day, so they still playing gambling. They know that by playing gambling, they risk the money, but some of them can accept it. Yes, some of them are winning, but unfortunately, the others lose.

Poker is one of the games that does not depend on the luck factor only, but it needs the skill to win. Perhaps, some gamblers can win the games by having high skills in a poker game, and they are making money. When many gamblers are playing in the poker game, and each of them has top skills, then that will depend on the luck itself to win. Each of them is competing with their abilities and hope that their luck will come and help them.

Id rather not wait for my luck to dictate and help me bust casinos. It's rather risky and it would make our mindset quite corrupt since believing you can bust the casino and earn everything you lost is well, just pure toxicity and stupidity in our part. This is why most casinos cant be busted, cause most people or most gamblers are the one busted rather than them doing the busting.Well, they both have busts. That's something to look forward to. And both of them can give you plus plus results. Win win situation right there.

It is definitely not a myth, you can beat the casinos but there are only two ways to do it, the first and the one used by most gamblers is to just hope that day is your lucky day, obviously you cannot really rely on that but despite the odds if enough people gamble some are bound to win.

The second way is to play a game in which your skill can influence the results, poker is one of those games, because even if the cards that you receive are random the way you play them can greatly influence the outcome and how much money you get, but as you may guess becoming good enough at playing poker is not easy at all.

A gambler could beat the casino only if he has luck. If he doesn't have luck, then he will only lose his money without a chance to recover his losses. This happens many times, many gamblers trying to win the money and they think that they can win from the casino. But the fact, it is very difficult to beat the casino. But I won't say that it is impossible because I guess that some people already won the casino but they don't tell others.

Trying to seek out on where on the world of this internet world he do copy up this one but i failed and cant find the source of it which means it either his own writing or just purely a clean rephrasing thing but well it doesnt matter since we can presume things basing on title itself so its not really that needed to read up whole.

Beating or busting up casinos? Dont force out yourself since this isnt possible.

what did i just read ? the post was verry long   . how did you manage to write that all huh op ? or did you only copy and pasted it ? but you should include the reference link so that youl be good  . now lets go back on your question   .  to bust a casino is not a myth . you can get busted on a casino and a casino can possibly get busted if ever players got lucky to win at all times with big bets  . i think there is no myth but all are reality in a gambling casino 

I guess "bust casino" and "bust size" are not similar things! Now I'm disappointing... but not really because you wrote some really good points in your post.
It's just kinda too big so I didn't read everything to be honest.

Just... is this 100% your writing?

I don't know if you have written all that by yourself or you have copy-pasted it from social media/a website, but there certainly are some interesting facts. After speed reading the OP my conclusion is that you can't consistently beat the casino, even with applying complex strategies that were exemplified in the OP. Even if you could somehow get a small edge over the casino I think it is much more time effective to learn another skill. No doubt that if you can learn all those strategies you can do marvelous things in other industries as well.

It's false to say you can't beat the casino. One people can beat the casino. Basically when someone wins the jackpot he beats the casino, even if he lost one thousand times before...
But it's right to say all gamblers together can't beat the casino.

Hahaha, yes, that is why I skip reading all of the long articles, but maybe next time, as I said.

It is tough to beat the casino, and the chances are not too big. A gambler knows that they cannot win from the casino, but they have a small chance to win at the right time and in the right place. But I don't think that is a myth to beat the casino. We all have seen that some people who play gambling can win in any game. That is because they have luck inside the games.

It takes so much time reading everything... So to sum things up, what yoi want to say is that there's no long term strategies to win...

First, gambling itself is not really good for long term. It's just for entertainment... Different strategies may work when you're playing but it does not guarantee winning at all time. Athough you put much strategy on playing, luck was also always there. Meaning that strategies are not enough for you to win,  good analytical skill and a bit of luck is also needed.

PS. You should've also summarized your content by making it concise 'cause not everyone will give time reading everything.

But that few people who’s being happy in gambling won’t spend time reading a novel 😂
Maybe what you meant is “You Can’t Beat the Casino”?

