Topic: Tru.bet scam alert owe me 0.0011 btc. (Read 636 times)

This is getting out of hand. This kid thinks if he writes with uppercase and big red letters then, it must be true. He completely ignored my previous comment in Tru.bet's thread as well. So, I had to take a deeper look into his shenanigans.

I have opened a reputation thread with evidence that he's just looking to make a quick buck abusing tru.bet but has been unsuccessful so he's just going on a long tantrum.

Do you want me to believe that a newbie account "randomly" found a new betting exchange who were running a giveaway ONLY on bitcointalk and had no digital presence anywhere else. He only made his bitcointalk account when his attempt to cashout wasn't successful. Which implies that he has alt accounts on bitcointalk.  Feel free to go through the evidence that I have submitted and let me know.

You only saying this on your thread

But i didn't see the proofs given by you, i mean how did you connected him with multiple accounts, etc.

Better to read the whole post before posting, i've said what you said on here. please not jump on a thread and post whatever you want. Thx

You are the only scam going here. Thank you.

1. Scammer blamed me of having new bitcoin talk account.

My reply: Why don't you reveal your old account here, why you created a new account so that no can find you after scamming, I have been into bitcoin talk for 3 month but just as a silent reader, I made this account just for exposing scammer like you. So you are the one who made new account here to fraud.

2. Scammer blamed me for having multiple accounts and share some account details here.

My reply: I do not have any other account on your Sammy site and that is it. You might come up with some false stories just to scam some noob depositor. You re raised minimum cash out limit  from 0.0005 to 0.001 btc just after I tried to cash out. And then When I won against most probably a  house player who is a chat moderator also you denied my winnings because lets admit you can not afford even a 0.001btc lol. Just admit it.
I have posted clearly my winning bet against a player which must be enough for you to pay me my winnings with extra compensation.

3. Scammer is still giving bonus so that he can hire some cheap publicity so that any noob depositor can be trapped via their own house players fake bet slip, which is never going to be paid.

4. The whole modus operandi of this cheap scam is to give some lucrative odds to people as in my case no other sensible website will offer 2.3 odds on that particular event ( You can check that for verification) and then somehow make excuses and take their winnings because scammer will be posting  his own fake bet.
 


JUST A CHEAP SCAM STAY AWAY.

But using alt accounts to defend your actions/statements won't get you far. They probably scammed you (you still haven't answered. Did they change withdrawal amount after you tried to withdraw or before), but this isn't the proper way to accuse them. If you can create multiple accounts over here for your own benefit (to show support to yourself), what's stopping you from creating multiple accounts on their casino and abuse their promotion?
And you think "exposing" two casinos now makes you a very trusted user over here? All I can see is you trying to claim free spins/vouchers/deposit and then getting rekt.
I believe they are your alts because you both have similar post patterns.
Lmao, are you threatening/blackmailing me? Is this how you extort everyone by "threatening" them?
"Give me my winnings that I won exploiting loopholes/breaking rules or I am going to expose you!!". I am not supporting Tru.bet nor am I saying anything against them, but it is easy to extort new casinos (or any new services) cause you know they are new and they fear if their reputation goes down everything they worked for is straight going to waste.

From what I can tell. The user created multiple accounts and bet between themselves to accumulate a decent chunk. Then bet against a regular player on the website to legitimize his winnings and show "proof" that he won it fair and square. Regarding why they still processed the withdrawal, It could basically just be inexperience. They are new into the market and probably haven't faced similar situation before. They did learn from it and updated their terms so that, it isn't easy to abuse the giveaway anymore. This is a known problem for sportsbooks without KYC. Some people will do absolutely everything to abuse and take any advantage they find. You will se a ton "scam accusations" against reputable sportsbooks on bitcointalk that do not require KYC. Most of those cases are similar and as follows.
- User finds some exploitable bonus or loophole.
- creates multiple accounts to take advantage of the said loophole
- The Sportsbook detects unusual activity and blocks the account
- User creates scam accusation here on bitcointalk with proof and claim no wrongdoings from their side.
- Since there is no KYC, It becomes close to impossible(without giving crucial details about how their security flags users) for the casino/sportsbooks to prove that the user is abusing their system.

