Topic: topman21 scam my 40$ help me (Read 1663 times)

You've always been a coordinated and reputable influencer member in the forum. I always see how you always encourage members with merits whose posts are worth merited in the local boards.
That really feels convenient for beginners to build their accounts without feeling sidelined of being ignored to merit their quality posts.
Something those that buys accounts in the forum fails to understand the contention of appreciating oneself in building and account from scratch.
Anyone who buys a forum account will never appreciate it because they don't know the tasks involved.
The Op also need to be sanctioned of violating the forum policy because buying an account is illegal and impersonation.
Like you said, let it serve as a lesson to him and the rest but though still feels pity for him because a $40 could be a $1,000 to some persons like the poor people in my place considering the economy and the devalued of our currency.

That whole post of yours is very confusing man. How do you prove that scum and his team are behind all of this just to set a trap for you in which you fell? I don't see from your post history that can even remotely points your account towards mine as an alt. I don't know if you are trying to hide something behind some other's scummy behaviors. I've got your dm a few days ago but after reading this whole thread I'm shocked that you would make up that shit. Or what else?

I will say more: while these two heroes of the whistleblower threaten to catch the swindler, he, knowing that he is now being controlled, will be very attentive. I said earlier that LDL has alternate accounts, but it's not forbidden, and it's very hard to corner someone who knows they're being followed. Among other things, in the local branch of the LDL, there is clearly a transfer of merit to increase ranks, but apparently, several clans cannot reconcile with each other.

I have been following this thread from the start and didn’t say anything because everything about it looks suspicious and it’s kinda difficult to say what’s what in this situation. I don’t think you have to repeat your posts to be heard. Notscam420 is also doing the same on this thread, repeating evidence linking LDL to other accounts. It’s tiring to read guys, we saw your previous post, and frankly that’s not enough reason to close the case. The OP clearly wants blood and notscam420 claims to have some dirt on LDL, I’m waiting to see what they come up with.

I believe this is the thing that happened here. I will apologize if they can prove me wrong and later discover that LDL really tried to scam them. I am not sure if any of you guys paid attention to my previous post. I will repeat it again what I said in my previous post.

Topman was not in the forum for the last two months; how did you get his telegram account? Let's say you got his telegram from his bounty post. @OP, How did you know he is selling a full member account? Don't tell fairy tales!
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Moreover, You said $40 is big money for you. When Yahoo suggested, you give your Bitcoin Wallet and get the money from LDL. You denied it and said you don't want the money back until this is solved. What was the issue here? The issue was someone scammed you for $40. Now it is found that $40 is in LDL's wallet. If you were a real victim, you should be more than happy that you are getting back your Big Money! If you get the money back, the issues should have been resolved. But, it seems this wasn't the primary purpose. Or was it?

Answer me one Question only. How did you know Topman is going to sell an Full member account while he was not in the forum for last two months?

Good observation.  Xavi20's English was like;
Don't cheat me;
I am a very poor person;
Back my btc;
Don't lying to to me;

Lolx... I said it, that one if not all of them wants to confuse the community but I assure them that eyes are on the accounts now. I doubt LDL will be able to come out from this unstained 

This is not me trying to side with LDL or Xavi20 (because of the suspicion on LDL seen by other memebers), I have read from page one to this thread down, and I have seen that no one mentioned the thing I have noticed with Xavi20.

On the telegram messages between Xavi20 and Topman21, Xavi20's English was not well constructed, but after he created this topic, all his replies had a different tone and his English was more arranged.

I don't know if anyone noticed the difference. I just feel Xavi20 tried to frame LDL, but the case is not clear enough to know if he (LDL) is saying the truth. But my pa-pa would always say to me, "Dr. Nothing is ever hidden under the sun." So, if LDL truly has some carcass in his cupboard, it will one day be exposed.

Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

I think you did not understand what I said. Let me try it again.

Check my profile, you will find a BTC address which is bc1ql847ly3a0kaw6zhscc686a3lv7ve98qgay8422

Consider, somehow you [notscam420] have great anger against me and you want to do something it to downplay my forum reputation. OP [Xavi20] is a good friend of yours or may be OP is you [notscam420=Xavi20]. Both of you made a plan:

Create a fake conversation where Xavi20 will ask a btc address, notscam420 [pretending a forum member who have accounts or anything that is good to frame me] send Xavi20 my BTC address which is easy to find. Xavi20 sends the money.

Very simple and seems effective too in short term.

While you guys or you yourself is doing everything to ensure I am trapped, I have no idea what is going on.

Now the next phase of the plan.
Xavi20 creates a very similar topic and accuse me I am a scammer.

My question.
Do you think I am really a scammer?

Give short answer as yes or no.

if you have done it, then your case is finished. you can lock this thread. LDL has also previously been charged with possible multiple account connections. if anyone wants to expand on the LDL case I feel the need to create another thread that will be more appropriate for the topic. while your $40 case, is now done.
I would not support LDL in this case, there are suspicions against it. as well as the scenario that you provide. now you have got your money, and now you can focus on your new account.