Casino is designed to bag money and not to give away,so if you think at some point people are winning in casinos?yeah that’s indeed but only 1-5% of  100 are winning and the rest is helping the casino owner become more richer

I didn't bother to read through the entire wall of text but yes, blackjack has been broken before by a group from MIT. It's not simple though since you need to walk into a casino rigged with wires that you'd use to transmit signals to your card-counting accomplices outside. You'd need a team for this.

Needless to say, casinos caught up to this and they'd immediately throw you out if they discovered you doing this and you get added to a database of "undesirables" that is shared among casinos. (Yes, they even hire detectives to help compile this.)

Just give up thinking you can easily make the house go bust. The house always win in the end.

Well i don't think busting the casino is possible since all of their games have house edge that makes beating it impossible and the fact gambling is a game of chance so, you will win and lose too and sometimes in casinos if you are winning consecutively, the chances to getting a win are getting lower and lower as you win so, in long run you will lose and lose until you r bankroll reach to zero so, don't even try busting the casino. just withdraw your winnings and don't tempt to gamble again you will lose all of your winnings and deposit at the end the day.

It's usually not possible to completely bust a casino unless you are operating several accounts at once and get extremely lucky. Most online casinos will have a maximum bet and/or win amount which essentially protects the bankroll, preventing it from falling too low to sustain the other play sessions.

In order to actually bankrupt a casino, you would need to be running probably dozens of accounts at once and beat the house edge with a large bet on all of these accounts. The feasibility of this is quite low, so most platforms aren't concerned with this. Alternatively, you could get an extremely lucky run with a series of high value bets, and completely tank the bankroll.

I imagine you would get banned before you bankrupt the casino though, that's bad business.

Personally, I don't see any secret. If you are already on the positive side, just quit and take the money with you. There's no sense to chase more money because it will simply back fire on your end.

I've experienced a lot of this when I started early on my gambling journey. That's why when I see that I have good profit already, I call it a day, easy as that. The problem is that people tend to be greedy and not satisfied with their winnings. Just remember that the longer you play the changes of you losing multiply.

But gambling is entertainment, not a way to earn money, but it’s also relative, for example, professional poker players earn more than just play

Maybe agree with you 

Nothing wrong with some good advice, though crediting a source is a good idea also.   I've always liked playing Blackjack even if I'm not that great at it, some material to revise close to hand gets a thumbs up from me.   I'm a fast reader so its not that big a deal to skim through.
   If its true that most places now shuffle 8 decks and dont play through all cards then I guess the chances of card counting ever working is slim to none; not that this was my strategy anyway but its useful to know rather then wasting any time trying whats already known.    This is going to be unfortunate for some who will have to stick to the bricks and mortar operations I guess.

They wouldnt be there if I could I expect to do so, its a nicely assured business I would guess everyone already knows that by now.   I'd rather just enjoy the game and if a few tips help me avoid common mistakes then its worth the quick read for any mistake I might be making normally.

Yes, that is interesting to read those articles, but I am too lazy for now, maybe next time

But thank you for the article.

The victory will be on the house side. We, as gamblers have 2 options which are winning or losing the money. We can win the blackjack or another gambling game, but that will only if we have luck. But all in all, only the casino will take the biggest money from the gambling industry, and we are losing the money if we don't stop when we lose. That is the point of playing gambling.

Just like i said before gambling is designed for the house only and it is not for the gamblers. This is how the gambling industry works by giving a slight chance of their potential gamblers to play using the provably fair but in the long run the house will always reign the victory.

I do agree to this one though and come to think even on the simplest decision in life do really need some sort or mix of luck for us to succeed or benefit us out and having this kind of mentality like being greedy with gambling will only lead into a miserable life.


Those would really just remain myths because these werent possible in gambling no matter what.We know on how big the gambling industry is.
So it basically means its a profitable business and the reason? Because of those gamblers who do like to get rich by means of playing and to those greedy ones.

Absolutely true! Casinos are one of the few businesses that has sure profit every month.
And as this article concluded - profits in this industry are "much higher than any other industry" in US alone.

https://www.finance-monthly.com/2019/03/heres-how-casinos-make-money/

So even if there are myths, strategies and whatever you called the schemes to beat the house, still the chance of bringing them down is next to impossible.

