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I understand, but I feel inadequately equipped to trade in this market. If you asked me 6 months ago I would of told you that all of the TA in the world cannot tell you whether we go up or down. Now I am in a very good group where I am slowly learning how to use some elements of TA to map out potential trades, however, I still feel market sentiment drives all directions. I feel, this market is purely driven by speculation and I feel that the only thing which could work for me is using fundamental analysis to some extent. On the other side of things, I am only interested in this space, by purely the technology behind it, I feel that if one invests and averages down positions in this amazing accumulation zone, then we will see our amazing returns in years from now. However, the biggest problem is splitting the crap coins from the truely great projects. btw thanks for the merit.

I agree and I will add a few more things, when people want to buy bitcoin or any altcoin, they should have notion that in order to have profits they will need patience and that they must hold for at least 2 years. this is volatile market and if the person this is for quick profits so the person is making a serious mistake because he will lose money. We have to encourage people to use bitcoin as a means of payments and advise them that this is a long-term investment, and see that the rich guys who invested millions are not crying on social networks because they are at a losses because they invested in the long term


this is the problem, people have this pessimistic thinking. Now that we are waiting for the SEC decision, people will buy bitcoin and if the SEC does not approve an ETF people will sell their bitcoins.

That's not really an excuse. It's quite easy to open a short position at BitMEX and just have the downtrend work for you. It doesn't cost any time or effort, just leave it open and check back once a week or so.

If you use a low leverage count your liquidation price is pretty much well out of the easy to access market range. Ignore all the people saying low leverage counts are for pussies, these people are big mouths and gamblers.

That's the best way to move forward. People don't realize how much of an opportunity it is to use current levels to significantly lower your initial buying price. Lower average price means quicker profits on the way up.

I even have not an assumption when bitcoin will be returned nearby to the historical peak. Bitcoin has being falling since the beginning of 2018 year and actually bitcoin is still in the downtrend. I have devoted this year on learning about crypto technologies, crypto currencies and I can say with full confidence that crypto technologies are really very useful therefore crypto technologies really have nice future. I do not lie and pretend I am an investor and I am holding crypto assets myself (ethereum and bitcoin). As you mentioned earlier that most part of investors lost enough money. By the way I have lost as well but I have decided not to sell my coins because I really hope that I will earn money by holding them

Good analysis and well explained on the thread. I believe the same that a trader can make money in any time irrespective of the trend. I had noticed the short gain opportunities when BTC reached $8k recently and thought of investing the price goes low. I am now eagerly waiting for BTC to hit another bottom so that I could buy more at the bottom and make money on the short gains. Although the price is good enough now to buy but let me just wait if BTC can go more low. I am happy on both the sides which is the best feeling 

Did you read the conclusion of the post? They say that bear trend is nothing but only your fear to invest or sell and make money in the market. Irrespective to the bearish market, you can still invest or gain.

Plus I believe the price of Bitcoin will cross the $10000 value in the market till the end of the year and the start of New Year might accelerate the growth in the value further. The technology is incredible and it should not be called or considered a failed market just because the prices are down.

I have tried trading to no avail, not everybody has time to monitor markets 24/7 and I can't be bothered with bots. I may be at a paper loss, but I feel I have strong enough positions in the long term, using these periods to accumulate and average down.

We can understand that the prices right now are still higher than 3 years ago so it is there a Strand for us but it is not that for them who lived 3 years ago, it would be satisfied with the prices that we are having right now.

Everything had up's and down.Even the profit from business.Likewise ,the price of cryptocurrency is fluctuates to some dip.Since the trading is related to digital currency,their may be variation in the price.
It's better to use the chance to inverse in the potential coins.If you like to get some profits at all the pump and dump.You have to buy at low price and sell at high price.

I really enjoyed reading your write up OP and it is up close to the real situation in the market right now. Its been so many months we are seeing the up and downs of the market but no one has thought of the situation in the way you have represented it here. The structural representation clears up the thing very closely where we know that who benefited a lot and who lost more than that! With such scenarios one should come to know that bitcoin has cyclic behaviours which can not be changed by technical ways and thus it all happens naturally. If there are such changes all the time then why not use them for the purpose of making profits. The simple strategy guys, buy low and sell high, it is what it is!

