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Quote from: BADecker on September 05, 2019, 12:09:27 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on September 05, 2019, 10:36:03 AM

Ideas like this can only come from Trump and no one else.
He clearly does not understand how international relations work today.
The borders were last changed in Europe after World War II, 1945.
As far as I remember, the last a piece of territory America bought (from Russia) was Alaska in 1867, it seems to me, more than 150 years ago.
Obviously Trump needs a history lesson.

Trump has advisers who are making things known to him. This is one of the reasons he changes his mind so often. He is learning from his advisors, to say nothing about his opponents changing the playing field all the time.

There are many borders that are changing all the time, although many haven't changed since WW2. Consider Thrace. Thrace has not existed for hundreds of years according to the historical and government books. But Thracians still cling to their heritage as Thracians, even though they are being integrated with other cultures.

Things change... even borders.

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This is true, but it used to be the standard for borders to be changed by force, in war, and now it is settled peacefully, through negotiations.
200 years ago Trump would not have to ask anything, he would send army and declare that the area belong to America, but now we live by other standards and rules.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 15, 2019, 09:27:55 PM

Random information out of left field, but I don't think the White House has commented on it.

Trump is thinking about purchasing Greenland. He's been floating the idea with WH legal counsel, and different aides in the WH to see if this is something he can do. Unknown on if he is really seriousness about this, but it's something that has without a doubt been talked about.

Unknown on why: Past the fact that Greenland has a large amount of natural resources, but I can't see something like this actually coming to fruition. I'd love to see what people think about this.

cnbc dot com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

We have to remember Mr. Trump's career before he became the President. He was a real estate mogul and a master showman. As funny as it sounds, Trump announced this to test how the environment would react. Sometimes, this bluff plays to his advantage as the real players take notice and begin to make their moves.

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Yet Trump’s interest in Greenland is just the latest indication of the island’s increasing geopolitical importance. It is even drawing the eye of China.
Greenland’s growing strategic value is linked tightly to new North Atlantic shipping lanes opening up due to melting polar ice caps. Its largely ice-capped land mass is also rich in untapped natural resources.

In truth, the idea is not really all that absurd if we factor out other components such as Greenland's population of 57,000 - which is actually very small when compared even to small US cities.

As a real estate person, Trump knows that location is everything in business - and in a macro sense- the economy. By "floating" a seemingly "absurd" or "naive" idea, he may have nudged the US' competitors China, Russia and others. From this we can see, that Trump actually believes in climate change!

Oh wow, I just got that idea now. Yes, yes! Trump believes in Climate change but is lying about it:

"Greenland’s growing strategic value is linked tightly to new North Atlantic shipping lanes opening up due to melting polar ice caps"

So, in anticipation of the polar caps melting and the opening of new shipping lanes, there is much money to be made especially when you have exclusivity in its maritime waters.

“He who controls the spice controls the universe.” ― Frank Herbert, Dune.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 05, 2019, 10:36:03 AM

Ideas like this can only come from Trump and no one else.
He clearly does not understand how international relations work today.
The borders were last changed in Europe after World War II, 1945.
As far as I remember, the last a piece of territory America bought (from Russia) was Alaska in 1867, it seems to me, more than 150 years ago.
Obviously Trump needs a history lesson.

Trump has advisers who are making things known to him. This is one of the reasons he changes his mind so often. He is learning from his advisors, to say nothing about his opponents changing the playing field all the time.

There are many borders that are changing all the time, although many haven't changed since WW2. Consider Thrace. Thrace has not existed for hundreds of years according to the historical and government books. But Thracians still cling to their heritage as Thracians, even though they are being integrated with other cultures.

Things change... even borders.

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Ideas like this can only come from Trump and no one else.
He clearly does not understand how international relations work today.
The borders were last changed in Europe after World War II, 1945.
As far as I remember, the last a piece of territory America bought (from Russia) was Alaska in 1867, it seems to me, more than 150 years ago.
Obviously Trump needs a history lesson.

