Trading scheme for futures trade less but earn more

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Quote from: lenovop-70 on March 25, 2022, 10:39:21 AM

Can you show me which coin has the lowest volatility at the moment?
I think it's hard to see now with so many different types of market caps nowadays. Also your statement above seems to be without considering the psychological side of a person as well as the actual current market situation, so I think this is just a word of motivation and not a definite theory to rush into practice.
I am afraid what you are write above will be read by newbies who are inexperienced and that will make them fall into serious losses.

You could always check the CMC and see the last 30 days there for each coin. You could build an excel that shows the lowest amount of high and low and difference in each of those coins. I would say you do not have to do it for ALL of them but if you can find some sort of API system that takes the data from them and calculates on a spreadsheet, you could even do that automatically so doing that on all would become possible.

If you are doing that by hand, I would suggest just the top 100 would be more than enough, probably even too much. In that scenario you could find which one of those top 100 have the lowest difference between the lowest and the highest in the last 30 days and see the lowest volatility.

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Can you show me which coin has the lowest volatility at the moment?
I think it's hard to see now with so many different types of market caps nowadays. Also your statement above seems to be without considering the psychological side of a person as well as the actual current market situation, so I think this is just a word of motivation and not a definite theory to rush into practice.
I am afraid what you are write above will be read by newbies who are inexperienced and that will make them fall into serious losses.

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Yes, easy of course. But easy only calculation, earning this way from Leverage or Future trading isn't easy. Otherwise, you shouldn't have enough time to make a post here. Future trade is like a gamble, always you won't be a gainer there and possibly you would lose your portfolio as well.

Before making a suggestion or guide you should take a lesson first. You have to describe possible risks about Future or Leverage trading. You just wrote how much x would earn but you never share how much x would lose as well. Your calculation would reverse as well. There is no easy money-making machine at all anywhere.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on March 18, 2022, 06:31:34 PM

Even while scalping or day trading, it is still good to use lower margin or leverage. 5x can get liquidated in volaltile market, 3x can still get liquidated in very extreme volaltile market.

Using altcoins? More risks because altcoins are more volatile than bitcoin. When you asset shouldn't have liquidated while using bitcoin, it would have liquidated while using altcoins. I can still prefer 2x for bitcoin, but strictly 1x for altcoins.

Nice suggestion and clarification on which people or newbies out there should read upon and realized this one rather than on directly dealing with leverage or future with zero knowledge.
You should know the difference in between Bitcoin and altcoin volatility difference plus those calculations in between calculation on different level of leverage so that you do at least
having the idea on what part you should make out some profits and what part you should in put your SL's.

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I imagined about what you have wrtten here
It seems that what you wrote was so easy.
Easy and easy.
But in fact, practice is not as easy as we write, not easy as what the market will give chance to us.
Moreover, we know that market sometimes is very surprising, our strategy may not work well or even work worse because of the unpredictable markets.
When I set a strategy for trading future at the past time, the result was sometimes very different from what exactly with what we expected. Sometimes, we have set our strategy as best as we can, but nothing worked and we lost.
Yeah, that is trading in the future. We all know that Future trading is very risky, no one wil say it is easy, dude even they are profesional traders.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

Stop loss 50-70%

You have said so much thing and given your own analysis but if you are trading and aiming to make a stop of your losses at $50-70% of your capital , you can see it that you are taking a huge risk beyond what you can carry. You never consider the case if you miss to make profit on an order and what happens to your account ? With such risk of 50-70% , any account size will be in trouble because it is over risked.

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Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on March 21, 2022, 03:39:00 AM

Quote from: yayayo on March 21, 2022, 02:22:36 AM

Trade less but earn more? Your strategy might work for you but not for all of us also you did not include that the risk is also more than the normal trades, many people are trying their luck in trades without actual knowledge in gambling. Also, I don't think low cap coins doesn't have futures but you can do a margin trading on those.

