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Quote from: gabmen on November 29, 2018, 11:18:07 AM

Funny how low a bullish point has become now lol. Just a month ago we're all steady around 6.5k and not a lot of people are bullish at that point. Well it seems that we're just going to stay afloat around the 4k area for a little while now.

If it can hold over 4k for at least 5 days or a week, you can start considering a bullish run. It's very unlikely for that to happen, and in my opinion this is probably the best time to sell your btc if you still have some, wait for the next dip which is going to break the 3.400$ support, (speculation) and buy back in whenever you feel comfortable with it.

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Quote from: STT on November 29, 2018, 08:57:13 AM

Thats why it rises yea, probably. Alot of people see the price get to this 4100 area or so and it builds because its reasonable risk reward to take onboard or take back what was sold. As a market effect that becomes bullish. I called out this area as significant back in August or so, I cant say I know how it'll react or that I'm a perfect judge but the significance was found there and at 3600 obviously. Staying above 4200 is bullish

Funny how low a bullish point has become now lol. Just a month ago we're all steady around 6.5k and not a lot of people are bullish at that point. Well it seems that we're just going to stay afloat around the 4k area for a little while now.

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Thats why it rises yea, probably. Alot of people see the price get to this 4100 area or so and it builds because its reasonable risk reward to take onboard or take back what was sold. As a market effect that becomes bullish. I called out this area as significant back in August or so, I cant say I know how it'll react or that I'm a perfect judge but the significance was found there and at 3600 obviously. Staying above 4200 is bullish

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Quote from: el kaka22 on November 29, 2018, 07:18:36 AM

I do not believe it so, I think it will be either $100k or it will be $10. Either it will be the biggest thing since computers and it will be so high that anyone who has invested right now will be millionaires with some billionaires in altcoins as well or it will be destroyed and non existent. In either case there is no "staying same" for bitcoin.

This isn't 2012/2013 anymore where there are two options to choose from. It's clear that we are heading upwards without there being much to stop this progress. Most of the financial instruments are being built around Bitcoin, LN is constantly growing, more of the traditional elite are willing to convert at least 1% of their worth to Bitcoin, etc.

The weakest aspect of this industry are the exchanges themselves, and then mainly how shady and unprofessional they are. As time goes by, wall street level of exchanges will pop up, and that's when you effectively counter the lack of liquidity, and thus the severe price movements we experience right now.

Even if you say it will either be worth $100,000 or an amount closer to $0, doesn't that make a $4000 initial investment a great entry point in terms of risk>reward? Your risk is $4000 but your reward is x25 if you hold through.

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And today is reality, bitcoin over $4k again. This is bitcoin we are talking about, in its nature the price is volatile, it has always been. For the past 10 years bitcoin price did 3 things constantly without any change; it went up like crazy, afterwards went down like crazy, afterwards stayed the same and repeated the circle.

Hence, when you see the price hitting as low as $3.6k you should know that it is not a big shock or a surprise and it doesn't mean it will not go up again. Lets say 10 years from now, do you really expect the price to be anywhere near this price ?

Do you really think it will be around $4k in 10 years? I do not believe it so, I think it will be either $100k or it will be $10. Either it will be the biggest thing since computers and it will be so high that anyone who has invested right now will be millionaires with some billionaires in altcoins as well or it will be destroyed and non existent. In either case there is no "staying same" for bitcoin.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 27, 2018, 01:49:36 PM

Don't forget, this was also a day in last year's reality. Will probably be a reality for other days. All footnotes in the greater scheme of things, all individual cogs at every cent increment towards an eventual charge.

Quote from: rodalutor on November 27, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

I wasn't expecting yesterday's bounce either. The last time I was fortunate enough to be present prior to the ascent, no one dared to think Bitcoin might recover it's 2014 ATH except in the most hush of tones. So yeah, far too much optimism left. It's when the stragglers in positivism are out that a proper recovery and rise is on the cards.

I didn't think so either based on the sentiment in the market but others have made a good point about how oversold we are. Especially given how stable the price was for most of this year.

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Quote from: rodalutor on November 27, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

I'm not trying to poke fun at you, but making a prediction like that (basically "bitcoin will oscillate much like it's been doing for the past few days") is fairly useless. You're probably right, but all you're saying is that bitcoin could go up or down and that's DERP.