Come on.. Sometimes it’s interesting to read something like that, with a cup of coffee after work.
There will definitely be those who will be interested.

Blackjack is typically the casino game with the best possible odds if you stick to basic strategy at all times.  You will still end up losing if you play long enough, that is just how profitability works.  There is no surefire way to beat the casino unless you use an exploit.

But people still play and the majority (I hope ...) understand that this is just entertainment, and not a way to "Earn Money"

The fact that many myths exist is because in game of skills or where just a little bit of skill is involved many different people think they have found a way of how to beat the casino.

The fac is just like the conclusion here which is no one can beat the casinos as they are designed to make money to the owners but not to the players.

Agree as well here ,because our strategy won’t last long because the game designed will surely interfere in what we re doing and will make necessary move to prevent us from winning so fo short time yes it will functional but will stop in a certain time
Well skill can be used but luck must be go together because if not then all will end up losing

In fact, you can get an advantage without any hacking, for example, I used to search for loopholes and errors in the casino, most often such errors are associated with referral systems where you can not lose if certain conditions are met.
If I found something like this, I informed the administration and received a reward from them, sometimes this reward was a ban

Those who are financially sound and are enjoying the luxuries of life do play not for money but for joy. They often go and spend holidays in Manila too. If you say you are gambling for fun and you are doing it constantly for years, we know the story. Yeah some people might gamble for money but not all of them. The sole motivation behind gambling is making economic gains.

I think its possible to cheat the system of a gambling but only of you are a skilled hacker . You can hack them and bypass thier security ,find loopholes . Im sure that you can make much money on them but in reality , hacking is a crime , its a sin and its also hard to do  . Ill rather play gambling normally , win or loose ill accept it because gambling is really built for a different kind of fun and thrill , not for money making business  .

I really don't get some people I see in this forum, like seriously. Please did you just take out time to be writing all these or you just copied and pasted it from a site even without you yourself knowing anything about it? How can you be posting as long as this in a forum, do you even need an answer for this? Cause nobody here is ready to sit and read all these things you have written here, no one has that kind of time. You should have summarized everything and make it short so that we will all understand it. Damn meehn. I couldn't even read it cause it was very long, and I had to scroll to the comments to see if anyone has summarized it.

I highly agree with this conclusion stated on OP;

This should really be put up always on our mind that theres no long term strategies that would work.Unless if you are doing
skill based games then you might really have that edge due to experience and skills enhanced.

So much words to decribe things but it can really be summarized into a good thread. Well, yeah it takes time to read the thread  and usually most of the users will not spend time to read it. Well, gambling is just a game and can’t never be a source of money thats risky. I do spend playing but not thinking too much about money because i play to enjoy.

Very well said. You cannot cheat gambling but the house can cheat you. Even you try all the myths, you cannot hack the system. On the other hand , the house have a large possibility on manipulating the game in order to the gamblers to put a large amount of money to lose. If you want to spend money, go gambling.

That is what gamblers need to know and should always remember.
But the problem is they never get it from what they do in gambling and they still playing games.
But if you don't mind to lose the money by using a limit, then you should not worry if somehow you lose the money.
We all see many gamblers lose their money because they are trying to beat the house, but they continue playing.
It is hard to beat the house cannot, but we will be easy to lose the money.

He should have posted the link where he got this article though. Posting all those texts will not attract many readers. Better summarize and give the gist of the article. But the bottomline, no matter what the scenario is, house will always have their money and a gambler will lose all his money when he doesn't know when to stop.

It's true. It is better to ask them what is the reason why we gamble. Some may answer that they gamble to have fun and get entertained that will cost you money and some people want to gamble to win lots of money that might get lucky to win a jackpot so we don't know for sure but for me it's for having fun.

It's such a long thread but you could summarize the whole content the next time you'll post something.
However, I tried my best reading it and I got the idea that you would want to share.
People are now making gambling as a source of living but it was originally made for entertainment. If we'll focus on it to earn and make a living, we are just risking most of our funds.

