^^^ What's up with these Saudis? The Malaysians have made it clear that there was no pork DNA in those chocolate bars. This is a very bad precedent. Now anyone can blame and spread rumors about their (better performing) competitors that they are not halal-compliant (without any proof) and can get away with it.
Cadbury given all clear by Malaysia Islamic body
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/02/cadbury-all-clear-malaysia-islamic-body
Topic: [Trolling] Malaysian Muslims declare jihad on Cadbury over pork-laced chocolate (Read 3812 times)
June 02, 2014, 07:41:00 AM
June 02, 2014, 06:40:36 AM
Well, this is Politics and Society sub-forum of "Other". Religion is, by and large, politics. Besides, what is discussed here is not religion per se, it's human stupidity of hanging on to outdated superstitions.
There is a continuation to this story, so, Balthazar, it's not really trolling from you
‘Cadbury jihad’ in Malaysia puts choc bars on pork test in S. Arabia
http://rt.com/news/162880-chocolate-cadbury-pork-saudi/
Honestly, all humans have traces of pork in them - we have probably about 90% of common genome. Should all good Muslims commit suicide now?
There is a continuation to this story, so, Balthazar, it's not really trolling from you
‘Cadbury jihad’ in Malaysia puts choc bars on pork test in S. Arabia
http://rt.com/news/162880-chocolate-cadbury-pork-saudi/
Honestly, all humans have traces of pork in them - we have probably about 90% of common genome. Should all good Muslims commit suicide now?
June 01, 2014, 09:30:23 AM
should not make news about sara here bitcointalk.org universally available to all religion, culture and customs of each, the better we do not argue religion issue here let us discuss the further development of bitcoin 
May 30, 2014, 10:06:05 PM
The pig DNA probably came from the gelatin, which is used as a galling agent and added in small quantities to chocolates. But I don't understand the need to make so much of a fuss about it. Eating the pig-derived gelatin is not the same as eating pork.
May 30, 2014, 04:39:45 PM
goog to know what jihad means :
Jihad is just an arabic word that means resistance,rebellion and/or protest.We have many kinds of jihad that include Jihad-bil-nafs that is resistance against our ego inside us another one is Jihad-bil-ilm that is to fight and strive for getting education or educating others(not by force of course) another one we have is jihad-bil-maal that is to fight against the lust of wealth and provide and stand for the poor.
Jihad is just an arabic word that means resistance,rebellion and/or protest.We have many kinds of jihad that include Jihad-bil-nafs that is resistance against our ego inside us another one is Jihad-bil-ilm that is to fight and strive for getting education or educating others(not by force of course) another one we have is jihad-bil-maal that is to fight against the lust of wealth and provide and stand for the poor.
May 30, 2014, 04:16:54 PM
Technically all Muslims and Humans in general are part pig if you count part pig as atoms that were part of a pig during their lifetime.
Circle of life, bitch!
Circle of life, bitch!
So by that definition you can eat shit and drink urine since they are part of humans, right? Don't take me wrong here I'm not insulting you or anything just want to show you the major flaw in your logic here
May 30, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
Technically all Muslims and Humans in general are part pig if you count part pig as atoms that were part of a pig during their lifetime.
Circle of life, bitch!
Circle of life, bitch!
May 30, 2014, 01:38:05 PM
I was referring specifically to the Cadbury "incident".
Your silence when Muslims are victims of hate crimes and threats of violence is deafening. Why is that?
Your silence when Muslims are victims of hate crimes and threats of violence is deafening. Why is that?
1. I am against hate crimes and violence.
2. The Cadbury incident does not classify as any of the above. If anyone is a victim of a hate crime, it is the Cadbury's company and its employees.
May 30, 2014, 12:39:30 PM
Will point out the obvious - Jihad means "struggle" not some sort of violent holy war. All Muslims are involved in numerous Jihads, by definition.
The only threats of violence seem to be directed at Muslims - with EDL supporters calling to "Burn all the rag heads" - God bless the EDL. Or Allah bless the EDL, that would probably irritate them more.
The only threats of violence seem to be directed at Muslims - with EDL supporters calling to "Burn all the rag heads" - God bless the EDL. Or Allah bless the EDL, that would probably irritate them more.
All those acts accomplish is making Muslims look more violent and barbaric to the west. Surely on some level these thugs realize this?
May 30, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
Yes... definitely. The London beheading was a prime example.
I was referring specifically to the Cadbury "incident".
Your silence when Muslims are victims of hate crimes and threats of violence is deafening. Why is that?
May 30, 2014, 09:27:26 AM
The only threats of violence seem to be directed at Muslims - with EDL supporters calling to "Burn all the rag heads" - God bless the EDL. Or Allah bless the EDL, that would probably irritate them more.
