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Topic: [TROLL-UKKAKE] People who argue with trolls on technical matters are suspicious (Read 597 times)
August 27, 2019, 12:20:02 PM
August 27, 2019, 06:42:59 PM
Frankly you're too boring to care any more about.
So you're not dumb enough to waste that much time , when it will be fruitless in proving your fantasies.
Ah ha so CB messaged you were astroturfing and he bitch slapped you to be quiet also.
I Must Say, CB is kicking your asses like he owns you.
Which btc Core supporter shall CB bitch slap next week?
Same Bat Time, Same Bat Station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alQ0zUjLLmg
FYI:
Personally think CB is a punk.
Considering the nasty things CB said in the other forum , he prefers men in a non-biblical way.
August 27, 2019, 08:30:32 AM
ZEIT is currently ranked #1415 on CMC. What are the odds that you're not the same person? I'd say extremely slim.
Probably in the billions, but it is easier for you to believe it since circumstantial evidences have tainted your judgement.
* I wonder if this means everyone that drinks the same beer is the same person , whoa mind blown. *
So do you think CB is also Gmax, or is your insights only limited to me?
FYI:
Proof would be linked crypto addresses, same IP, or something concrete.
You don't have anything but personal speculation, because it is not accurate.
But don't let reason stop you from enjoying a good witch hunt.
FYI2:
For Centuries Speculation was the earth was the center of the universe,
Factually it was the Sun, but people believe what they want.
FYI3:
Since you're talking with me, I wonder if CB thinks you're "astro-turfing" .
@nutildah, let's really waste your time, go thru and catalog the posting time of me and zang zin,& everyone else you suspect me of being,
and then compare the posting times to see if we are on the same schedule.
Surely the same person would be posting at the exact same times, due to work schedules and such, no matter their alias.
I almost can't wait to find out how many people I actually am.
August 27, 2019, 07:56:56 AM
@nutildah (or anyone else)
were there ever any instances of Aliashraf defending/tag-teaming with other suspected Anonymint alts (i.e. dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck etc)
were there ever any instances of Aliashraf defending/tag-teaming with other suspected Anonymint alts (i.e. dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck etc)
Personally think Shelby Moore III should be unbanned, he was more entertaining than the rest of you combined.
Would Recommend he receive his own topic.
Interesting enough, the only real thing in common most of the screen names have is the fact,
they all showed a greater understanding of crypto and a higher IQ than the general populace that posts here.
So in your opinion, everyone with an IQ over 140 must all be the same person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9YqCP_B7EU
Wonder when people will suspect Carlton Banks is also gmaxwell ,
oops cat out of the bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdmbMaSmSpQ
August 28, 2019, 03:48:53 PM
@DooMAD
don't you think that when your account is 99% arguing with trolls, it makes you look like a fake?
i.e. you're only here to keep the trolling alive, not to stop it?
don't you think that when your account is 99% arguing with trolls, it makes you look like a fake?
i.e. you're only here to keep the trolling alive, not to stop it?
You cannot change stop someone from doing something unless they wanna stop. Most of it's not necessary all of them are trollers.
Some of them could be legit people trying to figure out something they're unaware of.
August 27, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
So, would you like to explain your own personal answers to this question?
I'm a "vigilance over complacency" kind of guy and can't see how you win a debate by only letting the opponent speak, which they will clearly continue doing. Who knows? Maybe they do genuinely believe what they're saying. It's really difficult to tell. But I'm going to err on the side of caution and presume it's malicious (as I can understand you are doing in this topic). It looks to me like an ongoing propaganda campaign by determined disinformation agents. I just don't see how ignoring the problem and allowing the less experienced forum denizens to be mislead helps anything. False narratives need to be challenged.
Doomad you find it 'difficult to tell' you PRESUME its malicious and it looks to you to be propaganda.. but your attitude and presumptions just show you have not done the research to actually know. instead you just jump on the defense wagon of devs' without checking what they got up to.
if you really want to rebutt something, include some code, stats, data. if al you can quote is yourself quoting yourself quoting yourself saying "wrong because idiot" it makes you look more of the idiot than the person your accusing.
so please take the advice and do some research
August 27, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
So do you think CB is also Gmax, or is your insights only limited to me?
Of course not. CB is British whereas Gmax is American. Adding your sunglasses emoji to the end of your comment reminds me of this post you once wrote in the Bcash thread:
1. I like women.
2. I kick your ass for that comment in the real world.
2. I kick your ass for that comment in the real world.
FYI2:
For Centuries Speculation was the earth was the center of the universe,
Factually it was the Sun, but people believe what they want.
