Too much uncertanity here it got be more sure here what i say

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on January 24, 2023, 05:49:08 PM

There will be a time when we all know that its going to be a bit more certain where we are going. Right now it looks like its going up, and plenty of people think that it will go up, but there are still some people who thinks that it may not end up going further, and that is why I believe that we shouldn't be entirely certain for now. But I do believe that it looks like a brighter future, even if it doesn't go up directly, it did show some promise on what could happen, and that's a good thing. I hope that we will go higher and do better, it may not happen quickly but it could happen eventually and its looking more possible every day.

Just put up into your mind that it wont be always a smooth sail ride unless if there's some fomo and that bull run just like on what happened in the past but seeing these things could only happen on point which
there's no way that you could be able to tell on where it would be going.Uncertainties and doubts is normal because we've seen on how it behaves on which you might be seeing some green candles
but since you are aware then you cant really be that make yourself happy on seeing some increase because you are already that anticipating for some dump or correction
which do actually happens.

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There will be a time when we all know that its going to be a bit more certain where we are going. Right now it looks like its going up, and plenty of people think that it will go up, but there are still some people who thinks that it may not end up going further, and that is why I believe that we shouldn't be entirely certain for now. But I do believe that it looks like a brighter future, even if it doesn't go up directly, it did show some promise on what could happen, and that's a good thing. I hope that we will go higher and do better, it may not happen quickly but it could happen eventually and its looking more possible every day.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 24, 2023, 04:24:51 PM

We have our own choices when it comes to investments.
But if in any case, the OP did really buy btc when he posted this thread,
he is already earning profits if he will sell it today. So lucky for him if he followed what he was preaching.
And yes, when it comes to your own preferences, just follow what you think is best for your portfolio.
Anyone can suggest what you need to do, but at the end of the day, it is still your own choosing of path.

Really for investment everyone knows exactly what is their target in any investment, i think that op is biase over the investment base on its statement or community, so in this scenario what op actually need is encouragement from people or it take it's decision, because i know quite well that the decision of any investor supercedes any other person Ideas, because the decision can it to a grater height or positivity via the investment calculation.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on January 12, 2023, 08:31:50 AM

You can't tell people here what to do, since we have our own decisions to make, because we have our own lives, own problems, and different financial status in life. If you can't make profits on your own in this kind of market, that's your own problem to solve, not tell people to do what you want to help you in your current situation. Once you entered the blockchain, you are on your own journey, be mature to accept what's gonna happen and what already happened, learn from it.

Actually you sounds right because the journey of crypto sphere is diver's, so what give people the room to become successful in cryptocurrency is the ability of research continuity in the crypto industry. Actually what lands some people into negative impact of investment is lack of information and lack of understanding, and when some people venture into the negativities impact in cryptocurrency investment they will began to inculcate it to other people, in their thoughts or anyway they feel like. In conclusion, investment have plans and also have a strategies someone will apply before it will Excel.

We have our own choices when it comes to investments.
But if in any case, the OP did really buy btc when he posted this thread,
he is already earning profits if he will sell it today. So lucky for him if he followed what he was preaching.
And yes, when it comes to your own preferences, just follow what you think is best for your portfolio.
Anyone can suggest what you need to do, but at the end of the day, it is still your own choosing of path.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on January 12, 2023, 08:31:50 AM

You can't tell people here what to do, since we have our own decisions to make, because we have our own lives, own problems, and different financial status in life. If you can't make profits on your own in this kind of market, that's your own problem to solve, not tell people to do what you want to help you in your current situation. Once you entered the blockchain, you are on your own journey, be mature to accept what's gonna happen and what already happened, learn from it.

Actually you sounds right because the journey of crypto sphere is diver's, so what give people the room to become successful in cryptocurrency is the ability of research continuity in the crypto industry. Actually what lands some people into negative impact of investment is lack of information and lack of understanding, and when some people venture into the negativities impact in cryptocurrency investment they will began to inculcate it to other people, in their thoughts or anyway they feel like. In conclusion, investment have plans and also have a strategies someone will apply before it will Excel.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.

They let it fall because they want the ilks of you and I to buy in cheap. Also, that fall allows for redistribution of wealth and hodling. Weak hands are taken out for freshers to get onboard. You should see the dip as a good thing. Don't whine on it. Utilize the moment whenever the opportunity calls and DCA (Dollar Cost Averaging) on it.

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So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

Ludicrous dude, you're 😂. Nobody has the power to command that obedience. Not even Putin or the North Korea dude. Even when you hold a gun to people's head, there are still some that we hide and sell.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on January 23, 2023, 06:53:53 PM

Making up trades without having any basis is simply gambling and its true that if you are really that planning to have that kind of behavior then you should have done gambling in casino in the first place rather than

making yourself dealing up with trading.It isnt something that you could easily deal with and basing up on the behavior on just trying to make positions basing up on intuition and guts
then you arent doing trading but rather gambling.

OP would soon find out on whats the reality of trading and it isnt something that you could really just attached it with some intuition or emotions.

I know in some gambling sites, they also have price prediction and then there's also options trading which you are still require to predict if the price will rise of fall. Why can't he just do this instead? Since what he was doing there is pure gambling. Not only that he doesn't have enough knowledge on how trading works but he also invest on a risky coin called apecoin. What's funny is that he is expecting this coin will go to the moon. Lol, seriously?

If there is any coin that will go to the moon then that will only be Bitcoin, nothing more. Uncertainty in crypto is normal but it does not mean that we can't find a way to go through it and became successful.

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Quote from: Getmon on January 12, 2023, 09:28:06 AM

You are delusional by telling bitcointalk members on what to do. Your previous post says everything about you. You are just starting out in trading and do not know much about fundamental and technical analysis. You are not qualified to discuss trading with these individuals. If you despise reading the news, you should study technical analysis rather than posting nonsense.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 14, 2022, 12:10:32 PM

That's my trading style Im newbie i don't know much about ta analysis or much of fundamentals.
I check by btc If the price might hold up good then i go Long.

My coin today ape/usdt tp target: Moon

Let's rock my team let's get this money guys 😎💰

You better play in a casino and see results immediately, no need to wait for days and months—you just trade based on intuition anyway.

Making up trades without having any basis is simply gambling and its true that if you are really that planning to have that kind of behavior then you should have done gambling in casino in the first place rather than

making yourself dealing up with trading.It isnt something that you could easily deal with and basing up on the behavior on just trying to make positions basing up on intuition and guts
then you arent doing trading but rather gambling.

OP would soon find out on whats the reality of trading and it isnt something that you could really just attached it with some intuition or emotions.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What I say
Take your destiny on your own hands.

It's said that, "one who chooses not to plan has planned to fail". That's to say, even in your doing nothing, you've actually done something else which might help you or not.
In essence what am trying to say is, everything you do is shaping your feature.