Yes, he is. Look at his posts. Do you believe he is a newbie in this forum? Someone is a newbie who wants to buy a Forum account from Topman21, which has been inactive for almost two months. I am curious how OP knows that Topman21 was selling a Full member account when Topman did not create any sell thread. Topman was not in the forum for the last two months; how did you get his telegram account? Let's say you got his telegram from his bounty post. @OP, How did you know he is selling a full member account? Don't tell fairy tales!
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Moreover, You said $40 is big money for you. When Yahoo suggested, you give your Bitcoin Wallet and get the money from LDL. You denied it and said you don't want the money back until this is solved. What was the issue here? The issue was someone scammed you for $40. Now it is found that $40 is in LDL's wallet. If you were a real victim, you should be more than happy that you are getting back your Big Money! If you get the money back, the issues should have been resolved. But, it seems this wasn't the primary purpose. Or was it?

Thank you for the compliment but I think I am far from being one of the best investigators. If I have not pronounced myself yet it is because I see what look to me like many alts accounts in this thread and I do not see to what extent there may be hidden interests. I think, in fact, that the best thing would be to lock the thread and if necessary open a separate one for LDL, but it is up to the OP because I don't think the moderators will lock it.

I see that LDL has a neutral tag already and in my case, if I tag him my tag will be negative, being alt from someone we can't trust, topman21. But as I don't have it clear, I don't act.

Hmm.. What an interesting case but thank God its finally resolved but some parties doesn't seem to think so and my only suprise after reading this post was that I didn't come to see two of the forums best jury and investigators @jollygood and @pokerplayer would have been nice to hear there own opinion on this matter.  

Yeah but the connection with LDL is not clear. The writing style can be close enough because there are more than 7 billion people in the world and a lot of people will have a similar type of handwriting.

Agree with you that there is too much circumstantial evidence and not enough direct evidence. However, for me this is enough to assume topman21 and Rigon are alt accounts:





There is no logical way to explain this other than topman21 is Rigon. Rigon just happened to post his application using the exact same data as topman21, who shortly thereafter altered the application and then deleted it altogether? No, there's zero chance its just a coincidence.

The excuse given by topman21 here is very feeble and matches the feebleness of the excuse Rigon recently provided as to how he is the original owner of his account (he is not).

The evidence tying in the other alt accounts is less straight-forward, although it is somewhat compelling.

Yeah, it's that easy to make someone fool, defame someone without any effort but only a small amount of BTC sent. Also, the return of BTC is guaranteed.

So, why don't you post all the proofs you got from your secret sources? Instead of asking others to check/investigate, please present it yourself because it seems you are more interested in this case than anyone else, even more, interested than the thread creator. Please go ahead and post your proofs from secret sources. Don't ask others to present it.

topman21/LDL was scam my 40$. However, it was later returned after being caught. I don't want to say anything more about it. But one thing is a scammer can never be trusted.
I have taken your advice and i have created a new account and am now busy with my new account.

LDL's name has been reported before and it was by lovesmayfamilis. Are you implying that lovesmayfamilis is a highly reputable forum person and has a personal animosity towards shit posters like LDL?

Connection Between LDL & Rigon : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5277020

Connection Between topman21 & Rigon : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61496460

Connection Between LDL & topman21 and scam $40 from someone : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62341712


Connection Between 8 account including LDL, topman21, Rigon : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5277020

All these accounts are controlled by 1 person and I have come to know through secret sources that he has more several alt accounts. He himself exchanges merit from his alts accounts and build accounts and join signature campaigns with all accounts and sell accounts many times. this is truth. you can check it by yourself

Interesting case. So if someone send BTC to the address I have on my profile and then he posts a lot of screenshot having conversation on Telegram or discord on a topic about me scamming $40 or $400 where I have no idea what is going on then everyone will start telling me I am a scammer? I don't know how many people are upset and against me on the forum but that will be an entire new level for me to defend myself.

@LDL, I hear you but it's hard to tell which side is real and which side is making up stories. May be someone else found a nice opportunity to fool you both?

Op is trying to confuse the whole community but it won't last so long until everything is discovered. I have this strong feeling that there's a hidden truth that needs to be told. Either LDL or Op knows it or both.
We shouldn't forget easily that topman21 was account that was bought not long ago and it was bursted. It could be that the drama is between Topman21 (or LDL according to address link) and Op.  Just speculating.


Your story didn't sound factual although.


Can you provide evidence where LDL harmmed topman21?

Good catch man. LDL is trying to make a lot of plays here.  But again and again the plays he made are failing. and the audience is not liking it. He says that Topman21 carried out a planned attack to harm him. but a little investigation reveals that Topman21 is clearly the alt of LDL. it is very interesting

Yes, the incident happened here that a thief steals hard all night. and then left the stolen goods in the house of a reputable king  

When you weren't under pressure, you could create better stories. You don't have any proofs that the Kakatua group believes you are invincible49.

Topman21's marking by lovesmayfamilis as a sold or hacked account in July 2022 has evidence.

Topman21 was purchased or hacked to punish LDL? Topman21 punished LDL by sending merits? Topman21 punished LDL by making it its favorite to send merits? Topman21 once more punished LDL by sending $40 six months later? What a clever way to exact revenge.


You were busy. Is this the reason you accidentally gave an address associated with LDL?

It seems among all the people on the thread you have the most interest. What is motivation you so much. You have no history on the forum, nothing to care for but still you are too keen to find something or to be precise too keen to see LDL is down.

Answer ?

Topman21 Bitcointalk account is inactive but telegram account @topman221 is always active. So can't scam with Telegram?  Where his account is already worthless.  And he forgot to give one of his wallets which he already used one time in LDL account. because it was not a regular wallet used in LDL.

@topman221 telegram id status : https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/03/wztiw.jpeg

Thanks sir ... I always follow your advice. May God bless you and your family.

