Topics on reputation board should not have lock feature

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on April 28, 2024, 03:17:10 AM

Lock feature is not the problem, problem is the people who are not using the feature properly, in fact misusing it. The other person always can create a shadow of the topic when they want. I think it's absolutely fine to do that.

Almost all the features in the forum have ways in which they can be misused by forum members. Take for example;

Self moderation - Could be misused by scammers.
Merit - Could be abused
Bumping - By project owners to find a way to push their threads to the first page.
Lock thread etc

In the end, every feature is vulnerable, it's just for we to learn how to deal and live with the loopholes.

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Lock feature is not the problem, problem is the people who are not using the feature properly, in fact misusing it. The other person always can create a shadow of the topic when they want. I think it's absolutely fine to do that.

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Quote from: KingsDen on April 26, 2024, 03:39:44 PM

Quote from: _act_ on April 25, 2024, 07:16:17 AM

I am referring to this topic: Do not trust @LittleMouse as he is a Liar, a signature spammer and false accuser

Lock feature helps to moderate spam and not to fight scam or lies.
Imagine you raised an allegation against a user and within the first few replies, you understood that your allegations are false, you apologized, but due to your inability to lock the thread, people keep bumping and discussing there.
In the case of the instance you gave above, someone concerned (Little mouse) or some other persons could raise a parallel topic.
I can also create a post to warn people but I don't want discussion there, I'll simply lock it.
So, the importance of locking of thread in this forum is enormous and we can't afford to lose the lock function in any board.

I think what would have been the most probable would be self moderation on that board as it could lead to censorship. This is given the fact that, people could set trackers on there threads and have notifications for new replies, be the first to read and delete if seen to be contrary.

Still, the solution always remains,

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In the case of the instance you gave above, someone concerned (Little mouse) or some other persons could raise a parallel topic.

At this point, the case is been laid to rest!

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Topics on lending and currency exchange boards should also not have lock feature.

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Quote from: KingsDen on April 26, 2024, 03:39:44 PM

Imagine you raised an allegation against a user and within the first few replies, you understood that your allegations are false, you apologized, but due to your inability to lock the thread, people keep bumping and discussing there.

Not in support of the OP suggestion but let say the feature was added by theymos on the reputation board and this particular problem that you mentioned comes onboard, you can simply move the topic to the Archival Board and it'll solve the problem of people still discussing on the thread on the reputation board and if you drop a reply indicating that the thread was a mistake and also edit the OP out with the new update it won't get brought back to the reputation board, if the thread gets reported to be moved back. But this is a long process that can be shortened with the lock button as it is so the suggestion is a no from me too.

Lock feature has it benefits because it can help kill a thread that is attracting spammers after a problem has been resolved. For those using it for their trolling on the reputation board like the user you mentioned, the trust (feedback) system will take care of them.

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Quote from: _act_ on April 25, 2024, 07:16:17 AM

I saw a new topic today on reputation board about Little Mouse. I saw the accusation as false. I wanted to post there but the thread has been locked by the person that posted the topic. The person has also been trolling on MetaWin campaign recently.

Some newbies or someone may just read that his post and think what he posted is the truth about a campaign manager but which is not true. Why should a topic be locked on reputation board? It is about this forum members. Discussion there should be left unlock. Only pinned thread should be locked if need be.

I am referring to this topic: Do not trust @LittleMouse as he is a Liar, a signature spammer and false accuser

Lock feature helps to moderate spam and not to fight scam or lies.
Imagine you raised an allegation against a user and within the first few replies, you understood that your allegations are false, you apologized, but due to your inability to lock the thread, people keep bumping and discussing there.
In the case of the instance you gave above, someone concerned (Little mouse) or some other persons could raise a parallel topic.
I can also create a post to warn people but I don't want discussion there, I'll simply lock it.
So, the importance of locking of thread in this forum is enormous and we can't afford to lose the lock function in any board.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on April 25, 2024, 08:48:51 AM

I do not see why an exception should be made for that. A parallel thread can be created to discuss what was said in the locked thread, and in fact, it already happened, in the thread that JollyGood created about Bitcoingirl.club.