It's such a hard thing your proposing for traders to come together in a community and decide on what position to take in the Ask and Bid to manipulate the market. I don't see any cjnace of this happening but even if it were to happen, it would only have a negative effect on the market.
It isn't about the whales for a market direction, its more about you, us and the news or interpretations of the charts with our reactions towards it.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 22, 2023, 09:01:41 AM

Quote from: Getmon on January 12, 2023, 09:28:06 AM

You are delusional by telling bitcointalk members on what to do. Your previous post says everything about you. You are just starting out in trading and do not know much about fundamental and technical analysis. You are not qualified to discuss trading with these individuals. If you despise reading the news, you should study technical analysis rather than posting nonsense.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 14, 2022, 12:10:32 PM

That's my trading style Im newbie i don't know much about ta analysis or much of fundamentals.
I check by btc If the price might hold up good then i go Long.

My coin today ape/usdt tp target: Moon

Let's rock my team let's get this money guys Huh

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You better play in a casino and see results immediately, no need to wait for days and months—you just trade based on intuition anyway.

The most obvious difference that exists in a casino and in playing games is that in the casino things happen by chance and you can have lucky breaks, few but you do, but the money goes much faster since you don't think otherwise I hope what can happen, not in trading, if it can be lost it is a very bad decision, sometimes it is due to luck, it is not denied, but in most cases a trader has full responsibility for his moments, and there is no nothing to do about it, so this should not be taken lightly, because it is very easy that the movies in trading can give you a good ride or simply leave you or out.

We're like doing gambling if we are doing trading without complete knowledge. We will only be risking our funds. Knowing the basic fundamentals as well as technical analysis is too important for you to make the right trading decisions because relying on hearsay or your conclusions will not be enough.
There are reliable resources that you can find about trading if you are having a hard time understanding it. Trading is a broad thing and even trading professionals still seek knowledge and I guess that's what Op needs to focus on first.

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Quote from: Getmon on January 12, 2023, 09:28:06 AM

You are delusional by telling bitcointalk members on what to do. Your previous post says everything about you. You are just starting out in trading and do not know much about fundamental and technical analysis. You are not qualified to discuss trading with these individuals. If you despise reading the news, you should study technical analysis rather than posting nonsense.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 14, 2022, 12:10:32 PM

That's my trading style Im newbie i don't know much about ta analysis or much of fundamentals.
I check by btc If the price might hold up good then i go Long.

My coin today ape/usdt tp target: Moon

Let's rock my team let's get this money guys Huh

?

You better play in a casino and see results immediately, no need to wait for days and months—you just trade based on intuition anyway.

The most obvious difference that exists in a casino and in playing games is that in the casino things happen by chance and you can have lucky breaks, few but you do, but the money goes much faster since you don't think otherwise I hope what can happen, not in trading, if it can be lost it is a very bad decision, sometimes it is due to luck, it is not denied, but in most cases a trader has full responsibility for his moments, and there is no nothing to do about it, so this should not be taken lightly, because it is very easy that the movies in trading can give you a good ride or simply leave you or out.

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You are delusional by telling bitcointalk members on what to do. Your previous post says everything about you. You are just starting out in trading and do not know much about fundamental and technical analysis. You are not qualified to discuss trading with these individuals. If you despise reading the news, you should study technical analysis rather than posting nonsense.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 14, 2022, 12:10:32 PM

That's my trading style Im newbie i don't know much about ta analysis or much of fundamentals.
I check by btc If the price might hold up good then i go Long.

My coin today ape/usdt tp target: Moon

Let's rock my team let's get this money guys 😎💰

You better play in a casino and see results immediately, no need to wait for days and months—you just trade based on intuition anyway.

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You can't tell people here what to do, since we have our own decisions to make, because we have our own lives, own problems, and different financial status in life. If you can't make profits on your own in this kind of market, that's your own problem to solve, not tell people to do what you want to help you in your current situation. Once you entered the blockchain, you are on your own journey, be mature to accept what's gonna happen and what already happened, learn from it.

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Quote from: blockman on January 11, 2023, 10:37:06 AM

And someone becomes dumb even if with experience when his emotions are too high. It's like he's unstoppable and he'll do anything he wishes as if no one will ever stop him from doing so.
That's what high emotions can do, you're forgetting that trading is a mental game and you shouldn't be too hasty with decisions that you'll do when your money and trades are involved.

When emotions are already that being trying to pop out and tends to control on everything and you do able to tolerate it instead of controlling it then you would definitely ending up on making bad decisions on whatever

you are doing and specially if you are doing trading then it would really be a huge effect in regarding to this which it is something that really needs to be avoided.If you do lack up some experience and knowledge
then it would be normal on having these kind of reaction.For a volatile market like this then you cant really avoid on having these kind of emotions and thinking because of its unpredictability or
something that is really random.

You can't control it when it's high and that's why instead of controlling it, you're just going to tolerate it because that's how it goes. You may be aware of it but you have no full control over it because what you want is what you will follow and that is to trade under your high emotions.
Yeah, it's unpredictable and you have to experience it when you're thinking of just trading without plans and soon, it will come to pass that you'll regret that you did the wrong thing and decision.

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Quote from: blockman on January 10, 2023, 05:23:21 PM

With bad news coming when you've got a lot of things that are already planned to look after the market, that will affect us based on the emotion that we've got.
And when our emotions are affected, our decision-making will also be affected. What's much worse is when we're already not sure if our confidence is there. When someone has come to that point, you better leave the market temporarily as you know what might happen with your potential trades.

In such conditions it is of course very important to have self-control and not everyone has that,
when filled with emotion it will make decisions not right and in the end we will lose,
maybe temporarily leaving the market is at least a better option.

And someone becomes dumb even if with experience when his emotions are too high. It's like he's unstoppable and he'll do anything he wishes as if no one will ever stop him from doing so.
That's what high emotions can do, you're forgetting that trading is a mental game and you shouldn't be too hasty with decisions that you'll do when your money and trades are involved.

When emotions are already that being trying to pop out and tends to control on everything and you do able to tolerate it instead of controlling it then you would definitely ending up on making bad decisions on whatever

you are doing and specially if you are doing trading then it would really be a huge effect in regarding to this which it is something that really needs to be avoided.If you do lack up some experience and knowledge
then it would be normal on having these kind of reaction.For a volatile market like this then you cant really avoid on having these kind of emotions and thinking because of its unpredictability or
something that is really random.

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Quote from: Chainsmokers on January 11, 2023, 03:33:03 AM

Quote from: blockman on January 10, 2023, 05:23:21 PM

With bad news coming when you've got a lot of things that are already planned to look after the market, that will affect us based on the emotion that we've got.
And when our emotions are affected, our decision-making will also be affected. What's much worse is when we're already not sure if our confidence is there. When someone has come to that point, you better leave the market temporarily as you know what might happen with your potential trades.

In such conditions it is of course very important to have self-control and not everyone has that,
when filled with emotion it will make decisions not right and in the end we will lose,
maybe temporarily leaving the market is at least a better option.

