Topic: Tomatocage is trust abuser/lier (Read 4069 times)

You should quote his post  , I thought you were referring to Tomatocage (however I'm sorry).

Talking about OP who made this thread -_-

Maybe you are wrong, Tomatocage has not left you a negative trust. Maybe try to check again .

I don't get why you gave me negative trust?
I never dealed with you nor i don't even know who you are.

Yeah thanks... am good with trades and all
Just this Trust thing was confusing me since i didn't had defaultrust , now i changed my settings to defaulttrust and all is good

Trusted feedback needs to be done by trusted members to be valuable feedback. You have to consider the experience of the member too : if he is an hero with positive feedback or a Senior Member that is doing a lot of trades and their password have not been changed recently (you see that on his trust rating page) you can quite safely send first up to 0.3.
For bigger trades, use an escrow or make multiple trades of 0.3

Yes actually i was busy since i joined so haven't been looking into all this, had a trade with a guy in start and thus added him in trusted feedback, Just got to know all about it , i can actually see the world better now

The system helps make good decisions, you can see how left the trust rating so if it's newbies and unknown traders you take it into account.

Thanks man! got it right now



Yeah... you're certainly right about that all

Here's how it works:

When someone scams another person, the victim can make themselves feel better by leaving the scammer Negative trust.

That forces the scammer to make or buy a new account for their next scam.  It's harsh, but fair.

To better their scamming abilities, creative scammers can make multiple accounts and give themselves Positive trust.

This is all highly ironic because if a reliable trust system was possible, we wouldn't need Bitcoin (which ingeniously replaced the unworkable, Byzantine trust schemes with proof of work).

Go here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Check who is in your trust list. Put in only DefaultTrust to see the default setting that most people see, though I don't recommend using that and recommend adding/removing people who leave accurate/inaccurate feedback.

I am still noob to Trust thing.
First

Why can't i see his profile like this , it didn't appeared red flagged to me untill i gave him neg rep , and even now it just shows
   -6: -1 / +0(0)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

how exactly does this Trust works ?

I don't have any specific examples, however any time you leave negative feedback for someone you are essentially putting your reputation the line that your feedback is correct (yes you can remove it later and apologize however if you have to do this enough then people will not trust you in the first place).

I don't think it can be used to aid scams. Negative feedbacks are weighed more heavily then positive feedbacks.

Is there evidence the Popularity Rating System prevents scams?

OTOH, I can see how it could easily be (ab)used to aid them.  

The reason for this is to warn others when one person scams several people all at once and to prevent others from being scammed in the near future. For example if someone who is trusted were to scam 5 people all at once then they would potentially still have a net positive trust feedback  if all negatives were weighed equally, on the other hand under the current system scamming 5 people all at roughly the same time will result in a score of roughly 600 less then their previous trust score (pre scam).

Oh, how nice.  A mob mentality pile-on effect.  Exactly like the angry bee pheromone.

http://www.nzbees.net/forum/threads/can-you-smell-the-angry-bee-pheromone.1967/

Can we please be more accurate and change the name from Trust Rating to Popularity?

WTF! what an asshole , i just saw it now , this guy gave me feedback as Scammer , with reference to this Thread
And i don't even know what is going on here.
I think he thought neg rep is good thing and started giving everyone free neg rep...  [Not funny]

Ok I see that. You cannot please everyone, can you?

Nice another free neg rep wth is going on here with this guy?

At this point, his proof doesn't matter.  He's just going around giving people negative feedback and falsely accusing others of being scammers for either no good reason or no reason at all.

I had a good experience with tomatocage, could you show a proof that he admitted that he made a mistake? You just show a post where he says he will not remove his negative trust ratings. Thanks.

It seems a lot more bitcointalk members are not convinced by V Kodoff's actions and behaviour since its deserved -ve trust increased quite a lot.


Don't bother too much about it. I think however, if you received a false rating from him, you should be entitled to leave it back an equivalent -ve trust feedback. As Welsh said: don't worry! You can ignore it since his account is totally FUBAR and carries no weight what so ever. Do you think anyone here is willing to take him seriously again?

He did the same to me. I think he just randomly rated us. An diot

Why is my trust feedback have you saying scammer, with this link in the reference? How am i involved?

Don't worry his account carries no weight what so ever, no one will ever take him seriously again. You can simply ignore it. Judging by his responses he can't take criticism very well and being told when he's wrong.

My conclusion: the OP is 12. Actually, I think he's 5. Nope, I could actually spell properly when I was 5,so your definitely not 5. I don't even use the slang that you use and refrain from using the word "nigger". I'm pretty sure that's derogatory. Anyway  I hope your trust isn't removed.

Hi, I am reading this tread because I was rated negative by OP.  Have never had deal with him, he gave this tread refference as a reason.

@OP

TomatoeCage is one of the more trustworthy people on this forum.