I am not saying that the sportsbook is never at fault but, I am saying that in a lot of these cases. Its the individual who is the culprit. Think about it, why would an already lucrative business try to con 1 random user and taint their image for what? 0.001 BTC?

Maybe OP just created this thread to actually get the attention of trubet and to get his withdrawal and now that it seems that it has been fix OP doesn't want to continue at all.
But I am reading their TOS and it seems that there is a restriction about 1 account so I don't understand why they would still send the money if they already know that OP was cheating?

OP log in today but he did not heed our advice to move this in the scam section, or lock this and create a thread for proper investigation, if he did not do what we ask him to do, then he is not serious on his accusation and Trubet accusation will stand that he is cheating by creating a multiple account, so far I cannot tell who is telling the truth.

There is only one thing for this to be settled and that is showing the proofs both parties .

though OP had provided the conversation from the chat yet this is not enough to prove he has been scammed.

and from truebet's side, the proof must be provided about the cheating of OP.

Your comment is actually my answer to some questions on the previous page! This is not a gambling discussion, this is the casino banning some "possible alt accounts", and as I said if OP is honest he should open a scam accusation, he can present proofs, I guess members will give their opinion and if proofs are strong they will flag casino! Just, really rarely we have newbies with strong proofs...
Looks like tru.bet is pretty sure that these accounts are connected, so I think it's pointless to continue with discussing it further... I doubt we will end up discussing gambling in any way!

they let him withdraw but it was 0.0001 btc only and not the exact amount the complainer won because maybe was found guilty but he didnt lost at all if he only play is the bonus and not his own money and he must be thankful because he still recieves a 0.0001 btc

creating account in that site amd making a bet is pretty simple and even me i was also suspecting of that site before if its legit or not because they instantly gave a big and easy bonus and the withdrawal is small plus i think it can be easily abused right at the start so im not surprise that they will increase thier limits and be extra strict with the rules . sending tip from the other user isnt possible by the way

Oh man! That is escalating to some new highs...lol. Clearly casino is at the fault as far as I can tell for below mentioned reasons:

1) Booking his action, (If he/she made so called multi accounts, though even with four account and with 10k sat bonus math does not add up).
2) OP posted a screenshot of his winning against some guy named Pauli (Which is not mentioned by casino in multi accounting list), so assuming screenshot is not fake, Technically they cheated both Pauli and OP.
3) No fair casino will post IP addresses with username publicly.
4)They can come up with such excuses in future for sure if they are going to that extent for couple of bucks.

If care to research a bit on profile you will find that I have been into exposing shitty Sammy casinos many times earlier be it cryptothrill.io or others. I can also easily blame you of supporting casino for some tie ups but i will not go into that extent.

I guess they saw that people were able to abuse the promotion due to the lower withdrawal requirement and hence they acted quick by increasing the requirements. I don't see anything wrong here (unless they canceled his withdrawals and then increased the requirement. That would be wrong).
But looks like his winnings were forfeited due to multiple account creation to abuse the promotion. Makes sense though.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shivatheboss-3156155
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iamwithyou-2886092

Probable alt of each other (iamwithyou supporting his alt account shivatheboss. Activities like this are frowned upon).

try to prevent from answering each post because the thread is becoming spamming , Best that to add each comment as "Insert Quote" so each post you mate there are multiple answers created in single post.
from this you can make it more clearer without spamming the thread.

But thanks for the offer but i think i will pass this time as i want to see the result of the complaints that i'm sure you will settle soon after the proof presentations  .

I never posted that you are a fraud or scam all I posted is this is a gambling section and this discussion does not belong here by moving it on the scam section you can have fairness, once you provided all your proofs there and proved that OP is cheating, he can be tagged for trying to manipulate the bonus, don't worry you are not the only one, there are trusted gambling sites that were accused and in the end those who accused got tagged for misleading information, so far I don't see you scam anybody here.

