Topic: Trump: safe zones for syria; imminent us-russian war? (Read 3288 times)

I don't know about the Russians, but it is crystal clear that Clinton received massive support from the 'Davos Man' types that I alluded to.  Thankfully it was not enough.  McCain, along with Ryan, are also recently rumored to have been a beneficiary of support originating from Soros-land.  That would explain a lot.  Notably both Clinton and McCain are finally permanently and irreparably damaged here in the U.S., but it sure took a while!

If the disruptive Russian politicians you mention are similarly corrupted, hopefully they'll be identified and run out on a rail as well.  Especially if the growth of citizen-driven information gathering and analytical thesis can persist.  That will be an area of conflict going forward I think, and I think there is a fair chance that 'we' will win this struggle.  Or at least have enough 'surges' to stay in the fight.

As far as I can see, most of the rivalry between Russia and the United States is caused as a result of inflammatory rhetoric from the politicians from both sides. I am not just referring to the American politicians such as John McCain and Hillary Clinton, but also to the Russian extremists, such as Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Alexander Belov.

I understand, but it is relatively new concept and I think in future price will be lower. I hope so.

If Russia and the U.S. both have the goal of remaining sovereign and independent nations (or re-achieving that mode as the case may be) then they do have interests which coincide.  If there are 'Davos Man' type people and groups who seek to integrate the two nations...or get them to mutually destroy one another for strategic reasons...then the two nations might recognize a common enemy.

Well.... don't use the word "never". Always there will be some sector, in which two persons can have joint interests. For example, both Trump and Putin are interested in the eradication of the ISIS. So for now, they can simply ignore the issues in which they are against each other, and concentrate on these issues.

Never Trump and Putin do not get along with each other. America's interests do not coincide with the interests of Russia. How tiger can get along with the kid? It is not possible. Russia is an enemy of America.

Trump and Putin going to get along fine.

Hillary Clinton is not in God agenda for united states of American(usa). Donald Trump is getting it right with the Russian because God is behind him. Putin keep on saying something that the world keep turning their ears against, he said " IsIs is been funding by 40 countries and some of those countries are G20 members. Trump is seen the elites as the major curses of the problems the world is facing today and those elites are benefiting from chaos around the world including Syria.

To me 'safe zones' means exactly 'Kurdistan' that has been in planning and implementation phase as part of 'A Better Middle East' from the early GW Bush timeframe.  If Trump goes through with it (rather than getting us the fuck out of the Middle East and 'foreign entanglements' generally) it will tell me quite clearly that at least in this way he is in lock step with the Cheney -> Obama -> Clinton  long-term plan.  And I won't be a happy camper about it.

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An interesting dynamic here is that Russia and Iran are natural adversaries.  They both have fossil fuel supplies for Europe.  Russia's interest is to NOT have pipelines which will compete with their own (meaning they exercise an element of control over those which do cross Syria (or the 'safe zones' which used to be part of Syria.)  Iran would probably not be broken-hearted to see us and Russia slugging it out somewhere.  Russia would not be broken-hearted to see us bombing the shit out of Iran...and, of course, we're nearly under direct orders from Israel to do just that.  All of us would be lucky to come out of any such conflicts without big chunks of the world being vaporized.

As far as I'm concerned, we've got enough fossil fuel right here at home to MAGA thanks to fracking and such.  And plenty to focus on in doing so.  I would like to get the fuck out of the M.E. and forget that the place exists.  If Russia wants to leverage their friendship with Syria and gouge Europe for gas, that's fine with me.  The EU has already fatally fucked Europe up already and in the process taught us all a valuable lesson in the dangers of 'globalism' and what the Technocracy has in store for the planet.

As for Israel/Iran, as far as I'm concerned there is only one country that SHOULD get nukes and that is Iran.  After the decades of very serious threats they've had lobed at them, mostly driven by Israel, they sorely need a way to defend themselves.  The only risk I see to Israel who already have 100's of nukes is that their Zionist 'greater Israel' dreams may be dealt a blow and they won't be able to expand their genocide.  Oh well.  Not my problem.  If a bunch of the Zionists in this country (e.g., Chuck Schumer) go down to Pedogate and Israeli control of our government/media/monetary_system/etc loses it's punch as their compromised puppets in our govt get rolled up, fantastic!  Jeff Sessions as AG just happened and there is a very real chance that this could happen.  Maybe even starting tomorrow!