With the number of sentences you give above, of course everyone will read it if you have plenty of time for it. I just want to discuss this.


For me as a gambler, playing gambling is only for entertainment and pleasure. And other people also must be different reasons for playing judgments. If you only play games to get the jackpot it doesn't matter either. I also often do that and hope to win the jackpot. So whatever we do is the right thing to achieve that dream.

Though I could not read all the text but thank you for it for someone with lots of time will definitely read it. You talked about gambling and the mystery behind the win/loss dilemma and the role played by probability and LUCK here. I believe that it is not a very uncertain thing and experience and a wise mind could untie the knots which is evidence from the fact that there are so many people around who have made great fortune in gambling.

It depends on a certain person yet some do love to read up long stories and some do directly being tired just to see those pile of letters.I didnt tend to read up the article fully but basing on what on the topic title and few paragraph reading you would still end up on the same thoughts.
Busting casino? You can but on pure luck but if you do something fishy then expect for possible verification or holds.

In gambling there's a lot of ways to earn so better to study this how works and always control yourself everytime you risk like these are for knowledge and fun only then actually if your a skilled player you can really win because we need strategy here

Then another thing better to gamble sometimes only and use affordable always like once or twice a week

Wall of text.

We know that the house always win, and in the end you really need a lot of luck in your side to overcome all those factors. Card counting? Nah, casino operators know how to spot a card counter and they will immediately throw you outside. You can't even defend your self here, casinos are going to spot you no matter how hard you hide yourself. So it's better to get out when you are winning, no need to be greedy and target more.

No one listen to these advises because people are greedy. If they are winning they will never quit and greed for more. Addiction is another problem which make you keep on playing gambling even though you have lost many times.

The only permanent  and real  winner in gambling is the House itself.

Agree to this, casino is created as a form of entertainment. But, the problem is people are greedy and sometimes they get addicted easily in gambling. Gambling also depends on luck, the longer you play gambling the more money you lose. In the end, it is always the house that wins. Just moderate gambling and quit as early as you can.

It is possible to win in the casino but never tries to cheat the casino because if you do that, you will be kicked out by the security and they will ban you from coming to their casino.
Many people still trying to win in the gambling games but only a few people who can win with big money.
The most important to win in any gambling game is have luck, and without luck, you will only lose your money.

Yeah he has been an expert when it comes to gambling an even knows how things work out. But then again this is not enough because gambling is base on luck. No one could really win or.profit due to skills and strategy.

Anyway, fun and excitement in gambling never is always there and this is why many are joining. There was even a post here that receives 51BTC rewards after winning. So, if 51 BTC is huge for one then definitely the guy had made a good profit but he/she had risk big amount also before winning big rewards.

I absolutely agree with what's been said here. I enjoy reading good articles from time to time, but I feel whatever you've pasted here could have been edited to be much more concise than it is right now.

Also note that there are +EV games for promotion on some cryptocurrency casinos around here from time to time. These games typically aren't open for very long periods of time, but on such games it's possible to make a profit in the long run. Edge can also be very high on some casinos, especially with games like dice, so if you care about house edge you should check what it is on whatever site you're playing on.

If there is anything interesting it is worth reading, no matter how long the article is. Gambling is an expensive game which give happiness to few people only.
No matter what you try, you can beat the casino. Even if you cheat the casino, they will held your withdrawal for inspection.

Why the hell are you writing (or copy pasting) such a long thread?
Nobody is going to read that novel.
We all know that it's almost impossible to cheat a casino and it's 100% impossible to create the ultimate winning gambling strategy.Gambling is not about making money,it's about spending money(that you can afford to lose) for fun.

Is it possible to win in casino? BlackJack, myths, legends and reality.

Just imagine you are going to buy a new car and look through the theft insurance options to choose from. The car costs $100,000. The theft probability is about 0.01% per year, according to statistics. How much are you willing to pay for insurance? We’ll get back to this question a bit later.

Each casino player has got their reasons for gambling, which can be divided into several types, namely entertainment, relax, excitement and thrill, dreaming as well as winning. As for myself, I like to play games which provide a high jackpot, when each bet is a small lottery ticket, which inspires me to dream for a couple of minutes about my potential opportunities. For me it’s some kind of time purchased to “legitimately” dream about different things.