Also if any known members here would like a bonus sent to them please reply below we will be happy to send it to you so you can try us for yourself.

You can read our thread to see we are legit. Sorry we do not cater to fraudsters you can think whatever you want.

So where did you find about the Bonus of true bet ? because it looks like you have just created this account to claim here in Bitcointalk so how come that you have learn about their freebies when this was firstly offers here in this forum ? and you did not inquire in their chat , instead you have just posted a sarcastic way of chat.

Instead of asking what happens , this is how you deliver your issue

It Just Looks like here we go again, another Newbie account that accusing a Newly advertised  gambling site Here in Forum about their Banning issue and with the same case of Violating their TOS with Cheating having Multiple accounts.

Why this is always the reason ? is it really the site that scamming the players ? or this is an organized cheater that targeting newly gambling sites to be their Bread and Butter ?

Am just curious why it goes same and same again , why is it always Newbie accounts( MAjority of the time) and why the case is always Multiple account creation ?

This drama runs the gambling world over and over again.

It's better to move this in the scam section there are additional good investigators there that can trace who is telling the truth, the weight is on Trubet because OP is denied payment for something he worked on, Tru bet must provide valid proof that OP has multiple accounts, there are no parameters here where users can get a warning if he is having multiple accounts before he can play, this is what happens if you are offering a bonus, without parameters implemented for double or multiple claims.

LOL yeah they have openly posted usernames and ip's, only for 1mbtc. What if they does not belongs to OP as he has already denied it and why the hell you are not talking about the 1 mbtc betslip that OP has posted ?

We would never share a non TOR node account. TOR nodes are public hence why we shared it.

First off all what you have done here is completely wrong which is publicly sharing account IP which can lead to many problems, no reputed platform will do that. Second this does not explain a thing. You are deliberately hiding about the winning bet of 0.0011btc or whatever the exact amount, which you need to pay him.

There’s nothing to explain other than he fraudulently created accounts and bet against himself. We cashed out his initial bonus of .0001. Not much more to say other than we don’t support fraudulent players. Others have deposited and withdrawn successfully. End of story. Good luck and stay safe.

You did not explained the bet slip with pauli, and also, you have changed your chat moderator name. Weird !!.

They most certainly are. You were cashed out your initial bonus. Be happy with your free BTC.

I have nothing to do with all the above mentioned accounts. You are just a low budget scammer

You want a list of TOR IP addresses he used? Sure here you go, just 4 of the accounts he made, there are others as well.

User: agadmator    https://www.ip2location.com/demo/104.244.72.36
User: ExtensiveDamselfly https://www.ip2location.com/demo/94.230.208.147
User: SerpentineWhale  https://www.ip2location.com/demo/185.220.101.19
User knockknock08 - https://www.ip2location.com/demo/162.247.74.200

As you can see from our thread we are legitimate. We just don't like scummy players coming to our site trying to game our system. Thank you!

Hey Haunebu, have you even had a chance to come to the site at all and make a few bets? Have you had a chance to read our thread?

It is difficult to be a judge in this case, on the one hand when it is allowed to enter platforms using VPN and creating multiple accounts is something very difficult for casino owners to handle, in this case I think they can reach an agreement if the site shows the evidence that tor nodes were used to get there and realize that it is multi-account, the other option is that I do not think that a site that is starting with 0.001BTC is going to leave everything like that, it is best to fix it in the best way so that the site follow its growth.

If you plan a signature campaign on the forum, you have to clean up and build a great reputation so that the platform will be more successful and generate much more trust.

This is the best thing to make everything clear so we do not speculate too much further about the case.
For me, I have no ideas why tru.bet is willing to ruin the reputation for 0.001btc while I believe what they have spent to build the website costs more than that.
They have just started the business earlier this month, so it wont be good start if they cant resolve this accusation.
They need to do it as soon as possible, it is not that complicated issue to resolve IMO and if they cant provide the proof publicly, they can show it to one or two reputable members in this forum to verify it.