I personally feel that the safe-zones are for the better of the people in the country of Syria, the people know that there is a crisis ongoing and that it is completely necessary to safeguard the innocent citizens in such a horrible war.


Do you really believe Trump is an idiot though if he was elected President of the United States? This is someone who fought off the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the News Establishments, Celebrities, and so on to get to where he is today. I would go ahead and say Trump is far from idiotic, something big is being planned to save Syria I fully trust Donald Trump in regard to that.

Also I highly doubt with all the scrutiny from the media he'll be as flip flopity as he was on the campaign trail, at least he's not that pancake Mitt Romney right?

Stop with the conspiracy theories. All tech when released comes with prohibitive prices, remember an LCD to cost near 5K?
But other brands are jumping in, still a bit too expensive, but you've Nissan Leaf, BMW i3 and i8, Renault ZOE... actually BMW is trying to end non-electric cars by the next decade.

But, yeah, so far is just for rich people. Not only you need a load of money but also you need a house to support the car. How can you recharge it if you live on a flat?

The Tesla cars also cost so much more than regular cars. Plus if you want to buy one you have to pre-order and wait for it to be built. I think this is by design and the only way the big oil companies will allow Tesla to make electric cars. More expensive and only available to people who already have a car and can throw another 80K at a new car while they wait for a year to get it.. Rich people..

Want to upset you. Tesla is not a perfect car. It is expensive, the cost of a ride this car is not cheaper than driving a traditional internal combustion engine. Until I see real electric vehicles that can compete with traditional cars.

I was always surprised why we still don't drive electro cars, seems like huge oil corporations prevented development of vehicles like these. I want to believe that Tesla cars are our future, they're not harmful for environment and not expensive in charging. I support the philosophy of harmonious world development ( http://planetaryproject.com/planet_project/philosophy/ ) without contaminating the world we live in.

I do not own a battery manufactory or researcher... and they don't want to make it OpenSource. 

I agree. But I do not see anyone led the development of batteries which would not be very costly and rapidly recharged. Where such development? It seems to me that you need not to wait but to help.

But may bold claims are still unproved.
Tesla cars autonomy, despite being outstanding to concurrence, aren't that impressive... and where do you think they take energy to their power chargers? let's give time to time, instead of using fallacies, right?

However, as far as I know their project Tesla is developing very successfully and at the moment their car can do in the city without gasoline and diesel fuel. Moreover, their cars have good characteristics. Maybe there not lying?

Have him show the power production in Watts, his company is filled up with bold claims that remain unproved.
Salesman speech can be motivative, but doesn't prove a thing.

I saw Elon musk showed the shingles which cover the roof and it produces so much energy that the house does not require additional connection to the power source. Is this ceramic tile cheaper.

No, it's not just the industry that needs nuclear power. An apartment lot cannot produce energy enough to be self-sustainable, and in houses, you need to be a millionaire to can have one with a yard enough to it.
Now, add the vehicles in the street. How many are they? No solar, wind, tide or whatever can produce enough for it!
It doesn't mean the "green energy" sources must be wasted. If they can prevent one or two reactors that's already a good thing. Just clearly not enough.

Nuclear energy is the only real renewable energy. But then, it is almost impossible to manufacture portable nuclear reactors, which can be used to run vehicles such as cars and trucks. Anyway... can't say how the science will advance in the future.

I'm afraid that actions Trump will be the same stupid and predictable as his word. Who wants to do an experiment like this stupid politician like Trump. It seems to me that in addition to the troubles it would bring nothing.

It seems to me that Trump idiot. Putin is the only one who is nice to him. He likes it and he doesn't understand what makes a bargain with the enemy of America and betraying its interests.