For Centuries Speculation was the earth was the center of the universe,
Factually it was the Sun, but people believe what they want.
Factually there is no center of the universe.
FYI3:
Since you're talking with me, I wonder if CB thinks you're "astro-turfing" .
@nutildah, let's really waste your time, go thru and catalog the posting time of me and zang zin,& everyone else you suspect me of being,
and then compare the posting times to see if we are on the same schedule.
Surely the same person would be posting at the exact same times, due to work schedules and such, no matter their alias.
I almost can't wait to find out how many people I actually am.
Since you're talking with me, I wonder if CB thinks you're "astro-turfing" .
@nutildah, let's really waste your time, go thru and catalog the posting time of me and zang zin,& everyone else you suspect me of being,
and then compare the posting times to see if we are on the same schedule.
Surely the same person would be posting at the exact same times, due to work schedules and such, no matter their alias.
I almost can't wait to find out how many people I actually am.
No need for all that as I'm 99% certain you are the same people.
- invade same subject threads with same trolling tactics
- same writing style
- same usage of emojis
- both way into extremely obscure shitcoin
Frankly you're too boring to care any more about.
August 27, 2019, 08:25:29 AM
Actually , Zang Zin very Last post was on Feb 2th, so that blows your theory.
Might want to read the post history a little better next time.
Might want to read the post history a little better next time.
Perhaps, but I don't that's necessary here. Your first post was 32 minutes after his self-declared "last post." Then he took a break until Feb 2nd, during which time you wrote 42 posts. Then you started posting again as Khaos77 on Feb 3rd.
Some of your other similarities (outside of subject matter) include:
-excessive use of emojis, especially when finishing a post
-you both structure your paragraphs in an odd format that doesn't utilize the full width of the text field
-both consistently have improper use of punctuation marks, or lack of punctuation where appropriate
-English is a second (or third) language
The final kicker is you are both fanatics of a virtually unknown microcap coin called ZEIT.
Since i can't get my wallet synced even after downloading the bootstrap, seeing the low difficulty and that all new blocks are created by only 4 addresses i would say Zeit has forked.
ZEIT has not forked, there are some asshats intentionally causing congestion that is blocking many from syncing.
Block explorer is synced and correct.
All Exchanges are matching the block explorer.
There has been an exodus of stakers, Kiklo has even put a call out for more people to stake, but it has gone unanswered.
The community is faltering and failing zeitcoin.
ZEIT is currently ranked #1415 on CMC. What are the odds that you're not the same person? I'd say extremely slim.
@nutildah (or anyone else)
were there ever any instances of Aliashraf defending/tag-teaming with other suspected Anonymint alts (i.e. dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck etc)
were there ever any instances of Aliashraf defending/tag-teaming with other suspected Anonymint alts (i.e. dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck etc)
I'll give it a look over.
August 27, 2019, 07:48:35 AM
@nutildah (or anyone else)
were there ever any instances of Aliashraf defending/tag-teaming with other suspected Anonymint alts (i.e. dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck etc)
were there ever any instances of Aliashraf defending/tag-teaming with other suspected Anonymint alts (i.e. dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck etc)
August 27, 2019, 07:26:13 AM
As far as Zang Zin,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49186218
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49186218
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January 12, 2019, 03:28:19 AM
Considering how badly the forums mods are censoring my posts.
This is my last post in this shithole.
Considering how badly the forums mods are censoring my posts.
This is my last post in this shithole.
What a coincidence: your first post was on the day of his last.
Perhaps you wanted to start over with a fresh reputation; now that this one is starting to sink, you should probably consider starting over again.
August 27, 2019, 07:16:00 AM
- Khak77 _never_ posts in this Meta sub board
- despite that, Khao77 found this thread very quickly
interesting, eh?
August 27, 2019, 06:29:49 AM
Carlton, https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/01/27/disinformation-part-1-how-trolls-control-an-internet-forum/
Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".
I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.
Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".
I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.
you've misunderstood the game
I once discovered that a troll (who you regularly engage) was posting for over 20 hours straight. That means a minimum of 2 people both have the login for that account, and must coordinate their responses in order that they do not contradict themselves when speaking as the single character they pretend to be
look at it another way
if you have good knowledge of Bitcoin, what is the most effective use of it?