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Quote from: GlobalPokerSites on September 04, 2019, 03:58:07 PM

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/conan-travels-greenland-investigate-local-interest-trump-1236538

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyMKA4d35dg

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/conan-travels-greenland-investigate-local-interest-trump-1236538

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I believe what Trump said is just a political stunt,he did that to serve as an excuse not to travel to Norway because Obama is also visiting at that period which h might affect his upcoming election.politics

Green land is very important to the us because the United State military has some important equipment there,

Russia and the United State also have military equipment in green land,so if the United State buys it it will be there own and Russia could be expel

Donald Trump's is a real estate manager he may have some interest in aquiring green land to build some houses

Green land have a lot of mineral resources,which can be of benefit to the United state

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^^^ China built those 20 empty cities. Maybe they would take 2 more. After all, some of those SE Asian nations use human excrement as fertilizer.

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I would like to see Greenland bought with money from the sale of San Francisco and Oakland.

But I am not sure if anyone would want them.

Maybe Cuba?

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Quote from: Artemis3 on August 25, 2019, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: DigitalAssetInvestor1 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:53 AM

He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

Mr Trump would like a new golf course and hotel in exotic places, so this would fit point 3. Also with weather patterns changing, Greenland might actually become green (rather than white) so its like a long term investment. Perhaps it would become associated state like Puerto Rico, no voting in congress.

That's a two mile thick slab of ice, millions of square miles of it.

Don't the ice. We could bottle that water up and sell it.

And all they have to do is pump oxygen into the methane under the ice, and ignite it... to melt the ice for bottling. If they run out of methane, maybe they can buy Iceland, and use the methane under it.

Just think. All that CO2 that will be produced, will make its way down to Brazil, and will replenish the jungles they are burning down there.

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Quote from: Artemis3 on August 25, 2019, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: DigitalAssetInvestor1 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:53 AM

He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

Mr Trump would like a new golf course and hotel in exotic places, so this would fit point 3. Also with weather patterns changing, Greenland might actually become green (rather than white) so its like a long term investment. Perhaps it would become associated state like Puerto Rico, no voting in congress.

That's a two mile thick slab of ice, millions of square miles of it.

Don't the ice. We could bottle that water up and sell it.

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Quote from: DigitalAssetInvestor1 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:53 AM

He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

Mr Trump would like a new golf course and hotel in exotic places, so this would fit point 3. Also with weather patterns changing, Greenland might actually become green (rather than white) so its like a long term investment. Perhaps it would become associated state like Puerto Rico, no voting in congress.

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^^^ Sounds like a good deal. We should start a holding company that buys Greenland first. We can sell it for more, later, to Trump or whoever. If we can't find a buyer, we have the benefits listed above for ourselves.

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He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

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Extremely unlikely that the sell will happen.

Several posters mentioned the economic and geo-political implications if the US owns greenland - all this is also in the interest of the EU and thus im quite sure that neither denmark nor the EU will support this.

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Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 02:44:00 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Something like 90% of the Greenland population belongs to indigenous people

just like the early US population? if they learn from history... better stay away

I think Hawaii would make a better example.

Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 02:44:00 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Greenland is abundant in minerals.

ofc, that's what really matters. stuff, not the people.

I disagree. While those minerals are important, and the ability to claim more Arctic land like Russia has been doing would also be important, it is clear the motivations here are related to the military.

Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 02:44:00 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Ask indigenous people in Alaska would they rather be part of Russia, instead United States.

ask if they would like to be part of Denmark.

Ask Denmark if they want to continue paying hundreds of millions of dollars annually to support far away lands. The citizens don't get a vote.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on August 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM

I don't know if he's serious but other powers are definitely going to try to sabotage this even if Denmark is willing to sell. It is actually a pretty good move though. The seas are warming and within a few decades we'd have an Arctic that is navigable even during winter.

Having bases in Greenland would be a good check against Russia, which would no longer be as restricted navy-wise like it is today (one reason for annexing Crimea is access to a warm sea port). China is also expected to take advantage of an all-season Northwest Passage for shipping to the Americas and the US controlling Greenland would give them the capacity to choke these trade routes if needed.

If USA is going to do it, it must be through high level negotiations. Nothing is impossible nor beyond reach for the world super-power. All it will take is the use of leverages against Denmark, and at the same time, offer them good incentives. In the end, it'll come down to referendum where the Greenland citizens may be asked to choose between becoming part of the United States of America or remain as Denmark territory. There's absolutely no question which direction the citizens will choose.

