Topic: Trump refuses to wear a mask, but is open to take medicine? (Read 488 times)

Thank Goodness that Mexico is right over the border for us Arizonans.

Just to let you know that "over the counter" doesn't mean freely available for anyone to buy without restriction in France.
And especially not available in supermarket / BestBuy or Walmart as this could be the case in northern America.

It means that you don't have to get a GP's prescription to buy this medicine.
But you still have to go to a registered pharmacy (ie the number of pharmacies/chemist is controlled, and only a pharmacist can open one), once in the pharmacy, you have to ask for the HCQ that is stored in a back room and not on the shelves, and only if the pharmacist deems that you need it will sell you some.
IE: you used to go to a pharmacy, you say that you are planning to travel to a malaria-infested country, they used to sell you some.
Post covid19: you need to go to a GP, tell the GP you are going to travel to a malaria-infested country, pay 3 euros for the consultation and go to a pharmacy to get your malaria medicine.

Just needed to make clear that HCQ was not easily available before, not regular pills you can buy like paracetamol or vitamins (available at each supermarket over-the-counter)

They wear masks, too. Especially the witch doctors.     

The mask saves from dust, what is its worthy application. Masks are harmful for a long time in it. This is all world madness and it makes it scary. Well, we must leave for the remote villages and return to hunting and picking berries.

Is Trump behind the suppression, all the while taking medication himself?


People being left to die from covid-19 infections as anti-viral research suppressed, medications withheld

These masks can't really protect us this is often to take care of the overall alert Although medicine is open for food there's no medicine for the disease If the virus attacks us then the mask will do us nothing. But we'd like to wear a mask to guard ourselves from dust there's nothing to deny here.

do you know whats a really good habit
dont touch your face

I don't think he has symptoms, if he is going to take meds for malaria, that's probably a precaution. Besides, unless one is wearing N-95 masks, the ordinary masks don't really filter viruses out. But wearing ordinary mask is also good in the sense to filter out pollutants and stuffs. So wearing it is a good habit.

ok.. lets shows some reality checks

first of all.. even if you think you are 100% immune,, thats only the case for inside your body.

if you touch a dirty door handle.full of virus. and then stick your finger in your spouses mouth.. because you handled it. did not kill the virus on your hand.
so you pass it on

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with masks. if your going to wear one.. stop friggen adjusting it and moving it. once its on your face leave it there. dont touch it again unless your finished using it and taking it off

many people get a false sense of safety. so the quickly put on a mask. and go out.. they touch everythng without care. meeaning their hand is passing to it everything they touch and accumilating more virus each time..
their nose itches due to the mask rubbing.. so they adjust their mask and rub their nose.. its now on their nose
they put the mask back over the nose and think nothing of it..
its now inside the mask rubbing between ur nose and the mask.aerosolising like skin flakes rubbing off the nose inside the mask. ad you inhale it

so whats important
stop playing with your mask. if you are going to wear it. make sure its securely fitting your fae to be comfortable and tight to not fall down and not rub. so that if your going out for 2 hours. you wont touch it for 2 hours

in short stop touching your face.

yes. having a mask is better then not having one as it is just one more layer of reducing viral load.
what do i mean by this

imagine 1000 tiny ants. representing a virus load
now play a game of viral load. when you touch something you put 20% of that load onto the thing you touched but you also get 20% of whatever that thing had

so imagine a door handle with 1000 load. you get 200
you instantly suck your thumb. thats 40 in your mouth

now with a mask thats 40 on the nose. then 8 aerosolised that go directly into your lungs
better than 40 but still not 0

now imagine because of the mask you touche 5 door handles. your at 1000 so thats 200 on nose and adjust mask thats 40 aerosolised and in your lungs

now imagine you just kept your hand away from your face mask or no mask... 0

get the point
dont get too confident that a mask will shield you
dont get confident that its ok to adjust the mask or rub your nose because you feel the mask is some magic virus killer
dont get confident that you can lick a door handle directly and be safe if you then quickly put your mask back on

in short. dont let a mask be a reason to think you can get to be stupid

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doctors in ICU wards are upclose and persona touching covid positve patients many times many hours. thir viral load would be on my demo scale many thousands on the mask. so its very important for them to wear a mask to keep it away from their face.
their secret. is to before entering ICU, wash hands and gown up in clean sterile area with fresh clean equipment.using fresh clean hands. fulley take the time to get the mask comfy and in a position to never need to touch it until their break..
then do their job and not touch their mask or let things get between the mask and mouth.

its fully important that doctors have the top rated protective equipment because they are dealing with such high viral loads in close proximity for hours..

where as average joe only touching one thing an hour where the load on that thing is lower chance of being an incubating vessel of virus (AKA a sick patient) means the viral load is much lower and risk is lower. and so by just not touching face the risk is so very very low.

so dont take needed supplies away from hospital staff who cannot avoid social distancing nor avoid being near high viral load incubators.. where as you as average joe can.. simply by not touching your face and washing your hands often

a very easy way to remember
imagine everything you touch that the random public touch, including other people is covered with very small venomous spiders.
it might make you think before you start touching everything in sight. especially make you not want to put your hand near your face and instead want to wash your hands clean as soon as you can

or if you dont care about it.. be stupid and just be one of them insane window lickers. im sure people will stay away from youif they start seeing you do weird things

+1 to all of this.