I am highly suspecting you are an idiot.



~BCX~

The reason for it is because if someone scams a lot of people at once they will show up as very untrusted so they will not be able to scam others

Learn something new everyday! Thanks for explaining that to me, quickseller.

When someone gets a lot of negative trust at one time the weight to additional negative trust ratings is increased.

Not sure how, but I somehow managed to make V Kodoff's trust go from -10 to -1263. Either way, well deserved.

tomatocage is fairer than most especially vod.

Well, V. Kodoff decided to leave me some feedback:


I love how you linked reference to this thread 

I'm on default trust at depth=2, so...ouch?

Dear OP: It's spelled "liar"...

I'm the joint.  Hi.


It's always ironic when someone makes a mistake at the same time they're calling others stupid, wouldn't you agree?


I joined this forum in 2011, sir.

I think this post is going to prove beyond a doubt that you are right in this case

/s

And who the fuck are you poor ass nigger?
Google me and you will understand with who the fuck you are talking with you autist fuck.
When you want to talk with me,firstly talk with sir you begging starving poor ass nigger

Oh, that's much better.  Who are you?


That's a low standard for proof.


Have you dealt with Bitcoin?


Obviously.  Again, who are you?


Did you satisfy the concerns of your potential customers?  Obviously not.


And none of us want to be the first.


That's not very reassuring.  Sounds like you didn't learn your lesson the first two times, so why should we assume your security practices have changed with respect to your BTCtalk account?


Stemming from the last point, how can I even know that you're the rightful owner of that BTCtalk account?


You can refuse them, but I think you'll find that the community hasn't been uniquely inconsiderate to you.  Any new account demanding blind trust will get a similar response (I say "blind trust" because your outside feedback in no way constitutes proof of honesty).


Feedback can be bought on the cheap.


Unless, of course, you bought it.


You may be an impersonator.  I refer you back to your poor security practices.


If it's false, then that sucks, and it's unfortunate your reputation is being smeared unjustly.  I would recommend that you consider how to adapt to the ocean you swim in rather than trying to change the ocean itself.


I covered the Trendon Shavers ponzi story, which is transparent.  You send first (do you trust me now?).


Easily.  Actually, people sell outside feedback from this forum.


I must be a brainwashed idiot.


I remember a month or two ago someone on this forum was severely framed for openly stating he was looking to conduct micro-trades with the sole intention of building positive feedback.  I'm sure it wasn't the only time that's happened around here.


You may be trusted to those who know you.  We don't.  Again, who are you?


And that's why you care about the opinions of a select, cancerous few, right?


Scammers aren't banned here.  I can't speak for others, but I assume that I can think and be responsible for myself.  There's also an "ignore" button.


Yes, I agree some abuse the trust system, though what I consider abusive someone else may not.  It's also known that accounts are bought and sold here.  Again, I can think for myself.  All you're experiencing are the opinions of a few individuals who have independently decided that your proof of honesty is missing.


Clever.


Statements are often best expressed within paragraphs.


How many different people are you addressing?


That's clearly what happened.


Sike!


Einhorn and Finkle...Finkle and Einhorn.


Well, this was amusing.

Your aggressive nature isn't going to help you. It's all good saying this, but you need to back it up with evidence. Otherwise, your not going to be taking seriously. I don't know how you claim that you are more trusted than TomatoCage, here at this forum I would like to think TomatoCage is much more trusted than you are here, and that's all that matters. No one wants to know what you've done on other websites or outside of the Bitcoin world. But, if you are going to provide evidence that you are trusted from other sources, provide evidence.

What puzzles me is your claim that TomatoCage is the one abusing is powers, when you were
buying negative trust to be put on his profile: Buying negative trust thread

Looking for a loan of 12-15 btc and offering Counter strike skins as collateral? Loan request I can see why people were sceptical of that. Even if it is worth up to $10k.

Firstly,i have no reason to use you as escrow,consider you are 1000x less trusted than me.
Secondly,i linked you with 15,000+ of my feedback which clearly enough prove who i'm.
Have you dealed with mmorpg gold ? I don't think so.
Do u know i have 10+ active impersonators everyday trying to steal my custumers? Obviously not
Did u check even a single report agaisnt my name found by "google" obviously not.
There is not even 1 single person scammed by me.
My skypes was hacked back in 2011-2013 3 times,and hackers took 30,000$+ from my custumers which i paid from my pocket.
That makes me scammer right?
Is there any rule which i don't know about the escrows? I can't refuse them? Because since ages people got free will and choice.
You are an idiot and you know it.
I link you to my feedback,i have more than 10,000$ In donor ranks only
Not a single banned account or standar report against our company with proofs. (Because obviously we are not scammers)
All you can find in google is people scammed from impersonators of me.
Nice try posting and abusing the trust system with false information.
I have done more than 5 million usd in trades which are transperent.
How come feedback from off-site can be bough? (I read that kind of statement)
if u haven't hear about sythe,powerbot,tribot,playerauctions and you still state this,then you are brainwashed idiot.
Paying,asking or anything else than receiving feedback for existing trade =  ban.
Next time when you point someone MORE TRUSTED THAN YOU with bad names,learn ur lesson.
The reason i'm saying the 30$ account i can buy is,to prove you what cancer community is this.
The places/forums i'm using,will always ban that kind of accounts and that kind of activity.
People here do abuse trust system and buying accounts,and the admins allow that. Which is big red flag for every single scammer.
That's why bitcointalk is full with retarded americunts with no brain.
Putting statements before checks and over-react.
And i see you moved my thread,which i will also create again in the right place.
Next time when you want to state something,do research before you make urself look more retarded.
And the off-site forums i use,worth more than your life,they are much more famous and better than this place.
Because there we ban the scammers and the suspicious activity in less than day.
And i don't see banned scammers here and fake liars like you.