And someone becomes dumb even if with experience when his emotions are too high. It's like he's unstoppable and he'll do anything he wishes as if no one will ever stop him from doing so.
That's what high emotions can do, you're forgetting that trading is a mental game and you shouldn't be too hasty with decisions that you'll do when your money and trades are involved.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 01, 2023, 03:48:23 PM

Uncertainty is one of the things that comes before our analysis, when we are doing analysis of bitcoin or any other crypto, it is not good to even watch the news because it will interfere with our analysis, and that is not a good thing because we let ourselves go. Due to informations that are not so good at the same time, this means that uncertainty is a feeling that must be overcome with a lot of theory, with sufficient security and knowing how to forecast what may come, taking into account the great fundamentals that exist in the market. and what can occur in the world at any given moment, these things are what make the difference that a bearish or bullish market can generate.

With bad news coming when you've got a lot of things that are already planned to look after the market, that will affect us based on the emotion that we've got.
And when our emotions are affected, our decision-making will also be affected. What's much worse is when we're already not sure if our confidence is there. When someone has come to that point, you better leave the market temporarily as you know what might happen with your potential trades.

In such conditions it is of course very important to have self-control and not everyone has that,
when filled with emotion it will make decisions not right and in the end we will lose,
maybe temporarily leaving the market is at least a better option.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 01, 2023, 03:48:23 PM

Uncertainty is one of the things that comes before our analysis, when we are doing analysis of bitcoin or any other crypto, it is not good to even watch the news because it will interfere with our analysis, and that is not a good thing because we let ourselves go. Due to informations that are not so good at the same time, this means that uncertainty is a feeling that must be overcome with a lot of theory, with sufficient security and knowing how to forecast what may come, taking into account the great fundamentals that exist in the market. and what can occur in the world at any given moment, these things are what make the difference that a bearish or bullish market can generate.

With bad news coming when you've got a lot of things that are already planned to look after the market, that will affect us based on the emotion that we've got.
And when our emotions are affected, our decision-making will also be affected. What's much worse is when we're already not sure if our confidence is there. When someone has come to that point, you better leave the market temporarily as you know what might happen with your potential trades.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.

This is the way the whales also operate and you are already doing that too lol. The only difference now is you on the platform because they open telegram group to do such adverts and manipulate people to buy while they are already ready to sell.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

Lol you looking funny and unserious with the post. Sure nobody will take this serious. Don't rely on any coin if not bitcoin so don't invest what you can't risk losing.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on December 15, 2022, 02:08:04 PM

You can't control the market or everyone here to ask them to hold or sell or even if they hold not all traders are here on the forum. Since bitcoin is now very popular you can't easily manipulate the market by just saying "hold your coins and make a profit soon".

And you are not Elon Musk that can push the price^ of the coin like doge with a single tweet.

It's quite right that the market of cryptocurrency and especially bitcoin is not controllable, and the situation that we know that can change the market of Bitcoin is not by holding a coin and later release the coin in essence of making a profit, what triggers the increment of Bitcoin is the gravity of the investors and more especially the demands, and it's very understanding that when the market is been demanding than the supplies the market of Bitcoin changes. So it's very obvious.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 01, 2023, 03:48:23 PM

Uncertainty is one of the things that comes before our analysis, when we are doing analysis of bitcoin or any other crypto, it is not good to even watch the news because it will interfere with our analysis, and that is not a good thing because we let ourselves go. Due to informations that are not so good at the same time, this means that uncertainty is a feeling that must be overcome with a lot of theory, with sufficient security and knowing how to forecast what may come, taking into account the great fundamentals that exist in the market. and what can occur in the world at any given moment, these things are what make the difference that a bearish or bullish market can generate.

Whether you do like it or not then it would really be just for you or needed to see up those fundamentals for you to be that aware on whats happening around the market and its true that it could really boggled up your

mind or analysis that you had made out earlier because you've been able to be affected via means of emotion and if you arent that have much awareness and experience then pretty sure it would mixed up something.
This is why you should really be that mindful when it comes to things which are supposed to be done.If you dont like to risk up on something then this market isnt really for you.
You should know and bare with the risk if you are really that have plans on dealing with this market.

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Quote from: South Park on December 28, 2022, 02:23:52 PM

It seems to me people have forgotten that pump and dump groups are illegal, I do know they are easy to find and they are all over telegram but they are still illegal, also whales can manipulate the markets because we are talking about a very small number of individuals with enormous power, so even if you could concentrate most of the retail investors to do this, it will be almost impossible to coordinate them to buy and sell at the same time, so what is being proposed on this thread cannot be successfully implemented, especially when we are talking about an asset like bitcoin.

Out of curiosity, is there a rule and regulation that states pump and dump are illegal? Just want to know since my understanding about the reason why they are considered illegal is that their service is just about scamming their followers.

It is just another form of wire fraud, according it Investopedia these are elements to consider to determine if something is a form of wire fraud:

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Understanding Wire Fraud

The U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Resource Manual Section 941.18 U.S.C. 1343 cites these as the key elements of wire fraud: “1) that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally devised or participated in a scheme to defraud another out of money; 2) that the defendant did so with the intent to defraud; 3) that it was reasonably foreseeable that interstate wire communications would be used; and 4) that interstate wire communications were in fact used.”

Source: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wirefraud.asp

Now tell me does pump and dump schemes fulfill all of those conditions? Obviously the answer is yes, as such if the identities of those behind pump and dump schemes become known they can be prosecuted as what they are doing is completely illegal no matter how you look at it, as such people need to stay away from those groups and find a reliable way to make money in the market.

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Uncertainty is one of the things that comes before our analysis, when we are doing analysis of bitcoin or any other crypto, it is not good to even watch the news because it will interfere with our analysis, and that is not a good thing because we let ourselves go. Due to informations that are not so good at the same time, this means that uncertainty is a feeling that must be overcome with a lot of theory, with sufficient security and knowing how to forecast what may come, taking into account the great fundamentals that exist in the market. and what can occur in the world at any given moment, these things are what make the difference that a bearish or bullish market can generate.

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Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

If you are a newbie in here, then that will be the case that can happen to you. You will get confused and you will end up believing on the wrong people but for someone who is not new in here, they can easily do a research and confirm the rumours that they see if it was only a lie/fud or it was a real thing already. They can then base their actions according to it.

Anyone that is involved here and stay in the game, are going to face the obstacles and difficulties. There is no shortcut in here. The last thing that you said will only depend on the coin that we hold. What if you hold a shitcoin? The best thing to do with a shitcoin is to sell them immediately.

That is why you shouldn't rely on other people; make your hands dirty! Do it on your own. Let's say you came across someone who was giving you signals, but he just vanished a few months later; how do you now make a profit? Also, as a newbie, we experienced a lot of difficulties and mistakes, which is why we need to learn from them. If you've stayed here and tried your hardest to learn and earn, there's a good chance you'll find what you're looking for, or the holy grail for you to earn or take out the bones from the market.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Investing in bitcoin is not a contest between market-controlling whales and ordinary investors. Invest when you should, and don't pressure your friends to do the same when they aren't ready to do so in something they can't afford to lose money on. It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

The cryptocurrency market is accessible to everyone; you can buy and sell whenever you want. Do not overexcite yourself about bitcoin. Investing in cryptocurrencies might be risky. Use caution in it.

