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February 18, 2018, 05:28:34 AM
#51
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
I think that in order for us to succeed commercially we have to depend on a lot of factors, we must have a specific plan for each market segment and the evolution of the market. If BTC increases and altcoin decreases then you should trade BTC, if altcoin increases that BTC decreases then you should trade altcoin. So we can only trade when the market goes up.
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February 16, 2018, 11:02:42 PM
#50
The price of the bitcoin already $10,400 and I think it will hit 11,000 dollars this day. So better to buy bitcoin now and fot sure your money will grow.  I hope many new investor again will invest to the bitcoin so it will increase more again the price. I think this month or next month I believe the price become $20k . So better to hold your bitcoin now and don't sell it.  Grab it now the price increasing again.


Well, trading bitcoin usually up in the market price because i am purely sell high and buy low what ever the circumstances of the market. This moment having the impressive increases of value of bitcoin were it touches $10479.10 Its a great signs were the recovery of demand and a supply in a market is fully return to its normal growth having a dip percentage of price has been lose when it compare to the current price at the first week of January 2018.
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February 16, 2018, 10:22:11 PM
#49
The price of the bitcoin already $10,400 and I think it will hit 11,000 dollars this day. So better to buy bitcoin now and fot sure your money will grow.  I hope many new investor again will invest to the bitcoin so it will increase more again the price. I think this month or next month I believe the price become $20k . So better to hold your bitcoin now and don't sell it.  Grab it now the price increasing again.
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February 16, 2018, 09:40:58 PM
#48
From daily chart BTC price look like try to the highest price before, so from that chart i can say BTC on up trend now, if you long term trading its times to get it and hold a few month , and if you doing day trading you can maximize the profit by trolling the price.
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February 16, 2018, 02:14:32 PM
#47
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
[/quoteI firmly believe that procreation can be successful business needs a lot of factors involved. If you trade in altcoin / BTC then I am confident that the bitcoin price decreases but the altcoin market will get a lot of profit and vice versa if the BTC increases you will lose a lot. Therefore, you need to consider carefully before making a trade decision.
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February 07, 2018, 03:33:23 AM
#46
One cannot really predict what is going to happen next. Bitcoin going up down cannot be accurately be predicted but one can actually study the past pattern and make some judgment on how bitcoin is going to go up or down. If we can really study the patterns then we can say a little about were price can be at a time.
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February 07, 2018, 03:19:25 AM
#45
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
Well hopefully this month's end BTC price will reach $ 15K again.
I hold some BTC at this time, I start to fret when BTC price down.  Cheesy Cheesy
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Any people are expecting some good news about the btc increase, but there are many prediction about bitcoin. Still, there is no specific guarantee about bitcoin price will reach 15000k$.
Yes indeed no one can just predict the value of bitcoin in the future or to how much extent the value will increase. It is so very common in business world and this is the beauty of any business that it can be highly unpredictable at times. But surely by studying the graph of bitcoin from the past we can assume that the price will rise again but to how much extent, it is too early to say anything about that now.
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February 05, 2018, 04:26:27 AM
#44
In technical analysis by use daily chart of BTC ,look the price in the support level and on oversold already, so i think its time to get it now. In my prediction in a few month the price will back to go up to $15,000.
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February 05, 2018, 04:20:57 AM
#43
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
Well hopefully this month's end BTC price will reach $ 15K again.
I hold some BTC at this time, I start to fret when BTC price down.  Cheesy Cheesy
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Any people are expecting some good news about the btc increase, but there are many prediction about bitcoin. Still, there is no specific guarantee about bitcoin price will reach 15000k$.

Lol hopes have been dashed again by btc today. I don't think there's any small pattern that we can look at right now and the best thing to do is to keep steady and don't expect. I'm prepared hibernate until next month and further if necessary. I still believe in btc for long term but we may not have seen the bottom of this yet
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February 04, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
#42

See mate I think you should stop controlling your mindset from bad emotions and stop behaving like newbie trader who does not know anything about the Trading approach and trading mindset which is a must tool for the traders. Every 500 points down does not confirm the downtrend in strength likewise every 500 rally does not provide us the strong proof of the uptrend in action and so I personally have analysed the market conditions and i think that past bearish trending days are gone and now you can expect the bullish trend to start again and I have started feeling the bullish trend to start by this week which will last for few more months, but I am just waiting for confirmation candle.

