Topic: Totally made up story on the gambling section that I want to analyze. (Read 462 times)

Don't worry, you look very nervous, nobody is going to tag you here, first and foremost me:



Your story is not mathematically impossible in the same way that getting a million tails in a row by flipping a coin is not impossible, but it is so improbable that you won't see it in the real world even if you live a million lifetimes. In the same way, for someone living a modest life in Nigeria to have a winning streak like the one you described has a probability of 0 of occurring by mathematical approximation. If we add to this the fact that according to you what he earns gives him enough to buy Iphones and move to a better neighborhood but he decided to save on prostitutes and hotels  , something that only came up in conversation when I questioned the story we can see that it doesn't add up.


Well, the thing is that it is a shitpost that is not easily seen because of the lenght of the story. An elaborate shitpost, that after this conversation I see that maybe it could contain part of truth, and he exaggerated it. I wanted to explain my reasoning to see what others thought about my argument as to why the story is false and the only one I see who defends it is Fivestar4everMVP with which I reaffirm that I am correct.


Yes, but just because there are many made up stories I will not stop questioning them, on the contrary, if I see one that looks like BS to me, I will call it BS.


Yes, that's the conclusion I come to, that the story probably has some truth to it but it was greatly exaggerated.

I think the time has come to lock the thread.

I was about saying the same thing, the issue of fabricated stories aren't just issues of the gambling board but all boards of the forum. If you visit Bitcoin discussion, trading discussion and that of the alternative discussion, you'll see this stories and people responding to them without thinking of questioning the stories they just read, and we all know why that's the norm. I'm not pointing fingers to the user that they're accusing of his story been false or not as I wanted to verify that myself (but I can't because that thread is too big for me to read) and I believe I won't learn anything benefiting to me since such discussion aren't of my interest.

Another thing I noticed is the users been accused coming to defend himself (that's very unlikely by spammers only posting to get paid) maybe he might has exaggerated some information but he mightn't be telling a total lie although I'm not in a good positive to give out such judgement. Another thing, why are we taking the gambling section serious thought we said the board is full of spammers so what do we expect from such board, obviously majority of stories on the board will be fabricated. For the fact that the so called gamblers on the board aren't gamblers what did we expect?.

Haha,
Funny enough, I've been looking forward to your comment here, I appreciate your coming sir, and your comment isn't far from what I expected..

Bad English?, oh yeah, what should I do now?
Apologize for coming from a non English speaking tribe? Or apologize for not being as educated as you are?
And do you advice I start using chatGPT to proofread my article before I post them? For better English?

Anyways, poker player didn't accuse me based on bad English(according to you), his accusation is based on his personal opinion that the story I shared is fake.

And yeah, we all are chasing something after all, money is important to keep body and soul together, and as well take good care of our families and relatives, but Merit - Na Na, those who decided to merit the post in question did so on their own free will, I did not beg for it.

And no matter how good a post is, it will sure be a shitpost to somebody, or some persons, most especially, on this forum, I do not worry myself about this anymore, I just do the best I know I can..

And lastly, poker player did blowtorch my ass so bad 🤣, I can't even sit well, wonder where he learnt to do this so well 😅😅..

I guess my question is...  Who cares?  Most of the nonsense on this forum spouted by some of the highest rated DT members is total made up nonsense.  Of course random sig spam threads are going to be full of word vomit.  I guess for me to even have the slightest care about this occurring, I would need to know why it matters.  Is there a victim?  Are lies being told that damage the reputation of another person or entity?  If so, then what we have isn't making up stories, but libel being committed by someone and that shouldn't be tolerated (but is tolerated here at the highest level under the guise of free speech as a result of laziness and not wanting to handle things like an Anarchist or Libertarian but instead directing people to the police).  So again, who cares?  Who is the victim here?

That's got to be a candidate for understatement of the year, my man. 

I skimmed through the OP of the thread in question, but my mind went fuzzy as soon as Fivestar4everMVP started relating the details of whatever went on with his supposed friend.  The English is bad, and I just don't care to read shit like that if I don't have to.  But Poker Player, you called him out in that thread, and it didn't go unnoticed.  If this were some serious BS that had negative implications for the community or something similar I'd say definitely start up a new thread in Reputation to discuss it.  However, Fivestar4everMVP's post just seems to be a whole bunch of bloated blather, no doubt to earn some money in the stake.com campaign and perhaps some merits (which he did).  IMO it's basically just a shitpost, and shitposts--whether made up stories or not--don't need threads of their own.