What most people don't realize is that it's still possible to profit even in the worst market conditions, and sometimes that means you have to go nuts and do shorting. While in itself, shorting is a bad idea because the market can always bounce back, still it's a great shot on grabbing opportunities in a hopeless market. No one needs to wait for the moon always as every day offers new opportunity in trading. 1-10% of profits is already sufficient to get you going and keep the profits rolling. Nice insight on what really happened within the past lows and highs, OP. One should really educate what else can people do in order to get profits even in rainy days.

After seeing the current deep movement of the bitcoin your post is looking more convincing to me because yes thats what happening right now. This is the another "trough" as per your analysis and thus a great chance to jump in and buy more coins. It feels perfect technique because as usual after few days or a week bitcoin will start pumping back to where it started (this time 8K USD again) and thus giving lot more profits one can imagine. Yes, now I believe that we need to see at "bigger picture" too. Like big wave under which we are seeing ups and downs here.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I do believe that bitcoin won't be putting itself down below 5-6K USD window but again its ultimate fate is dependent upon various fundamentals.

However, it doesnt matter if bitcoin falls below that bottom because as I said with my analysis above, its just another opportunity for us to buy more bitcoin. With the past one thing is clear, bitcoin forms the wavy patterns does bounce back again and again. One can literally have periodic payments as profits from this beauty beast. 

This piece of advice is golden and if possible I would have it framed but then again the market is a two-way which is we need people who believe in the hike  to bring the money so that others (the so called smart ones) will dump on them and make their profit. There would be no form of trading happening if everyone is a smart ass and refuses to invest.

I think, bare market is a good opportunity to earn money. You can benefit from this very quickly. And Baer Market is a suitable time to invest here. Here's all ICOs are also very effective.

I really learn many thing from this situation of crypto market, crypto price become more unpredictable and too high volatility, so we have to be set goal how many profit we can make it and we have to out from the market when we make the goal, and i also should put profit from crypto in others asset that has lower risk.

Not sure if that's the case.

It's way easier to make money on the way down than on the way up for me. Bitcoin has always been extremely unpredictable when it comes to its increases, while after a bull run it historically goes down with ~75% form its peak, and it happens time on time again. The 2014 bear market trapped me in like a noob, but this time it's different, and I hope it's the same for the people who got trapped in currently. Bear markets make strong future hodlers. What can be worse than going through a 75% decline?

Tip; if the price ever is going through a bull run again, make sure you short a small percentage of your Bitcoin with a 2x leverage (don't recommend higher) and leave it open till you think the bottom is in. It could be seen as insurance for your investment, because the lower the price falls, the more you'll profit, and the more bearable it is for you.

The bearish market has dominated cryptocurrencies market since January till now and I think the day traders are the people putting in money now.  That is why we keep see bitcoin getting pump and dump within week.  The investors are not really putting in money and the investors are the one that can put confidence into cryptocurrencies.

This is what everyone should be looking for. To be honest most of the people on the forum are always afraid of the bear market and always start nerve wrecking reaction whenever they see the bitcoin or altcoins in the bear mode. They keep asking what they should do, whether they should be selling their capital or should they convert this to that and make thing look worse all the time and leading themselves to the loss and nothing else. This is best strategy to look after because its true that though there is bear then also there are up and down moments within that period. Nicely written OP.

It is really interesting for me how to trade and survive if you are a day trader, in the conditions of market falling, I mean if you are trading in uptrend it is quite easy to buy low and sell high but what are you going to do when it's all low?

Thats great work really. I guess bear is like our own enemy and as long as we dont let it go we will not progress in this market. I guess I can relate myself with the whole situation that you have explained here, not investing at the right time or investing at the wrong time is biggest mistake we can do in the crypto. We should not be making investments blindly because each time period gives us different output so it matters a lot whenever we are investing here. I guess there are good lessons that can be taken from this. 

good post. just some thoughts I have:

lets focus on trading not investing because I can still argue that there is no bad time for investing in bitcoin if you consider it to go up in value and if you are not a trader. for example imagine someone who invested in bitcoin and doesn't want to trade back in 2013 at the peak when price was $1200. in in 5 years even after the drop he has made 400% profit or 80% per year. I'd say that is an excellent profit.