Yes we can't just to implement other people's strategies for ourselves,
Even though the strategy you use works doesn't mean it will work for us too,
trading without knowledge I think it's like speculative and it's not right to use it in crypto

How will we know if it is working or not when we always criticize others' strategies? Would it be better to stop complaining but start trying it before we whine up. Direct doing trades without anything equip in your head can be very dangerous. Cryptos are speculative assets but it doesn't mean that all of us here are going to do pure gambling.

What the OP shared sounds too good to be true because he did not provide proofs if how much did he already earn using that strategy of him. Doing less activity or putting less money but getting much of return is what everyone else dream. It can make them spend more time on other activities or it can make them feel less worried because if they lose, they will only lose small.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.
With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

it's easy to calculate but it's hard to implement it, my question is have you applied it first?
Leverage trading in my opinion is more risky than spot trading so the pressure is higher, agree there must be stoploss but if traders do not have enough knowledge about the chart it is very likely they lose their assets quite a lot.

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Quote from: yayayo on March 21, 2022, 02:22:36 AM

Trade less but earn more? Your strategy might work for you but not for all of us also you did not include that the risk is also more than the normal trades, many people are trying their luck in trades without actual knowledge in gambling. Also, I don't think low cap coins doesn't have futures but you can do a margin trading on those.

ya.ya.yo!

Yes we can't just to implement other people's strategies for ourselves,
Even though the strategy you use works doesn't mean it will work for us too,
trading without knowledge I think it's like speculative and it's not right to use it in crypto

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

It works you do 2-3 times trading weekly.
Your start capital can be 100$
You take 5-6 positions.
Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x
Stop loss 50-70%
You choose mostly low cap coins bigger volatility.
One coin can do price swing 10-20% easy
So with 10$ each coin 10%x 40x=400%
So 30$-100$ so total you make 200$-300$ easy one day.

If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

Calling it easy but did not care to give how to find a good coin to invest? you only mentioned Low cap coins but how many of them are legit and can really pump daily?
and also there is no thing as easy money in crypto because we all knew that market keeps declining in our days now so hoping to see a 10-20% increase in each coin is just like a dream.
and also do you really believe that we will trust you on this? nope man you are wrong here.
and Mind sharing us of your success using this strategy? because that is the only thing we will listen and follow your lead.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

It looks very easy on you, I would like to ask? do you have that profit on you already? or can you show us some proof of your trades, even though what you are saying could happen you should also consider that this is very risky even if you are using a stop loss with a $10 open trade and a really volatile coin an small up and down could easily liquidate your position or hit your stop loss immediately.

If you are planning to do this maybe try with high cap coins with lower leverage or try buying leverage tokens such as BTCUP and BTCDOWN I managed to double my $100 in 4 days buy buying leverage tokens. It's almost like the futures trading.

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Trade less but earn more? Your strategy might work for you but not for all of us also you did not include that the risk is also more than the normal trades, many people are trying their luck in trades without actual knowledge in gambling. Also, I don't think low cap coins doesn't have futures but you can do a margin trading on those.

ya.ya.yo!

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Easy? Easy to lose your money? Why would you take a leverage on a high volatility coins with a low market cap? Only desperate people and user that don't value their money will buy or tried this method of yours. Even if you say that it is only a $100 the chance of losing is high and your $100 can easily lose in less than an hour. It is not a trading but more of a gambling for me.

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Quote from: gantez on March 20, 2022, 04:52:50 PM

Quote from: Scripture on March 18, 2022, 06:38:46 PM

I wish trading works like this easily, even if we took the slowest way to trade there are still risk and easy money is not on trading. We should avoid this kind of strategy, because its not clear and newbies can’t understand this. Better to go for the basic, and create strategies along the way. Long trades are better if you analyze the market properly.

I agree with you that trading is not easy and there is no free money in it, you are taking risk always with trading but for hodling, it is not that type of risk but you just patient for bull to come and you see increase . Trading is a difficult task that some people have ability to go over it and some don't have the courage.

