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Quote from: squatz1 on April 18, 2017, 07:43:14 PM

What does everyone on here think about Trumps newest executive order which surrounds around the topic of people buying American Goods and hiring American Workers. This is going to direct exective agencies to follow through on his campaign promise of buying American and such.

I think this is going to help him tremendously when it comes to following through on his promises and should help him heavily with approval ratings.

Here's the article by CNN by the way - http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/trump-wisconsin-buy-american/index.html

On Tuesday President Trump signed an executive order intended to reform certain work visa programs in an effort to bolster jobs for Americans. The catch to Trump’s much touted “buy American, hire American” effort, however, it that it will not prevent President Trump from continuing to hire cheap labor for his own properties.

One of Trump’s most famous campaign catchphrases was”America first,” which he still proudly touts to demonstrate his promise to bring jobs back to the country and to halt the use of cheap migrant labor. But his new executive order only overhauls the much discussed H-1B visa program, targeting high-skilled foreign labor. In the past, Trump has been known to hire low-skill foreign workers at a low cost for his Florida resort Mar-a-Lago under a complete separate visa system.

The president, of course, has refused to fully divest from his organization and properties.

In order for Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort to hire foreign workers, it applies for H-2B visas which allow “U.S. employers or U.S. agents who meet specific regulatory requirements to bring foreign nationals to the United States to fill temporary nonagricultural jobs,” according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

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Quote from: quzai on April 19, 2017, 10:24:51 PM

Trump decision to fulfil his campaign promises of buying goods produced in America and hire American to produced those goods will weak china yen and straighten dollar and every wise president should follow suite.

Is it even possible to weaken the CNY? The Chinese government itself devalues the Yuan (not Yen, which is the national currency of Japan) every now and then, to wage the currency war.

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Quote from: HabBear on April 19, 2017, 12:50:57 PM

"Buy American" refers to Federal Contracts going to American companies first, before foreign companies.

Quote from: Junko on April 18, 2017, 11:23:05 PM

As an American, I'm ok with the "Hire American" part. The "Buy American" part I'm not too sure about. I don't know if he means companies must buy parts and items needed to conduct their business, but personally as a consumer in a free market, I should be able to buy whatever I want regardless of where it was made.

Because of multiple past bad history with shit quality American made cars breaking down on me - Ford and Chevrolet to be specific, I will never ever ever buy another American made car for as long as I live.

Please don't use the word "Murica" it's an insult to the country (not to mention Trump's base of supporters). It was always said (in this century) within the context of an insult to country folks.

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 19, 2017, 12:41:26 PM

For all the talk on whether Murica have the infrastructure to produce all the goods and service they need domestically, the bigger questions would be...

Would they accept the price increase? I don't live in the US but I'm reading that the average American is barely getting by, highly reliant on credit and that wage has stagnated. Would they be able to tolerate the initial price hikes?

And would they do the jobs that immigrants there are doing, like harvesting fruits and washing elderly people's butts? Those are hard jobs and they pay low.

Also, Trump has threatened companies that outsource their jobs. Would Americans be willing to spend 8 hours in a call center? I bet none of you here has ever had to take an irate American caller. They make Pakistani callers from the UK sound very classy.

A lot of people, particularly in "Trump country" wouldn't be able to afford price hikes if American-only production took hold. But, these people have faith that Trump will make it right. He'll bring their jobs back, he'll keep prices low, etc. Education on basic economics doesn't factor into their decision making. Trump won't mandate that products be made in America because he know that it'll lead to immediate higher prices, and not to higher wages.

Noted. I just found it funny when people start saying that over and over in videos. I have no idea it was meant to mock country folks. Well, can't even distinguish between different American accents.

Back on topic, yeah, it seems people today are voting based on their emotions. We are starting to see the rise of populists. These voters have legitimate concerns and feel disenfranchised and just want someone to make it all right, preferably someone not associated with the current system they despise.

The problem is that's it's possible for them to be worse-off. I can't believe there are people there who wanted Obamacare repealed because they don't know it's what they're on right now. They thought ACA was a different thing.

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Trump decision to fulfil his campaign promises of buying goods produced in America and hire American to produced those goods will weak china yen and straighten dollar and every wise president should follow suite.