I should have been more specific in that in saying that I expected a movement to either of those levels and then stability for a few days, rather than it going to either and then returning or continuing through those levels.

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This current price is still a surprise to me and that is the reason why i have to hold and not trading for now. I have been bullish and I believe that bitcoin is undervalued and I still believed that bitcoin did not need to be were it is today. I decided to trade bitcoin because of the ways it was growing last year.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 29, 2018, 12:41:40 AM

there is no difference between manipulations. there is the same powers at work and their control over the market is always the same and is decreasing as the market grows bigger.
also the chance that price may fall lower doesn't mean we aren't in a reverse bubble. bitcoin's true value is not $3k-$4k. it is a lot higher than this and it is kept down. and if you are agreeing that the market is "heavily manipulated" then you can not disagree with it being in a reverse bubble. they mean the same thing.

I'm not saying btc isn't bullish in the long term, the last year has proven the amount of interest it can get. But there's probably still a discount on the price coming ahead. I just hope it doesn't take too long to recover from it.

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It is good to invest now that is reality because price for sure will up but we need to watch first the movement of the bitcoin if the price is chance to increase or they have chance to decrease more. But better to have bitcoin now incase that price increase you still have bitcoin and you earn money.

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Quote from: rodalutor on November 27, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

Hopefully it bounce back up, though you're probably right. It might still go down to $3200. I just hope it won't go lower than $3000. We are almost at the end of 2018, why can't we have a happy holidays by giving us higher bitcoin price? Even a small bump in the price would be better than see it go down more and more. Sad

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 27, 2018, 11:15:19 PM

it is a good time to enter not a perfect time.
it is good only because price is much lower than the support which was the actual bottom and in my opinion we are currently in a reverse bubble which makes investment a wise choice.
but i'd say it is not a perfect time because the market is still manipulated and it can take a long time to recover while we don't know how long they can keep the dumping up.

Wishful thinking that this is a reverse bubble. We definitely havent hit bottom ground yet. The BCH hashwars may be over, but its definitely not going to be a surprise to expect some fucking weird news soon. I cant say what it is because I have no fucking clue what Craig Wright or any other big names are thinking, but like you said, the market is being heavily manipulated right now, but this time its different : because its not done using money, but well placed FUD.

there is no difference between manipulations. there is the same powers at work and their control over the market is always the same and is decreasing as the market grows bigger.
also the chance that price may fall lower doesn't mean we aren't in a reverse bubble. bitcoin's true value is not $3k-$4k. it is a lot higher than this and it is kept down. and if you are agreeing that the market is "heavily manipulated" then you can not disagree with it being in a reverse bubble. they mean the same thing.

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Its relatively bullish looking to me since 3600. I'll actually just watch this point here on my chart, which is the 8 day average and a fib level

So 4100 on bitstamp, its not quite the breakdown area of 24th Nov. That slight change of price might fool a few people into being short when the price got attracted to this moving average. To be more negative I'll see how it reacts here I think

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Update on the bounce: I think we are still in good standing, we got some dumping but we are bouncing on the 5 day moving average already on the 4h chart which I think is an important one for bitcoin. Unless we have another couple of disastrous days I would personally consider the current low as the bottom for this year.

Next year we'll have a lower price, I think there's still room for some more pain before the final bottom is set. Around $2.9k would be a good area, $1.3k still not out of the picture.

Of course fundamentals are king and if Bakkt turns out to be a quick success with a lot of demand, since its btc settled we'll quickly go up.

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Quote from: Indamuck on November 28, 2018, 11:28:24 AM

Some people are still scared to buy in at these levels but I'm taking advantage of this opportunity. We may never get the chance to buy bitcoin at these levels ever again. The main reason BTC even dropped below the 6k support was because of the BCH hash wars.

I know Warren Buffet is against cryptocurrency but his advice of "Buy when there is blood in the streets" holds true.