Those players, who intended to win, have used to go through a long journey, full of great ideas, experimentation, joy, frustration and ... mathematics, since only the mathematics is able to provide some reliable chances to win in gambling on long-term basis. It takes some time to realize key concepts, particularly  risk management, personal risk tolerance, simple and complex chances probability and combinatorics. as well as probability and mathematical statistics differences, Returns-to-Players (RTP), Bankroll, Risk-of-Ruin (RoR), Wagering Value (WE), House Edge (HE), Expected Value (EV) concepts.

Is it sufficient to realize and to be aware of the above in order to constantly win in gambling? Unfortunately, no.

Gambling has been there for hundreds of years. Gambling facilitators, particularly casinos, betting companies, sweepstakes and lotteries have long learned the self-protection against  possible fraud, deception and cheating as well as countering themselves from talented players, who might take an advantage of using the loopholes to win in certain game. There are lots of security methods available. Nevertheless, the first and most important one is mathematical game rules and their strict observance, as well.

That being said in a nutshell, there is no common long-term guaranteed money earning ways available in gambling.

For example, a certain way of playing some BlackJack games types is deemed the most well-known “winning strategy” in casinos among highly-experienced players. Card counting. Just few people are aware of it, but this method is highly popularized in films, books, YouTube videos, articles, guides and forums. I can definitely say that in real BlackJack it is possible to achieve player’s math advantage. In a way, not that easy, still possible.

Basic requirements are as follows:

• Offline casinos only - physical cards and their shuffling.
• 4-8 game decks and reshuffle no earlier than 6.5/8 of card pool.
• The game rules should meet the standard S17-DAS requirements (payments 1-1 in case of Push, 3-2 in case of BlackJack, split on any pair for x2, double for x2).
• The table bets range and discretization should allow a spread of 1-12+
• Total betting limits must be comparable to the target bankroll.
• Skill and some experience in any card counting system and bets management.

It worth noting that it could be quite difficult to find a real casino with tables, which completely meets the above criteria when it comes to a real play session:

• Casinos low-bets zones restrict the spread limit for bets to 1-10, for example, the minimum bet is $10 while the maximum one is $100.
• If the spread is higher, for example $1-$100, the game rules are slightly altered, for example, the payment for BlackJack is 5:4, and not 3:2, etc. Other option - it could be forbidden to split on any pair, leaving just splits on 10-J-Q-K-A, with hitting just one card after split.
• Two terrible ways - Ante for hand or players-losing in the case of Even-Push, be sure to avoid playing BlackJack in this case - this is a pure ripoff.
• One of the modern suppression methods is amount of decks in card pool increase over 8 and reshuffle at only 30-40% of the pool.

In multiple online casinos are used common rules for s in BlackJack. Therefore, for those players, whose gambling awareness  is at the level of watching movies, reading relevant books and online casinos-based experience, visiting a real casino, which provides low-bet zones BlackJack tables with modified rules and in premium + tables or VIP – rooms, where the “normal” rules are available, but require  some prerequisites, for example to be a regular or well-known visitor and to possess a certain club card level, becomes a great surprise.

But let’s assume you have got all up-to-date live casinos list, which provide normal game rules tables as well as you have a great chance to instantly teleport between them. In other words, let's say you have found a great chance to win in the casino just by finding the right game rules on the correct tables in the right casinos’ halls.

Is this enough to constantly win in gambling or casino? So, you’ve already spent about a year of training (it’s possible to learn Hi-Low True Count + Base Strategy + Bets-Management + Bets-Deviations just for a few months of daily training), you are able to play perfectly due to being aware all the gaming halls which provide the right conditions as well. Well, unfortunately, that’s still not enough.