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Quote from: squatz1 on April 19, 2017, 05:07:05 PM

Quote from: Moloch on April 19, 2017, 03:46:34 PM

I find it ironic that Trump suddenly wants everything made in 'murica

99% of the products Trump sells are made overseas... he doesn't make anything in 'murica himself!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/

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The Facts

Trump apparel

The Donald J. Trump Collection includes ties, suits, dress shirts, eyeglasses and other accessories.

Trump shirts were made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras and Vietnam. PolitiFact Virginia found some Trump sport coats made in India. The Clinton campaign pointed to import data from 2007 that showed a Trump men’s shirt shipment marked as made in South Korea.

Some of the Trump suits on Amazon.com show they were imported, Made in USA or both. BuzzFeed ordered a suit that was listed as both “imported” and “Made in USA” — and ended up with a label showing the suits were made in Indonesia.

Users commented on Amazon.com that the suit that BuzzFeed purchased previously was listed as being imported from Mexico or China. This photo shows a Trump suit that carries a “Made in Mexico” label.

Manufacturing information online is not always reliable — for example, a photo of one shirt shows a “Made in Bangladesh” label, but the item description says it was made in China. This may be a reflection of the different countries that products sometimes pass through before they are ultimately shipped into the United States.

Trump eyeglasses are made in China. Cufflinks and other accessories do not list the source of manufacturing on Amazon.com.

“Success by Trump,” a cologne in the Trump Fragrance line, was manufactured in the United States, according to PolitiFact Virginia. The Trump campaign’s “Make America Great Again” hats are made at a Southern California factory and are labeled “Proudly Made in USA.” (from imported materials)

Trump home items

Trump Home has a range of items, including chandeliers, mirrors, bedding, table lamps, cabinets, sofas, barstools, cocktail tables and more.

Trump expanded the Trump Home brand internationally, including in Turkey. A Trump Organization news release shows it partnered with a global luxury furniture brand, Dorya International, to expand the Trump Home brand to a production facility in Turkey. According to Furniture Today, components of the Trump by Dorya furniture were made in Germany, particularly the brass and stainless pieces.

Several Trump Home items are listed as made in China or imported from China — mirrors, ceramic vases, wall decorations, kitchen items and lighting fixtures. The Clinton campaign has pointed to a trademark registration for the Trump Home brand that shows picture frames and other home products were made in India.

The Trump Home by Rogaska tabletop collection featured a crystal and china collection with a company based in Slovenia. Trump bedding comforters are listed as made in USA.

Trump hotel items

Many hotel amenities at Trump’s hotels were manufactured overseas and imported. Trump Hotel pens were made in China or Taiwan, and imported into the United States via South Korea. Shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, shower caps, laundry bags, show bags, pet collars, pet leashes and bath towels at Trump hotels are all listed as made in China.

Trump beverages

The Trump Natural Spring Water is served at Trump hotels, restaurants and golf clubs. Trump water comes from New York or Vermont, and is bottled in New York.

Trump Vodka was manufactured at a distillery in the Netherlands, supposedly distilled five times from “European wheat,” but the distribution company stopped carrying it in 2010. An Israeli company continued to carry Trump Vodka, although the version sold in Israel is different from the original Trump Vodka. The Trump Vodka produced and sold in Israel is made from ingredients that make it kosher for Passover, which made it a popular beverage around the holidays. But the Jerusalem Post reported that it turned out that not all ingredients actually were kosher for Passover.

The Bottom Line

The Clinton ad claims that “Trump’s products have been made in 12 other countries.” This is correct. We know of at least 12 countries where Trump products were manufactured (China, the Netherlands, Mexico, India, Turkey, Slovenia, Honduras, Germany, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Vietnam and South Korea). Further, Trump products transited other countries through the packaging and shipping process — meaning workers in more than 12 countries contributed to getting many of Trump’s products made, packaged and delivered to the United States.

See I've seen this same sort of bullshit pushed by people all the time and don't understand why they think that just because he buys his goods for his campaign and his business from overseas that means he wouldn't want the American taxpayer to be furthering the development of the American economy.

Think of it like this, if Trump was buying all these goods from America in his huge business, he'd be missing out on a large amount of profits due to this, and a business is only going to be seeking profits at the end of the day.

Can't blame the guy for being a good businessman and putting that above the whole buy America thing. But he is pushing this narrative now and actually getting to work about it.

That's a complete mischaracterization...