One of the questionable mistake is, why did they have to change the minimum withdrawal amount instantly? I think it will surely be too unfair for, Op. However, Op should raise this concern to them right away so they could both fix it directly because issues like this will ruin the reputation of a certain site.

Op is cautiously handling the matter based on what I observed. I guess he feels that his money is as good as gone if he raises a flag against them.

This is the part that confused me as well. Why on earth would they try and run away with such a small amount since they launched recently? Usually, scam sites tend to run with a truckload of money. Perplexing situation.

This is a typical scenario where casino is using the VPN reason to user that successfully won in there giveaway. The thing that really surprise me on this case was the amount that the casino are denying to pay was small enough to escalate like this. LOL.


@true.bet, can you release the proof that OP is indeed using Vpn and created multiple account?

Indeed but op give tru.bet 24 hours to let op withdraw his winnings before creating a flag for tru.bet. It is true that there is no point in taking it long to flag them if you are telling the truth and not hiding the truth. Would it be like abusing the flag system?. Providing proofs should be needed even if you are telling the truth.

If you are honest and you didn't create multiple accounts to cheat then it would be better to flag them right away, than fooling around here in the gambling section! I simply think you would draw more attention there, and some members would check your claims and site claims and you would get more help!
I think it's not fair to not pay you if you were honest! So according to that flag right away! Simply losing time on this nonsense is more pain in the ass than it's about money, at least I think like that after dealing with some crazy support guys!

Indeed you analysis is great here, I am also familiar with PAULI, but I do not think he is only chat moderator there I think they don't have any team (most probably PAULI is the admin himself).
What happened IMHO is they book his action and when he wins (buffalos are underdogs anyway),
They denied his cash out because it is going from their own pocket.
  

One that is clearly wrong on tru.bet's part is this:

Lets assume he/she created one thousand fake accounts and claim thousand of bitcoins but as a matter of fact PAULI is a indeed a part of admin's team because he is the one who has a moderator account.
Consider this. If OP would have lost they still need to pay pauli because, creating multiple account has nothing to do with  their own chat moderator's account booking action.
Since bet has taken place they must pay it.

All they is saying that bunch of users claim bonus with vpn, and bet with each other which is ridiculous because to get to 0.0001 to 0.001 btc you need at least 10-12 accounts and over 10 bets. As you can see in my case my last bet was of 0.00049 at over 2 odds with their Chat moderator name ''PAULI'', are they saying that I created '' Pauli'' too and set these odds?
They too my action and now not willing to pay that is it to the matter. I am giving them 24 hours to pay me if there is any confusion going on because I can see that they misunderstood me perhaps, after that I will open a flag against them.

This is a tough one. Both op and Tru.bet have put forth their opinions and I am finding it tough to decide who is actually right here since none of them seem to be in the wrong here. I am leaning slightly towards op though due to the evidence he provided.

If tru.bet can negate his evidence by sharing their own evidence, their legitimacy could be proven. If not, they will face an uphill battle.

Can you show the TOS that you are claiming about them Changing the Minimum Withdrawal from .0005 to .001 btc? though in your Proof you shows about them not letting you withdraw but this has been around for long time that a "NEWBIE ACCOUNT" all of a sudden coming out here in Bitcointalk Forum when the promo was first introduce here and I'm sure there is someone whos taking advantage of the give away. Why Not post with your original/Main account.

I'm not against about those being a victim claiming their funds but what made me think always is that almost majority of them are Newbie or newly created account that suddenly POP UP this forum about after being banned or denied of withdrawal.

I'm sure boyptc is asking tru.bet to provide the proof that you are abusing their free promotion as tru.bet accuses you to have multiple accounts to play against others.

I have posted my bet with their chat moderator, isn't it enough to prove that they are not only scammers but low budget scammers.

Yeah.

Show the proof that the guy cheated on your gambling site.

That will show who's really at fault.

This thread should be moved to scam accusation section, not on gambling section.
@tru.bet if you said OP has using multiple account by using tor, where is the evidence? Please post all your proofs on here. So many scam accusation appear especially when bitcoin price rise so high and because of the fee is quite higher too.

