Topic: Transaction from Summer 2010 (Read 1438 times)

No.

No wallet seeds, what I thought were wallet seeds was for seed for pgp encryption.  Smoketoomuch I never said anything about seeds to you.  I just can't believe that someone else could have used your account back then to setup a transaction. That sounds like bullshit to me.

If you want help from me about events that didn't happen, there's clearly a need to get the information straight.

You seem to constantly shift your goal posts. You either have no real clue what you are looking for (or at least fail to express that clearly) or you are trying portray yourself as a victim in hope someone will refund your coins (scammer tactic).
I personally want to beleive you just don't know what you are doing and I want to help you with that by clarifying some things.

You don't even remember your old username or anything that would lead me to be able to identfy a transaction as sent to you. Give me precise information and I might dig up my old wallets and look them through.

Information I was able to gather so far:
Taken from here:

• You used a Linux live environment. When the timeframe (Summer 2010) is correct, your wallet had to be an old version Bitcoin Core (former Bitcoin QT). Electrum and Armory were the first alternative wallets I remember, and both of them did not show up before 2012.
• You tried mounting the filesystem of the hard drive in question, but did not post the error message.
• You did not post your results of "sudo fdisk -l" on the drive in question.
• You claimed you were able to find wallet file signatures by searching for hex values of wallet types that such an old Bitcoin QT client just could not have used, but did not explain how you were doing this.
• You claimed you entered a 12 word seed to generate the wallet, but again, back then this BIP wasn't even proposed, let alone implemented (Bitcoin QT did not have hierarchical deterministic wallets back then). You did not mention whether you still have that seed somewhere.
• You said "the drive doesn't have a partition that is bootable. It looks to me like a antivirus program might have gotten a hold of it and encrypted it" which is just all around bullshit (source). You don't need to boot it. Usually there's no AV involved in Linux systems and even when they don't mess up your bootloader or whatever. It's hard to comprehend how this sentence can even come from a Bitcoin user, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, since you might just not be that tech savvy.

Taken from here:

• You are asking for the encryption type of Bitcoin QT 0.2.0 wallets. Bitcoin QT didn't have encryption until 0.4.0, though. That doesn't prevent you from claiming you know the passphrase.
• You're claiming that it did have encryption of a single private key, but not the whole wallet, which just was never implemented anywhere. One could still give you the benefit of the doubt that you are just not technically educated enough to know the details of wallet encryption.

Regarding this:

• If you actually need older versions of Bitcoin QT to experiment, you can find the source code of them here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases?after=v0.2.9

Regarding this:

• Now you're saying your wallet didn't have the keypool feature implemented yet, which was implemented way before the seed feature you were talking about using before.
• If it wasn't a hierarchical deterministic wallet (= seed), you either had the private keys of your "lost" coins in them or not, there's no way to generate new keys in a deterministic way, that's why your phrase "The wallet that I used was before they done the 100 keys, that's why I would like to make more in case change is sent to them" doesn't make sense to me. maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.

You then want to acquire copies of blockchain files here and here which doesn't help your problem at all. Either the network agrees that a transaction has happened and it is included in the blockchain (and therefore observable via a wallet or blockchain explorer) or it agrees that it didn't happen (e.g. orphaned block and tx never re-included in block (which is highly unlikely)) and in this case you just plain and simple never received the coins and your whole effort to regain them is futile.

Now to the thread we are currently in:

Ignoring that the workflow you described is false (you don't enter TX IDs and you don't need to hit receive to receive coins, just to generate an invoice), if someone sent Bitcoins to an address that corresponds to a private key which is contained in that wallet, opening this wallet will give you access to the coins, no matter if your client has been online or offline. If you can't see that transaction on a fully synced client or via an block explorer for the Bitcoin network, you are not able to use these coins as they do not exist. This is what the others have been trying to tell you.

Here you are claiming you haven't found your wallet yet. If this is true, all the statements regarding the decryption via pywallet have to be false. Please make up your mind.

A few questions for you:

• What is your mother language? I feel like it isn't English and maybe some information is lost by translation. If it is German we might be able to remove translation errors from the conversation. If not, maybe someone else is able to talk to you in your native tonge.
• Someone already brought up the X-Y-problem. Could you please clarify what you are actually trying to achieve in one or two sentences? I've read your whole post history and you are constantly switching between the things you want from the community.
• Have you found your wallet.dat file?
• What is it you remember about the "password"? Was it actually a seed (12 word phrase) or an unlock key for an ecrypted wallet?

Please stop posting confilcting information and try to form explicit sentences that arent subject to (mis-)interpretation.