You're just fueling the fire by responding to these people. I get that you want to dispute them, but unless they post some solid proof of connections, you should just let this thread die. You repaid the user who sent funds, it's over.

Xavi20
Please explain...you are new on BTT. You saw his post on bitcoin forum .
Come to the points.
topman21 last active April 09, 2023 about more than 53 days ago.
https://ninjastic.space/user/topman21

Last post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62049556

But your account just created 26 May 2023.
Please tell me what Topman21 post made you decide to buy a Bitcoin account.
Topman21 has posted about such account sale somewhere in the forum, can you give some details?

Also, why didn't you share the username of the telegram account of which topman21 you contacted in the screenshot please?
topman21 just used below telegram username in various projects/bounty projects...

1. @topman221
2. @topman21

See ref: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62007229
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60321300

Share the Screenshot username of the account you are connected to.

topman21 put his telegram username and bitcoin address in different proof of authentication .You have contacted different fake telegram account without contacting the given telegram account. It's all your trick and you premeditated your plan to put me in danger. I strongly protest and condemn this.

ok ok. then to be honest tell us. topman21, Rigon is not your alt?  

Note : something special is coming for you. How many alts you have, all will be taken out. Shit always pops up.....

I always wonder why you always avoid my questions and post like a drunk.. Lol

He is very suspicious. Besides he didn't want "big money" back, he made all this show first which looks very strange. If we'll look at the transaction he provided for proof of the payment it is a payment from an exchange account (what is clear from the screens as well), so we can't trace his own address. If we'll look at the chat correspondence we can see that he asked to refund his money not giving an address — to where did he want to get a refund? To an exchange address? Looks like a staging. And when he finally gave his address here for a refund we see that it is a totally new address not to be traced.

I don't know about LDL, but what I see doesn't look like proofs to be sure in any guilt on him. Specific style of writing of 2 is natural for Bengali and some other languages in Indian region so it is hardly an evidence of anything.

The entire situation is very strange.

It takes minimum six months to become a Sr. Member. Depending on activeness, it may take longer. LDL account seems familiar about Reputation and Meta sections. At least ninjastic statistics proves it. He must know finding a used address is just matter of time.

If the address was given by real LDL say just by mistake, he would immediately delete the address and give another one. His excuse could be easier just by saying I gave you a wrong address, please send btc to this new address.

I don't know what's really going on here. But I've been reading this thread from last night. I think there was another reason before this case happened. The first post from notscam420 is LDL linked account, it's not normal for a newbie in the first post
I think there is a personal grudge between them, this is not something that can be resolved on forums. They seemed to already know each other, so there was animosity between them

edited: I think there's something about notscam420 that it attacks LDL so much. I think everyone who has ever been wrong can change, if LDL is accused of having another account, that's in the past, but I see his reputation is good now. That's more important

I support LDL

Xavi20 took the initiative to buy a bitcoin account through a scammer's telegram contact but why someone gave the account address of an active senior member and you immediately sent bitcoins without any verification and within 1 to 2 hours of sending bitcoins you again asked for bitcoin back.  ্্

Xavi20 First asking for bitcoin refund, later I (LDL) Yahoo62278 came to know through personal message and taken decision to refund bitcoin. But later Xavi20 changed his style of play. Later if Xavi20 post bitcoin address I give bitcoin back to that address.

Here tx: 41cd90f5888210e4503cd8c7061e86d4a60e94ded56cefd4870c0b5e5ffc9fc5

From my observation, I still doubt how a Newbie who is barely just a week old on the forum will know of a board called "Reputation" where issues about scam complaints are been discussed/deliberated if he/she is not an alt account. Because for the fact that O.P registered his on "May 26th" and the next day being (May 27th) he went about sending messages to random high rank members of the forum is a clear he must be an already existing member of this forum who knew how the forum works and trying to buy an alt account to maximise his earning just as stated in the chat between him and the seller.

What's happening in the forum? Every day you wake up and see new drama on the reputation board. We end up fighting each other and criticizing others for their opinion. At first, It looked like LDL was guilty of doing something. There is no proof that Topman is LDL. I am curious how OP contacted Topman. How did you find his telegram? Did you give them his telegram handle in the forum PM? If so, Share a screenshot, please. I have some questions.

1- Why will someone nearly a Hero member rank scam someone for $40?
2- The address topman telegram account gave to OP was publicly posted in the forum. If it was LDL, Why would he give the same address to an account buyer? I guess he spent enough time in the forum to know that anyone can search for the address and check if this address was used in this forum. It's easy to find the address owner through Ninjastic.


Op said $40 is a big amount for him. But, When LDL offered him back his money, He denied it and started asking questions.


Huh? It's a big amount and now you don't want the money back until someone ruin his account. What was the purpose of creating this thread? To get your money back? Or something else? looks like he was ready to accuse LDL and waiting for someone to figure out this is LDL's Address. How does a newbie with one activity before this thread know where to create a thread and not make any mistake quoting everyone perfectly? He might be sharp-brained and understand everything very well.

I feel OP is part of the scamming group and trying to ruin someone's account.

I hope I am wrong.

Quoting it.

Anything is possible in Bitcointalk.

Bro..
My only question is why someone offered to buy an account on Xavi20's telegram and immediately he agreed to buy an active account without any justification. Moreover he agreed to sell the active account for only $40. Topman21 from fake telegram gave someone else's address and you sent dollars to that address without any justification. I will say this again as always if I had an alternative account with Topman21 why would I waste my good account for only $40. Which I've been getting from a signature campaign every week.

