Topic: Traditional business or investing in bitcoin? which one is good? (Read 353 times)

I prefer to have both the market is highly volatile for you to cast your whole trust and investment in the market, and you will end up losing a big portion of your portfolio if you do not have a traditional business to sustain your daily needs.

And we have a saying that if money is not working for you while you are sleeping then you will miss a chance to make money, both have advantages and disadvantages and having both of them in your venture will fave the way for financial security, it's like putting your eggs in many baskets to guaranty your profit.

Same to you, One of the factors that i considered when buying a land and real estate is the location, particularly if you'll be use it in business.  Take note, all investment is risky, but you have to determine which is worth the risk. For now, i would say that investing in real estate is practically good because alam naman natin na ang value ng mga real estate is palaging tumataas, Once na may nakita kang binebenta lupa in a lower price, then you must investigate about the whole location before you decide to buy and invest in real estate.

Totoo naman yan yung location ay dapat iprioritize. Kung ako man bibili ng real estate, pipiliin ko din siyempre kung saan ang magandang location. Hindi ako bibili sa mga bahain na lugar o di kaya yung magugulo at may giyera. Sayang lang pera doon pero posible kung pagkatapos ng mga bagay na yun sa isang lugar puwedeng i-take risk na din dahil magmumura ang mga real estate sa mga lugar na yun at kung may development na, nasa sa iyo na iyon kung magtake ka ng risk. Pero ganun na nga, may iba iba tayong pananaw tungkol sa pagi invest sa real estate.

May kanya kanya tayong view sa mga types of investment at yung real estate ay pwedeng "safe" investment sayo at risky sa iba. One example kung sino yung sa tingin ko nacoconsider nila ang real estate as a risky one is yung mga taong naka tira sa lugar na may on going wars. Diba, different situation, different views. Naka depende nalang talaga sa tao kung risky ba or somehow safe yung investment nila.

Yun nga may malaking puhunan ka dapat na need para magkaroon ng mga real estate assets and depende pa rin yan kung gaano ka kadiskarte para makakuha ng properties. Merong mga tao ginagamit ang banko at pag ibig para makapag acquire sila ng mga foreclosed properties at isang magandang style yun tapos mababa pa ang interest rate. Mas okay yang mismong property niyo ang irenovate, ako okay din sana ang mga condos para sa akin pero kung may sobrang pera lang ako saka ako magi invest sa mga ganyan, mas okay ako sa house and lot.

Oo nga, benta lang agad kapag nag pump o kahit bitcoin payment ang mga campaigns nila. Benta lang dahil yun ang mas kailangan nila at hindi tayo pare parehas ng sitwasyon sa buhay.

Real estate talaga yung pinaka solid na business na pasukin anytime whether kung seller ka man or magpaparent ka. Dahil malaki yung income at less effort lang tapos passive income pa. Problema lang talaga ay malaki yung puhunan na kaylangan pero may mga loop holes naman kung madiskarte ka para magkaroon ng maraming properties with minimal investment like buying condo tapos ipaAirBNB after turnover at marami pang iba. For me, sisimulan ko muna iparenovate yung mismong property namin tapos magpaparoom for rent since crowded naman yung location namin.
Actually, napaka common nyan dito sa forum at yung iba nasa altcoin campaigns sumasali tapos once nagpump at magsesell agad tapos out na. Since continuous naman yung pasok ng income kaya hindi na rin sila naghohold pa.

Maganda sa totoo lang real estate business, kumbaga may kasiguraduhan ka na hindi ka malulugi basta nasa magandang lugar lang yung real estate mo. Papaupahan mo tapos tataas pa value every year tapos ikaw na bahala kung gusto mo na ibenta kapag mataas na value niya. Pero kung kumikita ka passively puwedeng hayaan mo nalang maggenerate ng kita yan tapos focus ka ulit sa ibang business na gusto mong itayo o di kaya balik focus ulit sa bitcoin.

Posible naman kumbaga yung kinikita niya binebenta lang niya din agad pero yun nga, halos lahat tayo dito investor ng Bitcoin at kahit papaano ay may hinohold na amount.

for the real estate especially condo to townhouse, It will become a business if it gives you a profit, one of the best investment is real estate tlga. For me, icoconsider ko Talaga both if traditional business and investing in crypto lalo na if I have enough source of funds as long as kaya nating ihandle. May iilan na hindi swerte sa Negosyo and that's okay, pumili lang tyo ng right venture for us na alam nating makakatulong satin in the future.