He/She already got the answer of question and bought bitcoins, so no need to spam the thread. Go through the replies first. Check this.

thanks for his advice, I have bought btc with the capital I have. Grin Grin Grin Wink Wink
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February 04, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
#41
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

See mate I think you should stop controlling your mindset from bad emotions and stop behaving like newbie trader who does not know anything about the Trading approach and trading mindset which is a must tool for the traders. Every 500 points down does not confirm the downtrend in strength likewise every 500 rally does not provide us the strong proof of the uptrend in action and so I personally have analysed the market conditions and i think that past bearish trending days are gone and now you can expect the bullish trend to start again and I have started feeling the bullish trend to start by this week which will last for few more months, but I am just waiting for confirmation candle.
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February 04, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
#40
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
Well hopefully this month's end BTC price will reach $ 15K again.
I hold some BTC at this time, I start to fret when BTC price down.  Cheesy Cheesy
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Any people are expecting some good news about the btc increase, but there are many prediction about bitcoin. Still, there is no specific guarantee about bitcoin price will reach 15000k$.
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February 04, 2018, 12:29:33 PM
#39
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

The fall of bitcoin ends. Maybe diving one more time and then the growth will begin. Correction of the market is coming to an end. I think that it's not long to wait.

Again there is a little dip the bitcoin price bro. Hope that value recovered in 24 hours. Last year also we have seen that bitcoin value started bumping in the market. Please look into the coinmarketcap and make your investment on the concern coin you wish.
I have seen one image shared in my telegram group and found that Feb 2nd's dip is the minimum level amount in the price chart. Hereafter we will find the bump only more.
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February 04, 2018, 12:22:19 PM
#38
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

The fall of bitcoin ends. Maybe diving one more time and then the growth will begin. Correction of the market is coming to an end. I think that it's not long to wait.
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February 04, 2018, 11:52:20 AM
#37
Bitcoins price is actually unstable and some say it may go down a bit more in the next few weeks or so but I have been expecting this pattern so if ever bitcoin is still going down more then for sure it will be increasing back in no time, I don't think it will go down forever and there are only two ways wherein bitcoin goes to; its either going up or down.
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February 04, 2018, 11:35:12 AM
#36
The current bitcoin price is unpredictable. The bitcoin price increases and decreases very quickly, I see this as an unstable thing because usually bitcoin will experience a stable session long enough. But at this very different time, bitcoin prices change in a matter of hours. So any speculation will be hard to make. This is a condition where we should be able to take advantage of the smallest momentum.
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February 04, 2018, 11:24:40 AM
#35
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
Trading bitcoin or any other crypto currencies are not profitable right now because all the prices are going in red due to many reasons so it is better to hold now to make profits or you will lose your money and don't get panic after seeing these crashes it will be recover soon like what happened in the history before.
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February 04, 2018, 11:19:37 AM
#34
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
It should be better if you wait for it to bounce back or wait for the turning point, if that turning point is continuous then it is the sign that it is going straight but if you see it like a curve line in the chart that means it will not certain to go straight. Happy trading! Grin
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February 04, 2018, 08:01:18 AM
#33
It may still fall down but most probably will slowly rise again in this next few couple of months.
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February 04, 2018, 07:58:08 AM
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The price always depends on the market. The demand will determine the price ofcourse. For now, bitcoin is very unpredictable. Personally, I cannot decide when to buy because from time to time the price is changing. Thought the price has dump already and a good point to buy bitcoin again.

btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
the price still fluctuating  and perhaps the crazy run is not yet over.  Maybe need more days or weeks to start on trading 'cause i have doubts the price will decrease again on this moment , so still not safe ,and you must risk if you want to trade now its up to you mate. 

The price is really crazy. I know a friend of mine who bought bitcoin when its price was almost 20K$, right now her investment has loss 50%. Very frustrating to monitor the price. Lol. But just HODL. This is just a bump along the way. Success if your goal.
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February 04, 2018, 06:05:53 AM
#31
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
the price still fluctuating  and perhaps the crazy run is not yet over.  Maybe need more days or weeks to start on trading 'cause i have doubts the price will decrease again on this moment , so still not safe ,and you must risk if you want to trade now its up to you mate. 
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February 04, 2018, 05:39:50 AM
#30
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
Well hopefully this month's end BTC price will reach $ 15K again.
I hold some BTC at this time, I start to fret when BTC price down.  Cheesy Cheesy
You made right decision when you decided to hold your bitcoins. Price will rise, that is almost certain. But i doubt it will rise up to $15000 this month. I expect maximum price for this month to be up to $11000 . Maybe we will see $15000 in three months or so.

