To stop the killings, Ukraine should surrender while West pledges for sanctions.

cmg777

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Quote from: BusinessChain on March 07, 2022, 07:15:54 PM

In my opinion there is only one way to stop the war in Ukrain immediately and effectively.
Ukraine should surrender to the Russians, but demand from the West that they pledge for sanctions agains Russia until they release Ukraine into freedom.

Not a bad opinion. Donbass and Luhansk basically handed themselves over to Putin with their rebellion against the greater government of Ukraine. All Russia seems to want is a buffer state and for Ukraine to not join NATO/EU with weapons pointed at their doorstep. However, Putin was part of the WEF and they're about depopulation and control so I don't think I can entirely trust him or most anyone anymore. Its not my fight and its too far away for me to care unless we're empire building and get a piece of the spoils.

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Quote from: BusinessChain on March 07, 2022, 07:15:54 PM

In my opinion there is only one way to stop the war in Ukrain immediately and effectively.
Ukraine should surrender to the Russians, but demand from the West that they pledge for sanctions agains Russia until they release Ukraine into freedom.

ofc but the leadsership of ukraine doesn't care, they feel embolded by the fascist woke lefts support for it.they will slaughter every single ukrainan man end women to prolong being in power they are exactly like hitler, and the UK's/american elite are backing them

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They are not going to surrender and IMO that's a good decision.
They are getting satellite intelligence from the US and know how much enemy hardware is left fighting. Those numbers look really good for Ukraine as Russia has mobilized all of the forces it had at hand before the invasion. It can send more but the numbers that were prepared were supposed to win and yet they did not even take Kiev, not to mention Lviv. Russian army is giving up and running away because the plan was to lie to the soldiers. Conscripts were told they're going on training near the border and officers were told that there's a fascist movement in Ukraine that is killing Russian natives. Time is working for Ukrainians because Russian economy is in shambles and experts say that Russia can maybe keep this war going until May and then it will go bankrupt.

There's also the feeling that they're fighting a wrongdoer. Russia is the attacker here. Russians are killing women and children, not Ukrainians. It's the Russians who are bombing schools and hospitals, stealing, shooting the press, attacking nuclear power plants and humanitarian corridors during evacuation. They are not going to give up after seeing all those acts of inhumane violence.

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Quote from: BusinessChain on March 07, 2022, 07:15:54 PM

Ukraine should surrender to the Russians, but demand from the West that they pledge for sanctions agains Russia until they release Ukraine into freedom.

Could you name a time in history when sanctions have actually done anything to effect the government of a nation? I'm sure they exist, maybe could count them on one hand. Ukraine is already gone, and once they are under the regime of Putin there is no reversing the course of action. You can sanction Russia all you want, you just weaken USD in the process and embolden the Russian government to conduct even more commerce with China.

If Zelenskyy wanted to surrender, he might have considered that before thousands of citizens were slaughtered and before major Ukrainian cities were bombed into rubble. Russia are the initial aggressors and they deserve condemnation, but as I've long said, the West does not care about Ukraine enough to support them, and whatever fighter jets and ammunitions that might be sent by the West will not result in the Ukrainians taking back their country. That isn't the goal anymore, they just want to go down fighting. I don't blame them.

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It's too late to surrender. Russia has destroyed Ukraine. Thousands of Ukrainians have lost their lives. Russian demands to withdraw from Ukraine are very costly, Ukraine should not agree. The only challenge now is to move civilians out of Ukraine. Immediately Ukraine achieve it, it would be fight to finish.

NATO should supply more war jets and anti- aircraft machine guns. More mercenaries should be recruited and Ukraine would become offensive.
In no time Russian force will withdraw and Ukraine would will this war.

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Surrendering will stop the war but it will be difficult for Ukraine to surrender. when critically observed, one will notice that the Ukrainian forces are doing surprisingly well having defected the initial attacks from Russians and still resisting their advances. Zelenskky in his speech stated that he invasion is groundless and cynical and that their nation has been determining its destiny since 1991. He went on to say that things are going on well and there is no need to panic. This show that they are still standing strong and it will be difficult to surrender.

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It doesn't solve anything really. They'd just agree to all the terms and then what? Any Russian authoritarian state would want Ukraine annexed. Some people keep saying that Russia already have a border with anyway but no, Ukraine is different. It's the gateway to Moscow, by capturing it Russia gains a lot of strategic advantage.

For now Russia is only asking that the Donbas be allowed to secede but you can bet it'll do it all over again until it has gotten all of Ukraine.

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Quote from: BusinessChain on March 07, 2022, 07:15:54 PM

In my opinion there is only one way to stop the war in Ukrain immediately and effectively.
Ukraine should surrender to the Russians, but demand from the West that they pledge for sanctions agains Russia until they release Ukraine into freedom.

That is not possible because once Ukraine give up and surrender, it means they are no more independent and the sanction you mention will be unnecessary again, you have to understand this thing we call right and freedom, its been said that "free is not given, it is taken". The only solution is either for Russia to end the war it started or Ukraine should maintain its persistent not to give and fight to the end, that is free and peace, one of the ways we solve problems is through engaging in war and after then comes peace, you don't runaway from challenges bit you rather solve them.

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In my opinion there is only one way to stop the war in Ukrain immediately and effectively.
Ukraine should surrender to the Russians, but demand from the West that they pledge for sanctions agains Russia until they release Ukraine into freedom.

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