Topic: transactions don't get confirmed (Read 2975 times)

@yakuza699 Please do not make money with our free service. Thanks.

Are you using a desktop wallet? Maybe restart the blockchain & transactions about 3 times on the wallet

Explain me how did I tried to steal from you?
So true, so true 

Indeed! Keep that in mind yakuza!!
but anyways, all good in the end
and i changed your feedback to neutral.

Another very good saying to keep in mind is:

"If you value your reputation, don't make commitments that you can't keep."

No, there was other agreement.And you're right Danny(as you usually are) I was wrong here.

To OP. Those 9 transactions were confirmed 2hours later and I did returned you the coins so although you negative trust doesn't put me in red please remove it. Do not expect any help with that other transaction.

We have a popular saying to describe what happened here, it says something like the following: "who tries to help others always has a bad ending". Sadly, it is true.

Thank you!
Pretty silly you don't want to trade with me ever again because you tried to steal from me but I didn't agree with that, don't you think that yourself? I didn't do anything wrong, I paid immediately after u sended ur btc address and that's all I needed to do. U needed to make sure the transactions got confirmed within an hour and you failed.
I thought all hero members would react as adults but I hope you are just an exeption...
If Danny wasn't here to defend me you rpobably would just have stolen my btc...

no there was no other agreement, i asked his btc address and he sended that and said the transactions should be finished within an hour

The commitment that you made when negotiating the transaction was that it WILL confirm within an hour.

Then you were paid.

Then AFTER BEING PAID, you changed your mind and stated "should be confirmed in no longer than an hour".

Unless you engaged in a private conversation where there was an agreement to the possibility that it could take more than an hour BEFORE you accepted payment, then clearly the agreement required that the transaction be confirmed within an hour.

Transactions confirmed, money returned, Will not help OP ever again.
Tx id https://blockchain.info/tx/42c980342d443ac0c4d775fe1ba8092c3f648c0f6ca28f27c5ecac03bd4e81ad

Ok, maybe now you can say it will never get confirmed?
That's the 3rd message then and then you said it will never get confirmed?
You said it, I know you had good intentions, just like me. But you failed delivering the service you promised while I did pay for it, so you should pay me back unless you are a thief.

I wouldn't mind if it would be 1 hour and a few minutes but it's still not there, so please transfer the btc back. U said 'will' and not 'should', and even then it would just be misleading. You don't show any good intentions. Up to you if you transfer them back or not but anyways my btc address :
1H2AKTJciwByYTDEDoUzjB7LKH7G4C18Em
But if you don't I'll keep reporting you to persons willing to trade with you. This is a theft and you can't explain it differently because it just is.

You and me are half right. On one message I said it will and on second I wrote it should.

And I am very disappointed that you made a commitment to a user and then got angry when you couldn't live up to that commitment.

This is a lie.

See here:

Ok so the transactions were confirmed and actually it was me who lost the coins as I am returning the coins to the OP and the transactions were still confirmed. Please the Danny remove that negative trust now. I am really disappointed about you guys 

It's your choice. I just want to tell this, Don't invest more than you can afford to lose.

   ~~MZ~~

What I did was I re-pushed the tx's on f2pool.com/pushtx I am user 3 and all the tx's where pushed by it. Those transactions will be confirmed in the next f2pool block they own about 30% of the hashing power so they mine a block on average every 30minutes. On my messages I said that those transactions SHOULD be confirmed in under 1hour and not that they WILL be confirmed and I said that I will only return money IF the tx's will be mined by someone other than f2pool and only if the tx's won't appear in the next block. Why did you guys labeled me as a scamer after just few minutes?

Danny did you really fault that I will scam for 0.01btc?

So I am not sure what to do now as the transactions will be mined in the next f2pool block, my guesses that the tx should be mined in under 1hour were wrong and the tx's were not mined by anyone else.So far I don't see any reason why should I return the coins.

yes, but on bitfinex u earn interest for offering swaps
with btc i agree it's not worth it but with usd u can get around 30% interest a year, as long as the chance they run away with everything is far less than that 30% a year i think it's a good investment?

