Topic: Trump won't punish Saudi crown prince (Read 674 times)

Henry Kissinger and friends set up the 'petro-dollar' system to allow the USD to get off of gold convertibility, and Saudi-Arabia has been exceedingly important since then.  This is true.  The U.S. maintained a linage of Kings to keep the place under control.

A certain other country decided that it was high time to steal Saudi-Arabia for themselves.  Going forward this will allow their country to be a significant hub in the next monetary system when the USD petro-dollar is flushed.  The way to do this was to steal the chain of succession of the Saudi-Arabian monarchy.  That's basically what we saw with the Kushner/MBS love-fest.

Kushner is Chabad-Lubavitch.  His confusion about why 'the people' would have a problem with MBS having his adversaries butchered alive was probably genuine on Kushner's part.

The salient point here is that Trump is clearly acting directly against 'US interests' and directly for Israeli interests in this case, and that's usually what he does.  It's reasonable to wonder if it's partially because of his 'relationship' with Jeffery Epstein.  Other hypothesis about Trump's loyalties are rational as well.  Hard to know exactly what is going on at this point, but it's perfectly clear that Trump is 100% Israeli-firster, and the MBS/Khashoggi affair is just one more example of this.

Most of what has been said in this thread misses the essential realities of this "journalist."

This article pretty much gets it right.

https://spectator.org/what-i-learned-over-lunch-with-the-real-jamal-khashoggi/

The US "empire" is based on an old agreement with Saudi that oil deals have to be conducted in dollars. This enabled the dollar to become the world reserve currency. With pressure from China and Russia to use alternatives to the dollar, it's status is at risk. In order to protect its position, the US has increased its oil production, even thought costs for the US are so high that it has become uneconomic. They need to keep the price as high as possible, and I don't believe that it is a coincidence that the Saudis have reduced output by a similar amount to the US increase. Although Qatar only produces 2% of the OPEC total, their natural gas extraction is about a third, and their leaving OPEC is going to be another destabilising factor,

One never really knows what goes on behind the scenes in politics, but perhaps there is a link between the reduction in Saudi oil extraction, and the suppression of their human rights abuses.

I won't say anything about our Prime Minister, It's nice to think sometimes before talking..  and Yes, Saudi is very rich country because of oil, so it will be very tough for those leaders!

He really isn't, have you ever wonder why he is focusing too much in making walls towards mexican borders?

It is because he really hate mexican cartels that is why he will just have to protect his ass from the mexicans.

He even threatened Philippines current president which is a real asshole than he is and when trump realizes that one he offered friendly deals.

That will surely happens to saudi

U.S government would never touch or do anything that upsets the Saudi royalty because the Saudis own like a 15% of the U.S  Economy and Saudi Arabia it's full of U.S oil companies so why bother?

Some people do not like him though, or they would not be pushing this story so hard.

Same people that did nothing and did not care with the tens of thousands of atrocities of ISIS.

I think he will never punish him, and moreover, the prince will be more powerful in the future because he's a new approach to build peace in the middle east. Not considering Israel as an ennemy, as well as other gulf countries. Trump and Israel will never find a man like him, who defends their interests.

I understand all that, but the existence of a book is not the same as a centralized power structure. I also understand that some may wish to ARGUE that it is the same.

But in the real world it isn't. In the real world you have imperfect people such as Saudi and Iranian leaders dictating how and what the rules are that people follow and alleging those are the correct readings of the book.

With due respect to your opinion but you are wrong when you used the words " decentralized " and "No definitive power structure" with Islam

Koran = is Centralized and according to Muslims its perfect, there is no space for any improvement not even any sort of discussion. because its word of supreme power Allah told by Mohammad ( he's considered, perfect man )

If by any chance some rational Muslims managed to bring Koran 2.0 version then its blasphemy. But would like to see Koran 2.0 in the future.

Allah = Everything revolves around only Allah and Allah wants complete submission and there is no cheat code in this process. That's why we don't see many ex Muslim publicly comes in the limelight. Even a good amount of ex Muslims do not tell their loved ones about their beliefs.

I agree with your FATWA Logic, but these days Fatwa is not as effective as it used to be.

I do not doubt your intelligence, but we shouldn't use Logical/practical words with Religion IMHO. and skipping "Holy place" point right now. will save it for another time.


If you say so then maybe you are aware of this part of history, but the question is, did we learned any lesson from history? I am not well read person so I may be missing something here and you are free to educate me on this if you want but please keep in mind that I do not believe in conspiracy theory much.
And again please tell me what process you are talking about?

This is how some of the world sees Trump:

https://youtu.be/-6jK_Nzb9HQ

Well, yah. Islam is a decentralized network with no definitive power structure. Any FATWA crap or similar assertion might well be picked up by some small percentage world wide.

Incidentally, I am an atheist but being such have a clear view of many religious concepts.

It is not logical or practical for a religion to view "places as holy."

Of course he wont,saudi  arabia is buying alot of weapons from United States,they wont do whats not in their interest.And afterall, why would US punish saudi prince?

Interesting.