Anonymint and Zin-Zang?
you've likely spoken to them both, but they frequently register new usernames to troll BCT with
(khao77 is very likely Zin-Zang, aliashraf is very likely Anonymint)
I actually thought they were Bitcoin Cash hodlers from /r/btc. Haha. Or maybe they are big blockers?
I'll "try my best" to ignore them, although I will miss it. Annoying them has been so much fun.
August 27, 2019, 06:01:24 AM
for all intents and purposes, Aliashraf plays the role of Anonymint's reincarnation whether it really is him evading his ban or not.
He also came to anonymint's defense on the regular
nice work, added to original list
August 27, 2019, 05:54:26 AM
I'm curious about your thought that aliashraf is Anonymint, though. I didn't get that impression, although I can see some similarities.
- similarities in style/tone/presentation
- similraties in the areas of knowledge used
- appeared very shortly after Anonymint was perma-banned
not definitive, but for all intents and purposes, Aliashraf plays the role of Anonymint's reincarnation whether it really is him evading his ban or not.
He also came to anonymint's defense on the regular:
Although @anunymint is somewhat harsh and used a bitter language, I've to acknowledge his contribution as being helpful.
Banning users is cruelty but removing their posts? It is slutter.
Banning users is cruelty but removing their posts? It is slutter.
@anunymint, Shelby is a polemic, a warrior. He goes beyond polemics by too much exaggerations and insistings on lost fronts but it is not his fault, it is ours and our prominent figures in bitcoin who have betrayed the cause, the resistance axiom, who have compromised bitcoin.
A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.
A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.
God forgive me, but this Greg dude is really a troll. I mean it. He seriously trolls in this forum and everywhere else.
Any chance to have him beheaded instead of Shelby?
Any chance to have him beheaded instead of Shelby?
August 27, 2019, 05:30:59 AM
didn't anti-cen and RNC appear between the Zin Zang quitting/ban and the start of Khao77?
@Khak77 can you remember the details?
@Khak77 can you remember the details?
August 27, 2019, 05:25:47 AM
yeah, those are fairly obvious attempts to either evade the Zin Zang ban, or copy the posting style. don't understand why khak77 hasn't been banned yet, tbh
As far as I was aware, the Zin-Zang account wasn't actually banned. They just had a shit-fit over all the negative feedback people left and obviously wanted to wipe the slate clean. I can't be bothered to look up the dates, but the Khaos77 account was definitely registered shortly before the Zin-Zang account made a post declaring they were leaving the forum and not coming back.
August 27, 2019, 05:19:35 AM
I'm curious about your thought that aliashraf is Anonymint, though. I didn't get that impression, although I can see some similarities.
- similarities in style/tone/presentation
- similraties in the areas of knowledge used
- appeared very shortly after Anonymint was perma-banned
- defends Anonymint and petitions revocation of perma-ban
not definitive, but for all intents and purposes, Aliashraf plays the role of Anonymint's reincarnation whether it really is him evading his ban or not.
I expect Aliashraf will get heavily involved in trolling:
- BIP-schnorr
- BIP-taproot
- sighash noinput
which is exactly what you could expect Anonymint/dinofelis/TPTB_need_war/trainscarwreck/Sheldon Moore MCMXCIIII to also get involved (plus new Anonymint alts, of course). Those users, or some of them, will return to get in on the tag-team bukkake, but they are probably all controlled by Anonymint
I'm also interested in where the banned accounts RNC and anti-cen fit into the equation and whether those are more Zin-Zang/Khaos77 accounts.
yeah, those are fairly obvious attempts to either evade the Zin Zang ban, or copy the posting style. don't understand why khak77 hasn't been banned yet, tbh
August 27, 2019, 05:00:57 AM
(khao77 is very likely Zin-Zang, aliashraf is very likely Anonymint)
Khaos77 is 100% Zin-Zang. Not a doubt in my mind. I'm curious about your thought that aliashraf is Anonymint, though. I didn't get that impression, although I can see some similarities.
I'm also interested in where the banned accounts RNC and anti-cen fit into the equation and whether those are more Zin-Zang/Khaos77 accounts.
August 27, 2019, 02:19:46 AM
Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.
we could call them troll orgies, or maybe troll-bukkake?
You know that this thread will also become one of those, right? (khao77 is very likely Zin-Zang, aliashraf is very likely Anonymint)
This is an interesting info I've missed. Thanks for that.
August 27, 2019, 02:15:31 AM
Carlton, https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/01/27/disinformation-part-1-how-trolls-control-an-internet-forum/
Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".