I don't think keeping BTC in an exchange is good idea. Just make a paper wallet offline, print it or save it somewhere safe and then delete all the files related to it from computer/mobile. Then withdraw the BTC to the address. You are far more safer than storing in Bitfinex.

   ~~MZ~~

Another random issue:
How safe is bitfinex?
I have all my btc there right now (mostly in swaps), it earns something but not a lot. What's the chance they go down within a year? How trustworthy are they?

I think I'll sell half of my btc there and give swaps for them (earns pretty good) and take the btc out and put them in a paper wallet, a good idea?

tx for informing me, already lost more than 90 btc by thiefs (got less than 10 btc left now) so I'll be careful.
just transferred them all back to an exchange with almost 5 mbtc standard fee
already regret making those small payments to a lot of addresses 
Already sended him a PM some time ago, no response...
Gave him a negative trust feedback but will delete it as soon as i get refunded

IMO you should use a chrome/mozilla Blockchain.info wallet plugin or Mac OS Blockchain.info wallet (if you are using Mac OS) instead of API as when sending tx, signing message etc.. the private key(s) are being synced. So it isn't a good idea.


Well in that case, you are telling is acceptable but I can't tell he is a scammer or thief but what he did was wrong. The BTC leen93 sent was enough but he didn't do it. I think he added low fees as the amount was higher than 0.01BTC but he didn't check the size.

@leen93 : He is online. Try to PM him about this.

   ~~MZ~~

Indeed, I really would be happy if it was confirmed, but I paid 4$ for it. He didn't manage it so he should give it back. Before it was also medium priority, so anyone could say i process it within an hour... I sended him a message but he neglects it i think (or he didn't read it yet)

and Danny, you must be the most thrustworthy person on earth, you even ask to get me refunded before I say something 

oooh, that's why my laptop wasn't reacting anymore and i needed to restart it? I think I only have 2 GB of RAM. The same as my phone lol

It doesn't matter if it confirms soon.  The commitment was to confirm within an hour.  This did not occur.

yakuza699 needs to either refund the payment, or he is a scammer and a thief.

I don't care what I'm using (just tried the blockchain API and it worked fine), as long as I don't need to download something for weeks it's fine
Maybe I should just give it up, but was pretty sure I could make some money with this but if I have to process them manually it will not be profitable...

Yes, I use Bitcoin Core.

It does take a long time the first time you install it.  It also requires a lot of RAM and disk space.

No.  It should only require 100 transactions.

You create 100 transactions that all chain together like this and that each send to wherever it is that you are trying to send to.  Then you broadcast all 100 transactions at once.


You'll either need to create them by hand, or write a program that will create them for you, or find a software tool that can accomplish it for you.


It's possible.  But if you insist on using blockchain.info API then you'll probably need to get someone more experienced with that API to help you.

He added low fees. Anyway, it has medium priority, so it will probably confirm soon.

   ~~MZ~~

ok, thank you, what do you use? bitcoin core? I'm putting the torrent file in now but it takes a really long time

indeed, I paid 0.01 + 0.0001 fee to him (can prove the transaction in the blockchain if you want) but not even 1 confirmation yet 

Yes, taht would also work but ask more transaction (200 instead of 102), but the problem is how do i make 100 transactions...
all seperaetily in blockchain? that's the reason i made the extra steps, i'm not able to do that in an efficient way and dont know if its possible?

It has been an hour.

None of the transactions has confirmed yet.

Please immediately refund the payment or risk being labeled a thief and a scammer.

Yes.  That's what I said.


I don't really use blockchain.info AP at all.  If you want to use blockchain.info API, then you'll probably need to get help from someone else.

Yes, although you are going through quite a few extra and unnecessary steps to accomplish it.

Multiple wallets? Multiple addresses?  What a mess.

One wallet with 2 addresses:
Address A has received a total of more than 100 BTC.