Good job blowtorching his ass for being a fibber, though.

With all due respect my friend, just rest...

What is all this accusation and arguments all about? Is it just to earn more merit? Or to appear like the hard working user on this forum? Are there no other ways a user can earn merit without having to try to unjustly destroy another user's reputation?
What exactly would you have gained if I was tagged due to you wrongfully accusing me of a fake story here? Will stake have given you my position in their campaign to also join with your current position on unijion.? What exactly would have been your profit?

Because, your argument is totally baseless to me..


"Very rarely" does not mean "very impossible" my friend.
What does the word "rare" mean in English dictionary?


There is no mention of impossibility there, which means, that some thing rarely happens, does not mean it does not happen, it just doesn't happen often or commonly..
I do not blame you though, because for several times, I've heard testimonies in church that I found really hard to believe it's true, but do I walk up to the alter and announce to the entire church congregation that the testimony the testifier shared is a lie simply because I find it hard to believe? No, I rather keep my doubt and disbelieve to myself than accuse someone of telling a lie when I am not even sure if the testimony is true or false.

And in conclusion, I hold nothing against you, I only wished you used this time for something more meaningful.
You reported the thread is no big deal to me, and if mods decided to lock the thread, it's still no big deal to me, because there is never a time I was expecting that the thread be open for ever, what is more important to me is that the message is passed, and that is to not make gambling your only source of income, or let it take the place of your day job or business..

How you argued so much about the story being fake, and didn't even mention anything about the message the story is preaching 🙄.

I didn't.


It doesn't matter.


There will be prostitutes and certain hotels that are cheap from a western point of view, but the average income is also lower in Nigeria. Also, Iphones I don't think are much cheaper, and you say he bought two. Or are you going to tell me they were third hand and worth $50 each?

Then you also say that he moved:


and I don't know if you are going to tell me that move to a better place cost only $10 difference, but I have searched about rent in Nigeria and I see expensive prices, being one of the first results this one:


I'm not trying catching up stories in general, I took a stroll through the Gambling Section and I happened to read the story you made up.


Okay, so you are conceding to me that the story may have some exaggeration or imagination in it.


It cannot be demonstrated but it can be falsified, as happens with scientific hypotheses. When the story is based on a winning streak that is so improbable that it borders on mathematical impossibility, and contains a lot of inconsistencies about lifestyle, like cheap hotels and cheap prostitutes but buying Iphones and moving to a better neighborhood, it is false.


Yes, peace on my part too, but don't try to make me swallow the story, I don't care if those who have commented on the 11 pages of the thread have swallowed it, or even stopped to think about it, just writing to meet their quota.

I reported it to be locked btw, but I see that the report is unhandled at least for the moment. I see no point in keeping that discussion going beyond 11 pages.

I wanna thank you very much for mentioning me in your comment, my attention got drawn to  this whole fake story thing by you mentioning me here, how I missed this from the onset, I can't really tell, but all the same, thank you very much.

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Now to @Poker Player

First thing first, I wouldn't have had the balls to give you a reply here if truly the story you complained about was made up, and one thing with me is that, I don't even know how to make stories up, if I did know, I would have been creating new topics every single day, or may be multiple times in a day.

Secondly, how did you miss the fact that we do not reside or come from the same country? Harlots and hotels might be expensive in your country of residence, it is not so in mine, I come from Nigeria, ask other Nigerians on this forum, things might be expensive over here, but trust me, with as little as 500 to 1000 naira ($0.654 to $1.305), you could get for yourself a clean prostitute for short term which is between 10 minutes to 30 minutes, depending on the agreement between the both of you, and note, this does not mean that there are no expensive ones, but this ones reserve themselves for the money bags.
And again, with as little as 5000 naira ($6.27) , you could get for yourself a single room in local hotel where you are allowed to stay 30 minutes(maximum), if you wanna stay much longer, you pay more - and this again, does not mean there are no expensive hotels.
And like i said before, you ahead and ask another user who is living in Nigeria..

I am really disappointed that in your quest to (should I say) catch made up stories, you don't even seem to know a story that is truly made up.

Personally, on my end, I might have maybe failed or inaccurately explained somethings not actually as they were or happened, it does not mean the story is fake, and remember I said in the post that, I am not close to the person in question, even though I referred to him as a friend on my post, so note that most part of the story was based on what I was told by someone who I've always seen around the said person.