I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.
Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".
I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.
you've misunderstood the game
I once discovered that a troll (who you regularly engage) was posting for over 20 hours straight. That means a minimum of 2 people both have the login for that account, and must coordinate their responses in order that they do not contradict themselves when speaking as the single character they pretend to be
look at it another way
if you have good knowledge of Bitcoin, what is the most effective use of it?
Anonymint and Zin-Zang?
you've likely spoken to them both, but they frequently register new usernames to troll BCT with
(khao77 is very likely Zin-Zang, aliashraf is very likely Anonymint)
August 27, 2019, 01:14:44 AM
Carlton, https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/01/27/disinformation-part-1-how-trolls-control-an-internet-forum/
Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".
I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.
that's exactly what an astro-turfer would say!
indeed, you contribute all over the forum. one could make the argument that I am a former astro-turfer/troll-bukkaker covering my tracks, as I used to engage trolls too much, if only to identify them as such
@WindFURY and @DooMAD exist seemingly only to talk to the trolls though. They barely make any other posts.
Well , it is apparent that WindFURY and DooMAD and Bob123 are the same person,
you're just figuring that out.
Is that what you resort to to make people believe you?
we could call them troll orgies, or maybe troll-bukkake?
In this thread, Anonymint & Zin-Zang take a shit in WindFURY's mouth, WINDFury burps and says 'thankyou, more please!!!'
Anonymint and Zin-Zang?
Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".
I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.
I certainly don't perform "astro-turfing"
that's exactly what an astro-turfer would say!
i usually left the discussion when the troll start going off-topic, insulting other member (where as few others decide to respond with insult) or bring another point which i already discussed previously.
And if i want to do "astro-turfing", i could do it by correcting every single statement which made by people who don't know about technical topics at all which is far easier.
And if i want to do "astro-turfing", i could do it by correcting every single statement which made by people who don't know about technical topics at all which is far easier.
indeed, you contribute all over the forum. one could make the argument that I am a former astro-turfer/troll-bukkaker covering my tracks, as I used to engage trolls too much, if only to identify them as such
@WindFURY and @DooMAD exist seemingly only to talk to the trolls though. They barely make any other posts.
Well , it is apparent that WindFURY and DooMAD and Bob123 are the same person,
you're just figuring that out.
Is that what you resort to to make people believe you?
Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.
we could call them troll orgies, or maybe troll-bukkake?
In this thread, Anonymint & Zin-Zang take a shit in WindFURY's mouth, WINDFury burps and says 'thankyou, more please!!!'
Anonymint and Zin-Zang?
August 26, 2019, 09:57:51 PM
i don't think leaving trolls alone to spread their misleading nonsense without at least one response is such a good idea, specially when their comments are reported they aren't being removed by mods, or maybe they are in that grey area where you can't just brand them as trolls.
but at the same time feeding the trolls is not a good idea either. they have a way of sucking you into a long discussion without any conclusions.
maybe a balance must be reached, where you don't get sucked in while still not letting them mislead.
but at the same time feeding the trolls is not a good idea either. they have a way of sucking you into a long discussion without any conclusions.
maybe a balance must be reached, where you don't get sucked in while still not letting them mislead.
August 26, 2019, 03:06:00 PM
What is the difference between BCT users who argue with technical trolls.
Everyone has pros and cons, in taking a different view, there is no one to obstruct the exercise of personal rights.One thing that you need to learn.
All you can do is accept mooting or articulating, their character for debate, as a Troll.
I have often seen many troll debates on topics in this forum.
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Just because someone has a different opinion from you, that doesn't mean that they are trolls, so PLEASE we can stop lying to this word about willy-nilly. Have courage in your beliefs, stand up for what you say.
Many people say debate, pleasure in discussion for a long time, but most people do it,
I'm sure many are wrong from your point of view "clearly" but have to think before you issue a Troll card.
August 26, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
I certainly don't perform "astro-turfing"
that's exactly what an astro-turfer would say!
i usually left the discussion when the troll start going off-topic, insulting other member (where as few others decide to respond with insult) or bring another point which i already discussed previously.
And if i want to do "astro-turfing", i could do it by correcting every single statement which made by people who don't know about technical topics at all which is far easier.
And if i want to do "astro-turfing", i could do it by correcting every single statement which made by people who don't know about technical topics at all which is far easier.
indeed, you contribute all over the forum. one could make the argument that I am a former astro-turfer/troll-bukkaker covering my tracks, as I used to engage trolls too much, if only to identify them as such
@WindFURY and @DooMAD exist seemingly only to talk to the trolls though. They barely make any other posts.