I disagree because of the percentage that you included although you are generally right. there really isn't any percentage you can have in mind to call it the bull run is happened. for instance price went from $900 to $20000 in a year last year and that is 2122% rise. a 20% rise from 900 meant going to $1080. stopping there was a foolish move because price didn't stop until previous ATH of $1200 or the next round of rise was from that point to $2980 (148%).

things are even harder in altcoin market. some of them go at least 100% in one day before stopping!


one thing that I have learned about bitcoin is that you should never say never with confidence
with what we have seen so far I have also been saying that below $6k is impossible but I can not rule out unexpected incidents like a market wide panic when SEC rejects ETF in near future or some ridiculous other news like an exchange hack. all of which can bring down the price.
and I think this "fear" is one of the main reasons why we are not seeing any rises these days and the volume is not as high as it should be.

this is true although you need to remember that this type of trading is riskier because it requires a much better timing since sometimes that window of opportunity for buying or selling is too short.

From the list of your key points, number 3 keep me realizing the reality inside this business, the bearish market is just inside our minds and if we build a good mindset regarding to this concerned we will be able to build better strategy and profitable position even in the down market.

This whole thread can help investors and traders to re assess how they embrace this unpredictable market, better to keep learning and studying those potential combination that will bring good results to our investment, just deal with changes and open your minds to a new sets of ideas.

Not usually a fan of any sort of trading analysis but well done OP for at least giving some fresh perspective on the period since that amazing bull of December 2017 that is still fresh on all our minds.

Not a serious trader myself, but the good point is that traders consistently have strategies for all seasons - like you said, it doesn't matter the market sentiment or if the bear or bull is playing, good traders don't wait for the big opportunities to the point that they miss out on regular ones.

First time I've read nausea in an analysis. Apt description I'm sure many can relate to


Like Bitcoin teaches us to be responsible for our own funds, absolutely correct that traders should take responsibility for their trades. Profit or loss, own your decisions and learn from them.

While I enjoyed reading you, I have some problems with what you wrote, first of all, your statement to not invest in the market if it is in uptrend 10%-20% is totally wrong and by your logic traders should have stopped buy BTC at $3000 or maximum $4000 and we would never have reached ATH mark $20000.

It is all about knowing when to get out and make an exit  with maximum profit from a certain trade, now this maximum profit does not have to be 10%-20% and all you have to do is just choose an exit point based on many different things the exit point can be 200% it really does not matter.

Trading has it up and down moments and no one can be in profit forever, and the most important thing in trading is to set a stop-loss, not anything else, not entering a market that already had 10%-20% uptrend is playing it too safe and will not make any decent profit as I mentioned above BTC was on uptrend from $3000 nonstop to $20000 and choosing to get out at $4000 or even at $5000 just means you missed the train to $20000.

Bear market is a good opportunity, it can make people get a lot of money, they just don’t know it at the time. We cannot be sure when the bear market ends. A bear market is probably the best time of all to research projects so keep researching, you might find some potential upcoming ICOs,  there are a ton of great projects right now that have good things coming up. Moreover, now is a good opportunity to take positions in coins you've been waiting to get hold of. Everything is so cheap right now.

I think bearish trend will continue until 2019, bitcoin will never break $10.000 this year. Hodling makes me broke 

A very nice and lovely write up and I like this part the more. One thing I have known over the years is that a lot of investors we see today are just trying to get rich quick and they have no idea how to even invest, take advantage of the market and even have some little bit knowledge of trading. There is no way you can invest in something you have no knowledge to guide you without making silly mistakes.

It does not take anything to learn trend following and stick with that as a strategy which works easily for most longer time frames, but I feel some are just too lazy to learn and that is where they will keep getting it all wrong.

There is absolutely no cutting of corners when it comes to any investment which may even be outside cryptocurrency, because, as long as you are not vast in the area you want to invest in, you will definitely fail unless you just end up getting lucky and just very few do. What just perturbs me is that people like such, always tend to blame others for their errors.

Nice write up once again and I hope a lot of people who need this will not be so lazy to read it.

That is a very descriptive approach towards the Trading in bear market like the current one. I guess its true that we should not be fearsome of this situation and must stay and trade by applying different smart strategies to make out way through it. Its not big deal when we are in bear if we keep thoughts like these one's and learn from the past experiences. It takes time to evaluate situation so its better to have patience and see what happened in the past to create better future.