Agreed - it has been that way for a decade, although it was most used during the Lauda era.

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RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE: A locked topic I want to discuss further!

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Quote from: _act_ on April 25, 2024, 07:16:17 AM

I am referring to this topic: Do not trust @LittleMouse as he is a Liar, a signature spammer and false accuser

I refer to what @lovesmayfamilis said.
They and anyone who reads or sees untrue topics or accusations, they can consider and see whether the accusations can be trusted or not 100% trusted.

I'm sure removing the lock button will create new problems on the reputation board, it might be a good idea if the topic of false accusations is moved to the archives based on reports from several members who can be trusted, the evaluation is mod.

Or accusations that are unfounded or unproven, may be removed and sanctions imposed on the topic creator, if the member makes baseless accusations.
For example:
You are not allowed to post on the reputation board, one or two topics you have created are baseless.

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Quote from: _act_ on April 25, 2024, 07:16:17 AM

I saw a new topic today on reputation board about Little Mouse. I saw the accusation as false. I wanted to post there but the thread has been locked by the person that posted the topic. The person has also been trolling on MetaWin campaign recently.

What we will have to consider first is if the other topics made on reputation were not as the same as the one you're referring to, some trollers can just go ahead and make post on reputation causing nuisance, we need to accept that its not every thread that should be permitted there, as well as replies, the only reason i may agree with you is if on the reputation board, OP cannot lock his topic except the moderator, but in any case contrary to this, I've seen members creating their own thread after the one OP made was locked by him, to continue on the same discussion.

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This is one of the reasons trust feedback show up in reputation board. Every user has the right of reply, if the thread where the accusation was made is locked, you can use the trust feedback and flag system (if necessary). It's not worth it changing the forum mechanism cause of a handful of trolls. If it gets excessive, the mods can step in.

I vaguely remember a forum user who did the exact same thing acouole of years ago. Can anyone remember them and what was done about it?

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Having an argument against the OP of that thread will just result to infinite loop of argument since that person doesn’t accept correction for his own point of view. So even if you manage to reply on that post, you can’t convince him to change his opinion because he is always like until he hear what he wants.

It’s better to ignore rather feed him more arguments because he will just come up with other reason just to prove his point. Cheesy

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OP, I want to believe that newbies coming to the forum are not small, naive children but mature, thinking people who have the eyes and brains to correctly evaluate each post. Why does this bother you? But doesn't Little Mouse worry? Maybe because he knows who he is? And when a person is right, you shouldn’t waste your energy on different trolls. Blocking topics in reputation is sometimes necessary in order not to receive mega-flows from some topics, which are sometimes completely irrelevant.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on April 25, 2024, 09:37:39 AM

I would ask moderators to delete his post instead since his post is annoying to read and deserve to be moved to trashcan. If he keep creating a same thread due to his post got deleted, the moderators should give temporary ban to him.

There's no need to even delete the thread because it's locked. On a daily basis, new discussions are going on on other topics on the reputation board. So, it's just a matter of some hours or a few days and the locked thread of @JackpotRacer will get buried in the last pages of that board.

@_act_ bro, I don't support the motion that the "lock thread function" should be disabled on that reputation board. There are some accusations that can be raised on that board, and after several days of delegating on the issue, it finally gets resolved, which gives a need for the topic to be locked, but where there is no "lock function," it means such topics cannot be locked but are left open for trolls. The lock function should be left, but if there is any new topic that was locked while it raises a concern about a particular use and has not been resolved, then it's necessary to go by @Don Pedro Dinero's suggestion ∆^{[A parallel thread can be created to discuss what was said in the locked thread.]}

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You ask the administrators to remove lock feature in Reputation board? I would ask moderators to delete his post instead since his post is annoying to read and deserve to be moved to trashcan. If he keep creating a same thread due to his post got deleted, the moderators should give temporary ban to him.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on April 25, 2024, 07:48:46 AM

I don't think it's nice for users to be restricted in locking threads on any board on the forum.

