Topic: Trump on Putin's crackdown on journalists: 'it’s never been proven' (Read 584 times)

I have heard there's actually more people go to Bernie Sanders rallies than Trumps but of course he gets a fraction of the publicity

That is exactly the point. The Americans are wasting their time and energy in a war of attrition against Russia and China, and at the same time the Islamic State is expanding all across the world. It is clear that some of the American allies are openly supporting the ISIS, and still the US is ignoring this, as their main focus is to contain Russia.

Well if Trump could normalize relations with Russia, it would do the world a lot of good.
Islamic fundamentalists are definitely the numero uno enemy.

If Putin wants to support a leader who is going to bring down the United States, then he could easily support Hillary Clinton. The US will be bankrupt in a matter of years if she is elected to the post of the POTUS. But then, the issue is that she will create anarchy around the world, by invading third world countries such as Cuba, Iran, and North Korea.

Trump thinks Putin's comments about are real- Putin must be laughing out loud about the idiocy of Trump. Trump is so vain and so potentially dangerous to the world.. "USA wake up and dump Trump."

Well, that is some radical opinion. If you´re interested in discussing it I suggest you start forming an argument out of that opinion by presenting some FACTS in support of it.

Trump has made blunder after blunder, but all were interpreted as being in support of a strong America. He is now endorsing a leader whose only mission in life seems to be to bring down America. I do not believe that Trump will politically survive this stupid little move.

Most of the articles are in Russian, as the mainstream media outside the former USSR ignored it.

This article breiefs about the incident involving Igor Kornelyuk:
https://www.cpj.org/killed/2014/igor-kornelyuk.php

And this one about the death of Andrea Rochelli:
http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/news/2014_05_29/Body-of-Italian-photographer-killed-in-Ukraine-taken-to-Rome-2380/

I never heard about this from media here in the US. Could you send the article to this text?

Ah, I remember now; it wasn´t until much later that Karl Rove was identified as the one who was bragging about creating reality to journalist Ron Suskind in 2002 while the preparations for the Iraq war scam were in full swing. I realize as always that some people will require 100,000 confirmations that these characters in charge  are fucking crazy and here is one more and yes, these nutcases are very well and solidly in place there in Washington DC no matter which President is actually around. It´s a longstanding nutcase system. It doesn´t just go away. On the contrary, it gets stronger over the years.

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As Iraq was unraveling last week (written in 2014) and the possible outlines of the first jihadist state (ISIS is starting to become a major threat)  in modern history were coming into view, I remembered this nugget from the summer of 2002. At the time, journalist Ron Suskind had a meeting with "a senior advisor" to President George W. Bush (later identified as Karl Rove). Here's how he described part of their conversation:

"The aide said that guys like me were ‘in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ‘That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. ‘We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality— judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

As events unfold increasingly chaotically across the region that officials of the Bush years liked to call the Greater Middle East, consider the eerie accuracy of that statement. The president, his vice president Dick Cheney, his defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and his national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, among others, were indeed "history's actors." They did create "new realities" and, just as Rove suggested, the rest of us are now left to "study" what they did. ... more

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/us-karl-rove-iraq-crisis

That wasn´t covered by whores in western media so it doesn´t count.

Remember back then when Karl Rove was mocking gullible idiots that lap up without question what the corporate media feeds them? Which to a great part is what the government feeds those press whores to regurgitate. We create our own reality? People should revisit that. Of course that was what eight years ago or so and much has changed since, I can´t imagine that anybody under the age of 35 take a word of that seriously anymore. And certainly nobody at all with an IQ over 70 which can also read passably. People that do no reading and only rely on TV talking heads can´t be helped obviously.

The NATO-backed forces have been the most prolific killers of the journalists ever since the end of the cold war. Anyone remember the journalists who were deliberately killed by the NATO-backed neo Nazis during the war in Donbass? Remember Andrey Stenin, Igor Kornelyuk, Andrea Rocchelli, Andrei Mironov, Anatoly Klyan and Anton Voloshin?

Republican frontrunner defends endorsement by and of Putin, arguing he would ‘get along [with him] very well for the good of our country’

Donald Trump on Sunday defended Russian president Vladimir Putin’s record on press freedom, challenging journalists to provide him with evidence that the Kremlin has ever sponsored efforts to murder reporters. The Republican frontrunner also vowed again to work closely with Russia, if elected president.


Trump was praised this week by Putin, who described the billionaire businessman as a “very colourful, talented person”. Putin’s words fuelled attacks by Trump’s rivals for the Republican nomination.

But Trump, whose lead in the polls has grown after a series of inflammatory Islamophobic slurs, called the Russian president’s remarks a “great honour” and described Putin as “a man highly respected within his own country and beyond”.

Trump was called out on the platitudes during an interview with MSNBC on Friday. Asked to condemn the Kremlin’s alleged involvement in the assassination of reporters, he responded: “Our country does plenty of killing also.”

In a heated interview on ABC’s This Week on Sunday, Trump said: “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that. I don’t know that he has.”

Trump challenged reporters to name a journalist who had been killed in Russia at the hands of the government. Host George Stephanopoulos cited the 2006 murder of investigative reporter Anna Politkovskaya, which some activists have long linked to the Russian government.

“If he has killed reporters I think that’s terrible,” Trump replied. “But this isn’t like somebody that’s stood with a gun and he’s taken the blame or he’s admitted that he’s killed. He’s always denied it.

“It’s never been proven that he’s killed anybody, so you know you’re supposed to be innocent until proven guilty at least in our country he has not been proven that he’s killed reporters.”

In a retrial in 2014, five men were convicted of Politkovskaya’s murder. But the mastermind of the plot has never been found. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, at least 36 journalists have been murdered since 1993, often in direct retaliation for their work. In only four cases was anyone convicted.

The Putin administration is routinely accused of harsh crackdowns against political opponents and journalists in the region. Shortly after Putin was inaugurated for a third term in 2012, the federal assembly passed a series of bills restricting freedom of speech, which included greater censorship of online publishing, bolstering criminal defamation laws and curtailing the right to assemble.

On Sunday, Trump defended his endorsement by and of Putin, arguing he would “get along [with him] very well for the good of our country”.

“Obama doesn’t get along with Putin,” Trump said. “Putin can’t stand our president and it’s causing us difficulty and frankly, I said it a long time ago, if Russia wants to bomb the hell out of Isis and join us in that effort, then I’m absolutely fine with it. I think that’s an asset not a liability.”

The warm remarks stand in contrast to Trump’s views on other world leaders and traditional allies of the US. Last week he said German chancellor Angela Merkel was “ruining Germany” with her stance on the refugee crisis in Europe, after she was named Time magazine’s person of the year.

British prime minister David Cameron told parliament this week he believed Trump’s controversial plans to ban all Muslims from entering the US, following the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, California, were “divisive, stupid and wrong”.

“If he came to visit our country, I think he would unite us all against him,” Cameron said on Wednesday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/20/donald-trump-defends-vladimir-putin-endorsement