Trump isn't buying anything, he's selling shit

Trump doesn't want to make his products in America, where he would have to pay Americans a decent wage

Trump is abusing cheap child labor sweatshops overseas where he can pay employees $1/day to make his crappy ties and shit

Even his "proudly made in America" "make America great again" hats are merely assembled in America

There are plenty of American manufacturing places he could get his ties and crap made (and supply Americans with jobs), but it would cost more to be made in USA... Trump doesn't care... he's too greedy

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Quote from: Lancusters on April 19, 2017, 04:07:25 PM

In that smoke weed? Tesla is a very good car. I know a lot of Germans who dream to buy a Tesla, but it is for them too expensive. Have you ever driven a American car? I am sure that there. No German car can not be compared with American comfort.

Japan and Germany rank among the top exporters of cars, and the vehicles from these countries are renowned for their quality. The US is also a major exporter of the automobiles, but most of these exports go towards the third world.

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Quote from: Moloch on April 19, 2017, 03:46:34 PM

I find it ironic that Trump suddenly wants everything made in 'murica

99% of the products Trump sells are made overseas... he doesn't make anything in 'murica himself!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/

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The Facts

Trump apparel

The Donald J. Trump Collection includes ties, suits, dress shirts, eyeglasses and other accessories.

Trump shirts were made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras and Vietnam. PolitiFact Virginia found some Trump sport coats made in India. The Clinton campaign pointed to import data from 2007 that showed a Trump men’s shirt shipment marked as made in South Korea.

Some of the Trump suits on Amazon.com show they were imported, Made in USA or both. BuzzFeed ordered a suit that was listed as both “imported” and “Made in USA” — and ended up with a label showing the suits were made in Indonesia.

Users commented on Amazon.com that the suit that BuzzFeed purchased previously was listed as being imported from Mexico or China. This photo shows a Trump suit that carries a “Made in Mexico” label.

Manufacturing information online is not always reliable — for example, a photo of one shirt shows a “Made in Bangladesh” label, but the item description says it was made in China. This may be a reflection of the different countries that products sometimes pass through before they are ultimately shipped into the United States.

Trump eyeglasses are made in China. Cufflinks and other accessories do not list the source of manufacturing on Amazon.com.

“Success by Trump,” a cologne in the Trump Fragrance line, was manufactured in the United States, according to PolitiFact Virginia. The Trump campaign’s “Make America Great Again” hats are made at a Southern California factory and are labeled “Proudly Made in USA.” (from imported materials)

Trump home items

Trump Home has a range of items, including chandeliers, mirrors, bedding, table lamps, cabinets, sofas, barstools, cocktail tables and more.

Trump expanded the Trump Home brand internationally, including in Turkey. A Trump Organization news release shows it partnered with a global luxury furniture brand, Dorya International, to expand the Trump Home brand to a production facility in Turkey. According to Furniture Today, components of the Trump by Dorya furniture were made in Germany, particularly the brass and stainless pieces.

Several Trump Home items are listed as made in China or imported from China — mirrors, ceramic vases, wall decorations, kitchen items and lighting fixtures. The Clinton campaign has pointed to a trademark registration for the Trump Home brand that shows picture frames and other home products were made in India.

The Trump Home by Rogaska tabletop collection featured a crystal and china collection with a company based in Slovenia. Trump bedding comforters are listed as made in USA.

Trump hotel items

Many hotel amenities at Trump’s hotels were manufactured overseas and imported. Trump Hotel pens were made in China or Taiwan, and imported into the United States via South Korea. Shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, shower caps, laundry bags, show bags, pet collars, pet leashes and bath towels at Trump hotels are all listed as made in China.

Trump beverages

The Trump Natural Spring Water is served at Trump hotels, restaurants and golf clubs. Trump water comes from New York or Vermont, and is bottled in New York.

Trump Vodka was manufactured at a distillery in the Netherlands, supposedly distilled five times from “European wheat,” but the distribution company stopped carrying it in 2010. An Israeli company continued to carry Trump Vodka, although the version sold in Israel is different from the original Trump Vodka. The Trump Vodka produced and sold in Israel is made from ingredients that make it kosher for Passover, which made it a popular beverage around the holidays. But the Jerusalem Post reported that it turned out that not all ingredients actually were kosher for Passover.