Trump spoke about safe zones obviously because he does not want Syrian immigrants to travel  in America. As has been shown so far, Trump is one unpredictable man, where nobody knows what he intends to do. But he has already talked with Russians as Moscow has acknowledged, therefore he knows their views. He doesn't even care what wants the American system, nor what Erdogan wants, but only what he wants. About the issue of Syria is clear, he wants to destroy the jihadist terrorists in cooperation with Russia (and obviously Assad). Also he has said he does not want changes in leadership in other countries. Eventually he has said at times a lot of conflicting statements, so let's wait for his actions.

Nuclear power plants are already many in the world. I think that you need all the houses and vehicles to convert to alternative energy sources, and in industry where you need a lot of energy while the use of nuclear power.

I see many BMW i3 and i8, Tesla, Nissan Leaf, Renault ZOE and other electric vehicles around.
It's true however that only nuclear can provide power enough for replace oil. The "green energies" doesn't produce enough.

But, yes, oil is near the end of its life, like coal before it.

You are wrong! In the world there is not one large automobile Corporation which is not engaged in the development of the electric vehicle. Elon Musk presented house, which is fully independent from the energy source.

There was no mass introduction of alternate energy, when crude was trading at $100-120 levels for almost 4-5 years. That is why I think that even if crude touches the $300 per barrel mark, there will be no replacement of it.

As the Arabs and Russians make the same mistake. They want oil was very expensive. The more expensive the oil, the better to introduce alternative sources of energy. Then there's no turning back.

Also, I don't think that the shale oil will continue to flow in the United States forever. Within a few years, most of the formations are going to get depleted. If that happens, then I am afraid that the crude is going to touch $300 per barrel.

It's never the "same supply."

That's unrelated to Syria anyway... Russia will not engage USA for force it to buy oil from them, they will take the hit and surf the new advantage on China. American companies can get out from there, but they already leave their technology behind, a hit that will take a decade for US to recover.

You forgot to say that very much the price of oil depends on the demand of China. If Trump did not stop their attempts to cut trade relations with China and withdraw from there to American businesses, the demand for oil will fall in any case.

Think about it again.
The US imports 25% of their oil.
This 25% will not be needed anymore. Who is gonny buy it now?
Same supply, less demand what do you think happens in the aftermath?

We will see 20$ per barrel again and that would directly translate into a bankruptcy of russia.

Like did you already forgot what happened since 2014?!

Do in Afghanistan was a mistake of the us military and they bombed the hospital. But the Americans admitted it and it was an accident. Russian purposefully bombing hospitals and do not recognize it.

The USA becoming energy independant or moving in that direction will not put putin on the brink of bankruptcy.  World energy prices are NOT controlled by the USA.  Or by Putin for that matter.

Where is Russia fighting against the Americans in Syria? The Russians and the Americans are both supporting the Kurdish YPG, which is fighting against the ISIS. And don't forget the Americans bombing hospitals in Afghanistan, killing dozens of civilians.

US wont need it.
Trump jusr declared that the US will be energy (oil) independent in his term.
He wants to increase US production by some million barrels per day and enact a import tariff for foreign oil.
The first steps are already done with the new pipelines and free drilling on public land.

How can there be peace if this decision will bring putin and russia on the brink of bankruptcy?

What interests?! Why would US' interests conflict with Russian at Syria? Obama's "friend" and ISIS leader, Erdogan*, may be interested into get Syria to restart his Ottoman Empire, but this doesn't mean Trump will play along.
As for oil, Russians and Americans can cut it 50-50.

* Won't you find strange his priorities to be 1st eliminate PKK (Curds), 2nd Assad and "finally" 3rd ISIS/Daesh... Also FSA was trained at Turkey and most just changed allegiance on arrival to ISIS.

putin knew for fact Obama was idiot

Now he has to deal with trump

The cooperation of Trump and Putin can neither good cause. How can they lead to peace in Syria, if the interests of their opposite. No, I think it is a utopia born of a diseased imagination of Putin. Putin considers Trump an idiot. Therefore, offers cooperation.

I think that Trump and Putin together can put a stop to the utter nonsense of the tragedy in Syria.

Trump said he would. 

Hitlery pretty much said she would expand it, fighting the Evil Russia.

In Syria, the Russian bombing of the city. They are not fighting ISIS. We saw Russian gave ISIS Palmyra and left there a lot of weapons. Even tanks! You want to say it was an accident?

