Topic: Trumps threatens to pull out of WHO starts a new debate at home and abroad!!! (Read 155 times)

Trump has the right idea. You can't even see a live virus - a virus moving in a living cell. It's only in 2011 that the first microscope was built that might be able to see a live virus in action.

Since they haven't been able to see a live virus in action, how do they even know what a virus does? It's all guesswork. This pandemic is all guesswork. It exists for reason other than a virus... maybe just to see how the public reacts to a bunch of media hearsay.

Does anybody have more recent info on this microscope and what has been done with it?


World's most powerful optical microscope 'could view live viruses'

africa was always full of people without meaningful existance, arabs call them slaves since centuries, slavery was risky, but smart back then, people back then weren't racialised they followed religions.
if trump fails then all parts of the world fail and we return to dark age. democratic party has to be banned. same with cnn, msnbc etc.

As I said in my original post, I think the problem lies in the fact that the WHO doesn't do what many people expected it to do. I think when people hear the words - World Health Organization - they're expecting this organization to go out and handle investigations by themselves and not just be an intermediary between parties.

Would make the most sense if that was the case, though that would take a LOT of funding AND it would make some countries be hostile to this new WHO for investigating if they're sending out legitimate numbers and all that. Smartest thing to do would make them an independent entity that just does their own thing though.

But ya know -- people will scapegoat either way. WHO is just taking the blame here -- though I do think there is some blame to lay on them.

Like how it is into politics? WHO done what it is supposed to do. All economic and political choices were done by politicians, like closing for example USA borders based on one call from one broker. So blame politicians.
Trump is person who is making a call to random person (based on subscription amount of this person social media) about his beliefs and theories, asking if what he is saying is true, if person answers yes for Trump it is enough, seriously you trust such person?
And in some magic way we have again UK-USA institutions involved into economic and social situation. The ones that make wrong statistical assumptions and wrongly tested virus. Magic.

You want what? WHO to predict future? What do you expect? If WHO would act differently and virus would be actually seriously lethal, then Trump and you would have also full back of claims.


It is intermediary between science centers and governments, those science centers are paid and controlled by governments, those are driven by lobbies. Currently we have obvious situation how to make mistakes in papers so some people and insititutions can make their "big shorts" and longs.

Whole thing is rather on how one can make strategical influence on single persons and small units to shape global situation.

Trump is partially scapegoating here, and he is partially pointing out a real issue. The problem lies in the fact that I don't think the WHO has the ability to self investigate the issues that are going on in different countries. They are simply a mean to exchange and compile information from all of the countries of the world. They help to bring countries together when it comes to medical concerns and joint efforts.

But the question remains: Why dump so much money into the WHO when they're exchange of information is flawed and they're not able to stop a pandemic in its tracks. It either has to be improved, or shut down.

In my earlier post here I had written that Trump is planning to walk out of WHO, but honestly back then I wasn’t expecting him to walk out, but he’s surprised me by officially declaring that US is walking out of WHO.

Furthermore he’s targeting China over various issues, and the most notable one is the law passed by China where they have completely curbed Hong Kong’s citizens powers/rights.

Lastly i feel that he’s right to step up for Hong Kong’s people rights, but escalating trade wars with China during a Pandemic might not be such a good idea too. However what do you’ll think of Trump’s statements is he walking on a dangerous path, or is he taking well calculated risks.



Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/politics/trump-china-announcement/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-china/trump-administration-pushing-to-rip-global-supply-chains-from-china-officials-idUSKBN22G0BZ

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/us-china-xinjiang-forced-labor-intl-hnk/index.html

In one part of this I understand the hatred and anger at the WHO for blindly trusting China and all of that, but the issue lies partially in the fact that the WHO is just a helpful intermediary between countries in sharing information. If a country is lying to the WHO, or is attempting to decive them in some way, I don't think the WHO would have the resources or juridiction to just go into countries and begin their own investigation into what is going on.

Plus ya know, no country is going to let you just roll around their country looking into things they may not want you to know about (wink wink china wink wink)

Do I think the WHO is at fault? Yes, but not fully. The blame should still be on China here, they lied to all and should be punished for that.

I support Trump in this matter.

In my opinion, the WHO is very much into politics, which is categorically unacceptable for this kind of organization.