I also can vouch for Tomatocage , he is an honest person and obviously an helpful user for the community.

Thanks guys. For further clarity about V.Kodoff, he was in talks with with a newbie user who was selling some BTC. The newbie actually did some homework and sent me his coins to hold in escrow pending him finding a buyer for them, and that's when he and V.Kodoff began negotiations. The newbie seller had to create a brand-new Skype account at V.Kodoff's behest and V.Kodoff was the only one to know of the newbie's Skype name. The newbie informed me that he was immediately contacted by "live:arcusgoldsales" on Skype, at which point I looked it up and found quite a few scam accusations, so I advised him not to do business with V.Kodoff. So that, combined with the fact that he steadfastly refused to use escrow and insisted that the seller send the Bitcoins first pretty much drove the last nail into the coffin.

Were you expecting a post like this to help?

Outside rep can be bought and proves nothing.

Tomatocage has prevented many scams from coming to fruition.  There are many others like him, but he's one of the best.  Bite the bullet and play by the decentralized rules of this evolving community and you can demonstrate over time that you can be trusted, perhaps to the point that you can demand up-front payment (as I do) without being labeled a scammer.  I've been doing successful deals on here since 2011 and I still find myself coming under the microscope.  And that's fine by me.  We police ourselves to a large extent, and it works.

No, he's absolutely certain about a lot of things, that's the problem.

TomatoCage is one of the users who actively prune his trust list, he's normally quite fair and doesn't jump the gun like a lot of others who play a similar role as a scam buster. He's probably the most understanding too. I'd bet a fair amount of money that Tomatocage is right about his claim, or if he is wrong he will withdraw it.



He's confused about a lot of things.

I think TECSHARE is confused as to what AIDS is.

Gender: Female. Guilty  .


Wrong. This forum doesn't have cancer but actually has AIDS:

I can vouch that tomatocage is very fair. If you have a valid arguement then he will remove his rating. If you are refusing escrow then you are 99.9% scamming (there is a very small chance you are not but I doubt it). Even the most trusted members of the forum are willing to use escrow.

Your trade with caution is likely permanent due to your attempt to purchase negative trust.

No, dipshit. The reason why you were flagged with negative trust is because you're a scammer, period. I gave you the benefit of the doubt once, and you blew it. You refused to use escrow and insisted that the buyer send first, and that's the reason why you have negative rep, and I advised him to NOT do business with you. Your live:arcusgoldsales Skype account comes up with multiple scam hits on Google and you're trying to play it off like "oh my Skype account got hacked 3 times", seriously?


So you pretty much admit you're scamming then. Thanks for the clarification.

1. where is the so called feedbacks off site?
2. Proof that tomatocage realize his mistake?all i see in there is TC refuse to take off your red rep
3. I believe TomatoCage judgement, he is fairer than most of them on default trust

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tomatocage-37522

This kid is totaly retarded
After i show him how many feedback offsite i got offsite to realize his mistake,he still continue to fake lies and abusing the trust system.
If the moderators/escrows are as him,this community/forum is cancer.
He realized that he did mistake,and obviously i'n not only not a scammer but more trusted than him,he blocked the messages i can send to him.
He realize he did mistake but still don't want to remove it abusing the trusted system.
People like you is cancer to all online trading
How come escrows start lying and posting negative feedback randomly and abusing the trust system?
You know what carma is right? you will end someday poor and useless glassed fat scum begging for food in the street oneday
And i will still continue to be more trusted and 10000x more rich than you
Lets everyone see what a retarded cunt you are,accepting your mistake but still abusing the trust level.
Moderatos here are shits to trust you and to accept you as escrow consider you are lier.
http://i.imgur.com/b64nsBo.png

P.S: Its not like i can't buy account for less than 30 dollars and continue my shits.But i don't like lying faggots like you.
Lets everyone see what escrow bitcointalk got and how he lying around