In my comment on the said post, I already told you I owe you no explanation, because if wanted one, you would have pmed me rather than bring your wrong assumptions to the public , my explanation here is in respect to every other forum members following this topic, and what other way can a story that is more like a personal experience (that is not in the news) proven? I did prove it If I know how, or you guys tell me how..

Peace.
It's the first time I'm being accused(based on my post) on this forum, and the first time I'm accused wrongly.

You have a point @Fivestar4everMVP may have gone overboard on this one based on your analysis, but he is very active in creating discussion I always see his name as the thread creator on many discussions, he may have been very imaginative in his approach on the subject, I don't think he deserves a tag, it's not easy to create a new discussion in gambling section because almost all topics have been covered.
My advice is for him to go straight to the subject and try to link an article or a piece of news I still recommend that he continue creating a new topic but be more realistic in his approach.
Just my one-cent opinion.

How do we go further finding the real truth of the user and what if such person is bounty hunter who is only looking for a ways for their quota instead of contributing immensely to what the topic and thread is saying. From my greatest knowledge, here is community and whomever could cooked up their stories and post in other to count as constructive post or contributions, sometimes if I found such stories I don't mind report them or just skip the post in other not bother myself with their troubles.

I'm curious about how the moderators handled your report about the thread - but my guess is that the moderators have simply ignored your report by going unhandle even though they "might" have been aware of it. I'm still seeing the thread open till today and maybe some of the sentiments about the thread aren't quite right.

Also about neutral tags - I can't decide on that yet as it seems to be a gray area for for me. Spammers and shitposters aren't that much different, but only if it's a single post - then maybe he doesn't deserve the tag.

We cannot confirm the credibility of these stories, the creator of that thread didn’t respond to this one or PP’s reply on his thread. I have read the thread in question and I understand the points raise by PokerPlayer, I’m going to go ahead and play devil’s advocate and say it’s possible to have consistent winnings in three days, the amount however may been exaggerated but what’s a good story without embellishments. I think he was just trying to pass a message of spending wisely.

Pretty much 2 options.

1. Make a reply on the thread: though it'll likely be drowned in the sea of replies, those who are genuinely interested in the thread/topic will see your reply.

2. Create a separate thread on the Meta/Reputation section: do this only if the person you're trying to refute is pretty much in the "scammer" territory and you need to maximize visibility.

Really? So, with your expertise in value analysis in the Gambling Section, what value do you see in a fabricated story that a poor person spends two months spending like a multi-millionaire, including sleeping with different women in different hotels, supposedly due to gambling profits?

As someone that is active in the gambling section, I have seen stories that people think are makeup stories especially those without reference for an article but when checking the post I check what the message is trying to get across or what's the point of that thread I can forgive if the story is not that fully accurate as long as the topic is worth discussion and the substance of the discussion will add value to the section.

I'm afraid sometimes you won't possibly have people around you with the same motives like you do... Most peeps posting in the gambling section only do so for an increase in post count - I don't even think any effort is added to post in there.
.. about makeup stories - I've seen alot in there .. the most impossible but fascinating stories are simply made to incure traffic to a single Post. Those dummy-heads only feel they can spam the whole day on trofo's thread - haven't you observed the traffic on jollygood's thread too?? Can it be compared?? _{I mean, he's ever ready to swoop his gears and hurl them fine paint on shitty-head posters anytime he feels like}

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Yes, they are.


I do remember that one, yes. In the case at hand, at least it's an elaborate story, that if you don't stop to read carefully you don't realize it's BS.


I've just reported it, but I don't think it's a matter of reputation, at least for the moment, because it is just one case. It's one thing if you catch someone who constantly makes up stories, but for a single post I think it's not even worth a neutral tag.

I have read so many made up stories here in the forum. Some of them are so obvious and annoying that you would question yourself how on earth people will believe the fairy tale.
I have tried more than  twice to prove that those stories were made up, it is either my comments got fast buried or no one will listen my side . I therefore learnt to ignore, especially if it's not a story line building up to scam.

You already summarised what happens most times in your reply to the post here
Some managers will require their signature participants to make upto or more than 50% of their posts in the gambling section and would still complain when they post in gambling mega threads. Maybe the solution to that problem is to make up stories and start a new thread

Ignore the thread if you believe it is completely fictional and it is not our responsibility to convince all forum users that one thread or two created by other users are really like fake stories.