What leverage does the US have over Denmark that it would be willing to exchange territory for money? Unlike with Russia the Danish aren't currently experiencing any major economic problems. Well aside from the ticking time bomb from their immigrant quota. Grin

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United States already have base on Greenland, it is there since 1943, Thule Air Base

Yes but we never know how things would change with the Danish government. The US also had bases in the Philippines since from the time it was their colony but after a revolution there in the 80s they got kicked out (not that the country invited them decades later for exercises without the hassle of maintaining bases Grin

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Quote from: TheWolf666 on August 21, 2019, 10:55:41 AM

Next in his mind:
Buying Hong Kong... they need help!
Buying Taiwan... they need help!
Buying Venezuela ... they need help!
Buying Cuba... they need help!

and Buying the WORLD.

That's the Trumpzilla syndrome!

To buy and sell some thing is by its nature a voluntary transaction. The USA would only buy Greenland if at least Denmark agreed to the terms. Obviously none of those other nations would agree to be bought at any price, even if they had enough value to be purchased to begin with. Impressive visual with the Trumpzilla and all though, too bad your argument is hollow.

Obviously this is the thing that people miss. Greenland is never going to be sold to the US -- even more so now, due to the fact that Denmark has just cancelled a meeting with President Trump -- which I assume was going to be regarding the topic in question.

Buying and selling land is a bit of an issue if there are people living there.

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Thule air base is an important early warning base for the US. Maybe he is concerned that with the waning popularity of the bellicose policies of Washington, the US will be chucked out in the near future.

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Quote from: TheWolf666 on August 21, 2019, 10:55:41 AM

Next in his mind:
Buying Hong Kong... they need help!
Buying Taiwan... they need help!
Buying Venezuela ... they need help!
Buying Cuba... they need help!

and Buying the WORLD.

That's the Trumpzilla syndrome!

To buy and sell some thing is by its nature a voluntary transaction. The USA would only buy Greenland if at least Denmark agreed to the terms. Obviously none of those other nations would agree to be bought at any price, even if they had enough value to be purchased to begin with. Impressive visual with the Trumpzilla and all though, too bad your argument is hollow.

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Next in his mind:
Buying Hong Kong... they need help!
Buying Taiwan... they need help!
Buying Venezuela ... they need help!
Buying Cuba... they need help!

and Buying the WORLD.

That's the Trumpzilla syndrome!

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interesting that this coincides with Danish banks offering negative interest rates on mortgages (which is pretty much guaranteed to cause the Danish Kroner to go the way of the Venezuelan bolivar, the Danish real estate market there will be on fire once enough property speculators discover this is happening)

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If Trump is a good enough President over here, Greenland owners might voluntarily sell Greenland to him when he gets out of office. And, being a billionaire, he just might be able to afford it. They might even like him so much that they will sell cheap.

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I doubt it will happen but if does, it'll be a nice purchases. Someone already mentioned the strategic advantage of controlling Greenland on a warm Arctic but there's more to it. The warming climate will make it easier to extract hydrocarbons from the Arctic and guess what, if you have a shore there, you get rights to prospect. It's all 'bout that oil again y'all. Grin

As for the land, most of it is covered with glaciers so I don't know what to do with that but who knows, maybe the climate would change so drastically it all becomes farmable. The island's larger than Alaska.

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The trick is to make Greenland owners - whoever they are - to think that the money being paid is worth the paper it is printed on.

If Trump is going to buy Greenland, he had better do it now. The FED can crash at any moment, making Bitcoin or gold the new world money.

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Quote from: yoseph on August 19, 2019, 11:43:19 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 18, 2019, 04:37:53 PM

At first this maybe sounds like a joke or almost impossible thing to do, but when you think about it, it is great idea as United States did similar things before, buying territories from other countries.

In 1805 United States bought Lousiana for $15M from France

In 1867 United States bought Alaska for $7.2M from Russia

In 1917 United States bought Virgin Islands from Denmark for $25 M

In 1946 Harry Truman tried buying Greenland, but that time Denmark didn't accept the offer.

So as we can see, this is perfectly reasonable and smart move by Trump, if he manages to pull this off he will be remembered as one of the most successful presidents in history.