The Bottom Line

The Clinton ad claims that “Trump’s products have been made in 12 other countries.” This is correct. We know of at least 12 countries where Trump products were manufactured (China, the Netherlands, Mexico, India, Turkey, Slovenia, Honduras, Germany, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Vietnam and South Korea). Further, Trump products transited other countries through the packaging and shipping process — meaning workers in more than 12 countries contributed to getting many of Trump’s products made, packaged and delivered to the United States.

See I've seen this same sort of bullshit pushed by people all the time and don't understand why they think that just because he buys his goods for his campaign and his business from overseas that means he wouldn't want the American taxpayer to be furthering the development of the American economy.

Think of it like this, if Trump was buying all these goods from America in his huge business, he'd be missing out on a large amount of profits due to this, and a business is only going to be seeking profits at the end of the day.

Can't blame the guy for being a good businessman and putting that above the whole buy America thing. But he is pushing this narrative now and actually getting to work about it.

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Quote from: Lancusters on April 19, 2017, 04:07:25 PM

Quote from: mindrust on April 19, 2017, 04:02:18 PM

Too late for this kind of patriotism. USA is only good for useless web stuff mostly right now. Like facebook, snap, instagram and shit. They are also doing good on the cellphone department with Apple but Samsung is ahead of Apple for a long time. Cars? Germany rules the mid/upper-class luxury car world with bmw/mercedes/vw. France/Italy/Japan dominates the markets with the lower class products. China/Korea already make their own cars. Any car but Tesla comes from USA sucks both by the look and the technical specs.

When people got bored of Facebook what are you going to sell to the world? Iphone is already done. Tesla is already have competitors both from China and Germany.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-19/chinese-carmakers-volkswagen-bmw-roll-out-tesla-killers

Nothing a well planned war in the ME wouldn't fix.

In that smoke weed? Tesla is a very good car. I know a lot of Germans who dream to buy a Tesla, but it is for them too expensive. Have you ever driven a American car? I am sure that there. No German car can not be compared with American comfort.

I drove them. They are only good for showing off.

They are not economical products. Poor craftsmanship, poor design/engineering, consumes shitload of gas. Only good in USA. No good in EU or in the rest of the world where every penny matters.

I only favor Tesla as an American car. I didn't say they are bad. I said its competitors are on their way and there is nothing you can do about it. When BMW releases a fully electrical car with the same price of a Model 3, everybody who lives in/around Europe will buy BMW's again. Not because BMW will make a better car (well maybe so but that's not my point) it is because BMW is closer to Europeans.

Same goes to Chinese cars.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 19, 2017, 04:02:18 PM

Too late for this kind of patriotism. USA is only good for useless web stuff mostly right now. Like facebook, snap, instagram and shit. They are also doing good on the cellphone department with Apple but Samsung is ahead of Apple for a long time. Cars? Germany rules the mid/upper-class luxury car world with bmw/mercedes/vw. France/Italy/Japan dominates the markets with the lower class products. China/Korea already make their own cars. Any car but Tesla comes from USA sucks both by the look and the technical specs.

When people got bored of Facebook what are you going to sell to the world? Iphone is already done. Tesla is already have competitors both from China and Germany.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-19/chinese-carmakers-volkswagen-bmw-roll-out-tesla-killers

Nothing a well planned war in the ME wouldn't fix.

In that smoke weed? Tesla is a very good car. I know a lot of Germans who dream to buy a Tesla, but it is for them too expensive. Have you ever driven a American car? I am sure that there. No German car can not be compared with American comfort.

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Too late for this kind of patriotism. USA is only good for useless web stuff mostly right now. Like facebook, snap, instagram and shit. They are also doing good on the cellphone department with Apple but Samsung is ahead of Apple for a long time. Cars? Germany rules the mid/upper-class luxury car world with bmw/mercedes/vw. France/Italy/Japan dominates the markets with the lower class products. China/Korea already make their own cars. Any car but Tesla comes from USA sucks both by the look and the technical specs.

When people got bored of Facebook what are you going to sell to the world? Iphone is already done. Tesla is already have competitors both from China and Germany.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-19/chinese-carmakers-volkswagen-bmw-roll-out-tesla-killers

Nothing a well planned war in the ME wouldn't fix.

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Quote from: Roger Burton on April 19, 2017, 12:07:15 PM

Trump does the opposite things than he said before become president. I had good hopes about him and about the good of Americans, but in the end he is another puppet. The only think we ''win'' is time, nothing more. They already have a plan how they will destroy our planet and take the leadership.