Since their casino detected the fraud. I bet increasing the minimum withdrawal should do to avoid user to cash out. I'm not sure if it is the best possible option for them, but since they claimed that the OP multi-accounts through tor, I believe it's not that bad. Better to put some evidences tho.

Lets Assume that He does everything against the rule/TOS so he maybe in right chance of being banned .

but the question is Why from the 0.0005 withdrawal minimum suddenly you increased to 0.001? you should have told Him the very Moment He tried to cash out from that 0.0005 about His Violation but not you instead try to beat Him again by increasing the minimum withdrawal so he will be obliged to either deposit or try to win again so the withdrawal will be allowed but to your surprise He won again and now here's the violation enters?

I Smell Fishy on this Part.

That all sounds very questionable to me. The thread of tru.bet just came up this week so it has to build their trust among the community.

If within the first week somebody opens a seemingly valid scam accusation it'll be not long until the next issue will come up...

I can understand that you must have detected afterwards.
Nice timing though. Right after cash out request..lol

We detected afterwards and have stopped giving promotions to random users. Thank you.

Okay, you can easily detect fraud but how can you explain the thing about the minimum cash out option, the OP says it was just 0.0005 yet t was increases to 0.001? If you've already detect he was really a fraud then why you let him bet against another user again? I think you need to be fixed on your terms and conditions and don't just alter that immediately.

It is the duty of gambling platform itself to be robust and proactive towards preventing multiple accounting bonus abuse, if there is any. When you took his/her bet (does not matter if bonus or deposit) you must cash him out .You cannot simply hide behind the multiple account excuse (quite prevalent in crypto community though).
I am with OP on this matter. OP open a flag against them with scam accusation.

Note: Website looks like created in a hurry, you can guess the reason.

Do update us about the matter OP if resolved because people open scam accusation but do not care to update.

If you even cared to research, we are not a sportsbook but an exchange. Also we saw that he created the fraudulent accounts afterwards. Also if you check our official thread you will see we have excellent feedback. Thank you.

My bet slip is clearly showing that i won against ''PAULI'', who is a chat moderator.

How typical of a newly mushroomed up sports book. What else you were expecting? No reputed sports book will quarrel here for 0.001btc, that's peanuts for reputed sports book. They clearly do not have enough fund I bet.
The fact they allowed your bet and only denied your winnings after you requested cash out is enough.
Open a flag against them.

Well, I smell not something good here. You already know that this person above has abused the promotion but still, you let him withdraw the bonus?
That's a lot of work betting against yourself just to have a guarantee wins, rather than sending directly into each account the bonus and I hope this loophole will be fixed because it will perhaps be abused by others.
However, OP can move this into a scam accusation board and compile a lot of proof that Op was saying the truth. We don't know yet who is telling the truth.

You are jus a fuking liar and cheater. I bet with your chat moderator and even asked him to come up with event to bet on bet slip is clearly showing that. First you raise cash out limit and then you just avoided my cash out.
i WILL OPEN A SCAM ACCUSATION AGAINST YOU if you don not give me my cash out.

This person created multiple accounts via tor nodes, took their bonuses and and bet against himself to guarantee wins. Notice how they only have 1 post here on bitcoin talk. We still cashed them out a bonus however. Because of this person we will now be limiting our promotion to active posters on bitcointalk. Thank you.

I registered on true.bet and applied for 0.0001btc signup bonus, I betted and and made build my bankroll to 0.0005 btc  and tried to cash out as this was the minimum balance required and guess what bingo!! they have increased the minimum cash out to 0.001btc. I betted my 0.00049 btc witha guy name pauli who is kind of chat moderator and  won 0.0011 btc ( screen shot attached). And now all is going well but when i requested a ash out of 0.0011 btc they send me 0.0001btc instead when I enquire they accused me of some multi account bullshit ( all was fine before cash out).
I want them to pay me not only my winnings but extra 0.001btc as compensation ( Ya you heard it right.)

screen shots of my bets and chat below.

https://ibb.co/yFW4M9p
https://ibb.co/qgLKvGr