The whole stuff sounds like a framed-up story for retaliation.Anyone can claim to be someone they are not on telegram just to make sure they get at someone who once got them hurting years back. 

According to LDL, this is what he thinks led to the frame-up.

Unfortunately, LDL was on their list to get back at. I can't say whether the story LDL tells is the truth or not but whichever way, this sounds like a framed story to me just to get back at LDL

A very beautiful story. It beats the movie. but you may not understand that there is no logic in this post. you did this to avoid everyone noticing you. and let everyone ignore your scam and discuss the old story. nothing can be proven true with such a story. your post has no evidence of any connection between me and the victim with Kakatua, Small Rabbit.  So I don't think it is logical to say anything random without proof here.



ops man maybe you forget that there are money alt connection Between topman21 not only me   I want to help you by giving you some topman21 alts.  I want to help you by giving you some topman21 alts. Let me put bamboo in my own ass  

Proof 1 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61501027


Proof 2 :

Connection Between topman21 & Rigon



I will help you with more proof very soon.  Can you accept them?  
Note : i expert my previous question ans from you. kindly ans please

Hi @Xavi20,
Buying or selling accounts is against the terms of service of most platforms, including Bitcointalk, and can lead to various risks and scams. Here are a few reasons why buying an account is considered a risky practice:

- Violation of terms of service.
- Lack of control.
- Potential for scams.
- Security risks.

Note; It's one kind of Scam Accusation.

Special thanks to @yahoo62278, @Little Mouse, and @LDL Vai to give him a positive response to getting back his lost money. Also many many thanks  @Cuenta Alternativa, @Don Pedro Dinero, @hugeblack, @Cantsay, @Onyeeze, @8rch7, @Ultegra134, @hugeblack, @Dunamisx, @T3PR00T, @ Ultegra134, @Solosanz, and others.

Why have I been framed?

I will tell you the whole story of this plot, so you can easily understand how I was framed here.

The incident happened a long time ago when a manager named "Kakatua" was running a forum project with his multi account group. Then a famous user of my Bengali community "invincible49" introduced the Kakatua group as a multi group. And their accounts are given negative trust for the offense of multiple accounts.
Since then, the "Kakatua" group has developed a grudge against invincible49, and the revenge of that grudge is the current event.

The Kakatua group didn't stop after getting feedback from 34 other accounts including kakatua. From then on began the "SmallRabbit" management fraud. Their journey could not go far. Invincible stops them from cheating and destroys the entire group by putting them under a penalty.

Since then he distanced himself from Bounty Manager and started his journey with a bought account "Smartaction" and he started working on a reputable campaign. But even from there invincible49 caught him and managed to get the account back to its original owner.

In each case invincible49 then plays a role in delivering the cheating cycle.

Now the bottom line is that the cheating cycle has been repeatedly damaged by invincible49 but in no case they have been able to retaliate.  As a result, the fraud circle later compared invincible49 to me and started thinking that I (LDL) was personally invincible49 (Now inactive) and they took a kind of invisible revenge on me with their created group (nitscam420/Xavi20/Topman21....). Forcing report and sending a planned $40 bitcoin (to my LDL address) connected to (Topman21) report which was all their planned plot or animosity.

I have a request for you to think about it. If I (LDL) were multi of topman21 could I self harm myself. Actually I am caught in an invisible web of deception. Please think about it and then decide. I am waiting for your decision.

Proof :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54059655
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54075994
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54403983
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54448749
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57621003
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57633244
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57640947
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58402850

Kakatua(34+ accounts)
SmallRabbit
Smartaction
Topman21 (Dramatically destroyed this account just to punish LDL and Invincible49).
notscam420
Xavi20

All his schemes have been betrayed by invincible49 and he wants to take invisible revenge by thinking of me as invincible49.  Kakatua/Xavi20/SmallRabbit/Smartaction/topman21/notscam420 has proof of hundreds of scams in the links above.

lovesmayfamilis said he know about this guy as well and about his all activists, alts etc. he will be here soon with strong evidence. we should wait for it.

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You have not intentionally linked your topman21 account to LDL. you have done this unknowingly because it is very difficult to run multiple accounts at once and build them all separately. you went to scam with topman21 account because it was red tagged account. but you forgot to use Hughes account that you used this wallet once in LDL. so you got caught. now after being caught, you is arranging various kinds of drama. that's why you don't have any valid and clear answer and you resort to many excuses

This is a very complex issues, we all knows the truth but because there's no way account will be connected without any relationship between them either by from same locality. Maybe from one group, because I believe too well that there are lot of people who were introduced to this forum through a friend, brother and so on but due to their ignorant one might send funds to each other thinking is a free place without knowing they are endangering themselves.
The truth is from some post shared here you would know there is something phishy about the whole story but I am glade he LDL has refunded the op.
Sometimes you need to very mindful

Well, I haven't tagged you because I see reasonable doubts and the only tag I can see in your profile is a neutral one, so it doesn't do harm. Even if you get just one or maybe up to two negative ones it will depend on Hhampuz's judgement on the case if he lets you stay in the campaign. But just as I have reasonable doubts on one side, I have reasonable doubts on the other, just by your explanations I cannot know that you are innocent.

Sir I will tell you something whether you believe it or not, you must know the truth.