Trump from the very beginning promised to do something which is not possible. He is a populist. For him the victory was a surprise. He did not think that in America, many lovers of fairy tales. The same situation now in the UK with brexit.

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I find it ironic that Trump suddenly wants everything made in 'murica

99% of the products Trump sells are made overseas... he doesn't make anything in 'murica himself!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/

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The Facts

Trump apparel

The Donald J. Trump Collection includes ties, suits, dress shirts, eyeglasses and other accessories.

Trump shirts were made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras and Vietnam. PolitiFact Virginia found some Trump sport coats made in India. The Clinton campaign pointed to import data from 2007 that showed a Trump men’s shirt shipment marked as made in South Korea.

Some of the Trump suits on Amazon.com show they were imported, Made in USA or both. BuzzFeed ordered a suit that was listed as both “imported” and “Made in USA” — and ended up with a label showing the suits were made in Indonesia.

Users commented on Amazon.com that the suit that BuzzFeed purchased previously was listed as being imported from Mexico or China. This photo shows a Trump suit that carries a “Made in Mexico” label.

Manufacturing information online is not always reliable — for example, a photo of one shirt shows a “Made in Bangladesh” label, but the item description says it was made in China. This may be a reflection of the different countries that products sometimes pass through before they are ultimately shipped into the United States.

Trump eyeglasses are made in China. Cufflinks and other accessories do not list the source of manufacturing on Amazon.com.

“Success by Trump,” a cologne in the Trump Fragrance line, was manufactured in the United States, according to PolitiFact Virginia. The Trump campaign’s “Make America Great Again” hats are made at a Southern California factory and are labeled “Proudly Made in USA.” (from imported materials)

Trump home items

Trump Home has a range of items, including chandeliers, mirrors, bedding, table lamps, cabinets, sofas, barstools, cocktail tables and more.

Trump expanded the Trump Home brand internationally, including in Turkey. A Trump Organization news release shows it partnered with a global luxury furniture brand, Dorya International, to expand the Trump Home brand to a production facility in Turkey. According to Furniture Today, components of the Trump by Dorya furniture were made in Germany, particularly the brass and stainless pieces.

Several Trump Home items are listed as made in China or imported from China — mirrors, ceramic vases, wall decorations, kitchen items and lighting fixtures. The Clinton campaign has pointed to a trademark registration for the Trump Home brand that shows picture frames and other home products were made in India.

The Trump Home by Rogaska tabletop collection featured a crystal and china collection with a company based in Slovenia. Trump bedding comforters are listed as made in USA.

Trump hotel items

Many hotel amenities at Trump’s hotels were manufactured overseas and imported. Trump Hotel pens were made in China or Taiwan, and imported into the United States via South Korea. Shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, shower caps, laundry bags, show bags, pet collars, pet leashes and bath towels at Trump hotels are all listed as made in China.

Trump beverages

The Trump Natural Spring Water is served at Trump hotels, restaurants and golf clubs. Trump water comes from New York or Vermont, and is bottled in New York.

Trump Vodka was manufactured at a distillery in the Netherlands, supposedly distilled five times from “European wheat,” but the distribution company stopped carrying it in 2010. An Israeli company continued to carry Trump Vodka, although the version sold in Israel is different from the original Trump Vodka. The Trump Vodka produced and sold in Israel is made from ingredients that make it kosher for Passover, which made it a popular beverage around the holidays. But the Jerusalem Post reported that it turned out that not all ingredients actually were kosher for Passover.

The Bottom Line

The Clinton ad claims that “Trump’s products have been made in 12 other countries.” This is correct. We know of at least 12 countries where Trump products were manufactured (China, the Netherlands, Mexico, India, Turkey, Slovenia, Honduras, Germany, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Vietnam and South Korea). Further, Trump products transited other countries through the packaging and shipping process — meaning workers in more than 12 countries contributed to getting many of Trump’s products made, packaged and delivered to the United States.

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"Buy American" refers to Federal Contracts going to American companies first, before foreign companies.

Quote from: Junko on April 18, 2017, 11:23:05 PM

As an American, I'm ok with the "Hire American" part. The "Buy American" part I'm not too sure about. I don't know if he means companies must buy parts and items needed to conduct their business, but personally as a consumer in a free market, I should be able to buy whatever I want regardless of where it was made.

Because of multiple past bad history with shit quality American made cars breaking down on me - Ford and Chevrolet to be specific, I will never ever ever buy another American made car for as long as I live.

