Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!!

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Quote from: squatz1 on November 12, 2020, 01:44:23 PM

Kinda gravedigging here but I don't really see a need to start another thread about TikTok.

Trump administration hasn't said anything regarding the TikTok ban without much time left for the ban to actually go into effect. Seems like we're going to see the ban go into effect at midnight on the 13th, which is only around 12 hours away at this point (EST- DC) The 12AM deadline is one of the original deadlines, so no one really knows where we're at with that.

At this point Trump really has no reason not to do this. He'll probably like the attention from banning this and putting pressure on the Chinese regime. Trump is thought to want to built out his own digital media empire as he has many millions of supporters who would love to be apart of it.

https://www.axios.com/tiktok-ban-deadline-60a78e47-d937-4e64-85d3-b4b3d2e02d9d.html

@squatz1 TikTok has got the dates extended thanks to the US Judge, and now the new dates are December 14th and December 28th for both sides (TikTok and Trump team) to file relevant documents. Lastly at this stage no one really knows whether TikTok will survive or no, because Biden too has expressed genuine concern about TikTok, and he’ll be having a say on this matter in January 2021 when he’s officially elected to the White House.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/11/12/keep-dancing-us-issues-stay-in-trump-tiktok-battle

https://inews.co.uk/us-election-2020/joe-biden-inauguation-day-2021-takes-office-us-president-election-result-2020-donald-trump-751617

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-ban-biden/biden-says-he-sees-tiktok-as-a-matter-of-genuine-concern-idUSKBN26938G

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Kinda gravedigging here but I don't really see a need to start another thread about TikTok.

Trump administration hasn't said anything regarding the TikTok ban without much time left for the ban to actually go into effect. Seems like we're going to see the ban go into effect at midnight on the 13th, which is only around 12 hours away at this point (EST- DC) The 12AM deadline is one of the original deadlines, so no one really knows where we're at with that.

At this point Trump really has no reason not to do this. He'll probably like the attention from banning this and putting pressure on the Chinese regime. Trump is thought to want to built out his own digital media empire as he has many millions of supporters who would love to be apart of it.

https://www.axios.com/tiktok-ban-deadline-60a78e47-d937-4e64-85d3-b4b3d2e02d9d.html

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 20, 2020, 06:10:33 AM

Tiktok and other companies wont change their terms of services anytime soon. As far as privacy is concerned, then there is no privacy anywhere. Whatever you search on the google can be tracked and traced too so why they are furious if app like tiktok also collects the private data.

Well obviously they're not going to change the way they collect data, they're currently making TONS of money off of it. The problem that US politicians are having (especially Trump) with TikTok is that they don't want a Chinese company to get a leg up in American markets. No one wants the Chinese government (and their companies, which are directly intertwined with the Chinese government) to have data on hundreds of millions of Americans which China could leverage at a certain point against the US.

Do American companies have data on Americans? Yes, totally. But those companies are beholden to the US, US oversight and their regulations.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:51 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 03:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

Tencent just holds 11% of total shares but still got banned by Indian government just for the reason of Chinese based company and if Trump got successful with Tiktok then I believe he is going to apply the same strategy to every Chinese working app in USA for sure.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 20, 2020, 06:10:33 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:51 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 03:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

Tiktok and other companies wont change their terms of services anytime soon. As far as privacy is concerned, then there is no privacy anywhere. Whatever you search on the google can be tracked and traced too so why they are furious if app like tiktok also collects the private data.

Totally agree! If you care about privacy, throw your mobile gadget away.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:51 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 03:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

Tiktok and other companies wont change their terms of services anytime soon. As far as privacy is concerned, then there is no privacy anywhere. Whatever you search on the google can be tracked and traced too so why they are furious if app like tiktok also collects the private data.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 20, 2020, 12:54:51 AM

Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 03:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

@squatz1 you’re right because this deal may yet fall through because even after Trump’s approval, now Tiktok needs the approval of China to proceed ahead. Secondly when Trump passed the ordinance to have Tiktok banned he wanted an outright sale of Tiktok, but in current deal Tiktok parent company yet holds the majority share. Lastly the only plus point from this deal for Trump is that Tiktok will create a 5 billion education fund, and will further help to generate over 25k Jobs in US, but this is once again subject to the approval of China.