August 26, 2019, 01:27:55 PM
Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.
we could call them troll orgies, or maybe troll-bukkake?
In this thread, Anonymint & Zin-Zang take a shit in WindFURY's mouth, WINDFury burps and says 'thankyou, more please!!!'
August 26, 2019, 11:22:34 AM
this is really a rhetorical point I'm making, but maybe it will spark a discussion
but certain users should be singled out for this behaviour, notably:
@WindFURY
@DooMAD
but certain users should be singled out for this behaviour, notably:
@WindFURY
@DooMAD
I'm actually a fan of these users. I think WindFURY honestly enjoys provoking anti-Core people, and I enjoy watching him. Let's face it: I have to pick the word "Core" there because that's the part about bitcoin that infuriates their adversaries, like franky1 and khaos77, the most. DooMAD seems honest to me about his intentions and beliefs. I don't think they are part of some plot to keep the debate alive, they just enjoy the sparring.
This guy more comes across as an average user who channels his liferage through the forum. I think he's harmless.
August 26, 2019, 11:16:12 AM
(for the record, pooya87 and ETFBitcoin actually do make contributions to the forum in addition to entertaining trolls)
August 26, 2019, 11:14:03 AM
@DooMAD
don't you think that when your account is 99% arguing with trolls, it makes you look like a fake?
i.e. you're only here to keep the trolling alive, not to stop it?
edit: "sometimes, the only winning move is not to play"
don't you think that when your account is 99% arguing with trolls, it makes you look like a fake?
i.e. you're only here to keep the trolling alive, not to stop it?
I [snip] can't see how you win a debate by only letting the opponent speak
edit: "sometimes, the only winning move is not to play"
August 26, 2019, 10:54:21 AM
So, would you like to explain your own personal answers to this question?
I'm a "vigilance over complacency" kind of guy and can't see how you win a debate by only letting the opponent speak, which they will clearly continue doing. Who knows? Maybe they do genuinely believe what they're saying. It's really difficult to tell. But I'm going to err on the side of caution and presume it's malicious (as I can understand you are doing in this topic). It looks to me like an ongoing propaganda campaign by determined disinformation agents. I just don't see how ignoring the problem and allowing the less experienced forum denizens to be mislead helps anything. False narratives need to be challenged.
August 26, 2019, 10:41:16 AM
It is very difficult to say with certainty that someone is a “troll” in the technical section. If someone is making a point, and it hasn’t been refuted, their point should be refuted. I don’t think there is a need to beat a dead horse so to speak if they don’t agree after having their points refuted.
Frankly, I don’t think the “trolls” you are referring to are very convincing, nor do they make strong points.
Frankly, I don’t think the “trolls” you are referring to are very convincing, nor do they make strong points.
August 26, 2019, 10:37:10 AM
You should defend your viewpoint/stance and others who are looking can come to their own conclusions.
what's with the "should" part?
I am defending my stance so that others can come to their own conclusions: in this thread, that you posted in
August 26, 2019, 10:33:19 AM
Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.
August 26, 2019, 10:24:30 AM
this is really a rhetorical point I'm making, but maybe it will spark a discussion
but certain users should be singled out for this behaviour, notably:
@WindFURY
@DooMAD
@ETFBitcoin
@pooya87
(perhaps other notorious users have been left out, I'll add later if I think of them)
So, would you like to explain your own personal answers to this question?
but certain users should be singled out for this behaviour, notably:
@WindFURY
@DooMAD
@ETFBitcoin
@pooya87
(perhaps other notorious users have been left out, I'll add later if I think of them)
So, would you like to explain your own personal answers to this question?
August 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
People have the right to have their own opinions on technical matters. Just because you believe something is the best way to achieve something doesn’t mean that someone who disagrees with you wrong. You should defend your viewpoint/stance and others who are looking can come to their own conclusions.
August 26, 2019, 10:15:35 AM
Question:
What is the difference between BCT users who argue with technical trolls
and
"astro-turfing" users who are actually working with the trolls to make it appear like there's still a legitimate argument taking place
Example: Segwit thread on Discussion sub
Answer:
Not much
What is the difference between BCT users who argue with technical trolls
and
"astro-turfing" users who are actually working with the trolls to make it appear like there's still a legitimate argument taking place
Example: Segwit thread on Discussion sub
Answer:
Not much
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