If I (LDL) and Topman21 were the same user, would I (LDL) have harmed myself? I almost lost my account as a hero member. Why should I use my own account which is already entered in the campaign of Hhampuz reputed manager sir. I told all my true story to my community's biggest trusted user Little Mouse brother. I know you won't believe me right now. But the truth is that I was just a victim of a conspiracy. Analyze the matter more deeply with your wise judgment and protect me from this conspiracy.

I still don't know what else you are trying to get here op, your Money has been returned please kindly lock this thread as I don't think anyone would be interested in continuing this discussion. You can maybe continue your chat with him on telegram if you so want to speak with him and consider locking this thread okay

You have been given very good advice above and another colleague has repeated it. I wouldn't have done it, as it's easy to find out for yourself and I'm not in favour of making it easy for those who want to cheat on the forum from the start to make money.

However, I see that you are not following the good advice you have been given, which is that now that you have been returned the money, you log out, forget about this account and go on with your life.

If LDL has cheated the community will take care of him. He's already have a neutral tag so far, and the problem for him is that it is not the same to create an account again if you are a newbie like you, than if you are a Sr Member who is monetising it like him, as it can take you at least 10 months to create an account again and start getting paid the same amount if everything goes well.

You got caught cheating so returned the bitcoins. If you could hide the crime, would you decide to return them? why did you tried to deceive me? I want to know the answer from you. I will forgive you on my behalf but I am curious to know what is the secret behind your deception.  please tell

Hello Xavi20 here your funds..

Tx: 41cd90f5888210e4503cd8c7061e86d4a60e94ded56cefd4870c0b5e5ffc9fc5

Good Morning

Sorry for the delay reply. i was sleep Because here was night. I agree with you and I am giving my bitcoin address here to get my bitcoin back.  But my question is where, there is clear evidence that the recent LDL by the name of topman21 stole my money, will he have no punishment here?
Here we can see that a person called notscam420 has given clear proof that LDL is totally connected with topman21 and he has been doing various activities in this forum with Hugh account.  But here I was cheated and I was given red tag but topman21/LDL was a thief and everything was forgiven.  what kind of judgment.

Here is my Bitcoin address : 33cvKN2B3nrntP3uYA1eVGfqiQtCK6xRuG


Such incident may happen again with someone else so it needs appropriate punishment. I am a newbie so you guys know which one would be better.  I leave it up to you.  But do something so that no one else who sees this incident dares to do such a thing. Thanks for your visit and oversight

I do frown at the idea of having to buy an account but if we're to be logical following forum rules there's no illegality in the purchasing of an account only that the forum discourages members from doing so. And I sense that part of the reasons for that among others is to encourage originality amongst forum members.

As for the young man that has ended up falling victim of account sell scam I believe you have all it takes to build an account of yours from the scratch wether you're poor or not isn't an excuse, it's just quite unfortunate that you had to lose money that you don't even have. A lesson learnt!

Huge, there are different kinds of drama in Bitcointalk, but stumbling on this post has exposed me to a totally different and new drama.
An address was used for scam, the address was rightly funded and has been in use and we are saying about someone wanting to ruin his reputation?
Well, LDL would have escaped this but more evidences and connections are unfolding.

Another drama is a newbie wanting to buy account, got scammed and was lucky to get this money back Obviously the luckiest person I have seen in Bitcointalk.
Even yahoo62278 had to tell him the process to start again with a new account. Indeed BTT is now very lenient and accommodating. I remember how tough it was in my newbie days.

Coins should be returned to original sender, BUT that doesn't mean everything should end with that.

This address was used several times so I am assuming this is not the first time someone pretended to sell accounts.
I think there is zero chances someone would intentionally pick exactly this address posted from LDL, especially since he doesn't have any reputation in forum like he claims and he exchanged merits with topman21.
This is obviously one of his his alt accounts:


https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=LDL&from=topman21

Sorry for ruining someone religious day, but this is clear evidence of multi-accounting and probably similar scamming cheating behavior.

Please don't tell me he participated in Pizza contest as well?  
Oh wait a minute, he did ^{someone want to check hand witting styles?}:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62316058

I tried to go through LDL's post history to see if he's active in bursting multiple accounts and scammers here in the forum, because that could be one of the reasons why someone would want to try to ruin another person's reputation here in the forum for some kind of a petty revenge or so.

So from everything that has transpired here today, it is possible for someone to just go through my profile pickup of the addresses I have posted here in the forum, create two telegram account named it "Cantsay" and then forged a conversation as if I went into trade with him adding the address in the conversation (just as in Op) and then deliberately send money to the account, This could be what possibly occured here.

It's kind of scary if this hypothesis was to be true, about scammers forging proof to get you tagged by others.

Why is it that scammers often take refuge in religious proclamations when exposed?  Insha'allah you're are telling the truth, but I'm sorry to say that when I first saw this post I suspected you were lying.  Then notscam420 posted some very compelling circumstantial evidence, and so did lovesmayfamilis.  If you'll notice neither of those members are in my trust inclusions because I often think they are over zealous in their search for cheaters, and I tend to be very cautious and distrusting of their reports.  In this case, however I think they might be on to something. 

The way you reacted to the pumpkin carving accusation compared to the way you're reacting here are very different, almost polar opposites.  From one extreme to the other, but both reactions point to guilt.  I don't see any compelling evidence to justify a red-tag just yet, but I'm starting to believe you deserve one.

After a little thought, I think that @OP should get his money, so I stand with Yahoo's comment.
Follow these instructions, post your refund BTC add, get your money, and create a new account if you want to continue in the forum.