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Well, he appears now to be satisfied that the security arrangements proposed. But it's more complex than that. The deal also proposes a $5bn education fund - and will reportedly create 25,000 US jobs.
This is not a done deal though, the Chinese government still has to approve it - and there's no guarantee that will happen.

Read here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54221897

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Quote from: akram143 on September 17, 2020, 03:43:36 PM

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)

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^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

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Little update to what I wrote above. WSJ is reporting that Trump is NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT DEAL as it still leaves ByteDance (TikTok owner) with majority ownership of US operations for TikTok. Tresuary department has responded to ByteDances complaints regarding the US's proposal with a counterproposal, pushing for Oracle to be the majority owner of US operations.

I get it, cause you don't want to go through all of this and then just end up with a chinese company still in control of the whole thing. Data may be stored in the US under the current ByteDance proposal, but what does it change if they have full control over the company who owns the data?

“My big concern is if all we’re doing is repackaging it and still keeping it as a predominantly Chinese government-run company, that would not set well with the original goals the president outlined,” - Mark Meadows

Source : https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-concerns-grow-over-emerging-tiktok-deal-with-oracle-11600359798?mod=hp_lead_pos1

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Quote from: Mauser on September 16, 2020, 03:07:36 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on September 15, 2020, 03:51:41 PM

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

This is great news, finally something happening against this data storage of Chinese companies. Will this only affect American accounts or all of North America? And what about Europe? We are having the same issues over here. I wish European politicians would have a stricter approach towards Chinese companies.

I'm pretty SURE this is just the American side of the business. Other countries may join in and try for force China to do the same sort of thing, though they also face the blowback of the Chinese government attacking (regulatory attack) against their companies in. America is a bit of an outlier in regards to the amount of power they wield in geopolitics.

But yeah, I think this is JUST for US operations / data collection.

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Quote from: squatz1 on September 15, 2020, 03:51:41 PM

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

This is great news, finally something happening against this data storage of Chinese companies. Will this only affect American accounts or all of North America? And what about Europe? We are having the same issues over here. I wish European politicians would have a stricter approach towards Chinese companies.

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Quote from: NotATether on September 15, 2020, 01:44:48 PM

Timely bump.

It seems that neither Microsoft nor Oracle have been able to buy Tiktok, and we're right at the original September 15 deadline. Anyone else think that ultimately no ban will be made and Trump's threats will just fizzle away?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

...Trump issued an executive order requiring ByteDance to cease transactions in the U.S. effective Sept. 20 because of concerns about its ties to the Chinese government. He later signed a separate executive order giving the company 90 days to sell TikTok to a U.S. company, adding that the deal would need the administration's approval.

So Trump's just going to keep extending the deadline while he's waiting for results until some other world event distracts him from it?

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

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Timely bump.

It seems that neither Microsoft nor Oracle have been able to buy Tiktok, and we're right at the original September 15 deadline. Anyone else think that ultimately no ban will be made and Trump's threats will just fizzle away?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

...Trump issued an executive order requiring ByteDance to cease transactions in the U.S. effective Sept. 20 because of concerns about its ties to the Chinese government. He later signed a separate executive order giving the company 90 days to sell TikTok to a U.S. company, adding that the deal would need the administration's approval.

So Trump's just going to keep extending the deadline while he's waiting for results until some other world event distracts him from it?

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Quote from: Mauser on August 14, 2020, 04:21:13 AM

Quote from: Vilagra on August 13, 2020, 02:23:12 PM

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

At the moment it looks like the App will be transfered to a company based in USA so it can be better monitored.

Honestly baning technology seems just wrong. But we should also crack down on China for baning Whatsapp and Instagram

FYI, China never allows any other country's social media to work inside their mainland even Google is not allowed there so they never allows any of their people to give any information to the other countries.WeChat is the only chatting app allowed there and it has almost all the features of other social media and work inside the Chinese land.

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Quote from: Vilagra on August 13, 2020, 02:23:12 PM

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

At the moment it looks like the App will be transfered to a company based in USA so it can be better monitored.