Let us accept the fact that trading is not for all. This requires patience and hard work to begin with. It is not an overnight task that you can learn all so you will be successful the next day. And with respect to futures trading, this is much more tedious and complex. It is not for a beginner by any means. If you are not ready for this market, don't. As you can easily liquidate your funds if you are exploring this blindly.

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Quote from: Scripture on March 18, 2022, 06:38:46 PM

I wish trading works like this easily, even if we took the slowest way to trade there are still risk and easy money is not on trading. We should avoid this kind of strategy, because its not clear and newbies can’t understand this. Better to go for the basic, and create strategies along the way. Long trades are better if you analyze the market properly.

I agree with you that trading is not easy and there is no free money in it, you are taking risk always with trading but for hodling, it is not that type of risk but you just patient for bull to come and you see increase . Trading is a difficult task that some people have ability to go over it and some don't have the courage.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

It works you do 2-3 times trading weekly.
Your start capital can be 100$
You take 5-6 positions.
Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x
Stop loss 50-70%
You choose mostly low cap coins bigger volatility.
One coin can do price swing 10-20% easy
So with 10$ each coin 10%x 40x=400%
So 30$-100$ so total you make 200$-300$ easy one day.

If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

Well, it would be great if you showed us a screenshot of your profit. however, I can also say that buying potential coins at a low price, and selling them when they are already high is something easy. however, the truth is, there are still a lot of people who have a hard time with it, even myself.

however, giving out a strategy by saying it's "easy" only makes people think that it's a common thing, even people who have never traded can come up with such an "easy" strategy. however, they did not provide any evidence of that.

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Under 20x no point to touch leverage we are here to make money not for the pocket money everybody got bills to they aint not cheap

Enough of the Jibber-Jabber. Walk the talk.

Prove to us that your strategy works rather than acting like a keyboard expert trader.

Here is the line again, in case you "accidentally" missed it. Let me even make the text bold.

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on March 18, 2022, 06:46:17 PM

Here's a deal.
I would like you to practice your strategy for a month, starting with 100 USD. Send me a watch only API Key so that I observe your trades, wins and losses. If you make that much profit after a month ($2000-$5000). I will send you an extra $100 to make more money for yourself Cheesy

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

It works you do 2-3 times trading weekly.
Your start capital can be 100$
You take 5-6 positions.
Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x
Stop loss 50-70%

It's very easy. But not easy to make money. It is very easy to lose money here. fucking suggestion. If you want to lose money you can do it otherwise refrain from doing it. It’s a death trap it will profit you two to one day but will take everything away from you later

Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy..

It is totally impossible to make 800-1000$ profit in a week with $200 fucking idea. I lost $40k from future trading. Meanwhile, your dream is to earn $800 to $1000 per week. Lol Grin

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

...With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy...

It only seems like a theory that has nothing to do with practice and it's too simple to be true. You describe a situation when the price goes in the direction of your expectations, but in reality this is not always the case. Share with us how successful you are in trading using your trading scheme.

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Leverage 20-40x in single position? Are you kidding me man. That’s insanely wrong and impossible to happen in the real world man. It could have been that easy if I was the one controlling my own trade, my own coin, my own bear and bull trends. Lolz.

That’s not how it works mate. It takes lot of time to achieve that position, you will never know which coin is gonna go up so you are mostly ended up investing in multiple coins which we Call as portfolio.

This is how we leverage 20-40x by combining the power of all coins.

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You only telling the profit part isn't? let's pointed out if the market goes different with your predictions, you'll lose all your funds. Leverage trading is risky, risky is hard, not easy. If trading is easy, many people will become millionaire here and there's no beggars asking for money. Even in spot trading you're not always made profit, as we know spot trading is for beginner for a trader.

What if you start your trading scheme in this day and let know us the result, do it for at least 1 week.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

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If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

You got a point here, but you should need to consider a lot of things here.
Most of the traders got problems with consistency, emotions, and decisions.