EDIT: Be aware, after some further PM correspondence, it's seeming more and more likely Oldnewbie is trying to scam someone. I'm not 100% sure yet, but the things he claimed did never happen (and cannot have happened, encryption and wallet seeds were not around during that time).

I don't think we need to get into a pissing contest over how I got the coins from you. ( I don't think it is necessary to put out private information just to prove a point).
I don't understand how I could be trying to scam you for anything. All I need from you is to look at your wallet from that time period and tell me how to decrypt my encrypted key, since there were changes that was made to the encrypted wallet before it was released. And there are network changes since then . If you look at your transactions from back then, you might remember.

Yep, that's me.

I did not.

Since I didn't set a up a raffle or anything like it, you did not sent me money, at least not for a raffle ticket.

I did some over-the-counter trades back then, so if we actually traded (not that raffle ticket nonsense) this might actually be possible.

I certainly didn't.

The only incident of this happining was the BitDNS/NameCoin Bounty, where I pledged to donate 1000 BTC initially, but actually ended up donating only 292 BTC (which back then was roughly around 6000 EUR). It wasn't a very nice thing to do back then, but I apologized and from the few guys that actually pulled through with their pledge, I was one of the biggest donators. Vinced actually promised to share around 30% of the donations with the rest of the BitDNS team, but last I checked they were still in his addresses.
This whole thing is actually something I wanted to talk about for a long time, but it seems off-topic, so I will probably not do this here.
Link to the BitDNS bounty thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitdns-bounty-3500-btc-2072

I know I can't prove this, but this account still has the same ownership as when it was registered in 2009. And I do not remember calling anyone on Skype for such a thing (especially because my English skills back then weren't exactly in a great shape).

I'm still not sure what it is that you are trying to achieve, but either you are some kind of scammer, or one of our memories is failing us. I'm a friendly person, so I assume the latter.
If there's still anything I can help you with please let me know.

I think there was only one smoketoomuch that tried to auction 10000 bitcoins, when that failed, you set up a waffle also, I sent you money and you had me use a service that I had to verify my identity to send money, I think you had to use your real identity also, because there was a real name on the bank statement. You didn't send the full 10000 bitcoins when you said I won, but you sent the amount of coins, that you were saying they were worth then. Who ever was smoketoomuch called me on Skype and helped me setup the computer it was really slow, funny part is the coins are still there.

I did not talk to you on the phone for several hours, and this I know for a fact. You've been accusing me of maybe not being the real SmokeTooMuch in PMs, but I think you are just confusing me with someone else.

Remember yet, you spent 2-3 hours on the phone with me.  Need to know more about the wallet encryption.

Okay, now I am here.
I do not remember setting anything up for you or helping you with anything. When did that supposedly happen?

Also, I am still unsure of what exactly you are trying to achieve. You do not have a wallet, an address, a transaction ID or anything else that is narrowing down what you are trying to find. Is this correct?

Noted. You're not a spammer, so Merit shouldn't restrict you.

So of the few transactions that have not been added  ( would they be added to the main chain after a signature check)

Well that didn't last long (Jr member) because of the merit system it switched me back to newbie status.

I'm assuming that " does not exist " is because they were anonymous, because in the beginning you could post as anonymous and that is why I don't see any of the conversations that I had with people. But I probably had a username back then, because I received pm's. Not sure why it would have been deleted though.

If the transaction was successful, there is no need to even boot up a client or wallet (for years if you don't want to), once you start the client and fully sync the blockchain, the coins will be there. Have you checked the blockexplorer?

Yes I would like to have a copy of that theymos file, if anyone has a copy, could you pm me.

Interesting to see how Hal Finney joined much later, even if he was the first person to ever receive a bitcoin transaction. I guess he stuck to the mailing list.

Also would be interesting to know who the number 2 deleted profile was and the first deleted ones too.

About finding orphaned blocks older than what is seen on blockchain info, you can use -printblocktree or just use this file that theymos posted of his own node:

https://www.mirrored.to/files/1EB4UZDD/printblocktree.txt.bz2_links

It would have been nice to see 102-130

Here you go:
1. admin
2. does not exist
3. satoshi
4. sirius
5. does not exist
6. nandnor
7. does not exist
8. does not exist
9. does not exist
10. Xunie
11. madhatter
12. nanaimogold
13. SmokeTooMuch
14. The Madhatter
15. does not exist
16. xuO4k04c6Ng
17. The Doctor
18. does not exist
19. does not exist
20. does not exist
21. AgoraMutual
22. RogerRabbit
23. 1 currency now
24. dwdollar
25. does not exist
26. NewLibertyStandard
27. riX
28. Sabunir
29. giik
30. BitcoinFX
31. Suggester
32. livingsoulnation
33. m0mchil
34. BlueSky
35. theymos
36. nphyx
37. soultcer
38. garrett
39. fergalish
40. xc
41. I-am-not-anonymous
42. ec
43. foobar
44. does not exist
45. ihrhase
46. Ensayia
47. bit-numismatist
48. Legion
49. Cdecker
50. does not exist
51. DannyM
52. sniff
53. seq2010
54. does not exist
55. SheriffWoody
56. does not exist
57. does not exist
58. does not exist
59. FreedomFirst
60. does not exist
61. does not exist
62. does not exist
63. does not exist
64. does not exist
65. does not exist
66. bdimych
67. does not exist
68. does not exist
69. does not exist
70. does not exist
71. does not exist
72. does not exist
73. does not exist
74. does not exist
75. does not exist
76. does not exist
77. does not exist
78. fluffy
79. does not exist
80. does not exist
81. does not exist
82. does not exist
83. does not exist
84. does not exist
85. does not exist
86. does not exist
87. does not exist
88. bitcoin2paysafe
89. does not exist
90. does not exist
91. does not exist
92. does not exist
93. does not exist
94. does not exist
95. bidcoin
96. summy
97. dsg
98. does not exist
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100. does not exist
101. Goldstein
102. does not exist
103. does not exist
104. does not exist
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123. does not exist
124. does not exist
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127. does not exist
128. does not exist
129. does not exist
130. does not exist
131. gkelly
132. Link2VoIP
133. byronbb
134. bitcoinuser
135. thufir
136. does not exist
137. does not exist
138. does not exist
139. ender_x
140. pnnac
141. does not exist
142. does not exist
143. laszlo
144. greg
145. ducki2p
146. Brandon
147. Minsc
148. does not exist
149. does not exist
150. does not exist
151. does not exist
152. does not exist
153. does not exist
154. generica
155. D҉ataWraith
156. does not exist
157. does not exist
158. kosovito
159. gue5tgue5t
160. does not exist
161. does not exist
162. does not exist
163. Karmicads
164. does not exist
165. komoto
166. does not exist
167. does not exist
168. does not exist
169. does not exist
170. does not exist
171. dmp1ce
172. does not exist
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174. does not exist
175. does not exist
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180. does not exist
181. does not exist
182. Derrick
183. hugolp
184. does not exist
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186. does not exist
187. does not exist
188. does not exist
189. does not exist
190. does not exist
191. does not exist
192. dkaparis
193. does not exist
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195. does not exist
196. does not exist
197. Dynotor
198. allinvain
199. does not exist
200. does not exist

Not sure if there's a quicker way, but you could use excel and draw an auto ascending list from https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/admin-1 to https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/--200 I assume many in between would be test accounts though.

Is there a list of the first two hundred users of this forum. I've seen lists of 30 some but no higher. Any help?

for every PM i get, I get an email...search your email for any old PMs you got.

If some one sent the coins to that walle, then there should be the coins, even if the wallet get down or get offline, the bitcoin network keeps running, so there is no reason to not see the coins on the addy, unless the transaction get a double spend.

Maybe when you take a look at that block you search for a wrong addy, bitcoins doesn't disappear in the air, so if that transaction was really made, it should be listed in the blockchain. 

Get the transaction IDs from Kraken, look them up on a block explorer...

Double check that:
- the second transaction is actually confirmed.
- the second transaction actually sends to the same address as the first transaction.

I would probably start a new post, so that more people would see the subject related to your situation. If you received one transaction and haven't received the other, I would look to make sure that you typed the address the same in both. Then check block chain to make sure the transaction are there. if both are there, then contact coinbase again.

Bob123, thanks for the info, but that only shows back to March of 2014,

This applies to 'normal' transactions.

But maliciously sent transactions which aim to create a double spend do leave transactions inside orphaned blocks which aren't later added to the main chain.

So while the majority of transactions has been added to the mainchain through other blocks, a few have not been added (which are still valid itself in terms signature check).
 

Blocks get orphaned all the time, and as far as I know the orphaned transactions aren't abandoned, they're just added to other blocks again. That makes it very unlikely to find a transaction that's not in the main chain this way.

Thanks for pointing that out. Learnt something new.  

That's not necessarily true.
These transactions do still exist inside of orphaned  blocks.

They are not part of the main chain, but these blocks do exist. And they are indexed and searchable.




You can view the block info of orphaned blocks here: https://www.blockchain.com/en/btc/orphaned-blocks
The orphaned blocks are valid blocks which are not part of the main chain, but contain valid transactions.

Huh? If they're not included in the main chain then they don't exist. There is only one chain - the longest chain - the "main chain".

Does anyone know how to see transactions that are good, that are not included in the main chain.