There's always that risk and this is something should really be put up on someones mind and even how Bitcoin is been widely known or popular but it cant really just possible on buying it out on one go.
It cant just be possible and if it happens then there would really be that monopoly but technically speaking then it cant just be possible nor really that happens.
Deal up according on the risk that you could able to bare or withstand.There's no assurance on how far or how low we would really be able to reach out
on future years to come.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.

We don't make it happening, but this is the crypto market, this is happening during the bearish era. The crash of Bitcoin price always happening and we are only waiting for this. There are complicated things to think about if we want this not to happen. This is not as easy and simple as we think. There are many factors why this crypto market is still crashing. But one thing that we must think, what we must do during this bearish market.
Exactly, we must be more patient in facing this market condition. Additionally, making certain strategies during this bearish market will make our waiting here more valuable. I mean, doing DCA in Bitcoin by buying the coin for long-term holding. This is the best thing to do when the market is like this. We cannot fight the market. But we can utilize every market condition by taking the chance to buy Bitcoin at a low price and hold them until the price that we target is achieved.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.

No need to say this mate, for what and can we? Just enjoy our life and utilize every chance that we have to do in this crypto market. So, we don't need to fight the whales, we just follow what they are thinking and targeting. We don't need to always focus on fighting against them, but we focus on what we can exactly do in reality.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 21, 2022, 05:50:25 PM

[snip]It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

This is not appropriate for everyone some people have more than a single Bitcoin in a day.

Quote from: South Park on December 28, 2022, 02:23:52 PM

It seems to me people have forgotten that pump and dump groups are illegal, I do know they are easy to find and they are all over telegram but they are still illegal, also whales can manipulate the markets because we are talking about a very small number of individuals with enormous power, so even if you could concentrate most of the retail investors to do this, it will be almost impossible to coordinate them to buy and sell at the same time, so what is being proposed on this thread cannot be successfully implemented, especially when we are talking about an asset like bitcoin.

Out of curiosity, is there a rule and regulation that states pump and dump are illegal? Just want to know since my understanding about the reason why they are considered illegal is that their service is just about scamming their followers.

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on December 21, 2022, 05:50:25 PM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Investing in bitcoin is not a contest between market-controlling whales and ordinary investors. Invest when you should, and don't pressure your friends to do the same when they aren't ready to do so in something they can't afford to lose money on. It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

The cryptocurrency market is accessible to everyone; you can buy and sell whenever you want. Do not overexcite yourself about bitcoin. Investing in cryptocurrencies might be risky. Use caution in it.

It seems to me people have forgotten that pump and dump groups are illegal, I do know they are easy to find and they are all over telegram but they are still illegal, also whales can manipulate the markets because we are talking about a very small number of individuals with enormous power, so even if you could concentrate most of the retail investors to do this, it will be almost impossible to coordinate them to buy and sell at the same time, so what is being proposed on this thread cannot be successfully implemented, especially when we are talking about an asset like bitcoin.

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I don't think that anyone will agree with your talk because presently no one can easily trust the other person and I think that such activities which you describes does not give any benefit to its users. One more thing is that if a person is not familiar with certain thing then he should not participate because less knowledge will make him looser. One important point is that we do not make the price up and down it occur according to the market situation. Btc is one of the best option if it declines then its surely will goes more up and will not disappoint its users.

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This sounds like a coup by what you are doing. lol

The market doesn't work like that and maybe this is what the trading signal was doing (correct me if I'm wrong) since it's kinda similar to what they've been doing.

Besides, investment should not stress you if you are planning to invest for a long time. Just hodl it while doing some DCA, it's just normal to see FUD especially if the market is in bearish market it always happens like that since almost everyone was trying to save their investment and also they were weak-hands that's why they sell out.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Investing in bitcoin is not a contest between market-controlling whales and ordinary investors. Invest when you should, and don't pressure your friends to do the same when they aren't ready to do so in something they can't afford to lose money on. It is impossible to buy all of bitcoin in one day (impossible). For once, no one can think that

The cryptocurrency market is accessible to everyone; you can buy and sell whenever you want. Do not overexcite yourself about bitcoin. Investing in cryptocurrencies might be risky. Use caution in it.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

.....
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.
But most of you are happy when big whales rob you......

It won't be as easy as you talk mate. How much strength do we have, especially the small traders, to fight against the manipulation of whales and also the FUD that keeps crashing? Even though the whales didn't completely manipulate it, the market is currently in a bearish state, or in a simple sense, it's in a crash market era. So, there is no need to worry or blame anyone. If we are indeed long-term holders, just focus on how to buy more Bitcoin when the price is still cheap like now. Then, save the Bitcoin for the long term, at least until it reaches a bullish era later at a higher price. This would make more sense than having to think about fighting whales or trying to fight the market.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

...So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.
...

I don't see the price changing after your purchase. The market does not work like that and if you made a purchase for $ 100, it will not change the direction of price movement. All existing pump groups cannot somehow affect the value of bitcoin, since it has a huge capitalization.

We all know that the price of bitcoins can not get elevated due one particular person venture into buying of Bitcoin, so the price rise due to it has have a huge market demand and lower supply, so the gravity of the demand will determine exactly when the price of Bitcoin will accelerate in bullish market, that's from my perspective.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

...So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.
...

I don't see the price changing after your purchase. The market does not work like that and if you made a purchase for $ 100, it will not change the direction of price movement. All existing pump groups cannot somehow affect the value of bitcoin, since it has a huge capitalization.

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Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

If you are a newbie in here, then that will be the case that can happen to you. You will get confused and you will end up believing on the wrong people but for someone who is not new in here, they can easily do a research and confirm the rumours that they see if it was only a lie/fud or it was a real thing already. They can then base their actions according to it.

Anyone that is involved here and stay in the game, are going to face the obstacles and difficulties. There is no shortcut in here. The last thing that you said will only depend on the coin that we hold. What if you hold a shitcoin? The best thing to do with a shitcoin is to sell them immediately.

Just let those false information to be their learning curve because this is where people do usually ends up because when we are still a noob then it cant really be denied that we are really just too hard headed.

We do easily believe on what we are able to hear and read up on this space without trying out to make some verification or Indepth research in relation to that.

Speaking about uncertainties and other things in relation to this market then it isnt something new.Its been like this where lots of news and sentiments could really circle around.

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Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

If you are a newbie in here, then that will be the case that can happen to you. You will get confused and you will end up believing on the wrong people but for someone who is not new in here, they can easily do a research and confirm the rumours that they see if it was only a lie/fud or it was a real thing already. They can then base their actions according to it.