Create 100 transactions to send 1 BTC to address B.

Now address B has 100 outputs each valued at 1 BTC.

Create 100 transactions that each spend exactly 1 output that was received at address B.

Broadcast all 100 transactions at once.

Done.


This is what you did at the beginning of this thread.

You sent a first transaction (unfortunately without a fee).

Then you spent the output from that first transaction in a second transaction before the first transaction has confirmed.
Then you spent the output from that second transaction in a third transaction before the second transaction has confirmed.
Then you spent the output from that third transaction in a fourth transaction before the third transaction has confirmed.
And so on.

You could to the same with 100 transactions all spending the output of the previous transaction.  This is not safe and carries some risks.
If you make an error in an earlier transaction it can effect the later transactions (Such as accidentally failing to include a transaction fee, and then none of the later transactions confirm).
There is also a risk that some of the transactions will be rejected if anyone modifies any of the transactions to result in a different transactionID.

If these risks are acceptable, it is a relatively easy way to create 100 transactions from a single balance.

OMG,
After just thinking a bit after your post
I can just keep 1 address
and transfer 1 BTC from that address to that same address 100 times (in 1 transaction)
then I'll be able to send 0.9999 BTC + 0.1 mbtc to any address (D in the example), right?
At least it's indeed surpassed all the steps A till C (but they were not time consuming, the time consuming part is still transfer to D)
Is it possible to make more transactions in https://blockchain.info/nl/api/blockchain_wallet_api in 1 URL? Probably not?


UPDATE : I tried but it didn't work, tried to include the receiving address more times in the transaction but it only showed up once with the total amount

The transaction is low priority due to the fact that it is larger than 1000 bytes and the fee isn't large enough.

You could have created a higher priority transaction if you had only included 2 or 3 of those inputs instead of all 7 of them.

That is not correct.  Bitcoin doesn't send "from addresses".  It spends unspent outputs.  A single address can receive multiple outputs.  If you spend an output in a transaction, then the change from that transaction shouldn't be spent until that transaction is confirmed. (It can be spent, but it is a risky thing to do since someone else can change your original transaction in a way that makes subsequent transactions invalid).  Meanwhile all the other unspent outputs that were received at the same address can still be spend without waiting for any more confirmations.

As an example:

Assume you have address 1myaddress...

You receive 4 transactions at 1myaddress...

• The first transaction is 1 BTC
• The second transaction is 0.5 BTC
• The third transaction is 3 BTC
• The fourth transaction is 1.5 BTC

You now have received a total of 6 BTC at 1myaddress...  You have 4 separate unspent outputs.

Now, lets say you want to send 3.25 BTC from your wallet.  Your wallet might choose to spend the outputs that were received in the second and third transaction, supplying a total of 3 + 0.5 = 3.5 BTC of value to the transaction.  This transaction then sends 3.25 of that value in a new output to the recipient.  There is 0.25 BTC of value remaining unaccounted for in the transaction.  If you don't do anything with this value, then it becomes a transaction fee for the miners.  Instead, you create a second output in the same transaction which sends 0.2499 BTC to an address you control.  It might be 1myaddress... or it might be some other address, it doesn't really matter.  Now the transaction has 2 outputs, one for 3.25 BTC to your recipient, and one for 0.2499 BTC back to you.  The remaining 0.0001 BTC of value that is unaccounted for becomes a transaction fee for the miner.

Meanwhile, your wallet still has the first and fourth transactions that have been untouched.  This means that you have 0.2499 BTC in your wallet that is still waiting to be confirmed before it can be used in a new transaction, and 1 + 1.5 = 2.5 BTC in your wallet that can still be sent immediately.


Nope. An unspent output is an unspent output.  Bitcoin doesn't care what address it was received at.


Addresses are not used as intputs to transactions.  Unspent outputs are.  I assume that for some reason you want all the previously unspent outputs that a single transaction spends to have been received at the same address as each other (if there are more than one in the transaction).