Lots of people are sure it’s possible to earn money by playing BlackJack the professional way. Professional way currently means doing nothing else but BlackJack, while long term means now, in a month, in a year and and further. In theory it is possible, but the real life tell you otherwise, since  the chances are too small. The “long-term” part is where it all collapses. For this particular game strategy, it’s stopped by casinos in a rather simple way:

• Standard BackOff - once the dealer realizes you count the cards and he does it fast, he immediately informs about that, just in a couple of minutes, which results in the following: (a) you will be restricted from the bet change while playing BJ, or (b) you will be prohibited to play BJ at the current casino, (c) you will be asked to leave the current hall or (d) to leave the casino. No one will beat the shit out of you out in dark basement but your game will be immediately stopped for sure.
• Blocked List - most countries require to provide certain ID just to enter casino. There are both gaming companies and data trading associations. Getting BackOff/Ban in several casinos marked “BJ counter”,  100% means you will fail to get into certain casino of the same company (network), 70-90% in the same association casino as well as about 30-40% in other casinos, even if they don’t belong to the same organization or association, since the current data is actively bought and sold on a daily basis.
• CSM, a.k.a. random generator. Continuous Shuffle Machine – these days more and more casinos equip themselves with this cutting edge technology. The key aspect is it dramatically reduces Deck Penetration, the dealer just carefully takes out the cards played and then throws them into the machine after either each one or two or three hands. Full manual reshuffle is completely eliminated from the game while the required 5/8  - 6.5/8 turn into 1/90 or 1/180. Currently the advantage is unattainable, therefore it doesn’t make any sense to counting the cards.

Let’s suppose you managed to overcome all of the above:

• You have been training a complicated card-count system, not just HLTC (Hi-Low True Count) which is easy-to-notice, but for example Revere RAPC or Wong Halves for several years.
• You use your own or advanced betting and deviation to the bets system method instead of using the betting strategies, which haven’t been published everywhere and in each bets strategies brochure.
• You are incredibly enduring, sober, rational and able to apply all the current skills in deeply stressful situations with multiple distractions.
• You have found out a small sub-list of those tables, which failed to have CSM in that secret and current casinos list with appropriate and quite normal game rules, which you have got from the previous sections.
• You have an infinite valid or similar IDs reserve and/or you have learned the way to remove yourself from the counters’ registries and databases.

Is it now enough to win at the casino all the time? Hmm.. you have done quite serious work, but I still have some bad news for you. This is still not enough, although you are very close to reach your goal.

Now we’ll make a small assumption, which we’ll discuss in more detail a bit later. All the current advanced card counting and alternative deviations systems to the basic game and bets strategy will reduce Backoff chances very much, and with several additional efforts you will decrease that chances a lot. For example you will get the required 3-4 hours instead of 5-10 minutes before BackOff. It is quite hard, but possible within certain terms, which we are going to discuss a bit later. 

As you remember I mentioned mathematics and its connection with gambling at the beginning of the current post. Let’s suppose you meet all the criteria listed, namely you play blackjack perfectly on a complex bet-strategy, with all counting and deviations tricks, you have found satisfactory game rules as well as required bets tables and you have got estimated 3-4 hours of play as well. Now, you will need certain money amount for betting.

How much money do you think you need to win at the casino while playing blackjack professionally? The question is a bit philosophical and depends on multiple parameters, primarily on risk tolerance. Let’s look through a benchmark, and say your bankroll is $50,000, for example.

House Edge (HE) - in other words, the casino’s mathematical advantage is “ust 0.48%” while having normal game rules in S17-DAS Blackjack as well as perfectly executed “base strategy”. This is, by the way, the reason for such a great BJ popularity in the world. For comparison, at European roulette HE ~ 2.7%, slots got 2-5%, Baccarat has about 1.5%, while in most poker games the current indicator is about 3%. A comparable figure for most large bookmaker organizations is 1-3% to compare with.

What does House Edge mean? HE = 1% simply means the casino will earn 1% of the games turnover on average, on a large bets number. On the other mathematical abstraction hand, this means that every bet you lose average 1% of the bankroll of your money.

The current indicator is strictly mathematical and depends on the game rules s well as the strictest “basic strategy” implementation by the player within the current game rules. I guess the majority of those, being interested in BlackJack, are familiar with the current table, particularly the actions necessary to be performed while having certain dealer’s cards and hand combination, if not – just google "BlackJack basic strategy" and you’ll be immediately provided with thousands of both articles and picture-tables. And these rules are important to get your lowest HE. For example, you will immediately increase HE from 0.48% to about 0.65% if you just don’t split pairs of deuces against the dealer’s visible four, etc.