Please don't use the word "Murica" it's an insult to the country (not to mention Trump's base of supporters). It was always said (in this century) within the context of an insult to country folks.

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 19, 2017, 12:41:26 PM

For all the talk on whether Murica have the infrastructure to produce all the goods and service they need domestically, the bigger questions would be...

Would they accept the price increase? I don't live in the US but I'm reading that the average American is barely getting by, highly reliant on credit and that wage has stagnated. Would they be able to tolerate the initial price hikes?

And would they do the jobs that immigrants there are doing, like harvesting fruits and washing elderly people's butts? Those are hard jobs and they pay low.

Also, Trump has threatened companies that outsource their jobs. Would Americans be willing to spend 8 hours in a call center? I bet none of you here has ever had to take an irate American caller. They make Pakistani callers from the UK sound very classy.

A lot of people, particularly in "Trump country" wouldn't be able to afford price hikes if American-only production took hold. But, these people have faith that Trump will make it right. He'll bring their jobs back, he'll keep prices low, etc. Education on basic economics doesn't factor into their decision making. Trump won't mandate that products be made in America because he know that it'll lead to immediate higher prices, and not to higher wages.

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For all the talk on whether Murica have the infrastructure to produce all the goods and service they need domestically, the bigger questions would be...

Would they accept the price increase? I don't live in the US but I'm reading that the average American is barely getting by, highly reliant on credit and that wage has stagnated. Would they be able to tolerate the initial price hikes?

And would they do the jobs that immigrants there are doing, like harvesting fruits and washing elderly people's butts? Those are hard jobs and they pay low.

Also, Trump has threatened companies that outsource their jobs. Would Americans be willing to spend 8 hours in a call center? I bet none of you here has ever had to take an irate American caller. They make Pakistani callers from the UK sound very classy.

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Quote from: Roger Burton on April 19, 2017, 12:07:15 PM

Trump does the opposite things than he said before become president. I had good hopes about him and about the good of Americans, but in the end he is another puppet. The only think we ''win'' is time, nothing more. They already have a plan how they will destroy our planet and take the leadership.

One president comes, another one goes. The U.S. is not ruled by a president – Institutions and Companies are the real rulers. The U.S. has strict regulations and policies that no president can ever change. So don't put so much high hopes on Trump, he can't accomplish what he has promised before/during the elections (even if he wanted to).

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Trump does the opposite things than he said before become president. I had good hopes about him and about the good of Americans, but in the end he is another puppet. The only think we ''win'' is time, nothing more. They already have a plan how they will destroy our planet and take the leadership.

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Quote from: Xester on April 19, 2017, 02:36:52 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on April 18, 2017, 07:43:14 PM

What does everyone on here think about Trumps newest executive order which surrounds around the topic of people buying American Goods and hiring American Workers. This is going to direct exective agencies to follow through on his campaign promise of buying American and such.

I think this is going to help him tremendously when it comes to following through on his promises and should help him heavily with approval ratings.

Here's the article by CNN by the way - http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/trump-wisconsin-buy-american/index.html

Trumps method of restricting American people to buy American products is one way of keeping the dollars intact and will gain more value. It is a strategy used by countries so they can earn more and pay their debt. If you notice America is in the verge of bankruptcy since they owed hundreds of thrilions of dollars to the world bank. And so this is one way of overcoming those economic crisis.

What about the hundreds of trillions you're saying? Lol! 19 trillion is hundred? I do not believe that the American people are worried about this debt. No one is going to give. For me the main thing not it, but the fact that Americans do not understand what the richer will live the country in the world the more they will buy their goods. They will not be able to develop its economy apart from other countries.

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Quote from: squatz1 on April 19, 2017, 06:25:23 AM

Quote from: GreenBits on April 18, 2017, 09:59:14 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2017, 08:21:00 PM

Similar policies exist in most of the world nations, and why the Americans should be the exception? American workers should be given the preference for work inside the United States. The US can't be charitable to the rest of the world, when the reverse is not true.

Agree.that we deserve the same as everyone else, and charity starts at home. But the fact of the matter is we don't have the infrastructure to produce alot of the shit we make, because we don't have access to cheap factory labor like China, and the lack of regulation over there lowers operating costs, making for cheap, exportable products. We won't be able to afford our own products if we switch over to purely American product sourcing lines. And given the amount of infrastructure Trump is planning to build, do we have the production capacity to accommodate this new strategy? Hire American, I have no complaints against. Fucking right, hire American. It's America. But buy American, not so inspired, in my eyes.

