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Quote from: Coin-Keeper on March 14, 2021, 04:22:29 PM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on March 13, 2021, 07:26:43 PM

I figure it out, forgot to post my update.
When you send bitcoins to an address the remained amount is moved to a new address, which is not listed anywhere but it's includes in your total sum. I summed up the amount in all the addresses I had the "leftovers" moved to and they equal to this "mysterious" amount I was wondering where it came from.
I don't know if there's a way to see those used addresses somehow in the Trezor Suite other than exporting all the transactions in the file.
Cheers

Side note: Using the XPUB as a watch only, does not include those hidden addresses, just those generated by the user to receive funds. You can still add those addresses manually if you take them from the list with all transactions.

Curious why you are not using Electrum as NeuroticFish suggested above. I do that also. Many elect to use only the Trezor site but that is a glaring problem as you found out. Also, as a side note if privacy is important to you I would argue that Electrum servers are better than using only one server from the "mothership". Many users have no concerns/needs regarding being private and only want to know they are secure. In that case either option is very secure in tandem with a hardware wallet!

It's just because I don't use my Trezor so often to connect it here and there. That's why I have the Sentinel , just to monitor the amount in the wallet and watch some other addresses. So basically my Trezor is connected as fewer times as possible to any Device with Internet. I update the firmware when is needed of course, and I'm thinking of buying one more Trezor wallet to have a backup device in case something happens with the one I have now. The way to export the transaction history in a spreadsheet is working good enough.
Thanks guys for the help, at least I was happy surprised to see that I have more coins than I expected :-D

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Quote from: Coin-Keeper on March 14, 2021, 04:22:29 PM

Also, as a side note if privacy is important to you I would argue that Electrum servers are better than using only one server from the "mothership".

I might argue the opposite. If every time you open your wallet you connect to one of Trezor's servers to receive up to date balances for your wallet addresses, then Trezor know all the addresses in your wallet. If every time you open your wallet you connect to a different public Electrum server, then you are potentially telling dozens of different people all the addresses in your wallet. If you want to use Electrum and privacy is important to you, then you should be running your own Electrum server and pointing your Electrum wallet(s) at it and only it, or potentially using the server of someone else who you know and trust with your privacy.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on March 13, 2021, 07:26:43 PM

I figure it out, forgot to post my update.
When you send bitcoins to an address the remained amount is moved to a new address, which is not listed anywhere but it's includes in your total sum. I summed up the amount in all the addresses I had the "leftovers" moved to and they equal to this "mysterious" amount I was wondering where it came from.
I don't know if there's a way to see those used addresses somehow in the Trezor Suite other than exporting all the transactions in the file.
Cheers

Side note: Using the XPUB as a watch only, does not include those hidden addresses, just those generated by the user to receive funds. You can still add those addresses manually if you take them from the list with all transactions.

Curious why you are not using Electrum as NeuroticFish suggested above. I do that also. Many elect to use only the Trezor site but that is a glaring problem as you found out. Also, as a side note if privacy is important to you I would argue that Electrum servers are better than using only one server from the "mothership". Many users have no concerns/needs regarding being private and only want to know they are secure. In that case either option is very secure in tandem with a hardware wallet!

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on March 14, 2021, 11:55:57 AM

then you'll need to link your Trezor to another piece of software such as Electrum.

As somebody using hardware wallet mostly with Electrum (although my HW is not Trezor), this is what I'd also suggest.

Get Electrum, obviously from Electrum.org and verify the signature, plug the HW to the computer/laptop and init Electrum with your HW. (And no need for xPub.)
You may want to change the settings to see the funds in BTC and you should go to View->Show Addresses. Then in the Addresses tab you'll see for each address the funds, the tx count and you can also select to spend from the addresses you want. All handy.

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on March 13, 2021, 07:26:43 PM

I don't know if there's a way to see those used addresses somehow in the Trezor Suite other than exporting all the transactions in the file.

There isn't, unfortunately, without using a third party wallet. It's a bit of an oversight on Trezor's part, in my opinion, but I guess they want to keep the interface as simple as possible for the casual user. If you want to view individual addresses and use proper coin control, then you'll need to link your Trezor to another piece of software such as Electrum.

See the following:

Quote from: https://wiki.trezor.io/Change_address

The process takes place in the background, and no user action is required. Trezor Wallet doesn't show change addresses generated by the account.

It is possible to see which change addresses were generated by the account using Electrum wallet.

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I figure it out, forgot to post my update.
When you send bitcoins to an address the remained amount is moved to a new address, which is not listed anywhere but it's includes in your total sum. I summed up the amount in all the addresses I had the "leftovers" moved to and they equal to this "mysterious" amount I was wondering where it came from.
I don't know if there's a way to see those used addresses somehow in the Trezor Suite other than exporting all the transactions in the file.
Cheers

Side note: Using the XPUB as a watch only, does not include those hidden addresses, just those generated by the user to receive funds. You can still add those addresses manually if you take them from the list with all transactions.

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Quote from: Rath_ on January 21, 2021, 12:08:15 PM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on January 21, 2021, 10:57:25 AM

[...] when I check to total sum of all the addresses on block explorer, there are less coins that the in the trezor balance.

Do you recall having a change output in any of your transactions? That could be the cause.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on January 21, 2021, 10:57:25 AM

Is there a way to list all the addresses accosted with the wallet and having balance in them?

Yes, the easiest way would be probably to use Electrum for that. However, using a public key for each account might be a better idea than adding every single address to a watchlist manually. As far as I remember, Sentinel supports public keys. This guide shows how to get public keys for each account on wallet.trezor.io.

Thanks a ton, I was actually reading yesterday about adding my pub key and follow the whole wallet, but I thought that adding those addresses should be enough as I have some btc in the spambuster's donation address which is excluded from the total. Seems like this is the best idea as I don't really use Electrum, only for verifying messages. I knew I can count on you and I was 100% sure that you were the one to answer my stupid question. Thank you

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on January 21, 2021, 10:57:25 AM

[...] when I check to total sum of all the addresses on block explorer, there are less coins that the in the trezor balance.

Do you recall having a change output in any of your transactions? That could be the cause.

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on January 21, 2021, 10:57:25 AM

Is there a way to list all the addresses accosted with the wallet and having balance in them?

Yes, the easiest way would be probably to use Electrum for that. However, using a public key for each account might be a better idea than adding every single address to a watchlist manually. As far as I remember, Sentinel supports public keys. This guide shows how to get public keys for each account on wallet.trezor.io.

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I have 5 generated receiving addresses in my trezor account, when I check to total sum of all the addresses on block explorer, there are less coins that the in the trezor balance. I use Sentinel for the watch those addresses but the balance is always less than what I have in account. Is there a way to list all the addresses accosted with the wallet and having balance in them?

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