As for @LDL, I think that something strange is happening, but it is not the appropriate place for such discussions. Either someone creates a new topic related to this story, or the current proof is sent to the campaign manager.

Reputation   do you know what is reputation? who know you on the forum. only some of shit poster on your local board like you know you.You just make some shit post and up your rank quickly by taking merit from your other alt accounts, it's called reputation?

Op already post the txID so you don't need to post it again. just explain how did it happen. you are completely connected with topman21. I have already post a valid proof.

Your words are true. But you can trust me and I have never learned to be complacent in my education. If I have ever adopted a dishonest way, God himself will judge it. And please bless me so that I can serve bitcoin forum as honestly as you in future.

That doesn't mean anything, because it counts the time even if you are logged in without doing anything on the forum and you have your computer open doing other things. In the last few weeks you have made about 25-28 weekly posts with this account, which is the average that most of us do. That gives you enough time to manage an alt or two if you have a job, or lots of alts if you don't have other jobs. I have a 40 hour a week job and it gives me enough to manage two accounts, counting that I have a few things going on in my life apart from work and my time on the forum.

You may have looked at me with suspicion from the beginning but you are very experienced and wise so how do you believe I can manage multiple accounts with so much time spent on this account. It is definitely impossible. I always believe in honesty and I never take dishonest path. If I ever take a wrong path, I will surely get the punishment for it.



I have spent over 34 days with this account in just a few months. If it takes me so long to manage one account, how do you believe it is possible for me to run multiple accounts?

LDL, you see the truth come out against your will. I said you were a scammer from the very beginning of the pumpkin contest, and you really are. You have spawned your alternate accounts by passing merit to your alternate accounts in your local section, and now that you can't handle them, what are you forced to sell?
I know you're lying, but after I caught those early accounts, I know all your new accounts, and I'm waiting for the hour when you're wrong. Shit always pops up.

You could have established the fact that its topman if you only send him a confirmation message account here, this is the established procedure to check if the one you are talking to on telegram is the right guy on the forum, but unfortunately, you missed it and you failed to establish the connection.

You just take the fund move on and learn from this this is all you want to get your money back aren't you asking for help?

All three accounts mentioned by OP have different problems but it would appear OP just made everything up in an attempt to frame these three users. For what reason I don't exactly know.

Of course anyone could pretend to be topman21 on Telegram, or any other user. There's no proof that this is who OP was talking to, if he was even talking to anyone besides himself.

@Xavi20 this is the solution to your problem:


I would say no other actions should be taken at this point.

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Edit: I didn't see the post directly above mine. It appears to contain some interesting connections. I will go back to sitting on the fence on this one.

It took a while longer to post because I thought about this for a long time and did some investigation. I find a lot of similarities here with topman21 with LDL.  I'm posting some evidence here so you can check it out a bit.


1. Connection Between LDL & Rigon



2. Connection Between topman21 & Rigon



3. Connection Between LDL & topman21 and scam $40 from op



4.
Connection Between 8 account including LDL, topman21, Rigon



Note ; I think this whole scam is true. topman21 resorted to scam because that account was already plagued with multiple red tags.  So that account is kind of worthless. so even if you wear a new Red Tag on that account, nothing will happen. but because a person uses multiple accounts like Hughes, he might forget that he used that wallet once in an account called LDL. but here he is trying to get innocent by giving it back because his scandal is exposed. so I think there should be a more fair investigation into this

@Xavi20 You used my username and claimed you pay for buy this account. But the matter seems strange to me. Because I am actively working in the forum. In this concern, you made a wrong decision by purchasing the account and with out observing anything details you pay that is completely your fault.

Account sales are not illegal but they are discouraged by the community. What that means is, you can engage in the activity, but the community may tag you because to most of them only scammers buy accounts. Don Pedro is 1 who dislikes account sales. He is allowed to tag you (I wouldn't. I rarely tag account sellers) if he wishes.

What you can do Listen very closely is

a. Post your btc address
b. Get a refund
c. log out if your account
d. make a new account not in any way related to the 1 you are on now
e. go on with life

This is the easiest way for you to go as having multiple accounts is allowed and not discouraged. Since you are not banned, this is acceptable. If you wish to pursue fact finding on LDL you can at your own leisure.

If anyone ask any explanation then only topman can answer but we all know he is not going to drop a single word.

So let's not exaggerate it with imaginations. Once LDL refund, it's solved.

Did you mean only an user with 2500+ merits or already been in this forum since 2017 are allowed to leave a red tag?

An user without any post, merit or activity could become a DT member as long as there's a DT1 member include his username. There's no solid rule which one can leave a red tag, any user including you can leave a red tag too.

It's subjective, you can say $40 is big, but some people can say it's small because they can earn it for working in single day.

Because the goal of this case isn't to earn money.

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I wouldn't draw any conclusion, but this case is quite interesting, it's still in a grey area.

LDL and I were typing almost simultaneously, but my response was posted a few minutes later. Certainly, there isn't enough evidence, but it's not that there isn't any proof regarding LDL and the conducted transaction; this doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. Why would someone try to ruin his reputation, while the Telegram messages show a great similarity with how LDL is writing? Another user is claiming that it's an attempt by someone on their local board to defame him and another user, but there's no proof of that. How do we know that it's not a network of scammers blaming each other and then proceeding to say that they've been framed? Why would someone who's trying to frame LDL send money to his wallet, since it can easily be returned? He could impersonate him in plenty of other ways.