For an experiment, check something out for me. Wait for peaches and plums to come in this season, in supermarkets. The lack of immigrants crossing the border now, and this terrible, terrible growing season (we still haven't planted this year) will make this produce expensive as all get out. Mark my words. And this will be alot of other crops as well, ESP the Cali fruit crops and organic veggies. I'm all for change, but there are consequences.

All that labor intensive hydro lettuce grown in greenhouses? Harvested by immigrants, and highly perishable.

Tomatoes too.

I think there more along the lines of executive branches having to use this when buying equipment and such, I don't think they'd be going down to the nitty gritty with food but I do understand your argument on a massive scale when talking about the entire country switching to this model.

I understand your argument pretty easily but I wouldn't want to make the taxpayers feels as if the money that they worked hard for is going to be helping to support a Chinese factory making goods for the American gov, I think they'd rather know that their money is going to work in reigniting the US economy.

In theory it sounds wonderful, we'll have to see how it plays out though.

That's my bad, I kinda switched tone in the middle from talking about construction materials/equipment to consumer products. Good catch. But, there are alot of components we don't make, that we will still have to outsource. Hopefully we adapt, new production lines or adapting old ones. With how much we import, I feel like we will exhaust the production capacity of certain commodities here. But, I'm not an economist. Will research this a bit more today, have a more informed opinion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2017, 08:21:00 PM

Similar policies exist in most of the world nations, and why the Americans should be the exception? American workers should be given the preference for work inside the United States. The US can't be charitable to the rest of the world, when the reverse is not true.

Agree.that we deserve the same as everyone else, and charity starts at home. But the fact of the matter is we don't have the infrastructure to produce alot of the shit we make, because we don't have access to cheap factory labor like China, and the lack of regulation over there lowers operating costs, making for cheap, exportable products. We won't be able to afford our own products if we switch over to purely American product sourcing lines. And given the amount of infrastructure Trump is planning to build, do we have the production capacity to accommodate this new strategy? Hire American, I have no complaints against. Fucking right, hire American. It's America. But buy American, not so inspired, in my eyes.

For an experiment, check something out for me. Wait for peaches and plums to come in this season, in supermarkets. The lack of immigrants crossing the border now, and this terrible, terrible growing season (we still haven't planted this year) will make this produce expensive as all get out. Mark my words. And this will be alot of other crops as well, ESP the Cali fruit crops and organic veggies. I'm all for change, but there are consequences.

All that labor intensive hydro lettuce grown in greenhouses? Harvested by immigrants, and highly perishable.

Tomatoes too.

I think there more along the lines of executive branches having to use this when buying equipment and such, I don't think they'd be going down to the nitty gritty with food but I do understand your argument on a massive scale when talking about the entire country switching to this model.

I understand your argument pretty easily but I wouldn't want to make the taxpayers feels as if the money that they worked hard for is going to be helping to support a Chinese factory making goods for the American gov, I think they'd rather know that their money is going to work in reigniting the US economy.

In theory it sounds wonderful, we'll have to see how it plays out though.

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It seems to me that it does not help. It is hard to force business to accept disadvantageous rules of the game. This can result in mass withdrawal of American capital to third countries as it was with China.

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Quote from: squatz1 on April 18, 2017, 07:43:14 PM

What does everyone on here think about Trumps newest executive order which surrounds around the topic of people buying American Goods and hiring American Workers. This is going to direct exective agencies to follow through on his campaign promise of buying American and such.

I think this is going to help him tremendously when it comes to following through on his promises and should help him heavily with approval ratings.

Here's the article by CNN by the way - http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/trump-wisconsin-buy-american/index.html

Trumps method of restricting American people to buy American products is one way of keeping the dollars intact and will gain more value. It is a strategy used by countries so they can earn more and pay their debt. If you notice America is in the verge of bankruptcy since they owed hundreds of thrilions of dollars to the world bank. And so this is one way of overcoming those economic crisis.

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Quote from: Wayan_Pedjeng on April 19, 2017, 12:02:53 AM

Companies should be free to hire anyone they wish. If they want to hire a qualified worker from outside the US, then let them do that. Why force them to hire American nationals, if they are not qualified enough?

