Topic: Trump Election Results Speech: Here Are All The False Claims (Read 352 times)

If anyone actually ever believed that all elections weren't rigged, they were a fool.

what traiterous fool?

the traitors that will let foreign criminals into the country while defunding the police and army, letting vulnerable citizens exposed to criminals and beggers,

are now getting into power.

migration itself isnt a crime,

but migrating and then containing yourself at the expense of others (social justice begging) and environmental consumption however is.

communists are fools because they want to open the border and sell out everyone until they then get unseated themselves by their migrant hordes.

Before the election, the PA Supreme Court ruled 4-3 that "Ballots are to be treated as timely if they are postmarked on or before election day and are received within three days thereafter."

GOP asked SCOTUS to reverse it.

SCOTUS chose not to reverse it, but ordered that the ballots accepted after election day be treated as timely and segregated in case they ended up hearing the case after the election.

The votes should be treated as valid until a judge rules them as invalid.  This isn't a matter of whether or not you agree with the ruling, it's a matter of following the judges orders or not.  The scenario where your argument would be valid is If the SCOTUS reversed the PA State Court ruling, and then they accepted the ballots after election day anyway.

Pretty sure it would actually be a crime if they didn't accept them as you and Trump are suggesting - can't just do what you want because you don't like how the judicial system handled it.  


Trumps lawyers have already admitted in court, under oath, that poll watchers on behalf of the president actually were allowed in the room.

There have also been a lot of now debunked false claims involving voter fraud.  I think it's likely one of those is your source.

I have to say, seeing those Trump supporters standing outside the ballot counting buildings chanting and waving placards made me think how desperate both Trump and those supporters really must be.

After all, the man himself was too busy playing golf when he was advised of Biden officially winning the presidency and after he was told... well he just.... carried on swinging those golf clubs. So my point is if Trump was not bothered about Biden winning then Trump supporters should stop for a second and look at the bigger picture and think about moving on.

The last time I checked, PA election officials declined to allow poll watchers watch the ballot counting, even after a PA appellate court ordered them to.  (this is a different case)
The state law is clear, in PA, the deadline to receive ballots is 8 PM on election day. Any vote received after this deadline is not a legal vote, and as such should not count. The term "fraudulent" may or may not be appropriate, however, these are not votes that should be counted.

 "COUNT THE VOTES...   COUNT THE VOTES!!"

Oh wait, no .... "STOP THE COUNT, STOP THE COUNT!!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krur4xLPxD4


Pathetic.

to add to the drama. idiot fanboy trumpist voters some how think just by saying they love trump, earns them the position of being trumps 'observers' and they wanted to be allowed into the counting facility. however the officials are the ones allowed in. the counting facility had to cover the glass windows because of the dumb idiotic chanting and screaming and window tapping the idiots outside were doing
this stemmed from trump telling normal NON officials to try to get inside the facility. yet legally they are not allowed.
only official observers are allowed in and all ballot counting facilities had official observers from both sides

sorry fangirls of trump but just being a fan does not make you official. get over it

Thank you for capturing the mood in a nutshell with that excellent post. Trump lost, he is a bad loser, he wants to cling on to power by starting lawsuits but he lost the election - that is all that matters.

And as for that user, I added him to my ignore list a very long time ago, he is not worth being given even an iota of attention.

Americans were indeed able to free themselves from a “traitorous fool”
They voted him out and he will be vacating the premises come next year.

Also...take your toxic posts and put em all where the sun don’t shine.
Then do us all a favor and take a long walk off a short pier.

Calm down and take a breath.

I'm sure that once it's all been analysed and found to be in order Trump will do what is required.
Those that seem to worry and complain about scrutiny are often found to be hiding something.

1. If it the rules have been provably broken = Trump and the US majority have a right to be upset and demand fair treatment.
2. If there is strong corroborating evidence the rules may have been broken = Then time must be allowed to thoroughly investigate.
3. If the rules themselves have not been broken but holes have been found and used to unfairly and inaccurately misrepresent the will of the majority then they must be fixed but it must be legally decided upon when they will be fixed.

There is no point either Trump or Biden trying to claim this until full analysis and investigation has been completed.
Anyone trying to rush or skimp on thorough investigation and analysis looks dirty.

Surely nobody can disagree that there is no harm in rooting out the truth.
Some shady sounding events have seemingly taken place. If there are not conclusively and thoroughly debunked you will end up with some very disgruntled people believing genuinely they have been scammed.

