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Quote from: jozefpinter on November 12, 2024, 05:00:46 AM

This is exactly what I was talking about: "they consistently underperform in the long term, especially after accounting for fees."

Does this mean short-term profits are acceptable? What does long-term mean in this context? A year? How do you backtest your strategy? Did you use a 1/4-hour timeframe or something similar? As far as I'm aware, most trading bots services that I know of update their strategy regularly. It's probably because the market behaves erratically, so long-term strategies don't work. I don't think people would share their secret trading strategy in this forum either so you can only experiment yourself.

In the long term, I mean all the available data. This could be a year, two years, or even ten years. I mostly use low timeframes, such as one, three, or five minutes.

I agree, people won't share profitable strategies with an edge. They will take advantage of them for themselves. I would do the same.

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Quote from: jozefpinter on November 12, 2024, 05:00:46 AM

This is exactly what I was talking about: "they consistently underperform in the long term, especially after accounting for fees."

Does this mean short-term profits are acceptable? What does long-term mean in this context? A year? How do you backtest your strategy? Did you use a 1/4-hour timeframe or something similar? As far as I'm aware, most trading bots services that I know of update their strategy regularly. It's probably because the market behaves erratically, so long-term strategies don't work. I don't think people would share their secret trading strategy in this forum either so you can only experiment yourself.

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Quote from: jozefpinter on November 11, 2024, 05:09:26 PM

I build trading bots. Last year, I programmed hundreds of trading strategies, multiple combinations of strategies, and experimented with different closures like stop-loss, take-profit, stop-market once the price reaches a certain level, opposite signal, different levels etc.

However, when I backtest these strategies on TradingView, they consistently underperform in the long term, especially after accounting for fees.

Does anyone have a strategy that actually works?

You've done a lot that is commendable, but if you've not achieved a good strategy, you will only be wasting your time. It's even worse if backtesting which is not deemed to be accurate when it is even profiting is now making you lose. You need to overhaul the bot(s. Well, I have many trading strategies that work but the simplest one you can try now is the price action or the chart pattern. Just learn it and apply it rightly and also vary it on different time frames. If your bot(s) works well, there is no way it will fail with this strategy.

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Quote from: jozefpinter on November 11, 2024, 05:09:26 PM

when I backtest these strategies on TradingView, they consistently underperform in the long term, especially after accounting for fees.

Does anyone have a strategy that actually works?

Hey, thank you for being honest here. I am sure there should be at least 1000s of people from this community must be making use of bots either by developing their own or bought from a third party still must be facing very much similar problem like you. Because, bots are just programming codes but market fluctuations are 90% emotion driven and 10% technical driven. You can code a bot for technical part but emotions cannot be captured by any mathematical formula which is the core reason for all your troubles.

Still, some bots may fetch you profits but not forever. Market sentiments are changing always and if you are capable of finetuning your bots time to time then you may survive along with your bots. Personally, my verdict on trading bots is like they are helpful only up to analysis phase but final decision on opening/closing a trade should be done manually.

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Quote from: Josefjix on November 11, 2024, 11:16:02 PM

Quote from: BitMaxz on November 11, 2024, 06:58:15 PM

That's why there's a backtesting tools to check if the strategy that we learn can be verify if it works or not since you developing the bot the strategy that you backtested try to optimize them a bit to get a positive result.

There's some premium trading bots that let's you copy other's strategies, like on 3commas and cryptohopper but that's not free.

Are you looking for a script, or are you just looking for strategies?
For strategies, you can check this one: https://chartschool.stockcharts.com/table-of-contents/trading-strategies-and-models/trading-strategies

I was using cryptohopper around September and November last year when the monthly subscription on adventurer packages was $99 and it work perfectly for me but this year February when i subscribed and created a new bot it was not given what i wanted. However, cryptohopper has one of the best features especially the market arbitrage bot.

Quote from: jozefpinter on November 11, 2024, 07:07:50 PM

Quote from: BitMaxz on November 11, 2024, 06:58:15 PM

That's why there's a backtesting tools to check if the strategy that we learn can be verify if it works or not since you developing the bot the strategy that you backtested try to optimize them a bit to get a positive result.

There's some premium trading bots that let's you copy other's strategies, like on 3commas and cryptohopper but that's not free.