I'm not certain that I am properly understanding what you are saying here.

I think you are saying that if an address (X) receives 10 separate outputs that have all been confirmed, then each of those outputs can be used once and then they should be confirmed before you try to use them again?  If that is what you are saying, then you are correct.


I'm surprised that it isn't sufficient for a lot of separate outputs.  There aren't very many situations where separate transactions are necessary.  It certainly would be cheaper to send all the separate outputs in a single transaction.  If you really want separate transactions, then you have 2 choices:

Either create a transaction that breaks up your balance into enough separate outputs so that each transaction has one output that it can spend.

Or create a chain of unconfirmed transactions and hope that nobody modifies any of them in a way that will change their transactionID.

omg
now i included a fee
https://blockchain.info/tx/a224898a63430a6c33e9d2e6517cc607bcd37cb0f98eaa723be66a15874e584e
but those transactions are also going to take forever? 

That is because you are probably sending big amounts of coins and those coins are old enough, meaning that transactions has high priority and will be confirmed soon.

usually i do not pay fee and after 10-40 minutes have first confirm !

Okay he paid me, transactions
66c3bb89e6d15acef0edbd4a7554789e52a9597d49ea22b1030774bdb6769c33
4ed44d8d3a2c8cfef1bdae739fd20cf09b63f9acf930682a02b65ec57279c344
1d39badf5f53a5066dd3a13b319b206bbd6a680a9b031d607bbaee9de0a8d251
9b579d773bd6f6810bf1976a33794e3f451a04d7f98200d3700bdbbe14a8b7ec
75a0fbe416794386d5a7a4e876e2e8d4d0237de46f7361029966883cb277ec94
72397123a772dc7cb0f23fec672ace2218e716f49d9d49923ebbda9f3a72900b
84684c63455178196503e3cd80863c5edb96cdfe2a7943e33e10e6778f2d34c3
94d4041e9225699471a58efd56b3f11f4c990736d4644533c74dc3565c1068d5
37dcacb1c678044b4dfad9930983d5083ab015532350c5a3115c0a1df4e7ace2

Should be confirmed in no longer than 1 hour.

How many transactions has A received?  Did it receive the entire 100 BTC in a single transaction to just one of the addresses?  Did it receive 100 transactions sent to each address valued at 0.01 BTC per transaction (for a total of 10000 transactions?

Every transaction received at A is a completely separate output.  They are not merged together as the are received.  The number of outputs determines the size of the transactions as well as the amount of change that is tied up in a transaction sent from wallet A.
  

Ok, so regardless of how many transactions A received, B is going to send 100 BTC in a single transaction with 100 separate outputs each valued at 1 BTC?

Now B has 100 outputs each valued at 1 BTC.


This is all 100 outputs from B spent together in a single transaction to C?  Or is this 100 separate transactions from B to C?

If it is 100 outputs in a single transaction, then the transaction will be nearly 30,000 bytes in size.  At a fee of 0.1 mBTC per 1000 bytes, you will need to include a fee of at least 3.0 mBTC.  Also, it would have been faster, cheaper and easier to just send the 100 BTC from A to C and avoid all the fees and mess that you created with B.

If it is 100 separate outputs to C, then C now has 100 outputs each valued at 0.99999 BTC.  Wouldn't it have been faster and easier to just send the bitcoins directly to C and skip all the mess and cost associated with sending to B?


Do they need to be separate transactions, or are you okay with sending all 100 outputs from the same transaction?  If all 100 outputs can be from the same transaction, then you could have just done that from A and skipped this whole expensive and time consuming mess.  If all 100 outputs need to be from 100 separate transactions, then you could have done that from B.


You really need to explain what you are trying to accomplish instead of how you are trying to do it.  You clearly don't understand how bitcoin transactions work, and therefore are wandering down some convoluted and winding paths that are almost certainly not necessary.


You'll need to be careful about smaller amounts.  You can end up with transactions that have outputs that are so small that peers won't relay them.