Anyone that is involved here and stay in the game, are going to face the obstacles and difficulties. There is no shortcut in here. The last thing that you said will only depend on the coin that we hold. What if you hold a shitcoin? The best thing to do with a shitcoin is to sell them immediately.

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Quote from: Flexystar on December 18, 2022, 11:06:24 AM

The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

But you will agree that the big players make the bigger decision. The market is huge for sure but there are individuals and co-operations that play the investment game with so much funds in that once the pull out their funds from the market it shifts the direction of the trend ASAP. Volatility in the market don't just happen things trigger them and one of them is how funds moves in and out in large sum.

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Quote from: bitgolden on December 18, 2022, 04:32:41 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 18, 2022, 01:29:34 AM

Knowing that the potential for bitcoin in the future can provide us with huge profits, it is a good plan to start investing in bitcoin. Moreover, at this time there is still a possibility to see the price of bitcoin decrease again so that we are still given the opportunity to buy.

It may decrease or not; but we should keep investing for sure. Most people here do plan for investing into bitcoin only if they see a decrease in prices; that must be a newbie mistake in my opinion. Veteran people who got time to analyse all the potential of bitcoin market will keep investing at regular interval irrespective of whare bitcoin market is heading.

If they think that way, it will be too late for them to start investing in bitcoin. Hopefully, they can change their minds and start investing now to see the growth in the value of their assets once bitcoin starts to get its momentum going again. But that's up to them because we can't force it on them.

Quote from: bitgolden on December 18, 2022, 04:32:41 AM

Quote from: michellee on December 18, 2022, 01:29:34 AM

And we can be wise in using money to buy bitcoin because we don't need to buy all the money at one price. We better buy at a lot of low prices so that it can be an advantage for us.

But everyone wants to catch the exact bottom price of bitcoin market which must be the reason why most people do wait for one price for all their money. Keep averaging must be a great idea because it ensures investing around bottom prices.

But it won't be easy to catch the low of the bitcoin market because we know no one can predict correctly to what extent the bitcoin price will be low. Either way, they have to choose and if that remains their choice, we can only hope they can find that rock bottom and start buying bitcoins.

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@OP, I've looked at your post history and it looks like you're building a pump group, how's that going? is this part of the pump movement you are managing?

Unfortunately, the people here have been educated to think somewhat rationally about trading decisions. It's a good idea to invite you to join the "common sense traders" group before you go any further with your pump team.
As you said,

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

-snip-
Take your destiny on your own hands.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.
(....)

Trading is not working like this. If you think trading is easy like this, you are wrong, you may lose your money when you are trading like this and your expectation is like this.
You must be aware that trading is extremely risky, take note of a lot of factors when you are trading, and a lot of impossible things will happen. That's why there is risk management to help you to preserve your capital, that's why also there is stop loss so it will help to not lose bigger if your plan didn't worked well.

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Quote from: Adbitco on December 16, 2022, 03:14:20 AM

If i were you i would have been buying gradually because that is the only way i think you could take back from the whales

Honestly it would be highly possible to make the whales powerless by wide adaption. It has been long discussed fact that whales will lose control over the time when more small individuals take part in bitcoin market. It is a matter of time and in my opinion, mid to small whales are not in controlling action any more.

This is not possible because only one individual can't control the market increase or decrease, so it should be a thing that is generally controlled the major holders. Mid whales don't really have any say over the market anymore, the we have more holders the more less the whales becomes because lot of people buying bitcoin.

Let me make it very brief, the market of cryptocurrency can only have chance of getting domination when the total numbers of the demands is higher than the total numbers of supplies, and secondly, one person doesn't stand to make a the market sphere of cryptocurrency to get accelerated.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

You sound like that every trader of bitcoin around the world read your request and obey to that. Even this community is world's prominent one, there cannot be any guarantee that everyone who involve in bitcoin trading visits this sub board and visits your topic. So, try to understand the reality and try to be stronger on your technical aspects if you want that bitcoin trading to be your personal money printer.

The reality is what we always shy away from when we want to make decisions that we will want it to favour us.
But we do forget that facing reality squarely will give us the advantage of making positive efforts in our decision-making and achieving good results. I would not say that the topic starter is ignorant of the nature of Bitcoin and how large the Bitcoin community has become. Although it could be total newbie in the forum but not in the bitcoin.

What he has said, could be achieved when bitcoin was still under $1. In fact if all the people in this forum will read his post and follow his instruction, yet the Bitcoin market cannot be affected because the market is very large.

Investment in Bitcoin is individual you do not make decisions for other people even when you give some speculations or recommendations also tell them to do their own research so that they will be responsible for their wins or their losses.

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Quote from: pixie85 on December 17, 2022, 02:57:30 PM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.

We do not matter here. How much can you buy? 0.1 BTC? 1 BTC? You won't counter the miners.

Don't panic though, you have to realize that bitcoin goes down when there's no big buyers because miners are mining and selling all the time so there's a constant sell pressure on the market and for bitcoin to even stay flat it has to be continuously countered. You or me can buy 0.1 bitcoin a month and even if every person who reads this thread does that we won't be able to make the price go up.

I haven't sold anything since the Luna crash and spent a lot of USD on bitcoin. Long term thinking and conviction are what matters in a bear market not whining about 5% ups and downs.

The idea of the OP may sound attractive to some people out there but we know it is impossible to execute, and even if somehow he was able to do it the buying pressure will be limited both in quantity and in the time it can be applied, so as soon as it is no longer applied the price will go back to its appropriate level, so not only this is a waste of time it is also a waste of money if someone is thinking about earning some money with bitcoin during the short term, so the correct thing to do is if we have some money available then we can invest in bitcoin, but only if we can hold until the next bull run.

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The fact that we are in the crypto market makes it more difficult for us to understand whom to believe and whom not believe. The market is huge and it’s bumpy ride all the way. It’s up to us how to make money out of it. We can either keep talking the obstacles, difficulties and volatility or we just straight away jump into it and keep buying more coins. I mean we only loose when we sell the coins which is the oldest saying here and from the fellow members. I would always like to believe them and kee holding until I get best profits out of it.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 17, 2022, 11:40:20 AM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.
But most of you are happy when big whales rob you.
Dont Let them Rob you dont read news it's all their manipulatsion let's make agreements together when we sell when we buy yes i know whales got a lot money to make Market to move but If we take all the people together we can beat them.

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

So let's do it guys 😎🚀💰

Let's get this money homies 💰 dont rob your Local grocery stores come here join with me and let's take the money from the fat BIGs from wall street without gun but by using crypto.

Yeahh homies let's take that cash here 💰

So what you're doing is nothing different from whales or manipulators!

First of all, no one is going to invest because of what a random online member told you to do, of course accumulating BTC is a good thing but if you are the one who will be buying and selling according to market trends then it won't be profitable, it makes money for long term holding.

Whales aren't robbing anything from you, but we are the one who decides when to buy and sell our assets.