Honestly baning technology seems just wrong. But we should also crack down on China for baning Whatsapp and Instagram

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Quote from: Vilagra on August 13, 2020, 02:23:12 PM

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

They already did, but not as a separate app.Instragram was owned by facebook as well which has the tiktok like feature called Reels and it has been laucnched on different countries when Tiktok was banned there.So people who had influence on Toktok can simply carry over their dominance on to the instagram so easily by posting the same related contents of their previous ones.

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I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

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WSJ Exclusive has some new information regarding TikTok. They're were found to have been using a banned method by Google on the android OS to obtain unique identifiers on all of their users.

Just for all the techie people, they were actually tracking users' MAC address which can't be reset or removed or anything along those lines. Even if users attempted to opt out of tracking on TikTok, it wouldn't do anything.

The WH was obviously concerned about this tracking. Makes sense to force the sale to an American company. That makes US intelligence happier. At least it keeps our tracking inside the US instead of with China..... lol

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tiktok-tracked-user-data-using-tactic-banned-by-google-11597176738?mod=hp_lead_pos2

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 01, 2020, 02:58:28 AM

Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!!

Interesting that suddenly privacy matters once again

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 08, 2020, 06:25:25 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:50:43 AM

Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 04:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

China is banning these companies for political reasons, their system is quite clean about this. It's not good in my opinion, but the rules are fixed and clear. The USA have a much subtile system in which when one of their companies is losing (or if they are losing a market they consider critical), the government intervenes and helps national companies. Both situations are bad, but the US are clamming to be a free market when the government gives a clear advantage to national companies.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 08, 2020, 06:25:25 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:50:43 AM

Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 04:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

I think one of the most fair criticism to something like this is -- why is the President the one who is able to wield this sort of power. That's not me attacking Trump or anything like that, that's me attacking the broad powers of the executive that have only continued to strengthen throughout the decades. The President shouldn't have the power to, at the stroke of the pen without Congress, ban things as he pleases without showing evidence that they are working with a foreign government.

Do I think that TikTok should be banned? Yes. Without a doubt.

I do think it's important to note what sort of precedent gets set though. You do have to think 10 years from now. Will the next few Presidents use this as a precedent to ban apps, maybe ones that are critical of them or the government? Just spitballing here.

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"As Trump Advances Ban, CIA Says No Evidence of TikTok Giving Data to China"

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/08/07/as-trump-advances-ban-cia-says-no-evidence-of-tiktok-giving-data-to-china/

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Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:50:43 AM

Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 04:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

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Quote from: cabron on August 08, 2020, 04:36:21 AM

Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

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Quote from: Barnabe on August 08, 2020, 04:24:57 AM

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.

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It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on August 01, 2020, 08:47:19 AM

Banning an app just because you saw what you consider wrong and because you have the right isn't so justifiable. It's more like taking people's choice out of their hands, like they've got no free will, ate dummies and don't know any better.
It's more easier to publicize the menace that can arose from the use of the app rather than banning an app that haven't violated any laws except otherwise.

This is what I agree with. Instead of more freedom of speech/expression violations people should just get the word out about stuff such as this.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

Missed this in my reply before. But yeah, I'm totally not saying that Microsoft then ByteDance (parent company of TikTok). But in regards to US national policy, they would much rather have an American company have control of American data, rather then a Chinese company that could be beholdent to the Chinese government and COULD collect more data then usual.

Trump is now saying that he will ban TikTok if they're not bought by 'some company' by September 15th. People are speculating that the only company that could pass antitrust disputes over this particular issue is Microsoft. As the others of Facebook,Google, and Twitter are expected to not be able to pass through this same antitrust dispute.

Tiktok is demanding 50 billion dollars for giving the license to three countries from MS not sure it will be true or not but there are negotiating going on between them so microsoft is going to buy the tiktok for sure in the coming weeks.

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So far as we stay online, our privacy is compromised in a way. There could be a conspiracy on all these accusations against Tittok. Most of these social media platforms are inclined to the USA government and it could be that there are plans to sabotage all the success of the platform.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

Missed this in my reply before. But yeah, I'm totally not saying that Microsoft then ByteDance (parent company of TikTok). But in regards to US national policy, they would much rather have an American company have control of American data, rather then a Chinese company that could be beholdent to the Chinese government and COULD collect more data then usual.