Unless you mine the block yourself, it is impossible to guarantee that the transactions will be confirmed in the same block.  The miner (or mining pool) that mines the block gets to choose which transactions they want to include in the block.  They *might* include all of your transactions, but they *might* leave some of your transactions for someone else to confirm in a later block.


Wouldn't it be easier to just send a single transaction from A that has 100 outputs sending whatever amount you want per output?  If they truly need to be separate transactions, then you can split up the balance to separate outputs (Do they really need to be separate addresses?  Can't you just send 100 transactions each spending a separate output that was received at the same address?).  Keep in mind that if you have 100 transactions, there really isn't any way to be certain that they will all be confirmed in the same block.

but you are not online now 
I'll pay you afterwards if you post the miner in this topic before he mined it if that's fine

ok, bitcoin is more complex than i thought after all
i tried but i failed
think i did something wrong with the fees
so lets take wallet A B(100 addresses) C D(100 addresses)
A transfers 100 BTC and 0.1 mbtc to B
(each B receives 1 BTC )
all the B together send 0.999999 BTC each to C + 0.1 mbtc fee
C receives 99.9999 BTC (100 times 0.999999)
C can spend 0.999899 100 times immediately to the different D addresses. (0.1 mbtc fee)
I failed and forgot about the fee so instead of 0.999999 btc i did it with 1 btc which made blockchain taking together many different transactions B-C and left some empty so i cant transfer 100 times in 1 time anymore

Can someone confirm if those numbers are right? (i'm doing transfers in smaller amounts but to make it easy i used 1 btc)
and another thing: how do I do the last step C-D the fastest (because they all need to be in the same block but in a different transaction) ?
If you can solve this problem for me (A-C works perfectly with blockchain API but have no idea how to program 100 transactions in the blockchain api, they are always in 1 transaction
bitcoin core is still and will still take a few days with the torrent I used.
Getting more and more experienced with bitcoin. The last step is to make a lot of those C-D transactions by just a few clicks. This will make me a lot of money for a small time and if you could help me out I'll give you a part of it). I really appreaciate all your help

and yes, i need separate transactions coming from 1 address to 1 other address. I know it doesn't make sense but that's how that website works so I have to do it.

Because of transaction malleability, this is generally a very bad idea.  There is a chance that the earlier transaction will be confirmed with a different transactionID which will result in the following transaction becoming instantly invalid and never confirming.

You should probably try to understand how transactions in the blockchain work.
Every transaction takes a number of inputs and creates a number of outputs (for a moment, I'm ignoring the block-reward transactions that the miners produce).
The sum of inputs equals sum of outputs plus miners fee for the transaction.
The inputs of a transaction are outputs of previous transactions that are in the blockchain. Since you can only include an output entirely, it is possible that the amount available from the inputs does not match the desired outputs, in which case you would generate a "change" output that goes to an address in your wallet. Whether this is a previously used or fresh address does not make a big difference, although it is generally advisable to use fresh addresses for improved security and privacy.
In your example, your first transaction would have a number of inputs totalling 100 BTC from address A (the number of inputs does not matter much except that a large number of inputs results in a large size of the transaction, which increases the required miners fee). The transaction has 100 outputs of 1 BTC each to 100 addresses B1 to B100.
Your second example would have 100 inputs consuming these 100 outputs and one output of its own with C as the target. This kind of bitcoin shuffling does not make much sense, but anyway, we're just following the example.
Now your question seems a little confused: "can i spend 100 times 1 BTC from A then immediately" does not make sense since you already spent 100 BTC from A. Do you mean that you want to spend 100 BTC from C, or do you mean that there would be 100 BTC left in A that you want to spend now?
Either way is possible - your inputs only must refer to outputs of transactions that are in the blockchain already.
There's one special case: If a transaction refers to outputs from another transaction that is not already in the blockchain, both transactions may be included in a block together, so it is possible to spend outputs from a transaction that has not been confirmed yet. I think most wallets only allow this for "change" outputs that they have generated themselves.

