Oy! Where's the evidence copumpkin ran a passthrough?
As far as I'm aware, he didn't.
Topic: Trendon Shavers - Pirate Pass Through - Crowdsource list (Read 6338 times)
Trolling too has limits.
Questioning Coblee for repaying & scolding his lenders for accepting bitcoins.
Questioning Coblee for repaying & scolding his lenders for accepting bitcoins.
I agree that coblee is a 'nice guy', but I also find it somewhat strange that he is being praised for doing something other than what was stated in his PPT rules.
If he is indeed a 'man of honor' for paying investors back out of his own pocket, then what of the people that give more importance to honoring the exact wording of an initial agreement (regardless of whether that results in a worse situation for investors or not)?
If he is indeed a 'man of honor' for paying investors back out of his own pocket, then what of the people that give more importance to honoring the exact wording of an initial agreement (regardless of whether that results in a worse situation for investors or not)?
I guess noone was forced to take the bitcoins he paid out of his own pocket without being obliged to do that.. :-P
Ente
Exactly, noone was forced to.
That's why it seems his lenders acted immorally by accepting such funds to the detriment of an innocent party (Coblee).
imsaguy was also running a PPT
I agree that coblee is a 'nice guy', but I also find it somewhat strange that he is being praised for doing something other than what was stated in his PPT rules.
If he is indeed a 'man of honor' for paying investors back out of his own pocket, then what of the people that give more importance to honoring the exact wording of an initial agreement (regardless of whether that results in a worse situation for investors or not)?
If he is indeed a 'man of honor' for paying investors back out of his own pocket, then what of the people that give more importance to honoring the exact wording of an initial agreement (regardless of whether that results in a worse situation for investors or not)?
I guess noone was forced to take the bitcoins he paid out of his own pocket without being obliged to do that.. :-P
Ente
I agree that coblee is a 'nice guy', but I also find it somewhat strange that he is being praised for doing something other than what was stated in his PPT rules.
If he is indeed a 'man of honor' for paying investors back out of his own pocket, then what of the people that give more importance to honoring the exact wording of an initial agreement (regardless of whether that results in a worse situation for investors or not)?
If he is indeed a 'man of honor' for paying investors back out of his own pocket, then what of the people that give more importance to honoring the exact wording of an initial agreement (regardless of whether that results in a worse situation for investors or not)?
Sad thing is, even coblee the creator of Litecoin ran a passthrough https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ltcppt-litecoin-pirate-pass-through-closed-91240
coblee repaid all the investors of his pass-through with his own money. No investors of this PPT is owed any money of any sort.
The only list where coblee has to be is in the "members of honor" list.
*EDIT*
Considering the goal of this thread, I think it's safe to say that the amount invested by his LTCPPT is a loss to coblee though. You could ask him how much he loss and add it to the total amount. But you should separate coblee from the rest of the PPT, since it's the only PPT to have never defaulted and that paid back everything.
I haven't realized that, coblee is that nice of a guy. That gives me a shred of hope for this community, at least for that tiny part of it.
Don't be so gloomy
A loss or a sad event is an opportunity for new people to shine. I see it as a sort of natural selection. The rats ran away, while the good people are still around trying to patch the damages. Many people took losses, like, as an example, Kluge who posted just before me. But this guy is working hard to make things right, and if he achieves it, his name is on the honor roll and there's no doubt that person is an asset to this community. Even if, at short-term, some people are taking losses, I believe that on the long-term, these people are going to turn that loss into a profit.
I think a lot of people would be uncomfortable with that information being released to anyone other than government investigators
Erm, FTFY?
Not sure how I got up there, or why it's been repeated (this isn't the only place) that I ran a PPT. I had ~8k BTC assets. 1k was in Pirate after the Vegas Meetup. Prior to that, I was pretty unusually opposed to Pirate out of the lenders of the time and wrote into loan contracts that lendee's funds could not go into a Pirate account, though that was unsurprisingly broken as it turned out. If you want to give me a pass-through charge, you could at best call me a JRO pass-through, where I'm still working on covering that $40k loss out of pocket.
The ultimate goal was to get deposit addresses from PPT's used to fund their BS&T accounts in an attempt to track the coins.
But since no PPT have responded I would assume they are not interested in participating so it's probably not going to happen.
I think a lot of people would be uncomfortable with that information being released to anyone other than government investigators and that some PPT operators probably won't give that information up even if presented with an official request.
I think that many people have misgivings about the creation of an informal repository of information which can't actually be used by investigators. what's the actual point of the community playing "follow the coins" when investigators would need to do it for themselves in order to be able to use any information that process reveals?
Hashking also ran a "im sending pirate 10,000 BTC retarded investment that is supposedly still compounding interest at 7% per week" deal.
LOL!!
LOL!!
Sad thing is, even coblee the creator of Litecoin ran a passthrough https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ltcppt-litecoin-pirate-pass-through-closed-91240
coblee repaid all the investors of his pass-through with his own money. No investors of this PPT is owed any money of any sort.
The only list where coblee has to be is in the "members of honor" list.
*EDIT*
Considering the goal of this thread, I think it's safe to say that the amount invested by his LTCPPT is a loss to coblee though. You could ask him how much he loss and add it to the total amount. But you should separate coblee from the rest of the PPT, since it's the only PPT to have never defaulted and that paid back everything.
I haven't realized that, coblee is that nice of a guy. That gives me a shred of hope for this community, at least for that tiny part of it.
While there has been much (unproven) speculation that some PPT's may have colluded with pirate there is currently no definitive proof of that.
This list was started NOT to accuses or lay blame but merely to create a list of all PPTs.