Yeah a lot of people are scared to buy because they don't know the situation in the market, for now its a perfect time to buy, the price is cheap and the potential to bounce back is really high, once the hash war is finished then the price will rise back, maybe there wont be any second chance to buy bitcoin at this low rate, so you need to take this opportunity

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Quote from: Adriano2010 on November 28, 2018, 06:05:57 PM

Was a good time for who want to get some cheap bitcoin. Now i think is still a low price, and i will get more coins before bull run start, and hold what i already have, even if i need to wait more than 6 months or more than 1 year.

so you will wait 6 months - 1 year? it looks like you have to wait a little longer, because bitcoin won't recover in a short time. maybe you have to wait 2-3 years.

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Today's reality is tomorrow's shadow. Everything will go well and I think we will quickly return to 6000$ price range, it wouldn't fall below 2000 because it would really be a fatal, I think the fact that bitcoin ended up positively today means a lot, it's still very early to say anything but as I situation always goins in a very positive way, this coin is really amazing.

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Was a good time for who want to get some cheap bitcoin. Now i think is still a low price, and i will get more coins before bull run start, and hold what i already have, even if i need to wait more than 6 months or more than 1 year.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 27, 2018, 11:15:19 PM

Quote from: bintangkejoraku on November 27, 2018, 05:34:38 PM

this is the perfect time to invest, you will get double profits in the next 2-3 years. very lucky for those who have funds so they can invest.

it is a good time to enter not a perfect time.
it is good only because price is much lower than the support which was the actual bottom and in my opinion we are currently in a reverse bubble which makes investment a wise choice.
but i'd say it is not a perfect time because the market is still manipulated and it can take a long time to recover while we don't know how long they can keep the dumping up.

Thank you for the advice, but I see this is a very good moment to buy. honestly I am very difficult to determine the lowest price and the best time to buy. I will wait until this dump ends and I will buy.

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Some people are still scared to buy in at these levels but I'm taking advantage of this opportunity. We may never get the chance to buy bitcoin at these levels ever again. The main reason BTC even dropped below the 6k support was because of the BCH hash wars.

I know Warren Buffet is against cryptocurrency but his advice of "Buy when there is blood in the streets" holds true.

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The bounce that I was expecting a couple of messages before continues, and it broke $4123 which was an interesting ceiling there. Let's see if we can get to $5000. I still believe on this next pump those that haven't sold yet will do so because they are panicking internally, and are just looking to sell at a big a bounceback. Once these are weeded out we may retest last ATH for a double and last final bottom or make another lower low. But all in all we are close to bottoming given past % crashes. The typical cycle of bitcoin should end soon. I believe Q1 2019 could be it, then we start creeping back up.

If there is no sale on this bounceback then we may have an extended bullrun.. FOMO is very big on bitcoin. People switch mentality from "it's dead" to FOMO very quickly here.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 27, 2018, 11:15:19 PM

it is a good time to enter not a perfect time.
it is good only because price is much lower than the support which was the actual bottom and in my opinion we are currently in a reverse bubble which makes investment a wise choice.
but i'd say it is not a perfect time because the market is still manipulated and it can take a long time to recover while we don't know how long they can keep the dumping up.

Wishful thinking that this is a reverse bubble. We definitely havent hit bottom ground yet. The BCH hashwars may be over, but its definitely not going to be a surprise to expect some fucking weird news soon. I cant say what it is because I have no fucking clue what Craig Wright or any other big names are thinking, but like you said, the market is being heavily manipulated right now, but this time its different : because its not done using money, but well placed FUD.

Craig Wright will end up dead if he keeps playing around with people's money, same for Ver by breaking mining contracts. Not smart to mess up with bitcoin whales for a long time. But I think he is less relevant than most people think. He basically gave up on trying to reorg the BCHABC chain, didn't admit that they ran out of money but that's how Calvin Ayre's press release sounded like to me.

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Quote from: pooya87 on November 27, 2018, 11:15:19 PM

it is a good time to enter not a perfect time.
it is good only because price is much lower than the support which was the actual bottom and in my opinion we are currently in a reverse bubble which makes investment a wise choice.
but i'd say it is not a perfect time because the market is still manipulated and it can take a long time to recover while we don't know how long they can keep the dumping up.

Wishful thinking that this is a reverse bubble. We definitely havent hit bottom ground yet. The BCH hashwars may be over, but its definitely not going to be a surprise to expect some fucking weird news soon. I cant say what it is because I have no fucking clue what Craig Wright or any other big names are thinking, but like you said, the market is being heavily manipulated right now, but this time its different : because its not done using money, but well placed FUD.