In fact, if you look at the history of the Coronavirus outbreak in China, it is clear that WHO did not give the correct risk assessments and recommendations for controlling the virus.

what you forget to realise is the west cam into africa hundreds of years ago. and kidnapped africans. meaning africa had less farmers/and owners.
the west took over the land. and bribed african politicians to look away. and advised them to take out international loans so that the political urban area's of africa can grow.
these loans and bribes came with a clause. to allow the west to own land that was owned by natives.

this then caused the disruptions of farmers trying to defend their homes, and caused lots of tensions between the natives vs the politicians. all while the western 'big agri' stood back and picked up the pieces of land after.

many families were moved dozens/hundreds of miles away from their homes and made to resettle in slums because they had no money/material to just build proper infrustructure. and on land thats not fertile. meaning they couldnt farm


here is the thing. oxfam had a propaganda piece of 'give a man a fish he will eat for a day. teath a man to fish he will feed for a lifetime'
here is the thing. africa is not a new race created only decades ago. africa have been around far far far before other nations. way before america was even on the map. so 'teaching' more of a ploy to try to make it seem africa is dumb and the cause of their own situation. where the belief become they are in slums/not farming because they never done it.. but the truth is they ere armers/fishermen. but put into a situation that stops them being successful

africans didnt just decide to make a village that is hours/half a day away from water. they have been displaced purposefully away from wetlands/fertile land

then came the 1980's of oxfam and red cross and UN which needed to be created to appease the natives as a indirect 'sorry for displacing you, here have some rice and a water well'
ofcourse the western 'big agri' didnt want to foot all of the bill. so they turned it into 'charity' /'humanitarian aid' where they ask the general public to contribute.
........
ofcourse when your country is invaded and your home is taken away from you, and your put into a position where you cant work/feed your family your going to get angry.
but to assume the anger came first for no reason and that africa should be happy for the cup of rice they get. is absolutely ignoring the big picture.

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now with all that said. these 'organisations' that meant to help internationally. are not an authority themselves. they are given certain privileges abilities by the countries that they are involved with.

It is not as simple as you paint it at all. You make unfounded generalizations.
Seriously you make it look like Africans have become rich at the expense of the West! Your accusations are baseless and when making a statement like this you should be better backing it with valid data.

A random guy on the internet accusing the UN and WHO. The crap I keep finding online still amaze me.

UN and WHO are completely broken organisations, there is no point holding them, they benefit third world countries and weaken first world countries.

africans got loans blown into their asses one after another and they still insult hate and racially attack forigeners, helping them was completely pointless.

Any other president, yes, I think it would result in a loss of votes. With Trump though, probably not, because anyone who has stuck with him through all the craziness, appalling mismanagement and outright criminal activity so far is unlikely to be swayed by the WHO issue. In fact, this is not even the most contentious of his current activities - it's overshadowed by his attempt to subvert the democratic process in Nevada and Michigan.

Trump is slowly loosing his importance to the world. For an advanced country like US, Trump is not a good leader. He won the election because of his anti-muslim propaganda which makes no sense at all. Yet some Americans think Trump is going to solve all of their problems!

I wouldn't be surprised if US starts growing in a negative trajectory post Covid time. Threatening and war is not a solution- it's beginning of a long term problem!

last month he threatened to pull funding. but already paid that quarterly funding.. so his real threat was to not pay the next quarters money.
he wanted WHO to make reports in his favour that he can use to blame china with
and seems to put a deadline of 30 days (the 2nd quarter due date) for them to lean to his whims or they wont get that money


however WHO is not an authority. it is a advisory. it has no authority to just invade a country/lab and do things
WHO has no legal authority to force countries to supply it with info.

there are cases in america that were where patients died in early january. of 'flu like illness' yet it wasnt until retorospectively looking back recently. that the samples were retested and found that it was covid.
meaning america slipped up and wasnt doing what it pretends china didnt do mid december..
(although there was proof china was doing things mid-late december)

showing even america itself cant even see a new flu like illness and do its own announcements of its own 'patient zero' within the 12 days that china did

trump doesnt realise WHO is an international advisory board and it requires multiple country agreement to authorise new abilities.

i think trump just wants to black mail people to pander to his conspiracy theories

I’m sure that by now you’ll may have already read about Trump’s letter to WHO where he has threatened to pull US out from WHO, which in layman terms mean that he’ll stop their funding, and this letters contents has upset many Democrats and other global political leaders.

Furthermore I’m not expecting him to pull out from WHO, and I believe this to be another political move to attack China as we all saw how the WHO sided with China ever since the Covid19 began.

However if we were to assume a hypothetical scenario where he actually walks the talk and quits WHO, do you’ll think that it could have a negative effect on his votes share?, as Democratic Party will raise this topic that he walked away from WHO when Covid19 was at it’s peak, or the voters won’t care at all about this?.

Source:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/19/us/trump-who-funding-threat-explainer-intl/index.html