Trump is now saying that he will ban TikTok if they're not bought by 'some company' by September 15th. People are speculating that the only company that could pass antitrust disputes over this particular issue is Microsoft. As the others of Facebook,Google, and Twitter are expected to not be able to pass through this same antitrust dispute.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2020, 07:24:16 AM

Tiktok should be banned as it's not secure and sells the information to China.

Here's the problem with this statement: Facebook, Twitter and most other western social media apps are also not secure (also since Tiktok is made by a chinese company, china already possesses it's data so I'm not sure what you mean when you said "sells the information to China"), but they are too essential and useful to a lot of people to be banned for poor security practices. China is also known to hack into western companies' IT infrastructure to get information and trade secrets so even if they don't sell it to China they'll just acquire it illegally. Facebook, Twitter et al wouldn't be banned on these grounds so there isn't much of a point to ban TikTok on them either. China will just find another way to market Tiktok to US users.

If this ban does happen I predict it's going to start another trade war with China just like the ban on Huawei last year.

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^we uses most of the apps for free, but those companies are making millions and billions every year so basically they sell data for advertisement purpose but I doubt they will collect sensitive data like card details, if they do then almost everyone in the world will lose their savings on bank accounts. Cheesy

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Quote from: cabron on August 03, 2020, 04:53:42 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

Almost every app collects data and that is not the problem, in China they have a rule where every app needs to give collected data if Chinese government asks for it, no more question and that has been highlighted as a main reason now for banning Chinese apps.

Indeed. Almost every applications we download in our devices like computers and smart phones collects data for app purposes, so I think we didn't have any chance to protect our personal data or information because we mostly input our full names, contact numbers, emails, credit/debit card numbers, and other personal informations.

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Quote from: cabron on August 03, 2020, 04:53:42 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

Almost every app collects data and that is not the problem, in China they have a rule where every app needs to give collected data if Chinese government asks for it, no more question and that has been highlighted as a main reason now for banning Chinese apps.

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Quote from: cabron on August 03, 2020, 04:53:42 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

That would be the case, though Americans would be much happier with knowing that their data isn't leaving their own country of the US. As Microsoft servers would be hosted in America, and not sending info to China (as it is currently done by TikTok as of right now)

Privacy analysis of TikTok from someone online - https://rufposten.de/blog/2019/12/05/privacy-analysis-of-tiktoks-app-and-website/
Plain English Reddit Summary -

Quote from: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/e7apyc/privacy_analysis_of_tiktoks_app_and_website/

TikTok is sending data to both Facebook and Appsflyer, personal data and data about your device and content habits. Once it gets to Appsflyer, it could go to over 4500 affiliated companies that we don't know about.

On top of that, all this data (including fingerprints and audio, I think) is sent to TikTok headquarters in Beijing, in a non European country with less privacy laws.

While I do feel better with my data being in America, it would be very stupid of me to think that American companies have my best interest at heart when collecting my data. As we all know they're most likely just going to sell it to tons of others.

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They should have ban it a long time ago... I believe the main reason was the competition against China, not really the app because they can't ban their own. Facebook leaked 419 million users data, this one should call for a ban..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/09/05/facebook-security-snafu-exposes-419-million-user-phone-numbers/#93474121ab7f

There will be no more DOGE pump if Tiktok is gone for most of us. Cheesy

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 03, 2020, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

And Tiktok will notbe banned anymore after the sale because its not owned by MS. Right?

As if Microsoft hasn't have tons of issue regarding privacy. Tiktok had been around for years like facebook who blatantly collects data from its users, it seem pretty normal to get KYC today. Whether for tax or advertising purpose that they collect browsing habits, it had become a norm already by these companies.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 03, 2020, 03:34:25 PM

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

Yeah they can share the knowledge how they get away with pretty much the same shit in Windows 10

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Quote from: Rikafip on August 03, 2020, 07:44:35 AM

Heh, this is the funny part. We can compile your data because we're American companies, but TikTok can't because they're from a different country -- and with that, a bad bad red country. In all honesty though, I do think that China is a plague on the world.

But Trump has now signaled that he will support the sale of TikTok to Microsoft, and the two companies have continued negotiating right now. As they had stopped negotiating when it seemed like the admin would block the sale of the company.