HE will be about 3% if failed to follow the basic strategy, but play common Soft-17 rule against the dealer. A real average slightly drunk player provides the casino with an estimated 5% Gross Profit per table while considering the fact that players often play even worse than Soft-17 in real casinos.

I.e. you improve your game by 10 times in comparison with the ordinary player just by being sober and fulfilling the “basic strategy”. But that is not enough. You count cards and change bids when the “deck is in your favor” - you raise bids, when “in favor of the dealer” - you drop to the minimum bet, depending on the bets-system. For this you are required to have the bets spread 1-12, mentioned at the beginning, and then you bet for example, $40, on the “neutral” deck, then decrease to $10 on the “true count minus four”, and rise to $80, on the count +4, raise above +8 and then bet $120, etc. There are a lot of betting strategies related materials available on the Internet.

What benefits does this provide you with? Perfecting the Hi-Low strategy, is able to reduce HE from 0.48% to -1.5%. Negative HE is a player’s advantage. You convert negative HE into the desired EV - Expected Value by certain deviations in both high-betting strategies and a satisfactory bankroll. Skipping some complex calculations, I can definitely say it can really reach 1-2%, depending on both certain parameters and game. Card count strategies are applicable to almost all card games types with both physical cards and decks, not just to BlackJack. BJ provides the lowest HE by default, therefore, the counting provides the most outstanding performance.

EV is about 2%. Is it much or not? It depends on (a) bankroll as well as (b) certain hands played, and as a result (c) the hands speed or amount per hour. Good casino provides on average about 100 hands at a full table per hour. If you play alone with the dealer, the amount can reach up to 300 hands.

$50,000 bankroll can be converted to about $100-125 per hour while having an average professional RoR, equal to about 2.5%, playing BJ-S17-DAS, with a reshuffle of 6.5/8 and at speed 150 hands per hour.

RoR = 2.5% will mean that you will have a probability of about 2.5% entire bankroll loss within a month if playing two game sessions every day for about four hours. Do you remember about the car insurance question at the beginning? RoR definition nature is very individual and does not fit into any system framework. There are certain psychologists works out there, related to the current subject, but they can’t be deemed scientific.

It is important to realize this is not Net Profit yet since you will still have certain expenses, namely flights, hotels, taxis, restaurants, clothes, currency exchange fees in different countries, etc. Remember the assumption about especially agreed 3-4 hours before BackOff? It is achieved in a small team only, at least two or three persons. In practice, three persons team used to play in large casinos, in those of them providing the tables, sufficiently satisfying to the terms, can hope to get a slightly larger “profit” equal to $50k bankroll, due to hands amount increase as well as several tables available during pre-count, while reaching $200+ per hour.

So, we are talking about the expected value (mathematical expectation). But this doesn’t mean getting additional $800 in your pockets every time while playing in casino for 4 hours. But your income will be approximately equal to the hours number, spent playing during each month, multiplied by the expected value (mathematical expectation) a month. It is quite complicated to provide a rate above 160 hours per month due to both fatigue as well as the need to change locations and fit into the staff shifts in casinos as well.

If you are  ready to take risks by increasing RoR, for example, from 2.5% to 5% - the income will increase linearly, although in reality it is quite hard to perform since both the tables limits and bets denomination are hard to be changed in order to fit to each player, according to their desire. Therefore, the players have to choose RoR options “available” while adapting to the game’s rules in each particular hall.

A few years of training for three people with a $50k bankroll will provide a theoretical income of the expected $200*160 hours = $ 32,000 which significant part will be used in order to organize the events, flights, transport and hotels. Certain part of funds will be reserved in new bankrolls, another part will be used to pay for contractors as well as and information intermediaries operation.

So, there will be about $15,000 left, which will be divided to pay to each of three team members while providing everyone with both about $5,000 per month as well as certain risk to lose all.