Yes... definitely. The London beheading was a prime example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
And many more example, such as these:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMsU9Ex-kJY
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173925
May 30, 2014, 02:27:53 AM
Will point out the obvious - Jihad means "struggle" not some sort of violent holy war. All Muslims are involved in numerous Jihads, by definition.
The only threats of violence seem to be directed at Muslims - with EDL supporters calling to "Burn all the rag heads" - God bless the EDL. Or Allah bless the EDL, that would probably irritate them more.
The only threats of violence seem to be directed at Muslims - with EDL supporters calling to "Burn all the rag heads" - God bless the EDL. Or Allah bless the EDL, that would probably irritate them more.
May 30, 2014, 12:42:06 AM
I am more worried about all the palm oil that gets stuffed into products. I've already stopped buying quite a lot of items, and the list is growing.
Why?
Just a small selection:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/198975-what-are-the-dangers-of-palm-oil/
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Palm-oil-proving-unhealthy-for-people-environment-5063474.php
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"What we see is a contest between orangutans and palm oil for home," Sri Suci Utami Atmoko of Jakarta's National University told Thailand's Nation newspaper.
(And now look at my sig.)Plus, the taste is not the same as when real butter is used.
I use palm oil and coconut oil every day in large amounts. My blood lipid panels are off the chart good. Tropical oils are some of the best fats for your body.
May 29, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
I am more worried about all the palm oil that gets stuffed into products. I've already stopped buying quite a lot of items, and the list is growing.
Why?
Just a small selection:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/198975-what-are-the-dangers-of-palm-oil/
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Palm-oil-proving-unhealthy-for-people-environment-5063474.php
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"What we see is a contest between orangutans and palm oil for home," Sri Suci Utami Atmoko of Jakarta's National University told Thailand's Nation newspaper.
(And now look at my sig.)Plus, the taste is not the same as when real butter is used.
May 29, 2014, 02:47:03 PM
Anyway, UMNO's mishandling of that incident was one of the many reason why the lost the Malay support in Selangor(urban Malays,which care didn't for the UMNO's racial politics) and why they are currently being rejected in Selangor.
It is good to hear that the urban Malays are more progressive when compared to those living in the rural regions. But in democracy, the latter will be definitely having a stronger voice, thanks to their numerical superiority.
May 29, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
I am more worried about all the palm oil that gets stuffed into products. I've already stopped buying quite a lot of items, and the list is growing.
Why?
May 29, 2014, 01:00:45 PM
I am more worried about all the palm oil that gets stuffed into products. I've already stopped buying quite a lot of items, and the list is growing.
May 29, 2014, 11:25:59 AM
false advertisement, bad business practice, obviously this company need to be shut down, if you advertise a product as Hallal or Vegetarian or Bio or what ever and you make people pay premium for it, and then you are found guilty there is no other definition to it, this kind of practice can result in death if someone has some allergic to something and he carefully buys a product that is advertised as free of the substance in question ....
May 29, 2014, 11:11:18 AM
http://rt.com/news/161980-cadbury-jihad-pork-chocolate/
Malaysian Muslims declare jihad on Cadbury over pork-laced chocolate
Enraged Muslims in Malaysia have called for a holy war or Jihad to be waged on Cadbury after traces of pig DNA were picked up in their chocolates. As a result of the complaint, the company has pulled two of its products from Malaysian shop shelves.
From the comments:
Malaysian Muslims declare jihad on Cadbury over pork-laced chocolate
Enraged Muslims in Malaysia have called for a holy war or Jihad to be waged on Cadbury after traces of pig DNA were picked up in their chocolates. As a result of the complaint, the company has pulled two of its products from Malaysian shop shelves.
From the comments:
Quote
HAHAHA a Jihad on Cadbury!!!! LOL that made my day.
ALLAHU AKBAR!!! DEATH TO THE CHOCOLATES!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!
ALLAHU AKBAR!!! DEATH TO THE CHOCOLATES!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!
May 29, 2014, 08:42:05 AM
I don't know whether I can trust Wikipedia in this matter or not, as Wikipedia is a bad source for politics-related topics. Here is one example from Wikipedia, for the stories which I have mentioned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_head_protests
Unfortunately every single thing in that page is true.What the article didn't mention was they were universally slammed by the general public (by even by most Malays) about their shameful behaviour,they were lambasted by every single media and news outlet save for two UMNO controlled ultranationalist newspaper/television station.When confronted, they claimed that they were ignorant on the significance of cows to the Hindus.Yes, those yahoos rather be called stupid (which everyone did) instead of being bigots(which they still are).
Anyway, UMNO's mishandling of that incident was one of the many reason why the lost the Malay support in Selangor(urban Malays,which care didn't for the UMNO's racial politics) and why they are currently being rejected in Selangor.