At least negosyo parin naman na maituturing ang real estate, bagma't hindi lang siya mura, madami ka sigurong ganyan ang sinasabi mo, saka isa pa madami din namang options na pagpipilian sa traditional business malaki o maliit man yan.

Saka sure kaba hindi ka nagiinvest ng Bitcoin? parang hindi kapani-paniwala, tapos andito kapa sa cryptocurrency industry. Well, kwento mo yan. Dahil ang pagkakaalam ko lahat ng community dito sa forum ay hangad na makaipon ng Bitcoin kahit papaano.

ohhh,. kaya pala ganito ang stand mo bro dahil kasi kuimbaga nag extend ka nalang ng source of income , in which investing in crypto dahil yung physical business mo ay gumagana na and am sure profiting kana before crypto came.

Bagay na hindi ganon kadali sa magsisimula pa lang dahil mas kailangan ng concentration and time ,not like in bitcoin na bibilhin mo lang at hahayaan ng ilang taon/

 magaling nga na strategy yan , pag tumaas  ang presyo ng crypto eh ilalabas mo ang pera para i invest sa physical business , then pag bumagsak na ulit ang presyo ng bitcoin eh ibibili mo na ulit so multiple ways of investing yan bro., mahusay kana kung ganon.
sana lahat tayo ganyan ang galawan now congrats brod

Yeah, but maybe we can only say Bitcoin is a source of passive income if it guarantees profit but it is not as there is no such investment that can give guaranteed profits. Still, we consider it as passive income in a way that we don't need to take such actions except for holding it and selling it when we are comfortable doing it for profit. I forgot to include having a regular and stable job for now even if it is just a part-time or working remotely/working from home aside from owning a business and investing in Bitcoin. It's really great to have multiple sources as long as you can still handle them and manageable.

Siguro mainam na subukan ang dalawa at wag nang pumili kahit isang option dyan dahil mas mainam talaga na may multiple source of income tayo para di tayo tumagilid pag yung inaasahan nating bagay ay bumagsak lalo na kung sa bitcoin tayo aasa dahil di talaga araw-araw pasko dito since maraming pagkakataon na bagsak ang market at dun may malaking chance na matatalo tayo. Although wala din namang kasiguruhan sa pag nenegosyo physically pero kapag napag aralan mo ang iyong market at kung ano ang may demand sa lugar nyo siguro mag succeed ka dito.

Ang tanging gagawin mo lamang ay kung pano mo ma maintain ang iyong physical na negosyo at gumawa ng iba't-ibang bagay para tangkilikin ka ng iyong mga costumers. Sa ngayon kumita nako sa crypto at nag eexplore ako sa mga physical na negosyo dahil gusto ko talaga makapagtayo ng negosyo na magbibigay ng sustainable na kita sakin.

Ako din naman naniniwalsa bagay na yan at ginagawa ko payan til now para makapag-aacumulate ng mga cryptocurrency na sa tingin at palagay ko ay makakapagbigay ng magandang profit sa hinaharap. Hindi ko kasing nagawang makapag-ipon nung mga panahon ng 2021 dahil nung 2019 nagsimula ang pandemic.

But this time na paparating ang halving na alam ko ring magkakaroon na ng maagang bull sa pagpasok ng 2024 ay ngayon palang ay nag-iipon na ako kahit pano ng mga holdings ko para sa paparating na bull run dahil ayaw ko rin naman na ma zero o taga-panuod lang ako sa mga ngyayari sa araw mismo ng bull run.

Kung pwede mo gawin both much better kasi ma maximize mo yung source mo para kumita. Ang edge sakin meron na kasi akong business before ako mag start sa crypto kaya napagsabay ko silang dalawa.

Kapag nakapagbenta ako ng Bitcoin at alts, naipapaikot ko sya sa negosyo para dagdagan yung mga items ko, at the same time pag kumita ako sa negosyo nakakabili ako ng crypto na gusto kong i hold. Pero nakadepende pa rin yan kung saan mo gustong mag focus kasi mas tayo ang nakakaalam kung san ba tayo kikita ng malaki.