Some people make it sound very easy to cheat this voting by mail system. If it is then this could provide the impetus to plug the holes.
Trump or Biden? Let the genuine votes decide.

Perhap blockchain could help fix this shambles.

Well Trump should practice what he preaches and follow on what he proudly tweeted about Putin and the Democrats.

Trump is a narcissist on a scale that has never been seen before in a president of the USA, he will not go quietly and will try to pull as many diversion tactics as possible to delay the inevitable. He actually thinks he will cling on to power but he is a deluded and mentally weak fool who should never have won the presidency in the first place because he was (and still is) unsuitable for the roles and responsibilities attached to the post.

Trump doesn't want to go away the White House if the vote count isn't over now because he's hopeful he will win the vote. But Biden is way before Trump the planet is now watching the ultimate results of the US presidential election. But there are still many votes to be counted meanwhile Donald Trump has declared himself the winner and accused his opponent of electoral fraud. But the many votes cast legally haven't yet been counted that seems to be the truth now which can provoke outrage among the opposition and lead the country to an extended and bitter legal battle.

Sometimes back, i remember there was a poll which had many options , one clause being that will trump leave the white house if he lost  the election?
The number of votes on that were very less but now i think trump doesn't want to leave the white house and will go to any level for this.

if the democrats get to power and get their puppet biden to become president everyone that voted democrat will have to feel ashamed of himselves.

only traitors would vote for someone like biden if they live in america

The SCOTUS ordered "ballots received after election day be
segregated so that if the State Supreme Court’s decision is
ultimately overturned, a targeted remedy will be available."

That's what's happening.  Election officials are following the orders of both PA State and SCOTUS.

Trump is arguing that they they are already fraudulent and should not be counted and a whole bunch of other nonsense.

They should be accepting the ballots, counting them, and keeping them separate from the votes received on or before election day.

Here's the ruling: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdf

And no, I'm not being paid to post 'propaganda talking points', silly.


Now would be a good time for Trump to go back and read this tweet:

Your post is false. The US SC declined to take up the case prior to the election, which was a bad idea. The SCOTUS actually just ordered that ballots received after the statutory deadline should be both kept and counted separately.

I understand you are being paid to post propaganda talking points, but please try to stick to the facts.

Both PA State and US Supreme Courts ruled that if a PA ballot was postmarked by election day and received within 3 days after, the vote counted.

So, that's what the rule.  Even if Trump says otherwise.

There are currently 5 democrats and 2 Republicans on the PA state supreme court.

The constitution is also very clear as to who has authority to set election rules; the state legislatures, and the PA law, that the PA state legislature passed, is clear, votes by mail must be received by 8 PM on election day, not 3 days later.  

The above is in addition to the other falsehoods in the OP.

I think the "leadership" needs the votes of QAnon nutjobs so they'll be sucking up to Trump until they find someone else capable of riling the "base" up.

By the judges reactions to the lawsuits so far, it seems pretty clear that the Trump campaign is literally just making shit up - which isn't surprising in any way.


NV
“There is no evidence that any vote that should be lawfully counted has been or will not be counted.  There is no evidence that any vote that should lawfully not be counted has been or will be counted. There is no evidence that any election worker did anything outside of the law, policy or procedures. Petitioners do not have standing to maintain their mandamus claims.”


PA
"Having read and considered said petition, all argument and evidence of record, including the evidence presented at the hearing, and the applicable law, the Court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7:00 p.m. on election day, thereby making those ballots invalid. Additionally, there is no evidence that the Chatham County Board of Elections or the Chatham County Board of Registrars has failed to comply with the law."


Hopefully GOP leadership decide he's no longer of any value and turn on him sooner rather than later.  They got their Scotus, they got a shitload of federal judges, it looks like they held the senate, it's time to take the win and move on.

Allegations of fraud that would shift the amount of votes needed to change the outcome are almost impossible to prove or gather evidence for so it won't hold up in court.  Its basically a conspiracy theory. 

Will this not all get appealed to the supreme court? Or if the local courts feel there is no grounds for considering a case does it just get shelved there and then with no route to supreme? RG is a high profile lawyer isn't he? Wouldn't be pushing this if he knew there was zero evidence to corroborate ? I don't know much about the legal system.

I mean ruling the observers should be permitted closer to the counters now won't help them see that which they previously missed observing closely enough?

Surely everything contested will need to be counted again under tighter scrutiny.