Unfortunately neither you nor I can say that Russian is not bombing Syrian cities and there not killed civilians. You for your posts, use the official information of Russian mass Media and who believes them?

Everyone insist to talk on this as if Trump's idea was to shelter terrorists at that safe zone!
Neither Russians, Iranians or Syrians are fighting civilians, and that's what a safe zone is for.

About Obama's... well... the Russians were way patient!

Like an Apache escorting ISIS convoys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jQRqU-KAcM

Supplies to the facade "FSA" ending up with ISIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9k9HbHMZqg

A second hand Texan pick-up ending with them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ojLvxXLKo

Supply crates falling "by mistake" at ISIS controlled territory, and so on, and so on...
Actually since Russians put boots on the ground ISIS keeps loosing territory after territory, now if Trump keeps to his word, it may be finally the end of that thing.

You are mistaken. Look at the current scenario. Last month, more than 90% of the Russian airstrikes were directed against the ISIS. The SAA-Russian-Iranian alliance is advancing against the ISIS in several fronts. These include Northeast Aleppo (Al Bab), Southeast Aleppo (Deir Hefer), Central Desert (Palmyra), Eastern Desert (Deir Ezzor), and Tabqa.

I think that Syria could start world war 3. This is much worse than America's war with Russia. In Syria crossed the interests of many States. Russia felt America's weakness and is now trying to capture more territories.

You are not right. Russia is not at war with ISIS. They are fighting only the Americans. And the fact that it is very slow, it is because the Americans did not destroy the whole city to kill 100 bandits.

Not true! Russia has never fought in Syria with ISIS. Russia is interested that Syria will never have peace. Now media say that the Assad stroke. If this is true then it can greatly complicate Russia's position in Syria. Then they need ISIS.

At least in Syria, the Russians are fighting against the ISIS. They are not bombing the other rebel formations. And moreover, they are helping anyone who is waging a war against the ISIS. This includes the Kurdish YPG in addition to the Syrian Army.

   You are confused! Assad is legit president of Syria, and Russia support Syria and Assad, they are bombing rebellion forces, as we know rebel forces are ISIS. From your point of view US is directly allied with terrorists?
   As I followed news in one moment Russia suggested to US to fight together against rebels and ISIS, US refused that, why?
   Cold war ended 1991, at least that was official announcement, looks like it wasnt end for US, from that time until now US is manipulate with governments, régimes, CIA is working 24\7, and they made a mess where ever that lay their foot.

The same can be said about Russia. What Russia is doing in Syria? The Russians have always supported and support any side that is against America. This is the reason why Russia is bombing Syria and supports Assad.

Very good point indeed. But I would even go further.

USA is trying to threaten both Russia and China. They're just in the middle saying "care folks, don't think too much about becoming friends or I'll reap all of you". That's something terrible, we should just tell them to go fuck themselves. Americans...

   Its not about Trump here, its the USA. And what USA wish in Syria? Why USA needs some military base there? USA is trying to surround Russia, USA is in Ukraine, and some EU countries on Russian borders. Thats why USA is in Asia, and now its clear what is USA is doing for years. Why do USA needs all this, well war industry needs to work, its all about money and power.

Nothing to discuss man.

Hillary wants to make that: OMG it's WW3 coming! Don't vote for her she wants war with russia omg doom omg end of the world

Trump actually does it: Nah he's got a bigger plan, it's ok. He's a strategist, there is a whole strategy to stabilize this part of the world.

And Trump supporters call us "illogical libtards" xD

Safe zone in Syria is indeed makes the relationship between the US and Russia heats up. Because the safety zone requires protection of ground troops is something that may not be approved by the Syrian government and its supporters, Moscow and Tehran. Not easy to do this, there should be diplomacy and this would be the length can even continue occurrence of war.

Turkey should be kicked out of the NATO and it should be replaced with Kurdistan. Why is a backstabber like Turkey remaining in the NATO? Along with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Turkey remains one of the top sponsors of the ISIS.

Turkey is a NATO member who willingly hosted vast numbers of these 'immigrants'.  Seems that they mostly volunteered their land as a staging and sorting area, and training ground, to inject them and their gear into other countries for strategic operations.  Some went to Europe and others to Syria and Iraq.  Turkish troops have also entered Syria and Iraq and as far as I know, are still there.