A cold wallet is simply a wallet which is not connected to the internet in any way. And a wallet is a piece of software which manages your private- and public- keys.
Whether a transactions went trough only depends on whether it has been included into a block. It doesn't matter whether the private key to access these funds is stored offline or online.

Thank you LoyceV for that info. When we were talking about transactions in 2010, if the coins still show up in an old  address, and they were sent to a cold wallet address, does that mean that the transaction never went through.

Make 7 more posts (don't spam!), and you'll be a Jr. Member, which allows you to PM anybody.

If I could pm him I would, but changes to this forum since 2010 won't allow me based on the newbie status. There's other ways of helping me get in touch with him, without giving personal information. Thanks for responding though.

Nope (sorry) I don't have their email address and even if I did then releasing other folks personal details to a completely random entity would not be something I would consider doing.

Anyhow, that account is still active sometimes so maybe you might try to PM them directly?

Does anyone have a email address for smoketoomuch, he helped me setup my computer, you can pm it to me. I can see them, but I cannot respond to them yet. Newbe account. Can't remember the name I used on here in 2010.

PM sent to @Oldnewbie.

Lots of inconsistencies here in what you have posted, so I thought it would be easier to move this here ...

If they actually did send the coins (and they haven't been moved since... the coins would still be attached to that address.


None of this makes any difference... you don't have to create a "receive request" or have your wallet online or synced or running... if the other party created, signed and broadcast a transaction to the network that was subsequently included in a block by a miner... then those coins are attached to that address.

If you don't have the txid, the address or the private key, there's no point in searching for the amount in any transaction.

If you can't get to your wallet, none of the other things matter.

Download this list for all balances per address. Search for the amount you want, then search the addresses on a blockexplorer to find the date.
If it's a common balance, you can expect many hits. If it's something weird (like 1.13141533BTC), you'll get less false positives.

I think the reason I couldn't find it before was that I was searching dates in my time, it's probably all UTC. I'll try that thanks.

Use any online blockexplorer like blockchain.info, enter the block number of the block you want to investigate (you can enter that transaction too).
All the transactions are included there (including the coinbase tx) along with the useful information:

• Number Of Transactions
• Timestamp/Received Time

If it was from 2010 (which you mentioned from your other threads), blocks at that time only consists of <10 transactions,
finding a particular tx wont be that hard.
You might wanna check #50001 and above for transactions from 2010-04-10.

Does anyone know how I can search the block chain for a range of dates and amounts. I would like to find the transaction to see if it went through.

After that "someone" sent you the transaction ID and you can confirm that it has confirmations with blockexplorers (blockchain.info) it's in that wallet, assuming that the address belongs to it.
You can take all the time in the world before syncing/opening that wallet again.

If this actually happened back then, there's nothing else required to complete "that" transaction.
If the bitcoins isn't there after synchronization, either the transaction was dropped or it isn't the correct wallet.dat from 2010.

No, not trolling LoyceV. I haven't found my wallet yet, I bought coins from someone and would like to know how things worked back then so I can try and find them on the drives. I have reasons why I couldn't get to the drives I have. But I read different things on here about how it worked back then. I didn't post everything together because they are different things that I'm trying to find out about. Would a transaction be still in there address on the block chain until I sync my wallet.

This is your seventh topic on this subject. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.
Why don't you put all information in your first topic?

If someone sent bitcoins to one of your addresses and the transaction was mined onto the blockchain, the bitcoins are at your disposal if you still have the private key (or the mnemonic phrase). Whether your node happened to be online and synced doesn't matter. But if a reliable blockchain explorer shows an empty balance for the address, then the balance for that address is empty.

Could you explain what do you mean with this? You don't seperately hit any "receive" or "accept" type of buttons if the transaction has already been sent/broadcasted to the network. An exception is that at least with the current client, you are able to create a custom request for a certain amount for example if receiving payments from different clients.


Even if you have not synced the whole blockchain, the transaction should have been broadcasted within matter of seconds to the network. At that time mempool was pretty empty i guess, so it should have not been dropped from there either. However im not certain if the early clients did that as well, or if you had to sync the whole blockchain before sending. At least the current versions send them to nodes anyway.


Are you sure that he actually sent everything to you? Probably not if you cannot see it in your wallet nor any block explorer.

Can anyone explain what would happen if I created a wallet in 2010 and someone sent coins to the wallet address, gave me a tx number that I stuck in and hit receive, shut the wallet down and left Bitcoin demon running ( It probably didn't sync with the network) and went to work. When I got home the power had been off and the computer was off, I never had it back online since then.  I looked on the block chain at old addresses and don't see that amount around the time it happened.