I don't care which wins that much but surely everything must be observably and unquestionably and strictly by the rules.
This is a closely run and rather important event right?

This shit happens everytime recently. How can this process be so sloppy and open to such abuse?

Who ever wins should do so fair and square.
The numbers are super close in some states.

There are some rumors about Trump TV. They have some Youtube channel, or something on Facebook, I don't recall, but they're planning to do a "real" TV channel.


The court system is not having it.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/05/931699984/trump-launches-broad-legal-gambit-paired-with-public-doubt-raising-on-results



All they've achieved so far was for the observers to get closer to vote counters in Philly, which didn't really stop votes for Biden from being counted.

In the court system.

You might want to re examine your  opinions.

I am unsure what would be a bigger embarrassment for Trump within his capacity as current president of the USA:

- getting cut-off mid-speech on major television news networks because of him effectively lying and news anchors either saying so openly or at the very least alluding to it

or

- Republican party officials telling Trump that he should gracefully concede defeat and stop acting like a spoilt brat

I'm so sick and tired of Trump said something and immediately you have the supposed to be unbiased anchor saying, "This is a lie." It's sickening. Let the guy talk. Trump says that they have been hearing stories of this and that. Immediately, "This is a lie..." Just let the guy talk and let things evolve.

No, it's a good article. Clear, concise and brimful of facts. But you don't have to take the Guardian as the source... cracks are appearing in the ranks, Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger (Illinois) has just tweeted advising Trump to "STOP Spreading debunked misinformation... This is getting insane." https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1324503564891414528

Meanwhile, at the last count (as of 27 August), Trump has made 22,247 false or misleading claims in 1,316 days in office (obviously this will have increased somewhat over the couple of months since then). The next question, I suppose, is that once he's no longer a figure in prominent public office, and his Twitter account is no longer invulnerable, will he be banned instead of just having all his posts tagged?

I'm no fan of Trump, and whilst I think he's a bit of a low-watt bulb, there's no disputing that he's a fantastically skilled demagogue. Just wondering what might happen if he loses his primary avenue of communication...

Still diligently working at the propaganda desk, I see.

But your best efforts won't matter.

These issues are in the court system.

It will take the proper action in the courts for Trump to stop this Biden threat. If Trump really has the evidence that he says he has, it will be good-bye for a whole bunch of people in Government. They'll be behind bars or executed for treason. So, you can expect them to fight for their lives, like cornered rats.

The point for the rest of us is, we need to personally come out and stand up against the average people aligned with the criminal Swamp people. Some of it will have to be done with guns, since the police forces and the military aren't stepping in to shut down the riots.

When this happens, we will find out FOR REAL how many Biden supporters exist out there. The Antifa Islam-cell-like jokers are ready for war, even though there are relatively few of them. What are we going to do? Let ourselves be take hostage by a bunch of one-world government jokers who want to make slaves of us all? Or will we live free, upholding the principles of our Founding Fathers who fought to be free.


Biden Campaign Threatens to 'Escort Trespassers From the White House'

don't forget the most disgusting reason about the democrats they represent foreign racism and greed against america, and biden is their stupid and senile old white man.

LOL! The biggest fact is that Biden barely had anybody coming to his rallies. And when he DID speak in public, he was so mentally mixed up, that he often didn't make any sense at all.

But Trump had millions coming to his rallies all over the place. You can see it for both these guys if you simply look at the rally videos, or go to the people in the areas where the rallies were held and find out for yourself.

The point? Biden lost. If it looks like he won, it has to be lies. People don't suddenly support a joker that they wouldn't even come to the rallies for. The OP is playing with your mind.

democrats represent nothing more than foreign greed jealousy racism and hate, against americans

thats why they elected a foolish and stupid and traiterous old white man into power.

i wouldn't mind if trump steals the election, and establishes a military dictatorship like in the middle east.

the democrats are immoral, they can go to hell and i am saying that a someone from germany

hopefully americans will be able to free themselves from those traiterous fools.

@JollyGood few of his own party members have spoken against him because of his misleading statements on the election, and his sons have tweeted in sheer desperation that he’s not getting any support from the party. Furthermore his live telecast too had to be cut off due to the misinformation that he was spreading, and this shows that America is uniting against his misleading statements.