In a general perspective it is good because a thread getting locked actually stops further spamming from members example of such threads is the ones with questions about a thing, once the purpose of its creation is achieved then it should be locked. I know you will say the posts can be deleted but that won’t stop the bumping of the thread still.

As for this current case I don’t think moderators will actually go over the wish of the OP in that thread to open it. So for cases like this I think it will be best to create another thread redirecting people that one to discuss there and possibly clear things there. If at all a strong conclusion is reached by the members can’t the initial wrong accusation thread be reported for deletion before any one can see it in the future?

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It does not matter. Nearly everyone on this site is an illiterate braindead chlurmcklet, so everything that everyone says (except for me) on this site should be distrusted.

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Quote from: Coyster on April 25, 2024, 08:38:52 AM

This isn't enough to disable the lock feature in the reputation board.

I agree. I do not see why an exception should be made for that. A parallel thread can be created to discuss what was said in the locked thread, and in fact, it already happened, in the thread that JollyGood created about Bitcoingirl.club.

On the other hand, in that specific case cited by the OP I think it's almost better that the accuser has locked it, as I think otherwise there would be a few people trying to talk sense into him and him responding with his usual aggressive rubbish, as he does in other threads on a regular basis.

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whether or not there is a function to lock topics is not that important. The forum member who created the thread should do it wisely and more maturely.
Even though the accusation thread contains relevant evidence, if it does not intend to receive feedback from the person accused or from other members regarding the case and the evidence presented, the thread may have no value.

there is no one-way discussion unless we get it in the sermon forum.

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This isn't enough to disable the lock feature in the reputation board.

I would be surprised if anyone is going to reach a conclusion about a particular user, based only on the information they found in a locked thread. They can basically check the trust feedback of the user who was accused wrongly and that of the user who made the post, and if still in doubt, they can create a new topic and ask questions.

The lock function is so important, when the discussion in a thread is over or an issue is solved, it should be locked and buried under the new topics.

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Anyone that takes jackpotracer seriously should only do that at their own detriment .. Dude is a retarded spammer! A type that would raise irrelevant cases and arguments just to get to you. ^{[and if it does, you're certainly not thick-skinned]}.
I saw what the clown posted on the campaign thread - it's nothing more than his usual exegerrated, plentifully coloured cookie-cutter post..

Back to your request, I think we still need a thread lock feature ^{[some MODs have special powers and, unlocking a thread is one of them, should there ever be a need]}... Otherwise, an awful thread like that would barely spend the next few days on page one..
Lastly, always do well to use the "report to moderator" button as often as you can.

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Well I think you have a point, yes it could be concerning when discussion on the reputation topic gets locked by OP immediately after posting it, especially when it’s a disputing claim against any member.

Open discussion is crucial in these situations to ensure that all sides are fairly heard. If the thread is locked and the OP is known for trolling there will be no way to clarify or post your point of view.

I think theymos should consider this situation and possibly reopen the thread to allow for a fair discussion.

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I don't think it's nice for users to be restricted in locking threads on any board on the forum. If he really is lying forum members would have long noticed it and definitely they will end up just ignoring both the Op and the thread in general. However if it was very necessary for such a thread to remain open, definitely a moderator would open the thread back especially if he broke a rule or something.

In my opinion I have personally come across many posts on the reputation board accusing certain user. I have come to notice sometimes that people who raise such threads sometimes are not doing it to clean the forum of spam users but rather because the hate that user for some personal reasons. And in my opinion doing something like that is just outrightly childish.

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I saw a new topic today on reputation board about Little Mouse. I saw the accusation as false. I wanted to post there but the thread has been locked by the person that posted the topic. The person has also been trolling on MetaWin campaign recently.

Some newbies or someone may just read that his post and think what he posted is the truth about a campaign manager but which is not true. Why should a topic be locked on reputation board? It is about this forum members. Discussion there should be left unlock. Only pinned thread should be locked if need be.

I am referring to this topic: Do not trust @LittleMouse as he is a Liar, a signature spammer and false accuser

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