As like last year ,the price of bitcoin is reduced before the Chinese new year .Now the time to raise,the price of bitcoin will reach maximum before the Chinese new year. This is the reason for the price of bitcoin start to raise. So I think the price of bitcoin will reach 15,000$ before this month end.I think this is the best time to inverse in bitcoin and get short term profit.
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February 04, 2018, 05:32:12 AM
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For now I will not focus much on monitoring the price movements of bitcoin because I know it will go higher this year. Instead, I want to focus more on accumulating bitcoin specially when the price is dump so I can have more bitcoin at a cheapest price.
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February 04, 2018, 05:02:08 AM
#28
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
Well hopefully this month's end BTC price will reach $ 15K again.
I hold some BTC at this time, I start to fret when BTC price down.  Cheesy Cheesy
You made right decision when you decided to hold your bitcoins. Price will rise, that is almost certain. But i doubt it will rise up to $15000 this month. I expect maximum price for this month to be up to $11000 . Maybe we will see $15000 in three months or so.
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February 04, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
#27
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
Well hopefully this month's end BTC price will reach $ 15K again.
I hold some BTC at this time, I start to fret when BTC price down.  Cheesy Cheesy
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February 04, 2018, 04:26:47 AM
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Bitcoin has always been this way. It has always gone down and then up again. If you want to invest in it, this is your chance because the price will go up quickly. Buy some bitcoins and hold them until the price grows. That is what I am doing now, I am holding my bitcoins hoping that it will grow again.
If you have doubts, buy a small amount of bitcoins and be patient because patience is required if you want to have a good profit.
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February 04, 2018, 03:50:23 AM
#25
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

I think that stopping today's price of bitcoin will increase the price again and maybe few days more and more times it will decrease.
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February 04, 2018, 03:38:49 AM
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bitcoin will go up now. good news is coming.
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February 04, 2018, 02:57:08 AM
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"There is a rumor Ebay will start accepting Bitcoin as one of the payment options. Ebay dropped paypal as its main payment option. The new payment processor is Ayden which has a partnership with Bitpay."

i saw this on one of the pump groups on telegram. Does anyone about this?. if this is true it'll be huge for btc.

There is chance for Ebay to start accepting bitcoin as way of paying, but i doubt they will abandon PayPal. What seams more likely is that they will just implement possibility to pay with crypto.
If that happen it will be good for bitcoin and its users.
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February 04, 2018, 02:39:00 AM
#22
"There is a rumor Ebay will start accepting Bitcoin as one of the payment options. Ebay dropped paypal as its main payment option. The new payment processor is Ayden which has a partnership with Bitpay."

i saw this on one of the pump groups on telegram. Does anyone about this?. if this is true it'll be huge for btc.


Why would they drop Paypal when it's one of the mainly used payment platforms nowadays? It just doesn't make sense. Anyway, there are still a lot of companies accepting Paypal so this won't really being Paypal down.
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February 04, 2018, 02:32:27 AM
#21
"There is a rumor Ebay will start accepting Bitcoin as one of the payment options. Ebay dropped paypal as its main payment option. The new payment processor is Ayden which has a partnership with Bitpay."

i saw this on one of the pump groups on telegram. Does anyone about this?. if this is true it'll be huge for btc.
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February 04, 2018, 02:25:30 AM
#20
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
After not so small drop, price of bitcoin is rising once again. India's ban of cryptocurrency and panic selling is what made price drop down so drastically, but when things settle down and people see that there is nothing to worry, everything will go back to normal and price will continue its way of rising.

Now is right time for buying, price of bitcoin is low and nice. So if you want to invest into bitcoin now is the right time. Key thing now is to stay calm, and avoid making any kind of emotional decisions. It will not be long before we can see steady price of $10.000.

thanks for his advice, I have bought btc with the capital I have. Grin Grin Grin Wink Wink
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February 04, 2018, 02:12:08 AM
#19
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Who knows in the first place?

It was expected that after a price decrease, the rise will follow. While on the other hand, if the price is rising, a dip always follows. Now on the current price movement if the dip is already stopped, rather than to think of it literally, why not just take a ride of what is happening.

yes it is at this time that place to buy btc and yesterday I made a purchase btc 0.014, hopefully fast ride and can get opit 2 times from my capital Grin Grin Grin

Good thing you able to take the ride. Goodluck then on your journey and I hope it will turned out good.

thank you, I hope so
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February 03, 2018, 05:51:15 PM
#18
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

We will see by next week if the bear trend has already end. It is still weekend and mostly the price of bitcoin gets bump up a bit during weekends and start to fall during weekdays. If it starts to fall on Monday, prepare for another bear week.
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February 03, 2018, 05:02:12 PM
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Area 7950-8250 kept a bear in a strike, but not yet saved. Buy when the bullet pierced the resistance line, look for signals, look at the volumes. While it is necessary to be alert.
Top round resistance 10 000 is a magnet. Those who have money - especially do not want to buy.
Now just exit and consolidation of over 10 000 can start bullish movement
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February 03, 2018, 04:16:43 PM
#16
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
After not so small drop, price of bitcoin is rising once again. India's ban of cryptocurrency and panic selling is what made price drop down so drastically, but when things settle down and people see that there is nothing to worry, everything will go back to normal and price will continue its way of rising.