The ultimate goal was to get deposit addresses from PPT's used to fund their BS&T accounts in an attempt to track the coins.
But since no PPT have responded I would assume they are not interested in participating so it's probably not going to happen.
This list was started NOT to accuses or lay blame but merely to create a list of all PPTs.
The ultimate goal was to get deposit addresses from PPT's used to fund their BS&T accounts in an attempt to track the coins.
But since no PPT have responded I would assume they are not interested in participating so it's probably not going to happen.
coblee repaid inventors but is probably due funds from BS&T, yes?
Yeah, he paid from his own pocket. You should ask him for more details, he's still around working on Litecoin.
I would add that, for his reputation, if you want to keep him in your list, he should be in a separated category. I was one of the investors with his PPT, and coblee has been a pure class act through all this mess. He never guaranteed the deposits, and never gave any hint of it, but still took 100% of the loss on him. This guy has my complete trust, and should not be listed with "possible" associates of pirate. Since he's also the main developer behind Litecoin, I think it's important to specify that part and keep his reputation clean.
coblee repaid inventors but is probably due funds from BS&T, yes?
Sad thing is, even coblee the creator of Litecoin ran a passthrough https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ltcppt-litecoin-pirate-pass-through-closed-91240
coblee repaid all the investors of his pass-through with his own money. No investors of this PPT is owed any money of any sort.
The only list where coblee has to be is in the "members of honor" list.
*EDIT*
Considering the goal of this thread, I think it's safe to say that the amount invested by his LTCPPT is a loss to coblee though. You could ask him how much he loss and add it to the total amount. But you should separate coblee from the rest of the PPT, since it's the only PPT to have never defaulted and that paid back everything.
I thought GigaVPS ran a PPT too.
There is no evidence or thread to suggest GIgaVPS was a PPT. I've removed him from the list. Thx.
Sad thing is, even coblee the creator of Litecoin ran a passthrough https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ltcppt-litecoin-pirate-pass-through-closed-91240
Thanks. I'll updated the list.
I've very surprised that this thread has not seen more activity.
Sad thing is, even coblee the creator of Litecoin ran a passthrough https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ltcppt-litecoin-pirate-pass-through-closed-91240
I'll put that on the list.
I thought GigaVPS ran a PPT too.
We know that many people outside the bitcoin commuinty are following these Trendon Shaver threads. Thank you for you assistance so far.
We have another request.
Trendon Shavers my have been in the past or currently using assumed names or an alias. If you have seen or know this guy and know him by a name other then Trendon Shavors we'd like to hear from you.
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We have another request.
Trendon Shavers my have been in the past or currently using assumed names or an alias. If you have seen or know this guy and know him by a name other then Trendon Shavors we'd like to hear from you.
http://trendonshavers.com/
Shavors?
I wouldn't even have said anything, but it's been a week....
I wouldn't even have said anything, but it's been a week....
Don't understand the question
..maybe the typo in the topic..
Ente
Don't understand the question...
EDIT: Corrected typo.
EDIT: Corrected typo.
Shavors?
I wouldn't even have said anything, but it's been a week....
I wouldn't even have said anything, but it's been a week....
2nd post updated
DeaDTerra, Burt W, Patrick Harnett and Goat also operated PPTs. So did ineededausername, teek and usagi.
Hashking ran a PPT.
BCB, i made a backup of the whole glbse-website on 2012-09-07 so nearly 2 month ago. I believe at that time the PPTs were still available on the market. I backed up all the publicly available info on the websites.
That contains the javascript too that included all the data needed to create the graphs. So the backup should include the trades from ipo till backuptime, the time of trade, volume and price of trade. Then the company details of each object like it could be seen there and the dividends paid.
The javascript isnt working anymore of course but the data is still in the sourcecode.
Let me know if that is of interest for you.
That contains the javascript too that included all the data needed to create the graphs. So the backup should include the trades from ipo till backuptime, the time of trade, volume and price of trade. Then the company details of each object like it could be seen there and the dividends paid.
The javascript isnt working anymore of course but the data is still in the sourcecode.
Let me know if that is of interest for you.
reserved
PPT's
Chaang Noi (Goat)
coblee (repaid creditors 100% - see post #18 below)
copumpkin
DeaDTerra (wound down prior to the default)
FOO.PPPPT(bitfoo)(Brendio)
Hashking
imsaguy
ineededausername
kluge
Patrick Harnett
payb.tc
PPT BIB.PIRATE (Brendio)
Burt W
PPT's
Chaang Noi (Goat)
coblee (repaid creditors 100% - see post #18 below)
copumpkin
FOO.PPPPT(bitfoo)(Brendio)
Hashking
imsaguy
ineededausername
kluge
Patrick Harnett
payb.tc
PPT BIB.PIRATE (Brendio)
Burt W
I have been inundated with info and I'm trying to keep track and continue to connect all the dots.
I was not an investor in any of the vehicles and did not follow any of the bitcoin threads much.
However for my edification and the community's approval. Could you help me create and complete list of PPT's and if you know, who rant then and any estimated value
PPT Operator Estimated Value
Thanks
EDIT: or pm me if you prefer. And if you think this is a bad idea I'd be glad to take it down. The goal is to attempt to determint amount due to creditors and then extrapolate the value of any assets that trendon may still be holding.
I was not an investor in any of the vehicles and did not follow any of the bitcoin threads much.
However for my edification and the community's approval. Could you help me create and complete list of PPT's and if you know, who rant then and any estimated value
PPT Operator Estimated Value
Thanks
EDIT: or pm me if you prefer. And if you think this is a bad idea I'd be glad to take it down. The goal is to attempt to determint amount due to creditors and then extrapolate the value of any assets that trendon may still be holding.
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