Topic: Troll takeover? (Read 2416 times)

...and some times in not so extreme cases:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/staff-hypocrisy-and-selective-enforcement-of-rules-853522
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=858730.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=718663.0;all

It's more of a scam artist takeover than simly a troll takeover.

You were asking for evidence?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/staffmoderator-double-standards-and-selective-enforcment-of-rules-917438

This is itself a troll post.

That's why it's in the Meta sub.

So this is becoming one of those threads where someone fights Vod again?
No, staff doesn't clearly moderate the trust system. Unless you can find evidence to back up your claims, you should keep quiet.

Is this another one of those insults you didn't make?

I was going to say its a surge of interest because of Bitstamp crashing combined with some people looking at it in the new year
But I like the beartard argument myself

Yep - I'm with hilarious on this one.  You are a nut job.   

Lol single incident. Thats funny. You don't even have a single complaint let alone a single incident. You have dozens of complaints, and lots of feedback that clearly doesn't follow the guidelines for leaving negative trust. I however have left about 6 total negative feed backs since the trust system existed. It would take a while to count how many you have left. Your situation and my situation are in no way the same, other than the fact that I was punished for something you do quite regularly. Even after stacks of incidents, many of which you refuse to cooperate in, you are not punished or even publicly redressed by the staff.

One day I may get my single incident and get removed like you were.  But so far I'm smart enough to do the right thing.   

No, clearly it is because no action is ever taken against you that it is clear they support you, while others are thrown under a bus after a single incident. Keep practicing those mental gymnastics, maybe some day you will get the medal.

No tool is perfect, and I reckon a lot comes down to the skill / instinct / talent or whatever of the user. I have found https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ryans-log-672187 useful. And yes, I do think they have been remotely right. Not everytime, but hey... You don't have to win every single trade as long your bottom line ends up positive. If you can't deal with loss then trading is not for you. Even the best make bad trades too.

So because the moderators here don't openly criticize me, you think that means they support me?

So because I didn't openly criticize you that means I supported you? No not really. In fact I told explicitly you that I thought your behavior was becoming excessive, but instead of controlling yourself you became even worse.

It's funny you post that now, because you used to agree with my position when you were in the DefaultTrust.   

It is funny you say that now, because at the time you seemed to agree with my position. Funny how that changed once I started openly criticizing your own trust practices.

Quote from: TECSHARE on November 06, 2014, 09:47:05 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on November 06, 2014, 08:42:23 AM
these:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/land-mines-vietnam-era-warning-sign-red-enamel-metal-tell-the-world-u-mines-32469
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--844619
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9438300
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9438146

This has nothing to do with risk. It is the principal of the matter. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing in the first place. He was provided many opportunities to leave or diffuse the situation, instead every step of the way he chose to escalate. I have already taken several steps to deescalate this situation. He has taken none.

I feel I have zero obligations to compromise with him in any way, especially since he has demonstrated he is unwilling to do so when offered. Instead he opted to dictate to me what he wants done. He has no leverage at this point. Regardless of this I am again stating I am open to deleting his feedback if he removes his posts in my op, locks this thread, and deletes me from his signature. He can learn to act like an adult or live with my feedback. Its his choice.

VOD: That's fair.  I would react the same way.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9453332

VODS edited post:
You decided to retract your outright accusations that I am lying by editing your post. I suppose that is a good step. As far as my "responsibilities", no one ever asked me to agree to any responsibilities or explained anything to me, I was just added one day because I take extraneous efforts to make sure everyone I deal with is treated fairly, but feel free to edit the narrative any way you like after the fact.

Jesus Christ  . Sigh. It's embarrassing watching you continually spout this nonsense. I cannot believe you actually think the trolls here are a byproduct of staff 'moderating' trust (which they are not). I'm done with you now. You are clearly not rational.


People can try make predictions based on charts or other such 'tools' but have any of them ever been even remotely right? I haven't seen any.


It's a bingo (but now yet another thread derailed by Techshare).

No they don't.  You're just upset you couldn't handle the responsibilities of DefaultTrust.   

They like to tell everyone they don't moderate trust but they clearly do. They do so by threatening removal of trust from individuals lower in their trust tree in order to extort action from lower level trusted users. If you really care about my personal involvement in the issue you can read about it here:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9495269

Staff don't moderate trust.  TECSHARE hopes that if he lies enough times, some people will start to believe him and propagate the lie further.

To be fair there are a few members trying to analyse the market using various tools and I found a (very) few threads in the speculation subforum interesting enough to watch. While the majority falls into the before mentioned three groups there are a few notable exceptions.


I don't feel the "Get rich quick" group generally would spend lots of time and energy venting their resentment on this forum. It doesn't really benefit them in any way. I would expect them to at most make a few posts and then to move on. What would motivate them to keep complaining for more than a month? I think there must be other motivators for the sustained trolling. Market manipulation seems the most obvious one to me, though I wonder if posting on this forum is an effective to manipulate anything.