Sana nga ganyan ang end of year price ng Bitcoin kabayan para lahat tayo masaya. Pero malayo pa rin siguro yan doon sa exit price na sinasabi ko pero kung iisipin ko yung support price na ganyan, marami ng panalong panalo sa atin lalo na yung mga nakabili ng bitcoin dati pa at hindi pa rin nagbebenta hanggang ngayon.

Okay lang yan kabayan kasi may kanya kanya naman tayong preference. Kung ang tingin mo lang kay Bitcoin ay parang other source of income, okay lang kasi totoo naman na kumikita ka gamit ang Bitcoin at okay na okay din yang mga investments na sinabi mo dahil traditional investments din yan.

Parehas siguro. Hindi naman kailangan na pumili lng ng isa e lalo’t di naman talaga dapat nasa iisang basket lng ang investment. Marami siguro gusto easy money o yung hindi gaanong nahihirapan, pero totoo naman kasi na kapag business, kailangan mong pagtuonan ng maraming oras lalo kapg naguumpisa pa lang. Hindi naman ring kailangang maging komplikado yung business basta maalam ka sa target market at sa trend, magiging patok yan lalo ngayon na laking tulong ng socmed. Yung pagbusiness pa nga siguro yung mga daan para malaki laki yung mainvest sa BTC.

Investing in bitcoin. Ang bitcoin kasi, alam mo na long term ang investment mo at hindi kailangan na lagi't lagi kang nagpaplano or nagiinovate gaya ng g business. Tingin ko kasi unlike investing in bitcoin na malaki yung chance na maraming makagawa (basta may pera and knowledge), yung business hindi kasi sya para sa lahat (like me). Kasi maglalaan ka talaga ng oras doon lalo na kung ang inoofer mo ay goods.

Pero hindi naman natin kailangan na ilimit yung sarili natin between investing in bitcoin and traditional business. Marami namang income streams na pwede nating aralin para madagdagan yung income natin.

parehas namang maganda ang traditional Business or Investing in bitcoin lalo na sa ating mga crypto users.
and site ko lang dito is depende sa paniniwala at kakayahan mo .

Traditional Business - Kailangan ng Abilidad at malalim na kaalaman tungkol sa negosyong papasukin dahil Hindi to basta basta lang na magtatayo ka at mag operate dahil surely malulugi ka lang at babagsak.


Bitcoin Investment - Kailangan ng Paniniwala sa Bitcoin at Syemre handa mag risk specially for long term.
this will take at least long time before tasting your fruits

Hope this will add something sa Discussion .

I don't actually choose one of them to be honest. Why? Because traditional business won't work for me I've been there before and nothing happened. Investing in Bitcoin won't work as well since I am having a hard time with it's volatility since I need cash flow for my family's needs. Though I am here investing my time and effort to earn fractions of Bitcoin but yeah if ever I need to invest on something it would be real estate and collectible silver and gold coins.

Underrated comment and the most realistic. Iba talaga approach depende sa kung ano ang nakasalalay. You can be more daring kung bata pa at sarili lang inaalala. Ibang usapan na kapag may ibang umaasa sa'yo.

@Maslate, my approach is to build your traditional business (online/brick & mortar) muna until such time na stable na ito at kumikita na then you can diversify to investing in BTC on the side. It's important na meron ka munang consistent source ng pera for necessities at enough savings for emergencies. Kung wala ka nyan, huwag pagsabayin ang business at investments.

Based on my personal assessment and my apparent understanding of the chart over the timeframe I have established, I believe that before the end of this year, Bitcoin's price range will play 35k-40k, and that entering 2024, either in January or February, it is possible that the bull run will start gradually in the market.

The breakout is indeed conceivable when we enter the price around 32k, according to my prediction that is currently evident, even despite how others have stated here, this is only my speculation.

Siguro kung exit plan ang pag uusapan sa Bitcoin baka kung hindi $500k-$1M ang exit plan, parang may nabasa ako na ganyan ang exit plan nila. Tama ka diyan kabayan at may point ka pero pag iisipan ko pa rin pero katulad ng nabanggit ko baka ganyan nalang o di kaya kung kailan nalang gustuhin. Sa ngayon malabo yung mga plano ko pero maganda nga yang sinabi mo na dapat habang maaga maisip ko na kung magkaroon ako ng exit plan pero kasi sa lagay ng Bitcoin parang wala talaga siyang exit plan na ibebenta mo lahat ng holdings mo.