I'm not sure, but the whole situation seems sketchy enough, and no evidence is easy to discover. The OP should at least receive his money back and turn this into a valuable lesson.

Don Pedro  Dinero  has a negative tag on my profile.  Which I don't think is fair at the moment.  He gave me a red tag because our conversation and my post mentioned that I went to purchase an account.  Don Pedro Dinero tries to undermine the content of this topic with this Red Tag. doing because even senior members hugeblack & yahoo62278 are not deciding to tag me yet. then how can he jump to tag me.
I am a newbie so I won't get any fair trial. Does this scandal seem too trivial to yours?

I can't see anything LDL has left to explain. A matter about which he doesn't know at all, what he can explain further. The address was posted publicly on the forum. Anyone can send the address to anyone else. That doesn't make the address owner scammer, nor the address owner has an explanation here. What would you tell if a scammer sent your address to me claiming that it's his address?

Both Dmriti64 and LDL is from my local. To me, it's an attempt to defame LDL and Dmriti64 or either one of them. LDL has shared he doesn't know anything. He is also ready to send the fund back to the original owner. That's the best he can do and he is ready to do so. I don't think there's anything left until further investigation.

My first impression after I read the whole topic and his last response, was the same. It seems he is the part of the pre-planned scam.

OP, LDL is ready to send you the fund back. Give him an address here and get it.

Unfortunately, you should have had the seller pm you on the forum so you could show some sort of interaction on the forum and a connection. Anyone can be anyone on telegram. There are a ton of threads addressing users impersonating them on telegram. Yes, it's fishy that someone would use LDL address instead of their own to take the money, but we cannot prove he isn't telling the truth and someone is trying to frame him. I'm not saying I do or do not believe him, there are so many damn scammers on this forum, but no proof so no accusation will come from me.

Connect the address that received the money to an address topman posted on the forum, then we have something to go on. Otherwise, you mentioned $40 was a load for you. Take your money and pursue the case, you refusing a refund could look fishy in some eyes. Maybe you're a part of this elaborate scam? See how accusations can just fly?

 

Hey, the thread is less than 2 pages, please read replies before posting.

I agree with you. I will not take the money back now.  Until we get a clear solution to this problem. I have some personal questions

1. Why a person can use LDL wallet address to damage their reputation.  Where $40 is a large amount.  And no scammer wants to miss out.  So I don't think any way a scammer would send $40 to someone else's address.  I want a clear explanation of this. Because if we ignore it as a simple problem, someone else may face a bigger financial loss in the future

2. Why is LDL only excited to return btc without explaining anything here. and he seems to think it's a common thing

Does not add up, why an escrow where it's clear if op post an address then everyone will see the refund transaction.

You have also made a big mistake for trusting someone you just met on a platform and engage dealing your money with such user, you're already behaving like a novice without being exposed because right from reading your story first paragraph, it all tells about the kind of person you could also be, secondly being a newbie and you've already got batched with a negative feedback, which is also an indication that you've been involved in some things you're not expected and merging your profile together with your experience will give a perfect match o the kind of person you are by yourself.

I am waiting for Xavi20 BTC address for refund BTC...

Of course I will post here tx and screenshot of proof.

To try and save the OP some $$$ as it's only $40 I have asked the OP to post his btc address in this thread and for LDL to send directly to his wallet. No need to send money to me then me to OP and lose more in fees for him.

LDL can quote the address and post a txid for proof.

Someone send me BTC by damaging my reputation and I obviously refund him .

But why did he ruin my reporation?  I know nothing about this.

Here hash of transaction: bd17673364e3247eb57d8853aa4ff024a0926d7afbd789a1142d99e7a046085d

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Of course I refund 40$ but not directly scammer address.

I will send BTC in escrow address...

Can you explain more details? How can someone use your address to ruin your reputation? Has your wallet been emptied, or is it that $40?
It's a strange coincidence, so try to explain in detail, otherwise you will be accused.

LDL responded here and to my PM. At this point we cannot prove anything except and account on telegram gave his address and money was sent. He might be the account seller and he might not be. He could be telling the truth and someone is trying to nail him to the wall. Cannot say 1 way or the other honestly.

I advised him to pm the OP and refund the money minus transaction fee. OP will lose a few bucks but learn a valuable lesson.

What are the chances of LDL not being associated with this Topman21 guy or actually being the scammer himself? I don't want to make any assumptions yet, but why would someone share the same Bitcoin address? It seems sketchy enough for me to call it I guess we should wait for his response before confirming something.

Regarding the OP now, I'm sorry, but there's a decent chance that you won't get your money back. Your logic of purchasing an account while you recently signed up on the forum is flawed, to say the least. This forum isn't a gold mine, and you aren't supposed to take advantage of the opportunities it provides. There's no shortcut to ranking up; do it at your own pace, proving your worth. Now, you've lost your money and the chance of actually ranking up in the future because your account is now tagged. It's against the rules to purchase an account. I don't agree with you being scammed, but your way of thinking betrayed you and got you burned.

Alhamdulillah. Today is our holy Friday Jumuah here. I was busy in namaz so I could not reply you in time. Hope I will reply you.

bc1qah37sm35g509yjs00g4ddyjxtvwcfvqc42h4w2ku9p6uzeazssxqldjdau

The above address is mine but today someone sent 40 dollars (BTC) using my address.



But surprisingly someone has used my address to destroy my reputation. I know nothing about this.