Over the forum, there are many topics created which talk about FUD's, FOMO type of investment whenever the market is dropping and thus everyone start to create panic situation due to this bear market. May be this guide can be good approach for learning what can be done in the bear trend.Will help for most of the newbies truly and weak handed investors.  

Great thread and analysis. Personally, I'm not really sad about the current market trends. I'm even excited because this is a great opportunity to buy at the bottom. As Warren Buffet said, "Be greedy when others are fearful". This doesn't mean that you should buy every coin out there, research is also important.

I believe in Bitcoin and blockchain technology, and that's why I believe the price will increase again in the future.

Year 2018, its been rough year until now starting from the first day. When December 2017 hike came into effect then everyone thought that next year bitcoin and most of the Top altcoins will spike themselves by doubling themselves in volume. With that thought in mind most of the people invested heavily at wrong time.

That was the initial event when 2018 started. We surged through mega dump in the period January to February by dropping ourself to 16,000 USD and then 10,000 USD all the way down to 30-40% from ATH of December.

Traders Who Invested in December :

These people suffered a lot due to this kind of drop. They already went down by 40% from initial investment and there is no way they are going to recover that investment until the time they see 16K plus prices. But according to what I read over the forum most of the people with hard truth sold their coins already in the bear and incurred with huge losses ranging from 20-40%.

Learning : This event taught us that whenever the market goes many folds high then its the worst time to invest. Do not think that if the market has hiked itself heavily means it has become stronger and it will grow even further. No, that is the worst outcome you can predict from that. So whenever the crypto currency is in bull run ( ~ 20% + high from initial value) then its not the time to enter the market but to halt your trading operations.


Traders Who Invested in February to May :

These were the traders who had the excited state after the ATH's. They made investment whenever the price dropped below 10K USD during this period. We had 4-6 such occurrences when the BTC price moved from 10K to 8K USD and it was the exact time when you will see heavy rush in the market and more 24 hours volume than any other period. However this was too soon to predict that the BTC might go boom at anytime after tomorrow, then after day after tomorrow but nothing like that happened and BTC dropped even further to lowest of 2018 that is 6K USD by April midway. People took further shot of investing at this period and then this pumped the market to 8K USD by the end of May. They had great time with this peak because most of them got the profits as they invested during the trough and sold at crest. Perfect trade! But not the best one.  

Learning: Investment should not be done in excitement because it may result in some sort of loss which could be unprecedented. In this group not all the people got benefited because many of the bought the coins at 10K USD which was still the highest point until the May. However there were people who bought the bitcoin by looking at the bottom price of BTC which was around 6K USD. Nonetheless they made great profits after BTC started its wave off the trough reaching 8 to 10K USD. So the second group here analysed the situation by somewhat studying the bottom price and made the profits.


Traders Who Invested in May to August :

These are the group of investors who have already understood that this year is not so good for bitcoin and it is all surrounded with the Bearish Trend of bitcoin and even other coins indeed. This taught good lesson and people have now created strategy of buying bitcoin by investing only when they see the bottom rates. Sometimes it is hard to see the bottom rate but with the current years movement it is finalised that bitcoin will never go down to 5.5-6K USD looking at the current trade volume of bitcoin. This group will benefit the most in this year because they are probably holding their coins, they know very well 8, 10K USD is nothing but illusion and what they need to do is, to wait and see BTC moving above 10K USD to have proper sell of from the bear trend.

Leanring : The best thing to do is, research your "trade trend". After looking at 8 months of data one can surely state that we are not going off the bearish trend so easily and thus it might get difficult to get profits in such time. So the best way to keep buying at the troughs and whenever you see the bottom price. DONT rush the bitcoin selling whenever you see little green spikes, that would be mad decision to take because you are still selling in the Bear trend and not profiting with great % share.

Bear Fear

For those who are not capable of having control over their investment can do one easy stuff : They can go for the short term trading along with the swing mode.  Though we are in the bear mode then also crypto currencies keep fluctuating within that bear wave by 5-10% on a day or two basis. It can be done with careful selection of coins with such volatility and still have profits being in the bear. With the time you may think that Bear is nothing and just nausea which can be overcome very easily.

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