Seems to me that an appropriate 'safe zone' would be the Kurdish areas of Turkey more than anything.  If it meant kicking Turkey out of NATO first that would be 'oh soooo sad.'

Jordan also volunteered some of their territory for use by the CIA/Mosad as they enlisted jihadis from all over the area.  IIRC, in one of the wikileaks mails Hillary herself said that it was impossible or unfair for Jordan to take these people because they were 'impossible to vet'.  So I guess they have to go to Germany and Sweden instead.

I cannot say that I am terribly disappointed that Trump plans to vet them properly before they come to the U.S..

Most of use are always thinking that President Trump of United states have an evil side. For me, I think, this is not that kind of evil side, but it is like how he manage or rule the United States. We see how he is criticizing everyone or every country, this how he manage as president. We do not know what is his plans, ideas and knowledge on how he can handle or manage as president of the United States

Most of the FSA groups have defected either to the ISIS, or towards the Jabhat Al Nusra (Syrian branch of the Al Qaeda). And the worst part is that when they defected, they took their American-supplied weapons with them.

I didn't said Obama created ISIS, but FSA and similar groups.

Trump will create safe zones in the Raqqa province, which is mostly controlled by the ISIS and Turkey. These zones will be located on the Turkish border. Millions of refugees will be hosted there, and the European migrant crisis will be resolved.

How can you be so sure that ISIS was created by Obama? Why not Putin? Or, for example, both can use ISIS for their own purposes. It seems to me that Trump provokes a war in the middle East without realizing the consequences.

Prophets of Apocalypse... as always.
Hey, don't even think you're new around, this has been like this since antiquity, way before the Bible or the Jews.
He didn't say he wanted to create safe zones for ISIS, Al-Nusra or the other Obama-planted terrorist groups there.

California will never become Mexican territory. I even doubt that California will leave the structure of America, but the crisis can push politicians to impeachment Trump. I hope it will happen soon.

No country is going to give up land that easily,especially the united states, so don’t hold your breath waiting for California to become Mexican territory again.

Thanks. The only thing he can do that would be good for all Americans is lowering taxes across the board - which he's said (many times) that he'll do and I have no doubt he'll follow through. The Republicans own the government and they all want lower taxes. The best part is that lower taxes will actually help Americans and the economy. More money in pockets (usually) ends up getting spent (not saved). And spending is what gets an economy to grow...it's the engine of capitalism.

Agree.  Biggest Trump mistake so far unless he's working a deeper plan which is possible so I'll wait and see.  We should get the fuck out of Syria and forget that the place ever existed.

Now in Mexico the policy might make sense.  A farther looking policy would be to make Southern CA the 'sanctuary' zone where all illegals go, then 'make it Mexico again.'  The whole place is a nothing but trouble.  No water and mostly inhabited by brain-dead freaks.  Why waste the energy trying to turn it around when failure is a near certainty?

I didn't blame that you hate Trump decisions.He make some regulations than can favor to America but I think his regulations is not will be favor to the non American living in USA like the Green card regulations that he announced.

Trump is an idiot. Trump is full of shit. Trump is just another politician.

He uses incorrect facts when trying to justify his actions, which is ridiculous because he doesn't actually need much justification...he's President. Yet he confirms his low intelligence when he cites facts incorrectly to support his crazy ideas. He said he was going to change things yet he continues to do the same shit that other politicians have done.

Whatever he promises or proposes today could very well be the opposite tomorrow.

they will meet when they control those war-torn countries

Trump's First Big Mistake







Read more at http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/01/26/trumps-first-big-mistake/.

I see this happening is only a kind of two people who were taking sympathy from syria, to create a scenario as if they had been enemies. The goal remains the same, just want to colonize the country as a whole. there is always a political deal about what is happening.

In business we recognize this term as a monopoly.

I think they will meet at some middle point

Trump wants to create safe zones in syria which directly means that the US will have to create no fly zones and send in ground forces.
Putin already answered that russia will in no way accept a no fly zone.

This is the exact thing why people didnt wanted to vote hillary.
Trump seems to do it now.

Discuss.