Since when do staff moderate trust? I never got that memo... Is it true? Sounds like you got burnt and are taking it out on... Anyone other then yourself. Just my totally unfounded opinion though.

IMO the influx of trolling and infighting is due to the fact that STAFF NOW MODERATE TRUST. This has become a very effective methods for trolls to make accusation after accusation against trusted members in order to make sure they are burned by the staff run witch hunt. This is a simple way for burned scammers and trolls to get retribution, by burning down a trusted user's hard earned trust (often takes years to build). This results in all sorts of infighting and forces long trusted members to have to defend their reputations from any user who can manage to type up a complaint about their trust rating. This is causing the community to eat itself from the inside out, and the staff are helping the trolls rip this community apart, realizing it or not.

I think that as was said above, too many folks bought into bitcoin at the same time as a sort of get-rich-quick scheme.  This is what caused the price to skyrocket so high.  Now, slowly but surely, these folks decide "whoops" and sell off their bitcoins.  Those of us who bought in early haven't lost money and are still around, still hashing blocks, still developing cool technology on the protocol. 

I don't think anyone does when it comes to the price/valuation. I don't really go/post in the Speculation sub becsuse it seems to be just kids saying the same three things you mentioned day in day out thread after thread.

there are 3 types of posters in the speculation sub.
1. To The Moon!
2. Sky Is Falling!
3. Sideways forever!

none of them know what they are talking about.

I don't think there are any more or less trolls here than usual, some days they are just a little louder.
You must use your own judgement!

Have you not seen the price? That's why.


Yeah I agree. Some people just get excited by the activity, though some people have an agenda or just like to troll. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if some people are getting paid to troll/AstroTurf.


As BadBear said you can report people who are seemingly just posting the bare minimum but remember newbs are always going to newb and you don't need to write an essay for each individual post, but I agree with you if people are just putting next to no effort in but this can happen with or without signature campaigns and usually a warning or short temp ban will make them reconsider their contributions.

This is one of the things I look for, but it can be hard to spot just from looking at a post history, usually requires reading or participating in the thread they post in. You should report it.

I used to think no one was getting paid to troll, but while I still think it's unlikely, I'm not so sure

Many abuse signature campaigns. I see accounts writing 2-3 line comments that on superficial inspection seem to be fine but actually show the poster has not even read the thread and/or understands the subject. Sure, some campaigns filter out obvious spam posts. But there are many low quality posts because of the signature campaigns.

But I feel that is a separate problem. Trolls and accounts spreading fud in attempt to manipulate the markets have been poisoning the forum for a long time. There is still value here, but you have to look good to find it.

lol i still cant beileve how low the price has dropped to the last time i purchased bitcoin ...amazing , will it drop further or go higher...we will see

A lot of signature campaigns have rules and guidelines and they often check peoples posts to make sure they are not spamming their way to the top or to exceed posts or to make sure its not just a 1 liner or lol  bump and try getting paid for it. In fact a lot of signature campaigns now set limits in place like a max of 100 to 300 and some only have a max of 50 posts counted in a month due to the overwhelming amount of people that where abusing the power of it. Myself I like them as to many others do to. Some abuse it and just cause more to run into problems with spam. Its a cheap way to get exposure for business to grow and expand providing they get the exposure and customers. Some it is money wasted but gets their name out their for the future and ranking across places like alex ranks.

You mean last few years?

This forum is definately full of trolls. They just spam so that they can get into their signature campaigns.

There have always been trolls and there always be trolls, whatever their motives are.

Indeed Bcointalk has many trolls however I do like a good troll fight and love the fud they like to spread and drop prices on things. Gives me a warm feeling when I know prices get trolled down and panic sellers be panicking and selling and I just end up buying and holding for the future when it goes back up after a few days.

Altcoin fanatics are as guilty as any group for their Bitcoin is doomed prophecies.

They like to think the shitcoin they hold large numbers of will overtake the big BTC.

I think the serious bitcoin developers consider almost all of this forum as trolling. 

Actually this man is right. Either those people are being paid or are mentally dead.

They can choose which option they like better. 

It's probably a little of both, during these "down" times it seems like alot of people try to spread FUD to drive/keep prices down so they can buy more.

Well, I dont think they are paid to spread FUD. But, I think, they are frustrated due to the recent price fall. These people never had the time to read the whitepaper and thought bitcoin is a get rich quick scheme. So, they bought some coins and as the price is low for a while, they are getting hyper.

It is paid beartards trying to drive the price down by scaring people. Trust your own judgement.

Man, is it just me or has this whole forum been taken over by trolls shouting "the sky is falling" in the last few days?

What gives folks?