In any case, it's best not to confuse wallets, addresses and transaction outputs when reasoning about bitcoin transactions. Try to get a grip on these concepts, then your questions make a lot more sense (and some may already be answered).

Onkel Paul.

None of the following responses are accurate:




Actually, the problem is that he paid 0 fees on the first transaction in a chain of transactions.

First send the money to my address(in my profile) then I will message you by who it will be mined. If it gets mined by any other miner than I will return you the coins(don't worry I will not steal 0.01)

Oh forgot to mention that after I get the coins and message you the transaction will be confirmed in less than one hour.

this transaction will take some time as you paid less fees only 0.00001BTC only

check estd confirmation time and other details here
https://blockchain.info/en/tx/37dcacb1c678044b4dfad9930983d5083ab015532350c5a3115c0a1df4e7ace2

for me that's fine! if you say it before you do it and not just say i did it after it get confirmed automatically

Ok, but I can't force blockchain.info to do that I guess?
Yes, I made a mistake, forgot to include a fee
So just waiting is all I can do?  

Another question:
If I do a payment from A to B1 to B100  (100 times 1 BTC) and from B1 till B100 to C (both in 1 transaction, so only 2 times fee, right?), can i spend 100 times 1 BTC from A then immediately (without waiting and in separate transactions)? (This is how I understood the blockchain works). Just if this is possible?

This transaxtion is causing the problem:
https://blockchain.info/tx/66c3bb89e6d15acef0edbd4a7554789e52a9597d49ea22b1030774bdb6769c33

The other transactions can not confirm until this transaction confirms.  Since this transaction did not include any fee at all, it will take a long time to confirm.

It is impossible to guess how quickly it will confirm.  It might confirm in the next block, it might take a few hours, it might take a few days.

It looks like the transaction was probably sent from a blockchain.info wallet.  If it does not confirm after a few days, blockchain.info will have stopped broadcasting it and peers will all drop the transaction from their memory.  If that happens, then all the transactions that happened after that transaction will become invalid.  All those unconfirmed transactions will then disappear and the bitcoins that they attempted to transfer will all re-appear in your blockchain.info wallet.

Maybe he have miners friends , or have some experience in this matter.
But if you patient enough to wait , your tx will be confirmed but nobody can't predict when that will happen.

how can u do that ?

If you will pay me 0.01 I will confirm all of those 10 those transactions faster than one hour, so that is 0.001 per one transaction.

Well, that is true, if you email support, you may have a chance to get your coins back.

Since the wallet send the change back to the same address in the same transaction which is unconfirmed, transactions after that will not be confirmed unless the transaction which the change is in confirms since those transaction spends the change coins. If you choose to spend a output which is confirmed, the transaction will get confirmed in the next block if transaction fees is high enough.

If you include a 0.01mbtc transaction fees in a transaction and it gets confirmed quickly, it may be because of your coins having high coin age or a pool which mined that block having a policy of accepting transactions which have low transaction fees.

but if transaction is not there on time the website will just steal them i guess
so it's all because of that 1 trnsaction without a fee (was an accident) that the others don't confirm too?
0.01 mbtc works perfectly all the time with my previous few 1000 transactions

some time is still today?

In order for your transaction to be regarded as a free transaction, your outputs must be more than 0.01 and your inputs must have a high coin age. In this case, even though you placed a transaction fee and your outputs are all more than 0.01, the coin age is too low, thus your priority is low. The recommended transaction fee for your transaction is 0.0001, but you included one that is less than that. Your coins will eventually get confirmed but it would require some time.

No you'll not lose your bitcoins it'll take more time to get confirms,because you've paid only 0.00001 (0.0001 is recommended) as fees.

How long has it been since you sent them and did you pay miners fee?

https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1MULaVye74TyDiUfd9sQLVTBbSuitE6yhT

how long will those transactions take to get confirmed?
They urgently need to be processed (or cancelled), if they are processed too late I'll lose them all