Sources:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8919791/Republicans-slam-Trumps-claim-massive-conspiracy-Democrats-media-big-money.html

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/trump-twitter-speech-biden-2020-election-results-count-pennsylvania-michigan-nevada-arizona-covid-giuliani-1.50058436

https://www.rappler.com/world/us-canada/us-media-cut-off-call-out-trump-election-fraud-lies-live-tv-presidential-election-2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/06/trump-biden-election-live-updates/

Here is an interesting article debunking the fake news (oh the irony) and propaganda spread by Trump: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trumps-speech-all-the-false-claims

I would say it is clear Trump did increase his vote significantly from 2016, the Democrat voters came out to ensure Biden would get elected and Trump is using every tactic in the book to hold on to power.


#1 - "WE HAVE SO MUCH EVIDENCE"

Trump: “We’re hearing stories that are horror stories … We think there is going to be a lot of litigation because we have so much evidence and so much proof.”

The Facts: Trump has produced no evidence of systemic problems in voting or counting. In fact the ballot-counting process across the country has been running smoothly for the most part, even with the US in the throes of the coronavirus pandemic.

One of his main complaints – that counting spilled over past election day – is meritless. No presidential election has had all the votes counted the same day, and there is no law or even expectation that it should be the case. The surge in mailed ballots and the high turnout have made the process slower than usual in some, but not all, cases.



#2 - "PENNSYLVANIA"

Trump: “In Pennsylvania partisan Democrats have allowed ballots in the state to be received three days after the election and we think much more than that and they are counting those without any postmarks or any identification whatsoever.”

The Facts: The state supreme court, not “partisan Democrats”, ordered that ballots filled out before the end of election day could be received up to three days later and still be counted. The US supreme court examined the case and did not stand in the way of the three-day timeframe but may review the matter later. A number of other states have also made accommodations for the additional mailed ballots.

Trump: “Pennsylvania Democrats have gone to the state supreme court to try and ban our election observers … They don’t want anybody in there. They don’t want anybody watching them while they are counting the ballots.”

The Facts: That is false. The president is wholly misrepresenting the court case. No one tried to ban poll watchers representing each side and Democrats did not try to stop Republican representatives from being able to observe the process.

The main issue was how close observers representing the parties could get to election workers who are processing mail-in ballots. The Trump campaign sued to let observers to get closer than the guidelines had allowed. A court ruled in favour of that request.



#3 - "MICHIGAN"

Trump: “Our campaign has been denied access to observe any counting in Detroit.”

The Facts: That is false. Absentee ballots were counted at a downtown convention centre where 134 counting boards were set up. Each party was allowed one poll watcher per board, said the city clerk, Janice Winfrey. She was not aware of any Republican poll watchers being removed but noted some had been “very aggressive, trying to intimidate the poll workers and processors”.

Mark Brewer, former chairman of the Michigan Democratic party, said he was inside the convention centre and access was cut off to some people from both sides at one point because of capacity restrictions related to the pandemic.



#4 - "GEORGIA"

Trump: “The election apparatus in Georgia is run by Democrats.”

The Facts: False. The state’s elections are overseen by a Republican – the secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger.

Trump: “The 11th Circuit ruled that in Georgia the votes have to be in by election day, that they should be in by election day. And they weren’t. Votes are coming in after election day.”

The Facts: Although the court ruled that votes must be in by 7pm election day for them to count, an exception was made for ballots from US military forces serving overseas. Those can be received until 5pm on Friday and still count. Election officials in Georgia are still counting votes but they are votes that have been lawfully received.



#5 - "LEGALITY OF VOTES"

Trump: “If you count the legal votes, I easily win. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us.”

The Facts: This is baseless. Neither Trump’s campaign aides nor election officials have identified substantial numbers of “illegal” votes, much less the big numbers it would take to ruin an easy win by Trump. He frequently speaks as if mail-in voting is illegitimate. But it has been done in accordance with state voting rules, in some cases adapted by officials to help voters get through the pandemic safely.

Trump: “We were winning all the key locations, by a lot actually.” (Complaining that underhanded activity sapped his leads in important races.)

The Facts: The change in fortunes he speaks about is explained by the nature of vote counting in the states – not by any sudden surge of malfeasance.

Often, big cities are slower to report their numbers, and those big-city votes tend to skew Democratic. Likewise, states tend to count mail-in ballots at the end of the process. That portion of the vote has tended to favour Biden, because Trump had told his supporters to avoid mail-in voting, and to vote in person either early or on election day. This explains why Trump finished election night with leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia, among the states most in play, then saw his advantage begin to fray by Wednesday and afterwards.