We have a saying, do not put everything in one basket. And hanggang ngayon I believed on that, we must always find a ways to have multiple sources money wise. So it's either you invest on bitcoin, stocks, real state or putting up a business.

At least you have several options under you, if one fails then you have others to cover for you. Like in bitcoin, for sure marami sa tin had experienced on 2017 bull run. And we thought that it's going to continue. Pero later on, we realized that bitcoin invested has it's ups and down, may bear and bull market. So kung umasa lang tayo sa kanya nung 2018-2019 so malamang hirap tayo. So we need to diversify as much as we can at maraming source of income.

Tama naman pero mas maganda pa din na may exit plan ka. Lalo na kung dadaan ang napakahabang bear market, kung panay dagdag ka lang ng investment sa Bitcoin at sakaling kailanganin mo ng pondo para sa ibang bagay, posibleng maghagilap ka ng pera at ang investment mo sa Bitcoin ang magalaw. Para sa akin habang mas maaga may plano at may sinisimulan ka na para na din sa future mo. Kahit maliit na negosyo, hanggat patuloy na umaandar at nakikita mong lumalago, malaking bagay na yun dahil alam mong may nasimulan kana.

Ako din sa ngayon, crypto or holding muna ng Bitcoin at kung may pangdagdag, ay magdagdag din muna. Pero kung yung iba may exit plan, ako walang exit plan pero gusto ko din magkaroon ng dagdag na venture sa ibang business na gusto kong pasukin. Kumbaga ito yung pinaka foundation muna ng lahat ng papasukin kong business in the future dahil yung risk taking dito parang mas matindi pa sa pagpasok mo sa business di ba.

Good luck sa ating lahat dito mga kabayan, kumbaga sabi nga sa mga post na nakikita ko. LFG!

Noong 2021 naoverlook ko yan sa totoo lang, nalaman ko na nga lang yang bull run nung time na yan ay tapos na, bear season na nung nalaman ko. Saka pandemic pati nung time na yan. Nasa survival ako nyan at recovery ko nun sa health qu din. Ngayon, yang mga NFT games hindi yan pwedeng mawala sa cryptocurrency industry dahil part yan ng crypto at malaki din ang contribution nyan sa crypto market kahit ang meme coins malaki din ang naiaambag nyan.

Kung ikaw nasa 60%-70% yung inaacumulate mo sa Bitcoin ako kabaligtaran 70% nasa altcoins at memecoins ang inaaccumulate ko, wala akong pakialam sa sabi ng iba na shitcoins ang meme coins, pero sigurado akong makikipagsabayan yang inaacumulate ko na memecoins sa bull market.  Nung trending ico season, 2019-2020 naging naman trending naman ang NFT season, So this time batay sa pananaliksik ko mukhang meme coin season naman ang papasok, sa assessment ko lang ito at paniniwala. Basta ang masisiguro ko hindi ito magpapaiwan sa bull run may iba pa nga ako na holdings na kung san ito yung magiging first time bull run nya na hindi rin magpapaiwan dahil nakikitaan ko rin ng potensyal na capable siya talaga.

Yaan mo nextweek gagawa ako ng topic sa sinasabi ko, this week kasi gagawa ako ng continuation topic ko sa trading tutorial.

Same tayo ng hope kabayan. Sana nga maramdaman ulit natin karanasan noong 2017. Sayang yung 2021 hindi napaghandaan dahil na rin sa pandemya. Less expectations na ako sa 2025 lalo kay bitcoin at ibang top ranked altcoins. Pero meron naman siguro new opportunities that time like noong 2021 lumago mga NFT games basta exit lang talaga o di kaya sigurohin makuha balik capital at gains before magstart ang another 4-year cycle.

Ano ba mga altcoins mo kabayan if you don't mind? Saken kasi 60% to 70% nakay bitcoin. DCA rin ako monthly at maliitan lang din.


Oo sobra kabayan. Sana worth it risks ko na to. Binenta ko na rin lahat ng natirang stocks ko ng palugi para makapag focus sa crypto ulit.


Talpakan sa crypto kabayan. Nag DCA ako monthly. Yan kasi ginagamit kung term kapag tinatanong ako ng tropa para di halata meron kunting investment.