The USA buying Alaska from the Russians is what i will call the best deal ever made in the entire Earth and maybe Trump sees somethig with Greenland which i don't but with his claim that the Island is costing Denmark around $700M in subsidies is something that may change the mind of the Danish government in selling the territory.

And what can top buying Alaska? Buying Greenland!

We all know that history is repeating itself, so this is next logical move to ensure dominance in the decades to come.

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Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 18, 2019, 04:37:53 PM

At first this maybe sounds like a joke or almost impossible thing to do, but when you think about it, it is great idea as United States did similar things before, buying territories from other countries.

In 1805 United States bought Lousiana for $15M from France

In 1867 United States bought Alaska for $7.2M from Russia

In 1917 United States bought Virgin Islands from Denmark for $25 M

In 1946 Harry Truman tried buying Greenland, but that time Denmark didn't accept the offer.

So as we can see, this is perfectly reasonable and smart move by Trump, if he manages to pull this off he will be remembered as one of the most successful presidents in history.

The USA buying Alaska from the Russians is what i will call the best deal ever made in the entire Earth and maybe Trump sees somethig with Greenland which i don't but with his claim that the Island is costing Denmark around $700M in subsidies is something that may change the mind of the Danish government in selling the territory.

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Why instead of buying Greenland buy Michael Jacksons Neverland.

The pros are obvious:
- you dont need to buy visa to travel to Neverland
- yon can use US dollars (wont be losses while changing currency to Danish krone) there
- everyone 100% speaks English
- it is closer than Greenland.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 15, 2019, 09:27:55 PM

Random information out of left field, but I don't think the White House has commented on it.

Trump is thinking about purchasing Greenland. He's been floating the idea with WH legal counsel, and different aides in the WH to see if this is something he can do. Unknown on if he is really seriousness about this, but it's something that has without a doubt been talked about.

Unknown on why: Past the fact that Greenland has a large amount of natural resources, but I can't see something like this actually coming to fruition. I'd love to see what people think about this.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

americans are ridiculous, why not install a puppet government and pay the corrupt head of state in gold or bitcoin which he then can take with him when he flees to the usa after he has stripped his people of their rights

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Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Something like 90% of the Greenland population belongs to indigenous people

just like the early US population? if they learn from history... better stay away

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Greenland is abundant in minerals.

ofc, that's what really matters. stuff, not the people.

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Ask indigenous people in Alaska would they rather be part of Russia, instead United States.

ask if they would like to be part of Denmark.

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 18, 2019, 04:37:53 PM

if he manages to pull this off he will be remembered as one of the most successful presidents in history.

that would make Merica Great

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Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 12:20:39 AM

total nonsense. why in the hell danish citizens would want to become US citizens? Grin

and worse, under trump government? masochism?

Because even though they have Danish citizenship, huge majority don't consider themselves being Danish.Something like 90% of the Greenland population belongs to indigenous people, Greenlandic Inuit. And being part of the United States can only make them more prosperous than they are now, considering Greenland is abundant in minerals.In the long run they can only profit from being part of US.

Ask indigenous people in Alaska would they rather be part of Russia, instead United States.

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total nonsense. why in the hell danish citizens would want to become US citizens? Grin

and worse, under trump government? masochism?

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And to do it, all Trump needs to do is make sure that the Greenland politicians responsible for the transfer, get paid enough under the table.

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At first this maybe sounds like a joke or almost impossible thing to do, but when you think about it, it is great idea as United States did similar things before, buying territories from other countries.

In 1805 United States bought Lousiana for $15M from France

In 1867 United States bought Alaska for $7.2M from Russia

In 1917 United States bought Virgin Islands from Denmark for $25 M

In 1946 Harry Truman tried buying Greenland, but that time Denmark didn't accept the offer.

So as we can see, this is perfectly reasonable and smart move by Trump, if he manages to pull this off he will be remembered as one of the most successful presidents in history.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 17, 2019, 09:25:38 PM

This purchase would give the USA considerably more claim and leverage over the newly exposed natural resources in the Arctic. These claims might be hard for Denmark or Greenland to independently negotiate for and defend, however with the backing of the military might of the US, some kind of share agreement might be maximally beneficial for both parties. It will be somewhat of a hard sell to the native population. I know I wouldn't like it if my nation were sold to another, but if it means more domestic resources, infrastructure, jobs, and government benefits they might see past nationalism.