Is it worth it? I mean, Is such individual income sufficient, given both the risks, the need for team training and organization as well as difficulties? Everyone decides this himself.

That’s why I’ve mentioned “there is no common long-term guaranteed money earning ways available in gambling” at the very beginning of the current post since the scenario about the most famous winning way in wide circles - definitely not “common”, but rather “individual” here is shortly written. Besides it is not “guaranteed” because of RoR.

I should've mentioned that only few teams achieve even this result, even just formal try to do that, from all those who had wanted to and had started on this road.

So, if talking about “individual ways”, there are two players communities, who don’t give up on finding out new ways to beat casinos despite all counteractions.

The first community - “players” - amount is really huge. Lots of players are just dreaming to find out the way to win in the casino. They all are striving achieve this without making any effort. They will be happy to buy any “software”, “training”, “winning strategies”, “secrets”, thereby providing easy money both to scammers and casinos.

The second community is quite small. For example, such little-known bloggers, as DiscountGambling, which has been operating since 2009 while being engaged in learning and analyzing all card games rules found, as well as using simulations on a professional mathematical-statistical software and making HE and EV calculations for them. Some individual scientists, producing monographs on mathematics and considering the games mathematics as the scientific research subject. AskGamblers portal is deemed the largest community. Let's call them “researchers” in order to separate them from those “players”, being mentioned earlier.

Let’s ask ourselves - does it make any sense to do such a research, if there are no guarantees? Well, new casinos are being established every day, new games appear as well as new loyalty programs are being developed regularly, therefore small and almost invisible errors may be available everywhere. “Researchers” are constantly looking for them. Also there are some “errors free” methods and strategies as well, but they mostly relate to sport books and sports poker, although sports poker cannot be deemed a gambling in a since it more relates to chess than cards.

So, all the methods mentioned can be divided into the following:

• Arbitration strategies for both finding and playing sports betting, focused on the difference in odds between different bookmakers, popularly known as “forks”.
• Trading strategies on bets exchanges and totes, focused on the odds difference regarding the event both before it starts and during live.
• Sweepstake bets search and placement within certain circumstances, given the financial leverage use at the required time in order to manipulate the players expectations.
• Search for casino bonus programs “bugs”, when there is an opportunity to get certain non-deposit bonus and then to withdraw it any available way.
• Search for casino loyalty programs “bugs”, when there is certain RakeBack available, which provides a great chance to get certain advantages while playing low HE games.
• Search for math errors in new games, including card ones, first of all, when a negative HE value can be achieved while using the retired cards counting systems.
• Search for events, when some kind of promotional event is held, within which the awards amount provides certain advantage in comparison with the participation conditions, for example, BlackJack “fan-tournaments”, which imply the award amount to provide the winner with certain advantage in EV.
• Search for small lotteries (of all types, including raffle), which imply the legal advantages to be achievable due to the bets volume in comparison with other players.

It should be clearly realized the new “ways” found are not published, but are secretly exploited by those who found them, with seldom exceptions. These topics relate to both speculations and frauds, including fake stories and secrets sale to players. Well, tbh usually this is quite murky theme.

Also, I totally exclude from this review any illegal methods, like hacking, botting, abusing etc.

Mostly real methods a usually legal, but founded ways just effective before they are fixed or prohibited by developers or service organizers since all gambling services providers reserve the right to refuse the customers to be provided with their services without any explanation. Therefore, long-term stories amount is too low.

So, the conclusion here is “there are no long-term winning strategies out there”. No matter “common” or “individual”. But with a certain approach, good mathematical skills plus some experience, bankroll availability, discipline, as well as reasonable RoR acceptance and awareness of your own risks could be considered as a reasonable background and may evolve into a kind of hobby later.  That being said, “Researching” might be a way to entertain yourself , but never the method of  long-term guaranteed income.

P.S. Why all this? Because nowadays hundreds of new gambling projects appeared. With grow of interest to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, all these crypto-casinos, quasi-casinos, coin games, totes and other gambling become a new “fuel” for “researchers”. And there is some interesting stories available, and I gonna post them a bit later, just because this very first article happened to be huge and I’ve decided to split all material into several posts instead.