Microsoft totally has the ability to work with the regulatory issues around TikTok, and they're a trusted name in the space.

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Quote from: Sendoku on August 02, 2020, 09:52:17 PM

Lmao

I don't like the reasons or logic behind his proposition, but I damn would like something like tik-tok and twitter to be eliminated

Any app developer I am sure would be welcome to make a proposal to straighten out and correct their info-stealing-shit-app that they got caught on, and apologize for their commie level theft, and we could move forward as one big happy family.

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He just wants to ban this app because it is Chinese.
Everything that comes from China gives Trump a headache and his moves just make China even stronger in the end and the US citizens start to turn their back on Trump's decisions.

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At one point Tic Tok was accessing the data in your phone's clipboard as frequently as every keystroke made in the App. It also has access to location data, such as where you are anytime you give the app access to your location.

The later can be used to figure out where you both work and live. Given that many people post videos having to do with your their occupation, TicTok can potentially be used to find locations of workplaces in various industries. It could also be used to measure economic activity, know where population centers are specifically.

The app also apparently collects much more data about your phone than most other social media apps collect. I am sure there are other privacy implications to this other data collection, both on an individual, and population level.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 02, 2020, 10:41:21 PM

I guess he told microsoft he 'might let them buy tiktok in America, as long as it's separate from China'.

Selling it to Microsoft is a great idea - TikTok would be dead within a year, problem solved.

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I guess he told microsoft he 'might let them buy tiktok in America, as long as it's separate from China'.

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Lmao

I don't like the reasons or logic behind his proposition, but I damn would like something like tik-tok and twitter to be eliminated

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Quote from: Gyfts on August 02, 2020, 05:40:58 AM

Seems a bit weird that the President has that sort of authority given how ingrained Tiktok is with the millennial crowd. It's a social media platform that was as big as Vine back in the day. Don't think Trump is wrong in his thinking, but maybe wrong in his approach. Tiktok is retarded and a waste of time don't get me wrong, and the app is being used for data mining by Chinese companies, but a complete ban seems like executive overreach. I wouldn't be surprised to see this sort of precedent be abused when more apps start to dominate the market and companies start data mining like hell because we know it's coming. But on that note, I've seen people on the left openly defend the CCP's attempt at using spying apps so it's clear they don't have the answer either.

Congressional regulation of Tiktok, maybe?

Heh, no -- the executive has such broad powers when it comes to issues of national security that it does make sense that the President has this authority. Given the fact that Congress (over the last two decades since 9/11) have surrendered much of their power to the executive.

I do truly think that TikTok is a privacy concern, and they are gathering the data of Americans and sharing it with the Chinese. I'm assuming that the admin has more info on this that we're not too privy too, there probably is some involvement of the Chinese government in making sure that it blew up. We'll see what comes next for this company. I'm expecting a sale to a US company with the blessing of the US government.

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Seems a bit weird that the President has that sort of authority given how ingrained Tiktok is with the millennial crowd. It's a social media platform that was as big as Vine back in the day. Don't think Trump is wrong in his thinking, but maybe wrong in his approach. Tiktok is retarded and a waste of time don't get me wrong, and the app is being used for data mining by Chinese companies, but a complete ban seems like executive overreach. I wouldn't be surprised to see this sort of precedent be abused when more apps start to dominate the market and companies start data mining like hell because we know it's coming. But on that note, I've seen people on the left openly defend the CCP's attempt at using spying apps so it's clear they don't have the answer either.

Congressional regulation of Tiktok, maybe?

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“We’re looking at TikTok," Trump said earlier Friday. "We may be banning TikTok. We may be doing some others things,” Trump told reporters at the White House Friday morning. “We are looking at a lot of alternatives with respect to TikTok.”

According to this news, if trump bans the tiktok, will it be ban only in the US or worldwide ?
I never used tiktok much because i always thought it is waste of time but i am shocked to know that it can be exploited by the countries to gather the personal data.

Trump can only create new policies in the US. So the policies we creates will only affect tiktok operations in the US (this not only means users, but also servers, etc). He can tell the other world leaders to do the same, but there is no guarantee anyone will follow him.