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well, it's a pretty hard time to see the price of bitcoin below the price of $ 4000. however, for now, the price of bitcoin is back to the price of $ 4000. well, even though in reality it's thin to return to a price below $ 4000, but it seems that today the development of bitcoin is showing a pretty good thing.

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Quote from: bintangkejoraku on November 27, 2018, 05:34:38 PM

this is the perfect time to invest, you will get double profits in the next 2-3 years. very lucky for those who have funds so they can invest.

it is a good time to enter not a perfect time.
it is good only because price is much lower than the support which was the actual bottom and in my opinion we are currently in a reverse bubble which makes investment a wise choice.
but i'd say it is not a perfect time because the market is still manipulated and it can take a long time to recover while we don't know how long they can keep the dumping up.

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this is the perfect time to invest, you will get double profits in the next 2-3 years. very lucky for those who have funds so they can invest.

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Quote from: rodalutor on November 27, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

I'm not trying to poke fun at you, but making a prediction like that (basically "bitcoin will oscillate much like it's been doing for the past few days") is fairly useless. You're probably right, but all you're saying is that bitcoin could go up or down and that's DERP.

Quote from: Wilhelm on November 27, 2018, 05:57:09 AM

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I'm going to agree wholeheartedly with you on this one. Not that my crystal ball is functioning, but I think even if bitcoin were to drop lower in the short term, it's going to rebound to $4000 and beyond in the not-too-distant future. That's just a guess, however, but it's worth the same as anyone else's guess.

Quote from: figmentofmyass on November 27, 2018, 04:51:47 PM

we didn't tag any major support zone or long term MA, and we didn't see a typical V bottom yet. i think we still need to shake out some bulls before the bottom is in.

Bah!! A pox upon your technical analysis (all in good fun, of course). Nobody can call bottoms with a straight face. That won't stop them from trying, and some might be correct, but it's all guesswork. I think now is a good time to buy.

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I will wait a little longer and I will buy bitcoin at a low price, I am fortunate not to buy bitcoin at the price of $ 6k. many people are trapped in that price Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Wilhelm on November 27, 2018, 05:57:09 AM

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is it really?

it's obviously much better than the $6000s. but it's hard to call this the bottom. we didn't tag any major support zone or long term MA, and we didn't see a typical V bottom yet. i think we still need to shake out some bulls before the bottom is in.

that's the trouble with the old "buy the dip!" adage: which dip? this thing could still drop another 40-50% from here IMO.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 27, 2018, 01:49:36 PM

Don't forget, this was also a day in last year's reality. Will probably be a reality for other days. All footnotes in the greater scheme of things, all individual cogs at every cent increment towards an eventual charge.

Quote from: rodalutor on November 27, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

I wasn't expecting yesterday's bounce either. The last time I was fortunate enough to be present prior to the ascent, no one dared to think Bitcoin might recover it's 2014 ATH except in the most hush of tones. So yeah, far too much optimism left. It's when the stragglers in positivism are out that a proper recovery and rise is on the cards.

I think yesterday's bounce was rather predictable. We were reaching stupid amounts of oversale. I mean just look at the graph, all these massive red candles had to take a break. I think there's room for a move to the upside towards $5000 or so, then the people that are still on the verge of dumping will dump there, so we will go lower then that will be when we bottom. How long this could take who knows. Anyone with a brain must be ready for another year of "bitcoin is dead" where nothing happens (see 2015-2016 period) and there will be all the OTC smart money buying like crazy while no one knows since the volume on exchanges isn't changed by their big ass wallets.

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Don't forget, this was also a day in last year's reality. Will probably be a reality for other days. All footnotes in the greater scheme of things, all individual cogs at every cent increment towards an eventual charge.

Quote from: rodalutor on November 27, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

I wasn't expecting yesterday's bounce either. The last time I was fortunate enough to be present prior to the ascent, no one dared to think Bitcoin might recover it's 2014 ATH except in the most hush of tones. So yeah, far too much optimism left. It's when the stragglers in positivism are out that a proper recovery and rise is on the cards.

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Expect a move in the next day or two, either down to $3200-$3300 or bouncing back to $4000-$4200. Probably the former because there's still far too much optimism around, for that reason I'm not convinced we've reached a bottom.

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