Transaction cost question, for poor people.

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Quote from: nabeel1992 on June 10, 2014, 01:59:55 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

Some people says, transactional fees are "Free". That is what makes crypto currency, better than debit and/or credit cards. {Because they charge huge fees}

But if your transaction fee is set to zero, no miner will pick it up, right?

If you increase it, it would also increase the speed, at which, your transaction would be processed.

Now, how does that help the person, from a 3rd world country, paying in his currency, which is much weaker, than say the USD $.

The guy in USA pays e.g. 0,0007631 / 50 cents US and think it is fair, but the guy in the 3rd world country, pays for example in Argentine Peso and pay 4,064 peso.

The guy in the US cannot buy a hamburger with his 50 cents, but the guy in Argentina, can buy 2 hamburgers with that, so for him it's expensive to pay 0,0007631
to get his transaction processed.

It would not be a viable option for poor countries to accept it as a payment method.

What am I missing?

in my views transaction fees are same.the fee is .0001.if you campare these bitcoin fees with other like banks they are extremely low as compare to them.

When we are talking about transferring fiat value, this is not necessarily true. Imagine sending a micro payment for $.65, or 0.001 BTC. With a standard input, you would have to pay a 10% fee in order to move that money. That is quite a high percentage.

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I think this a more of a fiat problem rather than a bitcoin problem. There has always been a difference in the purchasing power of currencies, long before bitcoin was invented. I do not think Bitcoin can ever solve this purchasing power inequality.

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Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

Some people says, transactional fees are "Free". That is what makes crypto currency, better than debit and/or credit cards. {Because they charge huge fees}

But if your transaction fee is set to zero, no miner will pick it up, right?

If you increase it, it would also increase the speed, at which, your transaction would be processed.

Now, how does that help the person, from a 3rd world country, paying in his currency, which is much weaker, than say the USD $.

The guy in USA pays e.g. 0,0007631 / 50 cents US and think it is fair, but the guy in the 3rd world country, pays for example in Argentine Peso and pay 4,064 peso.

The guy in the US cannot buy a hamburger with his 50 cents, but the guy in Argentina, can buy 2 hamburgers with that, so for him it's expensive to pay 0,0007631
to get his transaction processed.

It would not be a viable option for poor countries to accept it as a payment method.

What am I missing?

in my views transaction fees are same.the fee is .0001.if you campare these bitcoin fees with other like banks they are extremely low as compare to them.

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To be honest, bitcoin is not ideal for micropayments. It is extremely cheap to send a lot of value, but for small payments (less than $5, for instance), it is not super cheap.

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Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

Some people says, transactional fees are "Free". That is what makes crypto currency, better than debit and/or credit cards. {Because they charge huge fees}

But if your transaction fee is set to zero, no miner will pick it up, right?

Nope:

Quote from: Loophole on June 10, 2014, 09:39:11 AM

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If your transaction satisfies 3 conditions (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees#Sending), it will get confirmed pretty quickly (usually within an hour from my experience) without any fee.

But even if your transaction does not fit these conditions it will most likely get accepted within a week. There are miners out there that do not require a fee. When the make a block you TX can be in there and you are fine.

Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

If you increase it, it would also increase the speed, at which, your transaction would be processed.

Up to a certain point yes. The miners still need to find a block. You can pay 17 BTC fees if the next block needs 1 hour to be found your TX will take 1 hour for 1 confirmation.

Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

Now, how does that help the person, from a 3rd world country, paying in his currency, which is much weaker, than say the USD $.

The guy in USA pays e.g. 0,0007631 / 50 cents US and think it is fair, but the guy in the 3rd world country, pays for example in Argentine Peso and pay 4,064 peso.

0.0007 is 45.5 cents, the fee (assuming 1 kb TX and 650USD/BTC) would be 6.5 cents which is a lot in comparisson.

Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

The guy in the US cannot buy a hamburger with his 50 cents, but the guy in Argentina, can buy 2 hamburgers with that, so for him it's expensive to pay 0,0007631
to get his transaction processed.

It would not be a viable option for poor countries to accept it as a payment method.

What am I missing?

What you are missing is that #1 you can still pay cash, #2 if a shop accepts credit cards, every customer pays the fees. everything you can buy is a little more expensive so some can pay with CC with bitcoin you pay only your own fees. People usually forget fees they dont see and complain about those that they are see. Typical costs are 3-5% + 0.10-0.25 EUR sometimes up to 10%. Lets compare that to your 45.5 cent_USD ~ 33.5 cent_EUR + 3% = 34.505 + 0.10 fixed price = 44,5 cent_EUR.

Even if you pay cash you pay this fee! Everytime you buy something in a shop that accepts CreditCards!

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The wallet I use, Electrum, looks like it defaults the fee to 0.0002BTC which looks like less than $0.15USD. When BTC was less than it is now it was closer to $0.07USD. Not sure where you are getting $0.50USD from.

You'll have to do the math for your local currency value for that 0.0002BTC.

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Quote from: Kprawn on June 10, 2014, 09:36:35 AM

But if your transaction fee is set to zero, no miner will pick it up, right?

Nope.
If your transaction satisfies 3 conditions (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees#Sending), it will get confirmed pretty quickly (usually within an hour from my experience) without any fee.

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Some people says, transactional fees are "Free". That is what makes crypto currency, better than debit and/or credit cards. {Because they charge huge fees}

But if your transaction fee is set to zero, no miner will pick it up, right?

If you increase it, it would also increase the speed, at which, your transaction would be processed.

Now, how does that help the person, from a 3rd world country, paying in his currency, which is much weaker, than say the USD $.

The guy in USA pays e.g. 0,0007631 / 50 cents US and think it is fair, but the guy in the 3rd world country, pays for example in Argentine Peso and pay 4,064 peso.

The guy in the US cannot buy a hamburger with his 50 cents, but the guy in Argentina, can buy 2 hamburgers with that, so for him it's expensive to pay 0,0007631
to get his transaction processed.

It would not be a viable option for poor countries to accept it as a payment method.

What am I missing?

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