You can't control or manipulate the market that easily. Whales will be whales and they can always manipulate the price of Bitcoin where they could benefit and make a profit. You can't ask people to buy or sell that easily because most of us here are also taking advantage of every market movement. It's a good thing to buy BTC but since we're in the bearish season, it would only be better to hold it and just sell when the market recovers. You can't make a profit by convincing people to invest because we all have different target goals.

Even though bitcoin is decentralized its prone to manipulation but luckily due to the price increase over the years the manipulation is getting expensive day by day so whales are also risking multi million dollars to manipulate and expect they can turn it what they wanted but there is no assurance that it will happen. But here OP is telling us to buy and what if he sold without telling anyone?

You can make profits by convincing but no one will be convinced with such silly ideas at all.

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Quote from: michellee on December 18, 2022, 01:29:34 AM

Knowing that the potential for bitcoin in the future can provide us with huge profits, it is a good plan to start investing in bitcoin. Moreover, at this time there is still a possibility to see the price of bitcoin decrease again so that we are still given the opportunity to buy.

It may decrease or not; but we should keep investing for sure. Most people here do plan for investing into bitcoin only if they see a decrease in prices; that must be a newbie mistake in my opinion. Veteran people who got time to analyse all the potential of bitcoin market will keep investing at regular interval irrespective of whare bitcoin market is heading.

Quote from: michellee on December 18, 2022, 01:29:34 AM

And we can be wise in using money to buy bitcoin because we don't need to buy all the money at one price. We better buy at a lot of low prices so that it can be an advantage for us.

But everyone wants to catch the exact bottom price of bitcoin market which must be the reason why most people do wait for one price for all their money. Keep averaging must be a great idea because it ensures investing around bottom prices.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Did you think this really happen in the crypto world?
You can't buy everything here nor you can manipulate the entire market even if you bought a lot of Bitcoin - you will just fail in the end.

Yes, let's buy today, hold tomorrow, and sell in the next few years. That is exactly what we need to do, not of thinking evil things like doing how these Cartels did. In fact, not all rich people are here, even those in cartels as they can't make the market do what they wanted to do.

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Quote from: imamusma on December 16, 2022, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: michellee on December 16, 2022, 01:55:08 AM

I've bought a few bitcoins since the bitcoin price plunged below $20k yesterday and I've decided I will buy more at the lowest price yet. You can say that to people out there because people in this forum want to buy more bitcoins. But we know what people out there will do, whether they will buy or sell their bitcoin out of fear or concern at seeing the price continuing to drop or at the current bottom.

I still believe in an increase in the price of bitcoin in the future and would not sell my bitcoins if the price has not exceeded yesterday's ATH price and I also have no problem holding on for the long term. Let's prepare more money to buy more bitcoin Grin

It would be a huge loss if someone with experience in crypto ignores the current downturn to invest in bitcoin. When we see how good the potential of bitcoin is in the future, we should prepare a bag to fill bitcoin at a cheaper price. All of us are expecting a new ATH in the next few years, it is a possibility but without the preparation and belief in this potential then I think they have missed the opportunity.

In essence, the advantages and disadvantages are in our own hands. A good decision will start a good result, and vice versa until they regret it in the end. I've been investing in bitcoin regardless of what the market is like right now. It doesn't matter because I still really believe in its potential.

That's right because they have had the opportunity to buy more on a downturn. Knowing that the potential for bitcoin in the future can provide us with huge profits, it is a good plan to start investing in bitcoin. Moreover, at this time there is still a possibility to see the price of bitcoin decrease again so that we are still given the opportunity to buy.

And we can be wise in using money to buy bitcoin because we don't need to buy all the money at one price. We better buy at a lot of low prices so that it can be an advantage for us.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

Is this how it really happens?
Like some gang or cloud groups coming together to decide on what action to take with regards to buy/sell and direct the movement of the market!
I tell you this, this must have been thought of by many, probably tried by many and still, the market still follows its path. Even whales don't have much actions on the market but rather, creates a panic sale situation in the minds of weak hands.

Your best actions still will remain that, you o not sell. You've lost nothing by holding remember. Should they dump the coin, you buy some of the flooded coin, add to your portfolio and continue to hold. Manipulating the market as proposed is likely not going to happen.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.

We do not matter here. How much can you buy? 0.1 BTC? 1 BTC? You won't counter the miners.

Don't panic though, you have to realize that bitcoin goes down when there's no big buyers because miners are mining and selling all the time so there's a constant sell pressure on the market and for bitcoin to even stay flat it has to be continuously countered. You or me can buy 0.1 bitcoin a month and even if every person who reads this thread does that we won't be able to make the price go up.

I haven't sold anything since the Luna crash and spent a lot of USD on bitcoin. Long term thinking and conviction are what matters in a bear market not whining about 5% ups and downs.

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We can not always think that whales are behind the whole thing. I mean it’s billions of dollars moving everyday here and there in the bitcoin world. There is no way whales can also work on any strategy to move the market just like that.

For Altcoins it’s easy to do it due to its low cap nature and also at the same time there are lot of stakes in one persons hand or may be partners for that matter. But for the bitcoin side, no no I don’t think that big market can be manipulated. Institutional investors are more careful than before because they know lot of government authorities are looking after them and tracing them, so definitely it’s going to be hard that way.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 17, 2022, 11:40:20 AM

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.
But most of you are happy when big whales rob you.
Dont Let them Rob you dont read news it's all their manipulatsion let's make agreements together when we sell when we buy yes i know whales got a lot money to make Market to move but If we take all the people together we can beat them.

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

So let's do it guys 😎🚀💰

Let's get this money homies 💰 dont rob your Local grocery stores come here join with me and let's take the money from the fat BIGs from wall street without gun but by using crypto.

Yeahh homies let's take that cash here 💰

So what you're doing is nothing different from whales or manipulators!

First of all, no one is going to invest because of what a random online member told you to do, of course accumulating BTC is a good thing but if you are the one who will be buying and selling according to market trends then it won't be profitable, it makes money for long term holding.

Whales aren't robbing anything from you, but we are the one who decides when to buy and sell our assets.

You can't control or manipulate the market that easily. Whales will be whales and they can always manipulate the price of Bitcoin where they could benefit and make a profit. You can't ask people to buy or sell that easily because most of us here are also taking advantage of every market movement. It's a good thing to buy BTC but since we're in the bearish season, it would only be better to hold it and just sell when the market recovers. You can't make a profit by convincing people to invest because we all have different target goals.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.
But most of you are happy when big whales rob you.
Dont Let them Rob you dont read news it's all their manipulatsion let's make agreements together when we sell when we buy yes i know whales got a lot money to make Market to move but If we take all the people together we can beat them.

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

So let's do it guys 😎🚀💰

Let's get this money homies 💰 dont rob your Local grocery stores come here join with me and let's take the money from the fat BIGs from wall street without gun but by using crypto.

Yeahh homies let's take that cash here 💰

So what you're doing is nothing different from whales or manipulators!