The CDC is recommending that people wear it ensure that they're not spreading the virus to others, not to stop the spread to themselves. This is because 25 percent of people with the coronavirus are showing no symptom and are going to spread the virus at a much higher rate then those that can assume that they have it.

CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

attacks can't be avoided,

there are 2 reasons.

personal affinities what should be considered the truth,

correcting someone elses attitute.

people will also attack others if they don't do what they wan't them to do.

Logically, people who are sick (especially person with respiratory illness caused by viruses/bacteria) are required (mandatory) to wear a face mask with the purpose to minimizing/preventing transmission. But sometimes there are sufferers (patients) who forget to wear a face mask when s/he was in the crowd. The purpose for the public use of face masks is to reduce/minimize the risk of transmission (especially to avoid transmission to people whose their systems immune are down).

From this we can make a conclusions:
- The government enforces the use of face masks with the purpose to minimizing/reducing the transmission.
- Covid will generally be transmitted to people with a weakened immune system.

Trump maybe following WHO protocol. WHO states that face masks are only for sick people.
1. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html
2. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Trump : I’m above military laws.
You : I’m poor, can’t break laws.

A mask will likely not prevent you from getting the Chinese coronavirus, what a mask will do is reduce the chances you will spread the Chinese Coronavirus to someone else.

There is evidence that taking the lupus drug will help you recover from the Chinese Coronavirus quickly, and will result in less severe symptoms while you remain infected. If everyone who has more than mild symptoms is prescribed these drugs, the virus would not be as serious of a problem.

If we were able to see the virus, no one would get sick.  :/

why should he wear a mask he has been twice tested to be negative, and he is the most surveiled being on earth, why should that matter, people that hate him want to see him emberassed thats all

This is incorrect, and is the reason people don't get it.

It is not for your own safety, but for the safety of others, should you be carrying the virus without knowing. If you don't carry it, it won't hurt to wear a mask either, so that is why.

Masks are not blocking the virus from getting in, which is why you should stay away from other humans, or places where other humans have been as much as possible. Preferably, you should not leave your home period.

If you think you can just go out because you wear a mask, you don't get it and are becoming part of the problem, the reason why the virus doesn't end faster. Do not go out is the first and foremost thing everyone should do, being told or not by the inept authorities that most likely let the issue escalate beyond their control due to their lax attitude to the problem.

Once you go out, you are exposing yourself. Your hands should not touch your face ever, do not "fix your mask", you could be introducing the virus from your own fingers, even if you are wearing gloves. Once you return home, you should properly sterilize those gloves/mask and anything you might have brought from the outside. It would be ideal if your shoes never leaved the entrance, Asian home style. Because yes, you can carry the virus in your shoes too...

The medicines that exist, are to deal with the symptoms once they manifest. It is to keep the patient alive, to spare him/her from needing a ventilator which is a very scarce resource. My country is actually doing experimental treatments, double blind and possible secondary effect tests be damned (more or less actual word from the officials). Yes we are basically experimenting live with drugs from China and Cuba, so far so good it seems...

If Trump wants to become guinea pig, be my guest. But if he puts himself in the position of needing that treatment in the first place, he is doing things wrong. Everyone should isolate themselves and that is that. Since people need food and medicine to live, think of a mechanism that can keep those supplies moving, with as little and as sparse involvement of people as possible.

This is not a joke, it is not a vacation. Its not that "gosh, I'm bored indoors", but more like, there is an incurable disease out-there and if i go out, i will make more people die, regardless of it killing me or not.

To summarize, it is not for your own protection, but for the protection of OTHERS, that you wear that fabric mask. The truly safer masks are needed by health workers and medics, and they are disposable, they are better at blocking infection, but any slight mistake in protocol handling can have the worker/medic infected and become a patient. They are risking themselves for others, getting into this danger all the time.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/coronavirus-us-ventilators-new-york-trump-touts-unproven-cure-malaria-drug

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every word that Trump issued seemed like speculation to me..

Controversy is good as long as we respect differing opinion, and not personally attack in every post.  

I started getting the flu virus vaccine two years ago.  Last year I don't think I could have gotten the flu with all the meds I was on,  but this year nothing as well.

The flu vaccine works differently for everyone - I happen to have a very strong immune system.  

Edit: change virus to vaccine. 

It has been suggested for a very long time now that if you’re stepping outside your home you should wear a mask for your own safety, but Trump has decided that he’ll not wear a mask which is weird in my opinion as that’ll send a wrong message to his followers. Furthermore he surprised the world by admitting that he’ll take the anti malaria medicine if cleared by his doctors, and I now worry about his health as why would a healthy person require medicine unless he has some symptoms for which he needs those meds. Now I know I’m creating controversy but ask yourself if you’re healthy would you take meds, however if you see any symptoms of illness you take it as a precaution and that’s the case with Trump don’t you’ll agree?.

Sources:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/02/coronavirus-cloth-masks-recommendation/

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/its-only-a-recommendation-trump-wont-wear-mask-even-though-cdc-says-it-can-stop-covid-19-spread

https://7news.com.au/news/health/trump-says-he-may-take-anti-malaria-drug-c-957211