BTW, the reason why the police didn't unleash their dogs(figuratively speaking)was because the protest was relatively peaceful(no matter how abhorrent it was) while the HINDRAF(which really was pushing their luck, the methods were getting progressively unnerving and subversive) rallies weren't(there were claims that agitators were implanted to provoke conflict, something both side accused the other of doing).
May 29, 2014, 01:50:21 AM
Perhaps you would like to share those stories? Maybe I can verify some of those.
I don't know whether I can trust Wikipedia in this matter or not, as Wikipedia is a bad source for politics-related topics. Here is one example from Wikipedia, for the stories which I have mentioned:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_head_protests
May 29, 2014, 01:30:05 AM
Hmm... I have read a lot of stories about the Malays discriminating the non-Malays in Malaysia. Both the Chinese and the third largest minority (Indians) are suffering as a result of it. The suppression of protests by the HINDRAF is a prime example.
Depends on the stories, I suppose.I always suggest double checking your sources and all version available(your HINDRAF examples, for instance would raise eyebrows with anyone more familiar with the matter).Remember, most of the "stories " really are "stories" and are clouded by what ever perception and agenda the storyteller tries to convey.Perhaps you would like to share those stories? Maybe I can verify some of those.
May 29, 2014, 01:18:40 AM
The statement isn't entirely correct:
1)While the system does practice very high level of favouritism(quite shameful,it is) , there is quite a high level of cultural and religious freedom and tolerance(and growing) in Malaysia.Not only that festivals such as Deepavali (Diwali to some), Chinese New Year or even Christmas are celebrated openly(and quite plurally ) ,they are national events(warranting a national holidays)
2) The Chinese have a very strong and effective lobby in Malaysia to the point that the managed to successfully resist and even amend laws that favours Chinese communities at large.The Malaysian Indians on the other hand ,pretty much don't have it that easy.
3)It is mainly an emmigration of highly skilled and educated individuals rather to greener pastures rather than a racially motivated exodus .The data compiled shows that there is ever an increasing percentage of of Muslim and bumiputra (indigenous population) among those .
1)While the system does practice very high level of favouritism(quite shameful,it is) , there is quite a high level of cultural and religious freedom and tolerance(and growing) in Malaysia.Not only that festivals such as Deepavali (Diwali to some), Chinese New Year or even Christmas are celebrated openly(and quite plurally ) ,they are national events(warranting a national holidays)
2) The Chinese have a very strong and effective lobby in Malaysia to the point that the managed to successfully resist and even amend laws that favours Chinese communities at large.The Malaysian Indians on the other hand ,pretty much don't have it that easy.
3)It is mainly an emmigration of highly skilled and educated individuals rather to greener pastures rather than a racially motivated exodus .The data compiled shows that there is ever an increasing percentage of of Muslim and bumiputra (indigenous population) among those .
Hmm... I have read a lot of stories about the Malays discriminating the non-Malays in Malaysia. Both the Chinese and the third largest minority (Indians) are suffering as a result of it. The suppression of protests by the HINDRAF is a prime example.
May 29, 2014, 12:33:01 AM
We should also file a complaint with the Bureau Of Muslim Brothers.
Ironically there is such a thing in Malaysia(kinda), Cadburry was issued a halal certificate which indicate that the product produced and sold locally must complied with the strict regulation(non halal products need not follow this).The fact that his incident occurs suggest that there 's a breach of protocol which either occur in the production/inspection line.Either way someone going to be in(legal) hot waters for this.
May 29, 2014, 12:24:44 AM
Time to call out the Benevolent Order Of Muslims to take care of the infidel candy makers. We should also file a complaint with the Bureau Of Muslim Brothers.
May 29, 2014, 12:09:52 AM
Do you live in Malaysia?
Malaysia is one of the wealthiest nations in the Asian continent, but that was achieved mostly as a result of the hard work by the minority Chinese, who comprise around 1/4th of the population. For the last two decades, the ethnic Chinese are moving out of Malaysia, as a result of religious and linguistic discrimination.
The statement isn't entirely correct:
1)While the system does practice very high level of favouritism(quite shameful,it is) , there is quite a high level of cultural and religious freedom and tolerance(and growing) in Malaysia.Not only that festivals such as Deepavali (Diwali to some), Chinese New Year or even Christmas are celebrated openly(and quite plurally ) ,they are national events(warranting a national holidays)
2) The Chinese have a very strong and effective lobby in Malaysia to the point that the managed to successfully resist and even amend laws that favours Chinese communities at large.The Malaysian Indians on the other hand ,pretty much don't have it that easy.
3)It is mainly an emmigration of highly skilled and educated individuals rather to greener pastures rather than a racially motivated exodus .The data compiled shows that there is ever an increasing percentage of of Muslim and bumiputra (indigenous population) among those .
May 28, 2014, 11:50:11 PM
Perkasa is always been an racist and backward organization created by failed politician just to drum communal sensitivities for political gain.You might as well take Westboro seriously if you're planning to associate Perkasa with any sense of credibility.