First of all no one is going to invest because of a random online member told to do, of course accumulating BTC is good thing but if you are the one who will be buying and selling according to market trends then it won't be profitable, it makes money for long term holding.

Whales aren't robbing anything from you, but we are the one who decides when to buy and sell our assets.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on December 16, 2022, 02:43:07 PM

I assume OP doesn't initiate us to beat the whales, but the OP reminds us not to be affected by whales. In my opinion, it is almost impossible to beat whales since we have no power to beat them. What we can do is to be patient and not affected, we know the dump made by the whales won't last a long time, it is only temporarily. If there are too many bad news and the price continous to dump, we can suspect this maye be the manipulation made by the whales.

Whales are here from the beginning of bitcoin markets and they do continue their manipulations still we do see lots of small investors also making huge profits out of bitcoin investments but the way you suggested here. Yeah, we cannot do anything against someone who got power to alter the direction of market but we can protect ourselves just by being long term investors by making use of all dips.

In my opinion, whales are needed for beginners of bitcoin investment. Because, whales only created dips which are very good opportunity for newbies to accumulate some bitcoins at cheaper rates. So, let whales do their jobs and we must plan up as per what would be beneficial to us; bothering whales will not bring anything good.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

So let's do it guys 😎🚀💰

Ooppss, sold mine before I read your post. But no worries the amount I sold, don't affect the market, it doesn't even erase a sing buy order Grin

. Anyway I almost fall for your idea until I read it is all for personal gain. You hate whales manipulating market but you are here manipulating people. Isn't that the same? Well, as the saying goes, thieves hate thieves.

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on December 16, 2022, 02:43:07 PM

I assume OP doesn't initiate us to beat the whales, but the OP reminds us not to be affected by whales.

Nah, it is clear that OP wanted to manipulate the market by inciting small holders into buying his idea. The way he say it isn't a figure of speech. It is a clear statement that he wanted to earn money from his holdings.

Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

In my opinion, it is almost impossible to beat whales since we have no power to beat them. What we can do is to be patient and not affected, we know the dump made by the whales won't last a long time, it is only temporarily. If there are too many bad news and the price continous to dump, we can suspect this maye be the manipulation made by the whales. They may try to buy coins as cheap as possible. If we can be patient and never sell in panic, the whales effort will be useless on us. In the next few months or years, the whales must pump the price because they want to take profits, too.

If you can't beat them join them., We do not need to compete with them, we just need to ride with them. Just go along with their plan of action and be vigilant.

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Quote from: Anguwa on December 16, 2022, 07:45:10 AM

How do you expect us to beat the Whales when not everyone who owns or trades Bitcoin is on this forum and not every forum user has seen the message you posted? The belief is that once a market is about to pump, no amount of manipulation or positive or negative news regarding cryptocurrencies or the global economy will be able to stop it. The best course of action is to exercise sufficient patience and wait for a while; eventually, the market will undoubtedly change.

I assume OP doesn't initiate us to beat the whales, but the OP reminds us not to be affected by whales. In my opinion, it is almost impossible to beat whales since we have no power to beat them. What we can do is to be patient and not affected, we know the dump made by the whales won't last a long time, it is only temporarily. If there are too many bad news and the price continous to dump, we can suspect this maye be the manipulation made by the whales. They may try to buy coins as cheap as possible. If we can be patient and never sell in panic, the whales effort will be useless on us. In the next few months or years, the whales must pump the price because they want to take profits, too.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.

Sure. Because every body is going to listen to your calls and help you make money.

This is not how Markets work. Not how Bitcoin works. There are Signal groups out there and they are scamming you by acting exactly the way you are. They buy before giving the buy signal and sell at peak levels.

Unfortunately, unless you have billions to move around there is no way we can control the Bitcoin market this way. Even collectively, if all members on this thread put every single satoshi they have onto an Exchange and started dumping them all, it would be insignificant.

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Quote from: michellee on December 16, 2022, 01:55:08 AM

I've bought a few bitcoins since the bitcoin price plunged below $20k yesterday and I've decided I will buy more at the lowest price yet. You can say that to people out there because people in this forum want to buy more bitcoins. But we know what people out there will do, whether they will buy or sell their bitcoin out of fear or concern at seeing the price continuing to drop or at the current bottom.

I still believe in an increase in the price of bitcoin in the future and would not sell my bitcoins if the price has not exceeded yesterday's ATH price and I also have no problem holding on for the long term. Let's prepare more money to buy more bitcoin Grin

It would be a huge loss if someone with experience in crypto ignores the current downturn to invest in bitcoin. When we see how good the potential of bitcoin is in the future, we should prepare a bag to fill bitcoin at a cheaper price. All of us are expecting a new ATH in the next few years, it is a possibility but without the preparation and belief in this potential then I think they have missed the opportunity.

In essence, the advantages and disadvantages are in our own hands. A good decision will start a good result, and vice versa until they regret it in the end. I've been investing in bitcoin regardless of what the market is like right now. It doesn't matter because I still really believe in its potential.

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Quote from: Adbitco on December 16, 2022, 05:05:46 AM

Quote from: justdimin on December 16, 2022, 04:12:06 AM

Honestly it would be highly possible to make the whales powerless by wide adaption. It has been long discussed fact that whales will lose control over the time when more small individuals take part in bitcoin market. It is a matter of time and in my opinion, mid to small whales are not in controlling action any more.

This is not possible because only one individual can't control the market increase or decrease, so it should be a thing that is generally controlled the major holders. Mid whales don't really have any say over the market anymore, the we have more holders the more less the whales becomes because lot of people buying bitcoin.

But he didn't say one individual. What he said is wide adoption, then more small individuals. One or few individuals can beat whales if these individuals are too powerful enough or wealthy. They can easily counter what the whales are trying to do. A hodler is different from a buyer. There might be a combination of both but for those who only want to buy a coin, they will likely be having a tough time doing it anymore once people became a hodler.

The only best thing that whales can do this time is to sell their bags and I think that still can shake the market but not as heavy as before because people won't panic anymore and will do the same thing.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

So let's do it guys 😎🚀💰

Let's get this money homies 💰 dont rob your Local grocery stores come here join with me and let's take the money from the fat BIGs from wall street without gun but by using crypto.

Yeahh homies let's take that cash here 💰

How do you expect us to beat the Whales when not everyone who owns or trades Bitcoin is on this forum and not every forum user has seen the message you posted? The belief is that once a market is about to pump, no amount of manipulation or positive or negative news regarding cryptocurrencies or the global economy will be able to stop it. The best course of action is to exercise sufficient patience and wait for a while; eventually, the market will undoubtedly change.

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With the way you worded/presented your idea, it seems like you are also going to be one of them (the 'Wall Street guys'). What you're presenting has been pitched by a lot of people in the past, and what difference will it make anyway now that the bitcoin market has gotten too big? No matter how much we give in individually, we wouldn't be making that much of a dent to move the market in our favor. We will be needing more than deep pockets in order to be able to move things around. Perhaps whales with over 100k bitcoins on their arsenal can cause some movement, but not in a way that it becomes prolonged and influences the market fully.