Free MAGA hats for Greenlanders?

No. I'm sure Trump (and the US) would be happy to give one million $ to each Greenlander so that it could become the 51st state.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 17, 2019, 09:25:38 PM

This purchase would give the USA considerably more claim and leverage over the newly exposed natural resources in the Arctic. These claims might be hard for Denmark or Greenland to independently negotiate for and defend, however with the backing of the military might of the US, some kind of share agreement might be maximally beneficial for both parties. It will be somewhat of a hard sell to the native population. I know I wouldn't like it if my nation were sold to another, but if it means more domestic resources, infrastructure, jobs, and government benefits they might see past nationalism.

Free MAGA hats for Greenlanders?

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This purchase would give the USA considerably more claim and leverage over the newly exposed natural resources in the Arctic. These claims might be hard for Denmark or Greenland to independently negotiate for and defend, however with the backing of the military might of the US, some kind of share agreement might be maximally beneficial for both parties. It will be somewhat of a hard sell to the native population. I know I wouldn't like it if my nation were sold to another, but if it means more domestic resources, infrastructure, jobs, and government benefits they might see past nationalism.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on August 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM

I don't know if he's serious but other powers are definitely going to try to sabotage this even if Denmark is willing to sell. It is actually a pretty good move though. The seas are warming and within a few decades we'd have an Arctic that is navigable even during winter.

Having bases in Greenland would be a good check against Russia, which would no longer be as restricted navy-wise like it is today (one reason for annexing Crimea is access to a warm sea port). China is also expected to take advantage of an all-season Northwest Passage for shipping to the Americas and the US controlling Greenland would give them the capacity to choke these trade routes if needed.

If USA is going to do it, it must be through high level negotiations. Nothing is impossible nor beyond reach for the world super-power. All it will take is the use of leverages against Denmark, and at the same time, offer them good incentives. In the end, it'll come down to referendum where the Greenland citizens may be asked to choose between becoming part of the United States of America or remain as Denmark territory. There's absolutely no question which direction the citizens will choose.

With good offers, Denmark will have nothing to loose selling a vast expanse of empty land they probably may never make solid use of in the next 1000 years. Not as if they are going to become some sort of world power some day in the future and begin to build military bases all over the world like the USA.

If I am part of the White House Team, I will really give it a push before the world becomes even wiser than they are now. Russia would never sell Alaska for 10Trillion if it well to be now. But we got at a mere $8million USD. We can do the same with Greenland before it becomes too late.

Who agrees with me on this? Cheesy

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on August 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM

I don't know if he's serious but other powers are definitely going to try to sabotage this even if Denmark is willing to sell. It is actually a pretty good move though. The seas are warming and within a few decades we'd have an Arctic that is navigable even during winter.

Having bases in Greenland would be a good check against Russia, which would no longer be as restricted navy-wise like it is today (one reason for annexing Crimea is access to a warm sea port). China is also expected to take advantage of an all-season Northwest Passage for shipping to the Americas and the US controlling Greenland would give them the capacity to choke these trade routes if needed.

United States already have base on Greenland, it is there since 1943, Thule Air Base

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 15, 2019, 09:27:55 PM

Random information out of left field, but I don't think the White House has commented on it.

Trump is thinking about purchasing Greenland. He's been floating the idea with WH legal counsel, and different aides in the WH to see if this is something he can do. Unknown on if he is really seriousness about this, but it's something that has without a doubt been talked about.

Unknown on why: Past the fact that Greenland has a large amount of natural resources, but I can't see something like this actually coming to fruition. I'd love to see what people think about this.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on August 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM

I don't know if he's serious but other powers are definitely going to try to sabotage this even if Denmark is willing to sell. It is actually a pretty good move though. The seas are warming and within a few decades we'd have an Arctic that is navigable even during winter.

Having bases in Greenland would be a good check against Russia, which would no longer be as restricted navy-wise like it is today (one reason for annexing Crimea is access to a warm sea port). China is also expected to take advantage of an all-season Northwest Passage for shipping to the Americas and the US controlling Greenland would give them the capacity to choke these trade routes if needed.