Do you live in Malaysia? Malaysia is one of the wealthiest nations in the Asian continent, but that was achieved mostly as a result of the hard work by the minority Chinese, who comprise around 1/4th of the population. For the last two decades, the ethnic Chinese are moving out of Malaysia, as a result of religious and linguistic discrimination.
May 28, 2014, 11:35:34 PM
Perkasa is always been an racist and backward organization created by failed politician just to drum communal sensitivities for political gain.You might as well take Westboro seriously if you're planning to associate Perkasa with any sense of credibility.
The more sensible Muslims are calling out for thorough investigation and (possible) court actions.After all ,Cadburry assured consumers that the tainted products were halal.That constitutes a breach of trust.
The more sensible Muslims are calling out for thorough investigation and (possible) court actions.After all ,Cadburry assured consumers that the tainted products were halal.That constitutes a breach of trust.
May 28, 2014, 05:13:17 PM
Well done internet, this is the now the second news piece that has literally made me go "Oh for fucks sake" out loud, I actually thought it was the daily mail at first posting up bullshit but Russia Today don't normally do that with this kind of thing. I've read all kinds of racist, xenophobic, downright batshit insane, conspiracy theorist bullshit everywhere but I really do believe that only people who suffer from allergies have the right to complain about even traces of something getting in their food, let alone make death threats over it, it's not like they're secretly lacing it with laxatives and poisonous chemicals.
At least with the bullshit I've read they at least have some reasonable sounding grievances but this is just ridiculous.
At least with the bullshit I've read they at least have some reasonable sounding grievances but this is just ridiculous.
May 28, 2014, 04:41:04 PM
Maybe this would be more understandable if western Christians were true to their religion. It is a sin against God, according to the Bible, for Christians to eat shrimp for example. A sin on par with adultery or homosexuality. Now suppose you actually followed God's laws but some company was caught putting shrimp extract into your Easter candy.
For a believer this risks their holiness and standing with God. It is a serious matter for them.
For a believer this risks their holiness and standing with God. It is a serious matter for them.
So a simple solution is for them not to eat it... I don't understand the fuss
Cadbury aren't saying this is a halal certified product.
This product is aimed at the general public and isn't localised to any religious laws. Cadbury make plenty of other products that don't contain the shrimp. So why boycott the company if they could just eat the other chocolates?
May 28, 2014, 03:24:20 PM
We had a similar thread earlier.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/islamic-law-is-adopted-by-british-legal-chiefs-527732
Especially this post:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6526368
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/islamic-law-is-adopted-by-british-legal-chiefs-527732
Especially this post:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6526368
May 28, 2014, 03:23:38 PM
Maybe this would be more understandable if western Christians were true to their religion. It is a sin against God, according to the Bible, for Christians to eat shrimp for example. A sin on par with adultery or homosexuality. Now suppose you actually followed God's laws but some company was caught putting shrimp extract into your Easter candy.
For a believer this risks their holiness and standing with God. It is a serious matter for them.
For a believer this risks their holiness and standing with God. It is a serious matter for them.
May 28, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
No one is forcing them to eat Cadbury's. If they don't like Cadbury, then don't consume it. As simple as that. I still remember their boycott of Coca-Cola, replacing it with the Mecca Cola. Any idea what happened to that?
Short lived. As will this one be.
Nobody is forcing them to eat/drink these products. They can boycott it for all I care. Just means more chocolate for me
May 28, 2014, 03:18:19 PM
No one is forcing them to eat Cadbury's. If they don't like Cadbury, then don't consume it. As simple as that. I still remember their boycott of Coca-Cola, replacing it with the Mecca Cola. Any idea what happened to that?
May 28, 2014, 03:08:03 PM
The Chocolate King's product needs to be tested as well 
May 28, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
http://rt.com/news/161980-cadbury-jihad-pork-chocolate/
Malaysian Muslims declare jihad on Cadbury over pork-laced chocolate
Enraged Muslims in Malaysia have called for a holy war or Jihad to be waged on Cadbury after traces of pig DNA were picked up in their chocolates. As a result of the complaint, the company has pulled two of its products from Malaysian shop shelves.
From the comments:
Malaysian Muslims declare jihad on Cadbury over pork-laced chocolate
Enraged Muslims in Malaysia have called for a holy war or Jihad to be waged on Cadbury after traces of pig DNA were picked up in their chocolates. As a result of the complaint, the company has pulled two of its products from Malaysian shop shelves.
From the comments:
Quote
HAHAHA a Jihad on Cadbury!!!! LOL that made my day.
ALLAHU AKBAR!!! DEATH TO THE CHOCOLATES!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!
ALLAHU AKBAR!!! DEATH TO THE CHOCOLATES!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!
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