You can of course report the thread to a moderator without having to ask how the community or other users rate the thread, but if it's an attempt at fraud in any way - then I think reputation is worth playing with.

Fairy tales and inventions are always an integral part of the Internet. Especially here on the forum, the person who creates such fantasies understands that he does not bear any responsibility. People can pretend to be anyone and be millionaires, but in fact, every day they do bounty companies. Remember the history of Uche6215? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62081957
For me, it always looks very funny. Presenting fake stories and not being who you are is like admitting to yourself that you are not as lucky as you would like. It's a pity for such people.
If you think about it, we often come across invented stories here on the forum and people who regularly lie more than we think. Sometimes, when a lie spills over the edge, I see that it is possible to give a neutral review since a person who lied once will lie twice. A neutral review will be a good warning that waiting for the truth from a person is an empty exercise; you need to believe him at your own peril and risk.

I tend to agree it looks like a made up story.

Sometime there are many useless thread in gambling section. I remember someone say if he has a sign of an addict and want to quit gambling, but he wear a gambling signature that force him to active in gambling action.

It is made up story is an abuse of the forum's rules? there's no exact rule about fake story, no one need to worry if he create a fake story because they will not get banned or negative trust (people might argue it because they think it's harsh).

Put the user on ignore list is an individual solution, maybe the @OP is looking for a forum solution.

To me as long as it's not a scam promotion, request for donations, abuse on the forum's rules and regulations, or any form of unacceptable manner or behavior, i will suggest you leave such individual and only report the thread to the moderator, why i said so is that once the thread had being reported, the moderator has the right to either lock the thread, move the thread or even delete such and if action on any of this is taken, you have succeeded in dealing appropriately with the thread creator in a more professional way.

You don't have to begin to argue yourself with the user on what he's saying, i believe there are more experienced and exposed users as well on the forum who could see to the issue and judge from their opinion, with this I will also suggest putting the he user on ignore list if he consistently post lies about the reality of things, you may never have the opportunity to see their post again once on your ignore list.

Thanks for your answers, but the one that convinces me the most is the one from nutildah. On other occasions I seem to remember calling it BS myself or seeing it from other people to a story that seems clearly made up but doing it on the front page, where it has more visibility.

I guess I'll do it later and take the opportunity to report the thread by putting my explanation as a link.

I locked the thread but I thought better to unlock it, in case someone wants to read my reasoning.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62283971

You should just handle it this way. Chances are the person who wrote the story won't even see your response as shitposters rarely look back to reflect on their work. But at least it will be part of the official record, regardless of whether anybody bothers to actually read other posts.

If something more was at stake, like they were making up lies to sell a product or service, then it would be more of a reputational or even scam accusation matter, depending on the severity of the lie.

How about a new thread in the same board it was posted with a link to the original discussion?
Since you plan to analyze the thread and not the user, reputation seems like the wrong place to do it and the discussion might not be relevant for meta.

This way, you have users of that board discussing a gambling related topic, and a higher chance of reaching people that would have interacted with that thread.

I fear whatever you do people would keep spamming said thread.

- Jay -

If you have something to prove (which is not about the forum, admin or moderators, related to the forum, which not like deletion of posts and something's like that), you can do the analysis or report on reputation board, that is one of the reasons the board was created.

It would have been better if you have made use of this thread to report it instead of asking questions. If it does not belongs to meta, it would be moved. There is nothing wrong for a thread to be moved to the appropriate board.

If you do not have enough evidence, do not report the topic because it wouldn't likely be a waste of time to report it. If you have a valid reason but not enough to proof anything, see it as a waste of time too.

So, I took a look at the gambling section and saw a thread that is based on an OP that is simply false. What is told in it does not stand up to the slightest rational analysis.

I would like to detail it and I have been hesitating where to do it. I have thought about the Reputation section but it would seem too tough against the person who makes up the story I think and I've been known to be aggressive enough lately. I have also thought to call it BS in the same thread but the comment would be lost on the umpteenth page and people would keep spamming the thread no matter what.

Then I have also thought of doing it in Meta, as it is a meta-reflection on that thread the analysis I plan to do, but here I'm sure someone will tell me the typical thing that I should just report the thread, but I don't want to just report it but analyze it and see what the other forum members think.

What do you think?