When it comes to Trump I wouldn’t be surprised if he was able to buy Greenland, as he has done lots of things which were impossible to achieve eg: winning US presidency elections, the first US president to walk on North Korean soil etc. Then again this move could be made to send a message to China, that if required US will buy Greenland and use it’s resources rather than bend it knee to China for it’s resources. According to this article US has made attempts to buy Greenland in the past too but they failed, and it’s pertinent to note that Trump is visiting Denmark next month it’ll be interesting if he makes an offers to buy Greenland.

Article: https://qz.com/1689017/trumps-idea-of-buying-greenland-is-not-that-crazy/

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I don't know if he's serious but other powers are definitely going to try to sabotage this even if Denmark is willing to sell. It is actually a pretty good move though. The seas are warming and within a few decades we'd have an Arctic that is navigable even during winter.

Having bases in Greenland would be a good check against Russia, which would no longer be as restricted navy-wise like it is today (one reason for annexing Crimea is access to a warm sea port). China is also expected to take advantage of an all-season Northwest Passage for shipping to the Americas and the US controlling Greenland would give them the capacity to choke these trade routes if needed.

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Quote from: Fedice on August 16, 2019, 02:58:05 AM

It was recently that I found out Greenland does not actually belong to the USA. It will be a great achievement if that really happens and I can't doubt the possibility. If Trump and indeed USA is serious about the deal, there are many leverages to use against Denmark and force them to sell. And I really hope that happens.

I still feel some form of regret knowing we once had genuine change at making Canada part of the USA but failed. Canada would have been better off being part of the United States than standing alone. Same with Mexico. Grin

I envisage a scenario and time when Maxico, Canada, and Greenland would become part of the United States of America. Russia and China would have nothing to brag about in terms of land mass.

Without a doubt one of the better funny comments I've seen on here. Major respect for this.

But yeah, we all know this sort of thing has a negative 0 percent chance of actually happening. But it's something to think about, as we haven't seen the legal boundaries presented by a state purchasing land from another state (that already has legal inhabitants, businesses, their own laws, etc) Interesting.

Well, there's zero percent chance because no president has ever thought about it in recent times. Most Canadians sees themselves more as Americans and would vote in any referendum to become the USA.

There is zero percent chance of that happening not because no one thought about it, but because Denmark would never sell it.It is one of the most developed country in the world with with extremely high quality of living( by most lists they are on the top or in a top few) so rest assured they are not shortsighted idiots that would sell something like that.
Also keep in mind that Denmark is in NATO since 1949 and US ally since 1941 when they signed treaty with US and authorized them to defend Greenland against Germany.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 16, 2019, 09:46:36 AM

Quote from: Fedice on August 16, 2019, 02:58:05 AM

It was recently that I found out Greenland does not actually belong to the USA. It will be a great achievement if that really happens and I can't doubt the possibility. If Trump and indeed USA is serious about the deal, there are many leverages to use against Denmark and force them to sell. And I really hope that happens.

I still feel some form of regret knowing we once had genuine change at making Canada part of the USA but failed. Canada would have been better off being part of the United States than standing alone. Same with Mexico. Grin

I envisage a scenario and time when Maxico, Canada, and Greenland would become part of the United States of America. Russia and China would have nothing to brag about in terms of land mass.

Without a doubt one of the better funny comments I've seen on here. Major respect for this.

But yeah, we all know this sort of thing has a negative 0 percent chance of actually happening. But it's something to think about, as we haven't seen the legal boundaries presented by a state purchasing land from another state (that already has legal inhabitants, businesses, their own laws, etc) Interesting.

Well, there's zero percent chance because no president has ever thought about it in recent times. Most Canadians sees themselves more as Americans and would vote in any referendum to become the USA.

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'Oh please God no': Greenland reacts with horror at Trump plan to buy island | The Independent

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Quote from: Fedice on August 16, 2019, 02:58:05 AM

It was recently that I found out Greenland does not actually belong to the USA. It will be a great achievement if that really happens and I can't doubt the possibility. If Trump and indeed USA is serious about the deal, there are many leverages to use against Denmark and force them to sell. And I really hope that happens.