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The tik tok app is also banned in India. I think this is mainly because of anti-China policies and more so because of Covid 19 stuffs. Also there's probability that the app is kind of spy that's collecting datas from phone. While I haven't read much about it, neither have I ever downloaded the app, I can't really say if it's good or bad to ban. But if government does ban it, they must have a good reason behind it!

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 01, 2020, 02:58:28 AM

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“We’re looking at TikTok," Trump said earlier Friday. "We may be banning TikTok. We may be doing some others things,” Trump told reporters at the White House Friday morning. “We are looking at a lot of alternatives with respect to TikTok.”

According to this news, if trump bans the tiktok, will it be ban only in the US or worldwide ?
I never used tiktok much because i always thought it is waste of time but i am shocked to know that it can be exploited by the countries to gather the personal data.

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Me too, I have never downloaded it.

I find myself to be a joke if I also do those dance craze that is being done through Tiktok. Most mature people wouldn't care about the banning of Tiktok but those hard users who do like the app will feel bad on this barring by Trump.

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Quote from: CarnagexD on August 01, 2020, 01:48:54 PM

Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2020, 07:24:16 AM

Tiktok should be banned as it's not secure and sells the information to China. It could have been a great platform to promote talented artists but unfortunately people later started uploading videos where they were promoting guns and other violence. Such platforms need to go through moderation.

Most of the users of this Tiktok app are youth so they are not that knowledgeable about the security. Once they see that the Tiktok app has a lot of users, they will also use it just to come up with the new trend. Some of the Tiktok users are not that aware about the hazards of social media. They should make another app that is more secured than this app if they still want to showcase their talents in the social media. Privacy should be prioritized as it can make your life at risk.

Younger generation or millennials don't care much about privacy and security. It is like their whole life revolves around social media. So this declaration from Trump is just a precaution not to breach the security of his citizens. Not a Tiktok user but I know a lot of my friends using it. Actually, as much as possible I avoided social media nowadays. Your life will become toxic if you get hooked to these socmed.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 01, 2020, 07:24:16 AM

Tiktok should be banned as it's not secure and sells the information to China. It could have been a great platform to promote talented artists but unfortunately people later started uploading videos where they were promoting guns and other violence. Such platforms need to go through moderation.

Most of the users of this Tiktok app are youth so they are not that knowledgeable about the security. Once they see that the Tiktok app has a lot of users, they will also use it just to come up with the new trend. Some of the Tiktok users are not that aware about the hazards of social media. They should make another app that is more secured than this app if they still want to showcase their talents in the social media. Privacy should be prioritized as it can make your life at risk.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 01, 2020, 02:58:28 AM

I am not sure how many TikTok users are there on this forum,

Tiktok is quite popular around the world, so I'll estimate that the forum has quite a lot of TikTok users. The U.S banning TikTok was always inevitable, America will be closing so many other things that connects them with China, there's a muted war going on between them, so every means of supporting their economy or to get data, info or any means of espionage will be cut off.

Definitely, TikTok users in the United States will not take kindly to this declaration by Donald Trump, but this move is very well needed for the U.S to take an upper hand, China generates billions from the app, and it's more popular in India and the U.S, India have banned it and now America, that's somewhat an economic blow, with more to come.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on August 01, 2020, 12:43:29 PM

The TikTok application is currently the most popular application among teenagers and young people because of their enjoyment with hundreds of millions of users.
and every Chinese company is required by Chinese regulations to provide information stored on their networks to Chinese authorities if requested, and there are many other reasons to worry about even though there are many other applications besides Tiktok.

Tiktok is just one popular app on the list but definitely its not the only one, in India more than 100 apps were banned for security reasons and they have list of 275+ apps in the reviewing list so in future there maybe more apps will be banned if it violates the private data.

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The TikTok application is currently the most popular application among teenagers and young people because of their enjoyment with hundreds of millions of users.
and every Chinese company is required by Chinese regulations to provide information stored on their networks to Chinese authorities if requested, and there are many other reasons to worry about even though there are many other applications besides Tiktok.

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Quote from: coins4commies on August 01, 2020, 04:02:35 AM

oh no what if China steals all of our dance moves and then uses our locations to track us down and challenge us to dance-offs? We will be completely unprepared and rattled when they put us on the spot by doing our own routine. CCP is savage, classy, bougie, ratchet....