Are you looking for a script, or are you just looking for strategies?
For strategies, you can check this one: https://chartschool.stockcharts.com/table-of-contents/trading-strategies-and-models/trading-strategies

I'm not interested in any premium bots or scripts. I can handle everything myself. By the way, I've backtested about 100 times more strategies and their combinations than are on your list.

Have you also tried to used trade santa automated platform? Though you said you are "not interested in any Premium bots or scripts" sometimes those trading platforms save you a lot of time and headaches of creating a script yourself since you back test your own and you don't get the best results. Trade santa has a very low fees of around $18 per month.

but this year February when i subscribed and created a new bot it was not given what i wanted...

This is exactly what I was talking about: "they consistently underperform in the long term, especially after accounting for fees."

Trade santa has a very low fees of around $18 per month...

I'm not interested in any automated platform. I can create my own custom bot(s) where I can control every aspect you can think of. I can run a farm of bots for less than $100/month, and they can trade on all markets around the world.

I just want to emphasize: it’s not about the bots; it’s about the strategy. Once I have a strategy with an edge, I can set up a bot to handle the buying and selling process, running 24/7, always watching the market(s) and ready to intervene. Bot is simply a replacement for a human (or humans).

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Quote from: BitMaxz on November 11, 2024, 06:58:15 PM

That's why there's a backtesting tools to check if the strategy that we learn can be verify if it works or not since you developing the bot the strategy that you backtested try to optimize them a bit to get a positive result.

There's some premium trading bots that let's you copy other's strategies, like on 3commas and cryptohopper but that's not free.

Are you looking for a script, or are you just looking for strategies?
For strategies, you can check this one: https://chartschool.stockcharts.com/table-of-contents/trading-strategies-and-models/trading-strategies

I was using cryptohopper around September and November last year when the monthly subscription on adventurer packages was $99 and it work perfectly for me but this year February when i subscribed and created a new bot it was not given what i wanted. However, cryptohopper has one of the best features especially the market arbitrage bot.

Quote from: jozefpinter on November 11, 2024, 07:07:50 PM

Quote from: BitMaxz on November 11, 2024, 06:58:15 PM

That's why there's a backtesting tools to check if the strategy that we learn can be verify if it works or not since you developing the bot the strategy that you backtested try to optimize them a bit to get a positive result.

There's some premium trading bots that let's you copy other's strategies, like on 3commas and cryptohopper but that's not free.

Are you looking for a script, or are you just looking for strategies?
For strategies, you can check this one: https://chartschool.stockcharts.com/table-of-contents/trading-strategies-and-models/trading-strategies

I'm not interested in any premium bots or scripts. I can handle everything myself. By the way, I've backtested about 100 times more strategies and their combinations than are on your list.

Have you also tried to used trade santa automated platform? Though you said you are "not interested in any Premium bots or scripts" sometimes those trading platforms save you a lot of time and headaches of creating a script yourself since you back test your own and you don't get the best results. Trade santa has a very low fees of around $18 per month.

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Quote from: BitMaxz on November 11, 2024, 06:58:15 PM

That's why there's a backtesting tools to check if the strategy that we learn can be verify if it works or not since you developing the bot the strategy that you backtested try to optimize them a bit to get a positive result.

There's some premium trading bots that let's you copy other's strategies, like on 3commas and cryptohopper but that's not free.

Are you looking for a script, or are you just looking for strategies?
For strategies, you can check this one: https://chartschool.stockcharts.com/table-of-contents/trading-strategies-and-models/trading-strategies

I'm not interested in any premium bots or scripts. I can handle everything myself. By the way, I've backtested about 100 times more strategies and their combinations than are on your list.

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That's why there's a backtesting tools to check if the strategy that we learn can be verify if it works or not since you developing the bot the strategy that you backtested try to optimize them a bit to get a positive result.

There's some premium trading bots that let's you copy other's strategies, like on 3commas and cryptohopper but that's not free.

Are you looking for a script, or are you just looking for strategies?
For strategies, you can check this one: https://chartschool.stockcharts.com/table-of-contents/trading-strategies-and-models/trading-strategies

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I build trading bots. Last year, I programmed hundreds of trading strategies, multiple combinations of strategies, and experimented with different closures like stop-loss, take-profit, stop-market once the price reaches a certain level, opposite signal, different levels etc.

However, when I backtest these strategies on TradingView, they consistently underperform in the long term, especially after accounting for fees.

Does anyone have a strategy that actually works?

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