I still feel some form of regret knowing we once had genuine change at making Canada part of the USA but failed. Canada would have been better off being part of the United States than standing alone. Same with Mexico. Grin

I envisage a scenario and time when Maxico, Canada, and Greenland would become part of the United States of America. Russia and China would have nothing to brag about in terms of land mass.

Without a doubt one of the better funny comments I've seen on here. Major respect for this.

But yeah, we all know this sort of thing has a negative 0 percent chance of actually happening. But it's something to think about, as we haven't seen the legal boundaries presented by a state purchasing land from another state (that already has legal inhabitants, businesses, their own laws, etc) Interesting.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 16, 2019, 06:24:46 AM

Quote from: Fedice on August 16, 2019, 02:58:05 AM

It was recently that I found out Greenland does not actually belong to the USA. It will be a great achievement if that really happens and I can't doubt the possibility. If Trump and indeed USA is serious about the deal, there are many leverages to use against Denmark and force them to sell. And I really hope that happens.

I still feel some form of regret knowing we once had genuine change at making Canada part of the USA but failed. Canada would have been better off being part of the United States than standing alone. Same with Mexico. Grin

I envisage a scenario and time when Maxico, Canada, and Greenland would become part of the United States of America. Russia and China would have nothing to brag about in terms of land mass.

I for one think it would be a great idea for similar reasons its good to have Alaska: strategically and resource-wise. Its sounds cold as fuck over there but maybe after a few decades of global warming more of it will seem pretty inhabitable.

This comment made my day and made me laugh so hard Grin

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Quote from: Fedice on August 16, 2019, 02:58:05 AM

It was recently that I found out Greenland does not actually belong to the USA. It will be a great achievement if that really happens and I can't doubt the possibility. If Trump and indeed USA is serious about the deal, there are many leverages to use against Denmark and force them to sell. And I really hope that happens.

I still feel some form of regret knowing we once had genuine change at making Canada part of the USA but failed. Canada would have been better off being part of the United States than standing alone. Same with Mexico. Grin

I envisage a scenario and time when Maxico, Canada, and Greenland would become part of the United States of America. Russia and China would have nothing to brag about in terms of land mass.

This post was off to a bad start, but really came around in the middle section, and then by the end it reached the status of good post.

I for one think it would be a great idea for similar reasons its good to have Alaska: strategically and resource-wise. Its sounds cold as fuck over there but maybe after a few decades of global warming more of it will seem pretty inhabitable.

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It will be a great achievement if that really happens and I can't doubt the possibility. If Trump and indeed USA is serious about the deal, there are many leverages to use against Denmark and force them to sell. And we really hope that happens.

Some still feel some form of regret knowing America once had genuine chance at making Canada part of the USA but failed. Canada would have been better off being part of the United States than standing alone. Same with Mexico. Grin

So many people envisages a time when Maxico, Canada, and Greenland would become part of the United States of America. Russia and China would then have nothing to brag about in terms of land mass.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 15, 2019, 09:27:55 PM

Random information out of left field, but I don't think the White House has commented on it.

Trump is thinking about purchasing Greenland. He's been floating the idea with WH legal counsel, and different aides in the WH to see if this is something he can do. Unknown on if he is really seriousness about this, but it's something that has without a doubt been talked about.

Unknown on why: Past the fact that Greenland has a large amount of natural resources, but I can't see something like this actually coming to fruition. I'd love to see what people think about this.

[Suspicious link removed]j.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

Whether it is a serious idea or not, i highly doubt that will ever happen.

Then again, it's nothing that hasn't happened before in the past, like when United States bought Alaska from Russian Empire for merely 7.2 million USD back in 1867. It was brilliant move.

But Denmark is serious and developed country (top 10 country by GDP per capita) and they are not as shortsighted as Russians, so no way that they would do that and sell territory with such a potential.

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Random information out of left field, but I don't think the White House has commented on it.

Trump is thinking about purchasing Greenland. He's been floating the idea with WH legal counsel, and different aides in the WH to see if this is something he can do. Unknown on if he is really seriousness about this, but it's something that has without a doubt been talked about.

Unknown on why: Past the fact that Greenland has a large amount of natural resources, but I can't see something like this actually coming to fruition. I'd love to see what people think about this.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

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