Parehas ay may kanya kanyang risk involved. It also depends kung ano yung experience mo both fields kasi yun yung important thing about it. Both are good depende kung ano ang view mo sakanilang dalawa since parehas naman sila may risk. Though for me mas pipiliin ko yung crypto kasi siguro mas mahaba yung experience ko sa cryptocurrency compared to having a business. Umaasa ako this time sa crypto cycle which is I think nasa middle na tayo ng cycle. Nag promise kasi ako sa sarili ko na mag cocommit ako na gagawin ko best ko this cycle.

Why not, if it can be accomplished simultaneously? Actually, traditional company investments can aid in the acquisition of Bitcoin. Of course, at the moment, investing in bitcoin won't yield a return for several months or perhaps years. Additionally, our traditional business might serve as Bitcoin's fuel while we wait for our end goal, when it will be sold.

This implies that when we gradually amass bitcoin via DCA, the conventional investment is much better. So, in my personal opinion, it's a good thing to be honest.

Traditional business is ok pero it takes time and you need to analyze it very well para magsucceed ka at pagplanuhan ng mabuti. Investing with Bitcoin though is very easy, pero syempre risky sya kaya hinde ren talaga sure profit ito. For me, mas ok to have both since diversification is a must and mas ok na may backup plan ka than to stick to one source of income only. If you can start with Bitcoin right now much better, you can just have your own business later on at the right time.

If we are talking security, wala talagang financial security na maibibigay si Bitcoin sa atin, realistically we are just assuming that bitcoin will increase its value in coming years which is a high probability. Pero pipiliin ko pa rin both para maging diverse ang portfolio at magkaroon ng cover din both traditionally and sa cryptocurrencies. Sa isang banda, if we want our future to be secure mas lamang sakin yung traditional business, proven and tested na to sa mga mayayaman sa atin, noon pa man na wala pang bitcoin eh mas nakakatulong to para sa future ng isang tao. Ang kagandahan naman sa pagpili neto parehas ay mas possible ang win-win situation mo pag pumatok ang business mo and dumating yung time ng bull run.

Parehas may pros and cons, but these two is a good weapon for the future.

Mas maganda talaga na parehas piliin. Parang ang plano ng karamihan sa atin dito, invest muna sa Bitcoin tapos kapag dumating na yung panahon na bull run tapos malakihang cash out, doon na pag iisipan ang investment. Sa mga nasa magagandang lugar ang pinaka magandang investment talaga ay real estate at paupahan. Tumataas na value kada taon o kung hindi man kada taon basta tumataas, tapos meron ka pang passive income para sa mga pinapaupahan mo. Sa mga walang experience sa pagbu-business, matututo ka rin dahil natuto ka naman na din sa pag take ng risk sa pagi-invest sa Bitcoin.

At this moment in time, I prefer not to gamble on my future so a traditional business that has lower risk and reward would be my ideal choice, but If I were to witness the last few mined bitcoins ^{[around the year 2140]} in my twenties, my answer would've been completely different.

Matik both syempre diba nga may kasabihan na "Don't put your eggs in one basket". Much better kung mai-ispread out mo yung pera at investments mo at hindi lang sa crypto. Lalo't risky at volatile ang crypto and hindi natin masasabi kung kelan babagsak ang market.

Although na pinili ko ay both, mas magle-lean on pa rin ako sa traditional businesses na more on property renting dahil para sakin mas secure syang decision when it comes to future. Pero syempre, if ever man tuloy pa rin yung savings sa crypto para kung sakaling tumaas ang market.

You can allocate portions from the profit you get from your traditional business naman. Kapag sa bitcoin kaagad, at long term ka, hindi kaagad yan profit dahil most likely eh maghihintay ka pa ng ilang buwan at taon. At wag din nating alisin ang posibilidad na pwedeng magdecline ang value ng bitcoin. So even though napakalano nyang mangyari sa ngayon, eh posible parin.
So... divide your "portfolio", ika nga. Kaya both ako.

That's a great point! To sum it up, Bitcoin can be a source of passive income, while a business offers active income. Having both can help diversify our investments, which is a smart move. It's good to see that people are thinking about their future security and not putting all their eggs in one basket, whether it's Bitcoin or business. We should definitely keep following that path.

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Wow, all your savings, you must be a real high risk taker.