There is a reason why many OFW choose US, because "some" americans are not capable of doing hard jobs or choose not to do certain jobs such as imbalmer, care giver. But meh, it offers large amount of money compare to office stuffs.

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Quote from: squatz1 on April 18, 2017, 07:43:14 PM

What does everyone on here think about Trumps newest executive order which surrounds around the topic of people buying American Goods and hiring American Workers. This is going to direct exective agencies to follow through on his campaign promise of buying American and such.

I think this is going to help him tremendously when it comes to following through on his promises and should help him heavily with approval ratings.

Here's the article by CNN by the way - http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/trump-wisconsin-buy-american/index.html

From my point of view, this is a good news for americans and bad news for many OFW working in the states with that kind of jobs, if they are going to priorities hiring american workers, in my opinion then the US is closing it's doors for many OFW

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Quote from: squatz1 on April 18, 2017, 07:43:14 PM

What does everyone on here think about Trumps newest executive order which surrounds around the topic of people buying American Goods and hiring American Workers. This is going to direct exective agencies to follow through on his campaign promise of buying American and such.

I think this is going to help him tremendously when it comes to following through on his promises and should help him heavily with approval ratings.

Here's the article by CNN by the way - http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/trump-wisconsin-buy-american/index.html

I wish my countries will adopt the same thing as this will help eliminate poverty, unemployment and inequality in our society and countries. Trump decision to fulfil his campaign promises of buying goods produced in America and hire American to produced those goods will weak china yen and straighten dollar and every wise president should follow suite.

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Companies should be free to hire anyone they wish. If they want to hire a qualified worker from outside the US, then let them do that. Why force them to hire American nationals, if they are not qualified enough?

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As an American, I'm ok with the "Hire American" part. The "Buy American" part I'm not too sure about. I don't know if he means companies must buy parts and items needed to conduct their business, but personally as a consumer in a free market, I should be able to buy whatever I want regardless of where it was made.

Because of multiple past bad history with shit quality American made cars breaking down on me - Ford and Chevrolet to be specific, I will never ever ever buy another American made car for as long as I live.

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I'm a fan of these policies.

They don't mandate that every American employer hire American workers, they mandate a review of employment policies and how Federal government contracts are granted to companies. I'm especially a fan of government contracts going to American owned companies BUT there needs to be the right balance between if they can do the job right, on time, and on budget.

An example of the opposite was when Obama hired a Canadian company to build the website for the Affordable Care Act and it crashed upon its go-live. The US practically invented website administration, mechanics, and design...the President should have gone to Silicon Valley to enlist the best US firm to produce the website with the functionality needed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2017, 08:21:00 PM

Similar policies exist in most of the world nations, and why the Americans should be the exception? American workers should be given the preference for work inside the United States. The US can't be charitable to the rest of the world, when the reverse is not true.

Agree.that we deserve the same as everyone else, and charity starts at home. But the fact of the matter is we don't have the infrastructure to produce alot of the shit we make, because we don't have access to cheap factory labor like China, and the lack of regulation over there lowers operating costs, making for cheap, exportable products. We won't be able to afford our own products if we switch over to purely American product sourcing lines. And given the amount of infrastructure Trump is planning to build, do we have the production capacity to accommodate this new strategy? Hire American, I have no complaints against. Fucking right, hire American. It's America. But buy American, not so inspired, in my eyes.

For an experiment, check something out for me. Wait for peaches and plums to come in this season, in supermarkets. The lack of immigrants crossing the border now, and this terrible, terrible growing season (we still haven't planted this year) will make this produce expensive as all get out. Mark my words. And this will be alot of other crops as well, ESP the Cali fruit crops and organic veggies. I'm all for change, but there are consequences.

All that labor intensive hydro lettuce grown in greenhouses? Harvested by immigrants, and highly perishable.

Tomatoes too.

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Similar policies exist in most of the world nations, and why the Americans should be the exception? American workers should be given the preference for work inside the United States. The US can't be charitable to the rest of the world, when the reverse is not true.

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What does everyone on here think about Trumps newest executive order which surrounds around the topic of people buying American Goods and hiring American Workers. This is going to direct exective agencies to follow through on his campaign promise of buying American and such.

I think this is going to help him tremendously when it comes to following through on his promises and should help him heavily with approval ratings.

Here's the article by CNN by the way - http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/politics/trump-wisconsin-buy-american/index.html

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