If this is how trading easily works, a lot of people will benefit and would be happy but I believe that behind the scene, there are a lot of difficulties and downsides.

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OP I don't know if you have even ever traded derivates more than even 10 times but from the look of things. You must be just daydreaming. Using high leverage on very volatile low cap coins is like gambling.

They way you made calculations clearly does not put into account risk management and the fact that with each trade you open, there is a potential loss. 70% stop loss is so much of a huge loss Shocked

Here's a deal.
I would like you to practice your strategy for a month, starting with 100 USD. Send me a watch only API Key so that I observe your trades, wins and losses. If you make that much profit after a month ($2000-$5000). I will send you an extra $100 to make more money for yourself Cheesy

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There is no exact strategy for trading if you just follow only that strategy you will end up losing instead of making more profit.

You should learn about technical and fundamental analysis which is more effective than only following one strategy.
And the bad thing is future trading is way riskier than trading on the spot market.

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I wish trading works like this easily, even if we took the slowest way to trade there are still risk and easy money is not on trading. We should avoid this kind of strategy, because its not clear and newbies can’t understand this. Better to go for the basic, and create strategies along the way. Long trades are better if you analyze the market properly.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

It works you do 2-3 times trading weekly.
Your start capital can be 100$
You take 5-6 positions.
Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x
Stop loss 50-70%
You choose mostly low cap coins bigger volatility.
One coin can do price swing 10-20% easy
So with 10$ each coin 10%x 40x=400%
So 30$-100$ so total you make 200$-300$ easy one day.

If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

Easy you say ha? You must be new to trading and think futures is your money printing machine.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x

Isolated trading? Extremely risky.

20x margin
Let us say you use bitcoin at $40000
The liquidation price at $40000 will be $38000 for long position or $42000 for short position.

30x margin
Let us say you use bitcoin at $40000
The liquidation price at $40000 will be $38666 for long position or $41300 for short position.

40x margin
Let us say you use bitcoin at $40000
The liquidation price at $40000 will be $39000 for long position or $41000 for short position.

Hope you see how the liquidation price is very close to the price the position will be opened.

Even while scalping or day trading, it is still good to use lower margin or leverage. 5x can get liquidated in volaltile market, 3x can still get liquidated in very extreme volaltile market.

Using altcoins? More risks because altcoins are more volatile than bitcoin. When you asset shouldn't have liquidated while using bitcoin, it would have liquidated while using altcoins. I can still prefer 2x for bitcoin, but strictly 1x for altcoins.

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Quote from: 325btc on March 18, 2022, 05:43:22 PM

It works you do 2-3 times trading weekly.
Your start capital can be 100$
You take 5-6 positions.
Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x
Stop loss 50-70%
You choose mostly low cap coins bigger volatility.
One coin can do price swing 10-20% easy
So with 10$ each coin 10%x 40x=400%
So 30$-100$ so total you make 200$-300$ easy one day.

If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

Easy?
I think that's not as easy as what you've said, maybe it's easy to say but it's hard when you're in trading.
Trading isn't as easy as you think especially a high leverage trade, high leverage means a high risk that could be in a single snap, 50% of your capital has been gone.

But I tend to agree that you must have a stop-loss position, but it doesn't you're safe and you didn't lose.

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You choose mostly low cap coins bigger volatility.

Can you point them out? It seems you're talking about the pump and dump coin. Choosing a good altcoin isn't easy as of now.

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It works you do 2-3 times trading weekly.
Your start capital can be 100$
You take 5-6 positions.
Each position 10$ leverage 20x-40x
Stop loss 50-70%
You choose mostly low cap coins bigger volatility.
One coin can do price swing 10-20% easy
So with 10$ each coin 10%x 40x=400%
So 30$-100$ so total you make 200$-300$ easy one day.

If market bad do this only 2 days a week and you could earn probably 400$-600$ weekly when its a bad market.

With good market 800$-1000$+ weekly.
2000$-5000$ monthly easy.

When you short entry as top possible when you long get from down as possible.

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