tracing a wallet provider from an address

HCP

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It may not have been scammed. What I was asking was whether you had sent the coins to an account on an online service.

Generally speaking, a lot of these services use a system whereby you don't have access to a specific address/key pair. They say "your deposit address is XYZ"... This doesnt mean the address is yours, or stores your coin. any money you deposit is then simply credited to your account balance (effectively a number in a database, no longer linked to your initial deposit). When it comes time to settle your account (aka you want to withdraw some or all of your available balance), they simply send the required amount from any address they own (ie. could be someone elses deposit) and adjust your balance to reflect this.

So while the coins you deposited may have been used to settle other users withdrawl requests, theoretically they can use other peoples deposits to settle the requests. (assuming the site isnt a scam and the owners arent stealing coins)

If you deposited 10 BTC, your account should reflect that fact... if it doesn't then it is either due to the change to this paymium thing and is a mistake, or you could have been scammed.

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Paymium's latest reply, now included in https://softbyte.co.uk/_dwnload/paymium.txt
now finally admits they are connected with bitcoin-central.net. But it's looking like the missing wallet is hosted elsewhere and if HCP is right it is probably on a scam site and has been emptied.
Thanks to all who have responded. The prize for recovery is still 5 bitcoin but it's looking increasingly unlikely to be found.

LeGaulois

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paymium.com = bitcoin-central.net 100% correct

They wanted to bring together their Bitcoin market place (Bitcoin-central) and the company that publishes this service (Paymium SAS) under a unique brand: Paymium. The change was in June 2014. The customers BTC adress are dynamic and not usable after 7days

But they have nothing to do with bitcoin-central.com wich is a scam site

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Thanks for the extra info.

I have never gambled on line with or without bitcoin, nor even used BTC to buy anything. I definitely didn't spend the coin. If the coin has been spent then it looks like I've been scammed. But if I've been scammed it is odd that they didn't move the coin immediately in September. Perhaps they were waiting for me to put more into the wallet.

I have a brief note that I wrote for myself when I made the payments into the missing wallet, along with some login information, and I think this must be the location of the wallet, though it wasn't the clearest of notes and I wasn't sure.
The web address that I noted down is bitcoin-central.net, and I also noted one of the addresses of the missing wallet :- 13J4Ly36hyVDyWT37fqJUm5vRCyiqengQ1.
I haven't found a way to contact bitcoin-central.net. Their site now has no contact info and no login page. Whois.com shows an entry but the contact email address bounces back.

I googled bitcoin-central a few months ago and found a link between them and paymium.com. The login details that I had noted for bitcoin-central.net enabled me to log in to paymium.com, and it even showed me my bank details. However, paymium.com don't admit any connection to bitcoin-central.net or the possibly unrelated bitcoin-central.com, and I get the feeling they are not wanting to answer my questions properly. I have uploaded our correspondence to my own website as a plain text file, including a question (a repeat of a previous question) that I added just now.
https://softbyte.co.uk/_dwnload/paymium.txt

HCP

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Thanks for the response.

On 2017-01-07 I sent a 3 payments from my MultiBit Classic wallet, each of about 0.0002 BTC, and one of these payments was to 17E1RFS13uBRraXFSPuQ1dA937d5HTyyEk. The purpose was to see if they appeared in a third wallet that I still have control over. They didn't.

I didn't send or receive any more payments after 2017-01-07, so I can't imagine how it shows something happening on the 12th. It's strange also that it shows a payment of 10 BTC split into 9.4 and 0.6. Beyond me.

I just tried to log into virwox using the name and email address I always use for this kind of thing and requested a new password, but it didn't recognise my email and name. Their website also didn't look at all familiar to me.

HI-TEC99

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Quote from: [email protected] on June 02, 2017, 11:18:12 AM

The movement of BTC to my lost account was 23 Sept 2016. And only several months later I realised the account was lost.

I looked in blockchain.info - and found my transactions, but there was no info about who is hosting the wallet.

One of the addresses is 17E1RFS13uBRraXFSPuQ1dA937d5HTyyEk. I don't know what the public address is.

Was the account from virwox? Walletexplorer shows virwox in the results for a search of that address. However it only shows it sending 0.6 BTC to virwox on 2017-01-12.

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0bd7c3ef042c6cee?from_address=17E1RFS13uBRraXFSPuQ1dA937d5HTyyEk

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The movement of BTC to my lost account was 23 Sept 2016. And only several months later I realised the account was lost.

I looked in blockchain.info - and found my transactions, but there was no info about who is hosting the wallet.

One of the addresses is 17E1RFS13uBRraXFSPuQ1dA937d5HTyyEk. I don't know what the public address is.

The transaction ID for the 10 BTC being sent to the above address is 2815a91d91c38d1b32ac30802164ca9c49104b0e9b4e84995e7989af661075d2

MultiBit Classic shows this info about the transaction:
2815a91d91c38d1b32ac30802164ca9c49104b0e9b4e84995e7989af661075d2: Seen by 1 peer. Appeared in best chain at height 431,150.
from 1BRB9fPjABjzTHVDG8Bfpy5fQgKDMNBCEL / outpoint 081623f751032c6b46d22f2a4dc3fa2f2ae5ffbc5c9eeb8ca2cd68581f21bfee:48
from 1FCiZMjUE396oYT9W7H4ayAa8nnas75AbL / outpoint ea2b2110908b3433f2ce7d4c207f447122a77c91e634d38a8b363ca2e8ae236a:1
from 1FCiZMjUE396oYT9W7H4ayAa8nnas75AbL / outpoint 1ed379683e9c32f949c3ec9234900b3498c154253c34e848848b4ac4592942a3:67
from 1FCiZMjUE396oYT9W7H4ayAa8nnas75AbL / outpoint bb3fd09fa70c0d960f19c815bcabd288461fff130ed656efb182cebdbe815292:1
to 17E1RFS13uBRraXFSPuQ1dA937d5HTyyEk 10 BTC
to 1FCiZMjUE396oYT9W7H4ayAa8nnas75AbL 3.892002 BTC Spent by a9d3f26c6744309783d28c6c0ad2a74b2cb26e796408d5cd1cb44358e11726c0

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If anyone enables me to get my wallet back I would be
very happy to award a PRIZE OF 5 BITCOIN.
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cr1776

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How long ago was "long ago"? That might eliminate some.
Did you try blockchain.info? They are one of the longest running ones so it is a possibility. The problem is that they store the private keys on your computer too and do not keep backups, so even if it was them, they probably wouldn't be able to help.

If you have the public address or transaction ID someone might have some suggestions, but that is something of a long shot.

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I have an online wallet Somewhere that contains bitcoin, but due to a computer crash and a separate backing up error I have lost the login details - it was long ago and I can't remember which website I opened the wallet with. If I knew the website I would be able to request my password.

I still have my MultiBit Classic account from where I sent the bitcoin to the lost wallet, so I am able to see the addresses that I sent to and the transaction IDs.

At https://www.walletexplorer.com/ it suggests that exchanges and services can be traced from addresses or transaction IDs. I tried using that site but I wasn't able to see any bitcoin wallet providers retrieved from my address. That site has a link to chainalysis saying that they offer a better service, but they don't reply to my messages.

Does anyone know of any way I can find which company hosts my wallet?

Thanks in advance

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