Now is right time for buying, price of bitcoin is low and nice. So if you want to invest into bitcoin now is the right time. Key thing now is to stay calm, and avoid making any kind of emotional decisions. It will not be long before we can see steady price of $10.000.
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February 03, 2018, 04:08:38 PM
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I also feel happy because btc is now starting to improve, and hopefully Btc returns its price in December 2017
This is 2018 by the way.

No one knows what would happened with the Bitcoin later, somehow it goes down and up but no one can predict what would happened today or tomorrow.

Hope it stops to fall and gets higher than 10k again. We'll see if it'll happens or not. I hope so and I believe that. Because, at every fall there is a floor.
We hope so.
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February 03, 2018, 03:53:32 PM
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According to the information I get and the talk of many people that BTC will go down steadily. but it can not be used as the right information because anything can happen in the world of cryptocurrency.
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February 03, 2018, 03:03:04 PM
#13
Bitcoin will go up if they push the price to the top,
and Bitcoin will go down if they push the price to the bottom.
in other words,
everything can happen with it,all that we need to do is preparing ourself to face it.
there're a lot of threads similiar to this and talked about what will happen and what is going one,
and when people said about something,Bitcoin broke it a part.
what i believe is,Bitcoin will get its momentum in the future even though the price is declining a lot from this point.
it's the future and nobody can stop it,
just bear it in your mind.
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February 03, 2018, 02:27:40 PM
#12
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Who knows in the first place?

It was expected that after a price decrease, the rise will follow. While on the other hand, if the price is rising, a dip always follows. Now on the current price movement if the dip is already stopped, rather than to think of it literally, why not just take a ride of what is happening.

yes it is at this time that place to buy btc and yesterday I made a purchase btc 0.014, hopefully fast ride and can get opit 2 times from my capital Grin Grin Grin

Good thing you able to take the ride. Goodluck then on your journey and I hope it will turned out good.
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February 03, 2018, 02:17:33 PM
#11
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

You will find the bitcoin price fluctuates and then bump continously. Instead of saying bump, we can say it increasing in gentle word. Bitcoin value somehow recovered from today evening onwards. Hope we will find the bitcoin price grows more in the market.
If you want to buy the bitcoins this is perfect time than anytime. In some days you will find the bitcoin price grows more in the marketplace.

yes it is at this time that place to buy btc and yesterday I made a purchase btc 0.014, hopefully fast ride and can get opit 2 times from my capital Grin Grin Grin
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February 03, 2018, 01:50:35 PM
#10
The price of bitcoin is raised again.I was very happy about this.Since I was holding 0.01 btc in my wallet,I will get some profit now.But I won't sell it now,in two or three days the price of bitcoin will reach more than 12,000$,at that I will sell my bitcoin.Waiting for my move.
I also feel happy because btc is now starting to improve, and hopefully Btc returns its price in December 2017
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February 03, 2018, 01:47:11 PM
#9
btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

You will find the bitcoin price fluctuates and then bump continously. Instead of saying bump, we can say it increasing in gentle word. Bitcoin value somehow recovered from today evening onwards. Hope we will find the bitcoin price grows more in the market.
If you want to buy the bitcoins this is perfect time than anytime. In some days you will find the bitcoin price grows more in the marketplace.
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February 03, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
#8
I think that is the end of the line.
That was the price before it went up so mad that no one knows where it came from.
From here on it will be slow and steady. Let us wait for the new investors to come and they will be the one making a more pump for the demands.
For now we need to wait for a week or more before it goes to the price that we want.
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February 03, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
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I think that until the middle of February we can once again go down. And then there must be growth. Maybe we'll test the 7700. But this is my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.
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February 03, 2018, 01:36:14 PM
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Hope it stops to fall and gets higher than 10k again. We'll see if it'll happens or not. I hope so and I believe that. Because, at every fall there is a floor.
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February 03, 2018, 01:33:36 PM
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The price of bitcoin is raised again.I was very happy about this.Since I was holding 0.01 btc in my wallet,I will get some profit now.But I won't sell it now,in two or three days the price of bitcoin will reach more than 12,000$,at that I will sell my bitcoin.Waiting for my move.
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February 03, 2018, 01:24:28 PM
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btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

My personal opinion is that we saw the bottom at just under $8000 but it definitely won't continue to just rise without any complications. I expect a recovery in the next weeks but it will take time and there will certainly be some bumps along the way.
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February 03, 2018, 01:21:51 PM
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Wow amazing, hopefully what is predicted accordingly and hopefully it happens soon.
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February 03, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
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btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?

Now the price of bitcoin is started to raise more than 9000$,as we know the price reduced upto 7800$ .So the price of bitcoin will reach the more than 10,000$.So just hold your bitcoin.If you want bitcoin at cheap price,just inverse now.
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February 03, 2018, 12:40:59 PM
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btc starts up again. does btc have stopped coming down? and will up will not stop or vice versa going down, what do you think?
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