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Quote from: justdimin on December 16, 2022, 04:12:06 AM

~snip~

Quote from: Adbitco on December 16, 2022, 03:14:20 AM

If i were you i would have been buying gradually because that is the only way i think you could take back from the whales

Honestly it would be highly possible to make the whales powerless by wide adaption. It has been long discussed fact that whales will lose control over the time when more small individuals take part in bitcoin market. It is a matter of time and in my opinion, mid to small whales are not in controlling action any more.

This is not possible because only one individual can't control the market increase or decrease, so it should be a thing that is generally controlled the major holders. Mid whales don't really have any say over the market anymore, the we have more holders the more less the whales becomes because lot of people buying bitcoin.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 16, 2022, 01:46:59 AM

The whales control the market? If whales are losing, do you know how significant the loss could be? Bitcoin market is also too strong for whales to manipulate

By considering the volume of every exchange, we may assume that bitcoin market is stronger but in my opinion it is still vulnerable for whales' manipulation. Because, due to its decentralized nature, I believe traders do get panic out of any FUD quicker than other market traders. This works in favour of whales to manipulate the direction of market on their own benefits.

Quote from: Adbitco on December 16, 2022, 03:14:20 AM

If i were you i would have been buying gradually because that is the only way i think you could take back from the whales

Honestly it would be highly possible to make the whales powerless by wide adaption. It has been long discussed fact that whales will lose control over the time when more small individuals take part in bitcoin market. It is a matter of time and in my opinion, mid to small whales are not in controlling action any more.

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Well your post is a bit funny

How do you think people would listen to you by not selling their bitcoin just because you want the market to increase or because you want to take bitcoin from the whales. Immediately i read the post i began to imagine how you think you can convince people over here not sell rather to empty the whales. Do you know their investment plans or portfolio? So, they aren't selling now and you alone can't even manipulate, control the market compared to millions of people holding bitcoin and how do you plan to put people over here together make them adhered to you post by not selling their bitcoin. If i were you i would have been buying gradually because that is the only way i think you could take back from the whales but believe me or not, they also buy whenever they thinks the market is dip.

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I've bought a few bitcoins since the bitcoin price plunged below $20k yesterday and I've decided I will buy more at the lowest price yet. You can say that to people out there because people in this forum want to buy more bitcoins. But we know what people out there will do, whether they will buy or sell their bitcoin out of fear or concern at seeing the price continuing to drop or at the current bottom.

I still believe in an increase in the price of bitcoin in the future and would not sell my bitcoins if the price has not exceeded yesterday's ATH price and I also have no problem holding on for the long term. Let's prepare more money to buy more bitcoin Grin

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If you are a whale, your post here alone is enough to know that you will want to always try to manipulate the market.

The whales control the market? If whales are losing, do you know how significant the loss could be? Bitcoin market is also too strong for whales to manipulate, but more of them can invest when the market is low. If the bull run starts, you will see their hands which is worth it because people that are not whales that invest now would also make profit.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

You sound like that every trader of bitcoin around the world read your request and obey to that. Even this community is world's prominent one, there cannot be any guarantee that everyone who involve in bitcoin trading visits this sub board and visits your topic. So, try to understand the reality and try to be stronger on your technical aspects if you want that bitcoin trading to be your personal money printer.

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Quote from: Firstlambo

What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.

The opportunity to become great in future is here again which many traders and investors are embracing the opportunity to buy and hold for future purpose, which you can also be part of the traders that will celebrate when the price increase higher in the market soon. I think, you have made the right choice by purchasing bitcoins in this bearish season which is the best season any professional traders or investors can buy and hold to wait for the opportunity to come. If the bullish market take place any moment from next week, it will really help traders and investors to make a suitable incomes from the market.

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Quote from: Zilon on December 15, 2022, 02:46:42 PM

How much do we have to move the market? As the market is falling, the best we can do is hodl and wait for when the market becomes bullish to see our profit again. We retail traders are at the mercy of the Whales, we only follow what ever direction they move. There is no way we can beat the whales, if we all don't sell it is not because we are trying to compete with the whales but to get prepared for the bullish reversal when it starts

Why would be thinking or minding about on how to beat up the whales? There's no way on doing that but instead it would be sensible that you would rather go along on what would be their movement.But how?

This is where own analysis and skills would really vary since each traders would really be having their own way on how they would be placing themselves into the market.Uncertainty and doubts could really be always there since this is really volatile one since in the first place.There's no way we could determine on when the market would make out some significant movement.
This is why its important that you should only invest on the amount which you can afford to lose which is always been the primary rule.

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How much do we have to move the market? As the market is falling, the best we can do is hodl and wait for when the market becomes bullish to see our profit again. We retail traders are at the mercy of the Whales, we only follow what ever direction they move. There is no way we can beat the whales, if we all don't sell it is not because we are trying to compete with the whales but to get prepared for the bullish reversal when it starts

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I smiled seeing what you wrote.

several times many people have done activities like this, but all failed.
Because sometimes plans don't go according to plan.
and the question that bothers me a little bit is, do we know who the whale is? and where is he? in which market? and how many whales is it? can we take it?
the whales strength is very strong and they are not just one that we can fight together.
and for me btc no one can control.
realistic thinking is necessary

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You can't control the market or everyone here to ask them to hold or sell or even if they hold not all traders are here on the forum. Since bitcoin is now very popular you can't easily manipulate the market by just saying "hold your coins and make a profit soon".

And you are not Elon Musk that can push the price^ of the coin like doge with a single tweet.

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Quote from: Firstlambo on December 15, 2022, 01:31:09 PM

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

Not that people will listen to you in the first place, but you can convince us all you want to buy but the bitcoin market is just too big now to be significantly moved by users of a forum.

Also, funny that you complain about wall street and whales but then here you are — trying to convince people to pump the market for you lol.

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What i say
Take your destiny on your own hands.
Do not wait when the whales move Market for you.
Right now btc and Market falling....guys why you let it happening ? I want and all my friends btc going up so i do my part Im buying.
Today Lets buy and let's make the cartel agreements when we buy and when we sell.
Today let's buy all the Market btc and everthing.

We need to take money from whales the wall street fat guys or we dont play this game here.
But most of you are happy when big whales rob you.
Dont Let them Rob you dont read news it's all their manipulatsion let's make agreements together when we sell when we buy yes i know whales got a lot money to make Market to move but If we take all the people together we can beat them.

So today nobody dont sell until i say becouse today i want to earn money i have long positions taken.
Just dont sell dont disapoint me plz i don't want to lose i want to make crypto trading my own personal money printer that Will printing money for me when i want it.

So let's do it guys 😎🚀💰

Let's get this money homies 💰 dont rob your Local grocery stores come here join with me and let's take the money from the fat BIGs from wall street without gun but by using crypto.

Yeahh homies let's take that cash here 💰

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