Did you ever watched anything bad about China on Tiktok App? I bet you cannot because that is how their moderation works so its not really about the videos its about the user's data.In 21 st century privacy data is more valuable asset than anything.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 01, 2020, 02:58:28 AM

I am not sure how many TikTok users are there on this forum, but I had never downloaded this app due to privacy concerns. Also many people are not happy with Trump’s move to ban this app, but I feel that they do not yet understand how their privacy has been invaded, and why it’s best for everyone if this app is banned for good. Furthermore I’m keen to know your views regarding this app would you yet use it knowing very well that your privacy is being invaded, or you’ll uninstall it and reclaim your privacy?.

Really? I thought it's just FaceApp that has issues on security and privacy. Apparently, TikTok got some privacy issues, too.

Glad I'm not a TikTok user. I downloaded it once but I don't really know how to use it and the internet connection in our place is so poor, so I uninstalled it at once. Guess my ignorance is somehow a blessing in disguise.

But I've seen my some people use TikTok as a way to provide information or lessons in a particular subject which is, of course, timely because classes can't be done traditionally so it's helpful in that aspect. However, knowing it's got some issues, Tiktok users should be very careful esp Americans since China shows appetite on their personal data, as stated.

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Banning an app just because you saw what you consider wrong and because you have the right isn't so justifiable. It's more like taking people's choice out of their hands, like they've got no free will, ate dummies and don't know any better.
It's more easier to publicize the menace that can arose from the use of the app rather than banning an app that haven't violated any laws except otherwise.

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Tiktok should be banned as it's not secure and sells the information to China. It could have been a great platform to promote talented artists but unfortunately people later started uploading videos where they were promoting guns and other violence. Such platforms need to go through moderation.

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oh no what if China steals all of our dance moves and then uses our locations to track us down and challenge us to dance-offs? We will be completely unprepared and rattled when they put us on the spot by doing our own routine. CCP is savage, classy, bougie, ratchet....

Yes, CCP is savage do you have a problem?

CCP is the reason why we have this deadly virus, CCP is the reason why every Chinese citizen does not have human right and I can go on and on.

You want you face scanned and your privacy violated by a bunch of CCP goons then go ahead and use that app no one is asking you not too.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 01, 2020, 02:58:28 AM

I am not sure how many TikTok users are there on this forum, but I had never downloaded this app due to privacy concerns. Also many people are not happy with Trump’s move to ban this app, but I feel that they do not yet understand how their privacy has been invaded, and why it’s best for everyone if this app is banned for good. Furthermore I’m keen to know your views regarding this app would you yet use it knowing very well that your privacy is being invaded, or you’ll uninstall it and reclaim your privacy?.

Definitely uninstall. Finally someone is stepping up to the Chinese madness. Just look all the software that is banned in China - so they can copy it from the West and make their own software with the exact same features - just controlled by the communist party. It's good we are doing the same now and should ban more stuff from China - time to fight back. It's not only about privacy it's also about political statements.

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oh no what if China steals all of our dance moves and then uses our locations to track us down and challenge us to dance-offs? We will be completely unprepared and rattled when they put us on the spot by doing our own routine. CCP is savage, classy, bougie, ratchet....

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I am not sure how many TikTok users are there on this forum, but I had never downloaded this app due to privacy concerns. Also many people are not happy with Trump’s move to ban this app, but I feel that they do not yet understand how their privacy has been invaded, and why it’s best for everyone if this app is banned for good. Furthermore I’m keen to know your views regarding this app would you yet use it knowing very well that your privacy is being invaded, or you’ll uninstall it and reclaim your privacy?.

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“We’re looking at TikTok," Trump said earlier Friday. "We may be banning TikTok. We may be doing some others things,” Trump told reporters at the White House Friday morning. “We are looking at a lot of alternatives with respect to TikTok.”

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While TikTok is largely seen as an app for young people, it tracks phone locations and users’ metadata, like many apps, and China has a demonstrated appetite for Americans’ personal data. TikTok has also faced repeated accusations of censoring content unappetizing to Beijing, prompting fears that the app’s popularity serves as an extension of China’s influence.

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