What do you mean by talpakan? Are you referring to cockfighting gambling? I thought it was already ban by the government.

Nararamdaman ko yang ibig mong sabihin, sana maulit ulit yung naranasan ko na saya nung panahong 2017 this coming bull run. Sa mga pagkakataon na ito maganda talagang ang dca sa totoo lang, ganyan din ang ginagawa ko honestly speaking. Kahit maliit na amount lang basta meron akong maaccumulate na alam kung makikipagsabayan sa pag-angat ng value ni Bitcoin sa merkado.

Sa bitcoin meron din naman pero mas priority ko ibang crypto na nasa top listed sa merkado, nawitness ko naman ang mga ito nung panahon ng bull run, talaga namang sumunod din sa pagtaas ni Bitcoin. Mas mataas kasi ang percentage na malaki kitain dito sa inaacumulate ko, though sa bitcoin, okay naman at pwede kang kumita ng x5 or more for sure, pero sa ibang top crypto na sinasabi ko ay posibleng x10 or more ng capital investment ang maging roi nya.

       -    Is it not conceivable, if you have the ability, to accomplish it simultaneously? They can assist us equally and are equally significant.
No matter how big your traditional business is, you can always make money from it. Your ability to do so depends on the number of customers that buy from you as well as the things you are selling.

Regarding Bitcoin, the only strategy that is truly risk-free is a long-term investment. You can gradually make money in the traditional business while you wait for the ideal moment to sell your Bitcoin, and you can utilize DCA to increase your profit when you buy Bitcoin here as well, aren't you right?

I believe it's wise to consider a balanced approach, for me choosing both traditional business and investing in Bitcoin can shape my financial future. I know that traditional business is time-consuming and has high startup costs like what I started this early month of October, but it can provide me with stable income and personal satisfaction so this will be my active income. Owning a business allows me to have more control over the operations and direction, giving me the ability to directly influence the success so can I support my investment into Bitcoin. And for Bitcoin investment, this will be my passive income that will give me high potential returns.

Sa ngayon parang ang nagyari lahat ng savings ko monthly nakalagay sa bitcoin and some other altcoins. Meron naman balak to start another business but only after the crypto bull run or after sa 4-year cycle ni bitcoin. So sa ngayon focus muna sa talpakan at sana mag grow nga savings para kahit papaano lalaki ang capital sa business, probably 2025 or 2026.

Both.

Ang advantage ng Bitcoin ay mataas a profit potential since sobrang volatile nito pero may crypto cycle tayong tinatawag which is nagdudump ng malaking percentage ang Bitcoin once ma reach na cycle peak. Proven and tested na same cycle lang ang nangyayari since the beginning ng Bitcoin.

Kaya nasabi ko na both ay maganda ay dahil maganda silang icombine dahil consistent profit ang traditional business although medyo maliit lang ang profit margin depende sa business mo ay magandang pang cover ito in case nasa bear market ang Bitcoin since hindi naman laging bullish ang Bitcoin para makakuha ng profit.

Ang ginagawa ko now ay nagaallocate ako from business profit ko na nilalagay ko sa Bitcoin pakonti konti. This way kumikita ko both at consistent na walang patay ma season.  Bear or bull market man ay makakaasa ka na laging pabor sayo kung pareho kang meron nitong dalawa.

I would say both Bitcoin and business.

When we say business, it is a regular occupation wherein an individual or a group of people organize the production of goods or services. Running a business means you are your own boss; you have control over your time and lifestyle. Aside from that, you have control of your money which gives you the advantage of enjoying financial rewards.

In Bitcoin, it takes time to enjoy the financial rewards. No more taking profit until reaching the target price. Meaning, there will be no passive income in investing in Bitcoin unless you do day trading. However, this is risky and not considered as investing anymore, it is also not advisable for people who do not have enough knowledge and experience.

It's better to have different types of investment. An investment that provides monthly income that can sustain your daily needs. If you only invest in Bitcoin and there is an emergency, or financial need to be specific, possible that your investment is your only choice to be used.

Let's discuss about our future here, since we talk about bitcoin all the time, I like to break that a bit and with some realistic questions for our future. We are all are thinking of our future, so I like to get your opinion between the two on what will you choose to secure your future.

If you believe in both, kindly elaborate on why you choose both and the potential impact on your future.