So far @LDL has good reputation in Bitcointalk forum and we need his clarify about why his address linked with topman21, we know who is topman21 and he was got negative reputation in this forum. But has possibility with the scammer linked or use @LDL BTC address and its good for refunding later. We can't make unilateral decisions after BTC address linked with @LDL and actually we need his waiting respond, hope OP can get back his refund.

By the way, fund $40 still in that address and don't worry for OP maybe topman21 used other BTC address without any permission yet.

Very interesting indeed. I'll send LDL  a PM just in case they aren't using notification bot. Looks like they have been online after you posted this message. Also the transaction has 26 confirms and we can see the money hit the address and is still there. Maybe a refund is possible @OP. Will be interested to see their reply.

IDK if they have a "good" reputation but they don't have any neg tags currently. When I think of good reputation I tend to think of members that people recognize and trust, not just members with no trust history.

Thanks bro for your nice investigation. that means someone called LDL stole my money.  LDL is related to topman21 or are they the same person. I will request topman21 / LDL to refund my money.  Because buying account on forum is not legal so i will not buy account anymore.  So I want my money back and request them not to scam anyone like this.

This is my first time to read of buying and selling of bitcointalk account transactions and how it went, I will blame the buyer because you have seen already that the seller had many red tags with different issues and he went ahead to make  a deal with such person, how do you think that something good will be out from someone is on red trust @ yahoo62278  said that buying account is legal but it should be done out of forum, that's good, but it's better for someone to build account my itself than buying from someone, what of if the account propose to buy has committed  already and linked to other accounts that is been use for scam, and after buying the account the account still receive tag because of the previous tags, its better to build your own highest you can stay be in forum before your grow to full member is six months, I'm using myself as  example

So you came to bitcointalk ND the first thing you tried to do was to but an account, that's what one gets for involving their self in a shitty business, I doubt you'll get your money back tho, because the accused account has already been nwg tagged so more won't bother him again, except he receives some flags.

I just searched the wallet address you provided and I was shocked to see that it was connected to a different account, I search scanned Blockchain.com to see if the wallet had only one transaction history or more and to also try to check if I'd see any connections with Topman but unfortunately it was connected to someone else.


@LDL I believe you're using a notification bot, pease your attention is highly needed here in this thread, we need clarification as to why your address was used in their chat.

This case has just become more interesting...

In your opinion, what are the reasons that would prompt a member to sell you the account for about $80, when he could collect that amount within two weeks? And continue to make more profits.
Logically speaking, this is illogical, so everyone who sells these accounts is either useless acc that you cannot participate in signature campaigns, or they are linked to scam.

Sorry for losing your money, but consider it a lesson for you to learn better. post in English board or your local board and continue to post for several months. If you do not get merits, PM me. If you find that you are posting accepted posts and add a value to your local community, I will give you some merits.

Not everyone agrees with what I'm about to tell you, but trying to buy an account, or sell it, encourages spam and scams. In your specific case it makes me distrust you because instead of doing things as they should be done you have started in the forum trying to cheat the system, to get faster to earn money, which shows that you only care about money in this forum.

With a good use of the forum, money should be seen as a complement to the activity you perform in it, which should entail a certain enjoyment when discussing bitcoin and related topics.

I was interested in buying a high ranking account to earn some money through signature campaigns.  I'm new so not fully aware of the forum rules it's a crime to buy and use an account here. But a big loss taught me a lot. I am very disappointed now.
I lost my money which was scammed by someone from this forum but I still don't understand why I was red tagged.

There's nothing you can do. You shouldn't have tried to get around the system and start out with a full member account. You should have just built an account on your own. Your $40 is gone sadly. Hopefully you learned a lesson, buying accounts is not illegal but most do not condone it here.

I sent bitcoins to   bc1qah37sm35g509yjs00g4ddyjxtvwcfvqc42h4w2ku9p6uzeazssxqldjdau  this bitcoin wallet that Topman gave me on telegram. I am devastated now. what can i do now. 40$ is very big amount for me. Because i am now in bitcoin

That is cheating. And I wouldn't be surprised if you end up getting some nice red paints on your profile because of it. Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have to cheat, because we have many poor people in the forum that acting in an honest way have managed to earn money with signature campaigns and other activities that is above the average salary of their country.

Quoted your message so the images pop up. Now, btc mods don't moderate scams, so you won't get help from the site. Secondly, we do not know 100% that you are actually dealing with the user topman from this forum. We see the name, but anyone can use that name. Give more proof and you will get his account tagged from DT.

**EDIT**

Just took a look at topman account, you decided to engage in a trade with an account that is already painted negative. You should be careful who you deal with and use an escrow if you can find 1, especially in account sales.

topman21 scam my 40$. I am new on bitcointalk I saw his post on the forum and contacted him on Telegram to get some help.  At one point I was interested in buying a full member account from him.  Our contract was 80$ he blocked me after I paid 40$ earlier.  what can i do now  help me  How can I get my money back?

topman21 profile - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/topman21-365922
He wanted to sell me an account called Dimitri94 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dimitri94-3417917
Btc address : bc1qah37sm35g509yjs00g4ddyjxtvwcfvqc42h4w2ku9p6uzeazssxqldjdau
paid amount : 40$ BTC
txID : bd17673364e3247eb57d8853aa4ff024a0926d7afbd789a1142d99e7a046085d
Blockchain explorer : https://explorer.btc.com/btc/transaction/bd17673364e3247eb57d8853aa4ff024a0926d7afbd789a1142d99e7a046085d

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