I don't see him bowing like Obama did.

How the rest of the world sees Trump.

I am very curious, how does Trump punish a fellow party, are they not a group? Now there is Trump's good show, see if he has the courage to punish the Saudi royal family! Let us see the hegemonism of the United States.

I am well aware of all these operations and ulterior motives. What you don't understand is the US and Saudi Arabia are not monolithic organizations and there are competing organizations within them working toward different goals. The USA doesn't have a monopoly on corruption, and international criminal organizations do not give a shit about any nation state. The USA is in the process of cutting these groups out, this is what the domestic conflict here is about.

@Spendulus:  I meant to say that if some kind of war happens in the future over any issue.(not on the basis of this killing! sorry for the confusion) Saudi Arabia vs Western country(Christian) or Hindus/Jews. the reason I mentioned religion here because Saudi Arabia has a key to holy places "Mecca and Medina" All they have to do is Shout " Islam is in Danger" and I can bet my life on this when I say this, Muslims around the world go bonkers on this and significant amount of people will join them for this so-called Jihad.



What will America do?

Create another monster? Like Rambo type more Osama Bin Laden. We all know how that road ends, don't we? America 2 Allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. You know what I am talking.


What other enemy?
ISIS ? I am sure you have a good idea about What ISIS is and who created the vacuum in the first place.

Iran ? Who overthrown their democratic gov and installed the Dictator? Even supporting him for almost 27 years just for oil and in the end, Americans surprised that Why they hate the USA. Please google if you have time "operation ajax"


That's why no country likes American's Foreign policy except few (partners in crimes) and consider America a bigger threat to world peace.

Saudi Arabia will get its come comeuppance... right now they are less of an enemy than others and can wait. Others are larger threats and it makes sense to cooperate with them (until it doesn't). OFC murder is horrible, but in the perspective of nation states it is standard operating procedure and par for the course of running any nation state. This move is strategic, and again, they are on "the list" because of their participation in the events of 9/11. They are going to be used then flipped on.

It's really pathetic, though honestly it's a little refreshing to see Trump talk so openly about it. I have little doubt that any of the past several administrations would've done the same thing, but they would've come up with some other excuse than "I know that Saudi Arabia is a murderous, anti-freedom, anti-West, genocidal regime, but we just make so much money selling them weapons, and we need their help to crush third-world-country Iran!"

Let's piss of all religions. Pretty sure they all advertise themselves as the "peaceful" religion.

How dare you blaspheme the religion of peace  

Nope.

No 1.9 billion Muslims will "go bonkers" over this killing because the Koran provides all kinds of reasons and justifications for doing this sort of thing.

Westerners just don't LIKE the overt, in-their-face presence of this savagery and brutality.

>>Saudi Arabia
>>civilized world
wut?

Let's be honest: no one cares about human life or any sanctions when it comes to big business.
Siemens will supply turbines to the Crimea.
Britain will warmly welcome the Russians with their dirty money.
Trump will sell arms to Saudi Arabia.

What specific part of my statement sound bitching to you. care to elaborate? and not a spy but Journalist named " Jamal Khashoggi"

I am just hoping that you are mixing 2 different cases Matthew Hedges (British academic accused in UAE for being a spy for British Govt. and already sentenced to life within 5 mins) and Jamal Khashoggi's (Killed in Istanbul and linked to Saudi's prince) case.

Journalist are spies? Rofl. The way to properly deal with spies isn't private execution; not in the civilized world.

We have public trials; not held in foreign consultants.

And all these bitching over one dead Iranian spy!

How many people do you think he was responsible for killing?

If the world stood up to nations bullying coughexecutingcough their journalist, about half the world's trade would stop.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1065289231977738240


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

I must agree. Saudi Arabia is not enough, "America First" should involve sucking up to at least a half-dozen murderous dictators, like Putin, Duterte, Kim, al-Sissi, Erdogan...

Well, being of the best trade companions of the USA (oil!) apparently lets you do whatever you want.
I doubt America will take any actions in fear of deteriorating or even losing this trade channel.

Saudi Arabia only surviving because it is considered the holiest site for Muslims ( Mecca and Medina) Oil is just cherry on the cake. No country in earth wants 1.9 billion Muslims to go bonkers on this.

Stop persecuting that nice crown prince!

This is probably the only part of any of your posts I’ve read that I actually agree with.

Trump is as dumb as a bag of rocks but what about the rest of the world, why the fuck are they not sanctioning MBS. 

Canada (PM Trudeau) for example said the exact same thing Trump did, "we have a 15 billion dollar light armour vehicle deal with Saudi Arabia so we have to be careful"

Lets at least be realistic Saudi Arabia can pretty much do what they want because the world hates Iran more, sells them arms and buys their oil!

I guess Trump is not as brave as he brags to be.

https://edition[.]cnn[.]com/2018/11/20/politics/trump-saudi-arabia/index.html (remove brackets, doesn't let me post the link)

Apparently if you are a friend of theirs you can torture people especially if you're the rich one

Trump must feel like the crown prince was persecuted by evil journalists